Brexit is a great example of allowing an uninformed electorate a vote on incredibly complex economic questions

It's not a question of begging. It means meeting the EU application criteria and convincing 27 individual veto holders to vote in favour of that application.

Food shortages in Spain and France?!!! Is she drunk?

I would like to understand which planet is inhabited by the commentator who talked about people being out enjoying their increased salaries, especially blue-collar workers. She can't be serious. Actually, the scary thing is that maybe she was!

The rift between Brexiter and Remainer is very dip en there are no signs of narrowing. In the EU, they will not allow bickering persons to enter the family.

Brexit has made us worse off? Who’d have thought 😂😂😂

Brexit has made the UK a laughing stock globally. A carousel of prime minsters, every one worse than the one before, doesn't help much either. Humiliation, endlessly.

EU citizen here. Don't beg, there is no need to loose the last bit of respect we have for the UK. Just get rid of the Tories for years to come. Modernize your obsolete class society, your parliamentary and judicial system. Invest in proper independent media and proper public education. Then apply again.

Well done Barbara 💪

The mainstream economists all said around 4% GDP loss. 3 surveys including the government one (under Tories) showed 4%-5.5% losses and that compounds every year. Osborne, was not an economist but a poor politician

Where did you find lin mei? Talk about scrapping the bottom of the barrel

The very single idea of UK back in the EU is sickening for most EU citizen . I think UK does'nt realize that now that it's done(brexit) , EU citizen feels now quite comfortable , althought there are still many issues . The brexit was a big step forward for the EU's unity , we really felt the difference .

Lin Mei is in cloudcuckooland! She thinks there’s all these working class people who are suddenly richer since Brexit! 😂😂😂😂😂

Well done Barbara, its astonishing how the Brexit voters still cling on to the hope that everything will get better...It won't!!! Our economy as not recovered and it continues to plummet,

The UK has done loads or deals, but let's start with some facts...most of these were rolled over from the EU deals. So we always had them. The CPTPP deal is worth pennies compared to the cost of Brexit and even after 10 years it is expected to be return us a few billion only. The Australia/New Zealand deals are expected to contribute just about NOTHING or worse they are actually damaging. The projections from the experts say there is no substitute for the EU membership. No as regards immigration, we have shifted more to non-EU. Okay, let's check some facts on that. Both non-EU and EU immigrants contribute overall to the economy. However, the EU immigrants contributed more and were less likely to stay longer term. Indeed, studies show that EU immigrants tended to go back to their home nations when they start a family. BTW, EU immigrants contributed a lot more than UK natives. Then we come to taking back control. Vague concept in a global society. We are taking rules/laws where we now have no voice at all.

I completely disagree with Lin and would like to get back in.

I upvoted this because everything that Barbara said is absolutely right. There was absolutely no reason to hold Brexit. The time and money that it has already cost could have been spent on much better things. Some of the people on here are saying that other countries want to leave the EU. Living in Germany, I think that they're overestimating the number of people in the EU who want to leave. That number has gone down since Brexit, and has always been associated with right-wing extremism. The number of people who think that Brexit was a mistake is higher than support for Brexit ever was. The sooner Britain gets on the path to rejoinig the EU, the better. A good first step would be to finally vote the Tories out of office this year.

Of course we’re worse off leaving our strategic trade bloc. Of course we will never get a deal as good as the one we had. That’s the price of stupidity ignorance and hubris.

Enough of thoses jokes . UK was proud of abusing EU : " We take what we want from EU because we are so special ... " . Now , UK has what it wanted . No way EU could let UK back in after all what UK have said and done (permanent blackmailing). EU is more united than ever thanks to the brexit , although it cost it quite a bit . We tasted UK , we don't want it anymore . Period . Go "Global Britain" Go !

Brexit was never going to work, regardless of what version of brexit you got. As for the CPTPP agreement, well that will add less than 0.1% to UK GDP over the next 15 years. Compare that to the 5% reduction in UK GDP that we have already experienced thanks to leaving the EU

You still have your souvereignty !

Typical British class difference. 90% think it's not going well, let's vote on it. 10% (who are so rich that it doesn't matter) say: no, we have to look further, etc. etc. The whole world sees that things are not going well and laughs about it. Sick country of Europe.

The question is 'should we beg to re join?' The answer is YES WE SHOULD DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET INSIDE THE SINGLE MARKET, ANY FRIGGIN THING. Because if we stay outside another year, the UK will never be able to repair the damage. I said NEVER, I meant NEVER because the daily cost would be so high, that a hundred years is the amount of time that it would be reasonable to expect to take, for just 20% of the damage to repair. And as you know, this planet will not support humans much more than another 500 years, unless we stop adding C02 today.

Naaaa, we don't need you and you would have to adopt the Euro not the pound

The three key indicators for the UK that provide information on decline or rise: Key figure 1 How many billion pounds did the UK lose in 2023 due to Brexit? More or less than the £100 billion lost in 2022? And how many billion pounds will it lose in 2024? Key figure 2 The UK has been importing far more goods from abroad than it exports for as long as anyone can remember. In 2022, a new record deficit of almost £100 billion was reached. What was it like in 2023? The figures will be published in January 2024. Another record deficit? Or was the UK able to reduce the deficit? Key figure 3 Where did the almost billion pounds come from, for which more was imported than exported? You don't get it for free. Over the decades, the financial centre of London in particular, with its stock exchange, has generated corresponding profits, which have been used to pay for imports. Here, too, the question is: How was it in 2023? Better or worse than 2022? And what will it be like in 2024? Before Brexit, the other EU states largely left financial trade to the UK. So that the UK has money to pay for imports from the EU. After Brexit, the EU announced that it wanted to compete more with London as a financial centre on the continent in Paris, Amsterdam and Frankfurt. If the EU manages to do this, the UK will lose billion pounds, which will then be missing for paying imports. The economy runs according to capitalist principles and laws. The 50% of stupid vote-leavers are unaware of all this and replace their lack of knowledge with faith. Hocus-pocus (Potter sends his regards, unicorns send their regards). They strongly believe that the last 150 years did not take place or that - fighting alone - they could simply get the old status back. In this respect, the 50% are behaving like members of a religious sect. That will not work. The water of a stream doesn't run up a mountain when the stupid ones get together and wish for it.

This country seems to think it’s great being poorer! I beg the EU to not let us in as we are not educated enough!

Small business don't have the luxury of waiting. I think brexiters need to wake-up and face reality, the unicorns aren't going to arrive.

What is the point of even listening to Lin Mei ? She just talks rubbish.

The EU has moved forward better and faster. No one talks about Brexit anymore, there are more important issues than British whims.

Rest assured Brexiteers we don't want you back, even if you knock the door cap in hand. Thanks to you the EU got rid of a most obnoxious, selfish and annoying member, that took all and gave as least as possible back. So keep out, we LOVE you there. Long live de Gaulle.

Economists often disagree on basic ideologies such a Monetarist versus Keynesian. However, they all agree on the gravity model of international trade. In short, the amount of trade and services between two locations is negatively related to the distance between them. So trade to Australia is negatively impacted by the fact shipping takes 6 to12 weeks. Services are impacted in the same way as the timezones mean it is midnight in one location as it is midday in the other. The EU is a few hours away for transport and 1 to 2 hours in terms of timezone. So all these deals can really only make small differences. The EU or rather the EEA is the big one for us. It is even better because there is a concentration of some of the wealthiest people on this planet who are the ideal customer base for our expensive products and services.

If Brexit were a success people would shout it from the rooftops. Instead, all Brexiters can resort to now is whataboutery such as: "Germany in recession! Netherlands in recession!" Which is true. Both NL and DE are in recession, but both countries have a *much better base* compared to the UK. Germany is an industrial powerhouse, the Netherlands is the second largest agricultural exporter. NL and DE 'win' (though this is not a competition) on so many levels, compared to the UK. One example is infrastructure: drive through Germany or the Netherlands, and then drive through the UK, The state UK roads are in is eh.... let's say 'different'. GDP per capita is also better in those countries, compared to the UK. Less income inequality, better access to healthcare, less poverty, compared to the UK. I could go on and on. But people who still believe in Brexit seem to neither like facts nor do they want to listen to reason. Because to almost everyone else is has been clear for years now that Brexit is a failure. People who still 'believe' in Brexit are treating Brexit like it's some kind of religion. Or worse even: a cult.

I don't think Jeremy Vine frames this discussion very well.

We tried to build trading arrangements in the 1950’s. They didn’t work. That’s one of the reasons we joined the EEC in 1973.

Is this how low we've sunk. No wonder Britain is completely buggered.

😂😂😂 really want to join the E.U AGAIN 😂😂😂😂

Name one business that has benefitted from Brexit. One

That woman in the pink tops been on the magic mushrooms.

It wouldn't be begging but an application for membership. Which would be granted once all requirements are met and all current members accepted.

Instead of begging, we could just... apply like normal countries do?

The EU can't afford the demands the UK would make to get us back in.

JUST TWO MORE E U LOVING CRY BABIES

Last year the Suez canal was blocked. British Shops ran out of food. Now if both Canals close food supplies return to the Victorian era. 🇮🇪🇪🇺

the british people need to wait before rejoining the eu. scotland and northern ireland need to be given time to break away first

We’d need to have another referendum with a proper detailed explanation of the pros and cons..couldn’t imagine us getting the opt outs we once had..Problem is would the EU want us?..we’ve been nothing but agro since we joined plus the division in the Tory party..

The shops are full where I live

People chose to believe lies. It will take years to recover. Sorry for younger generations.

1,2 and 3 at the top table in the EU were Germany, Britain and France. Now we are outside and still have to abide by the rules we no longer have influence over

I live in Spain, and your caller is talking out of his arse about mortgages

"Give Brexit time"? That's like telling a starving man "Don't worry, you'll soon feel full if you carry on not eating". There's no mechanism for Brexit to work, and there never was.

Not had a proper.brexit yet international trade is better than ever,everyone's having a cost of living crisis,Germany in recession

What on earth makes you people think UE would ever allow the most troublesome former member, who turned their backs onto the very best deal for trade, peace, & a whole lot more besides, re-join. UE since you've been going has moved forward. Unlike Britain which seems to be for-ever "stuck in reverse", and going nowhere.

Vine is talking rubbish we have really left...

Brittons who voted for Brexit should have asked themselves why they joined what's developed into the EU more than half a century ago. Would the EU accept the UK back into its fold this time?

For a country to be putting up trade barriers against itself is hardly going to make things better. However, the EU is so much more than an economic union, the original idea was to bring about a lasting peace in Europe and that has been very successful. I'm very sad that we're no longer a member of the European family. Being an EU citizen certainly doesn't take anything away from citizenship of a particular country, but rather adds useful privileges such as freedom of movement and the ease of buying things from other EU countries. The EU was generally a force for good particularly for workers' rights, pollution control and so on. We now have sewage polluted beaches and rivers, with pollution rising at a rate that really cannot be blamed on the weather. My feeling is that what we need to do, at least in the short term, is to become more aligned with the EU and see if we can sort out a better trade deal. I don't understand why both the tories and labour rejected the EU's proposal for freedom of movement for young people as that seems a good idea and could possibly be extended. I'm not surprised this country is viewed by some in the way that it is, of course there are the usual comments from the Brit bashers, but I've talked to a lot of EU people recently and most think that Europe as a whole is stronger together with the present geopolitical situation in the world.

No, the best thing that's happened to this country for the last 40 years we joined the EEC for trade not the EU for a state and lose our sovereignty. Let's have it right.

Stay out

A tiny increase in salary wiped out by higher energy , food prices and let's not even mention uour rights for privacy right to strike. USA had banking financial/ crisis and its not in the eu either last time i checked

we didnt get brexit did we

It will come ,

...what makes you lot think we would even consider taking you lot back....................................................................ROFLMAO...🤣

But does the UK want to rejoin for the philosophy of the EU or just because the UK economy is a disaster? If it's the last please don't rejoin. We can do without the English exeptionalism. No country's want to leave the EU after the Brexit disaster.

The EU is not a dominatrix, sending an application is enough. Let's see if Brussel is still interested after years of negotiating the Brexit. UK still have to comply with the criteria, means your pint bottles will then be canceled again.

Ah, honestly as an EU citizen, I'm not sure if I'd like to see the UK back in the EU. Not this UK that is and certainly not the UK with veto powers (learn from the other former commonwealth, vetos are a recipe for failure). Two - "look at Germany and Spain"... really? I know they are one of the 5 powerhouses of the EU, but you must be nuts to use them as an example. Covid and Ukraine? Covid is global and we can compare how the EU27 did versus UK. As for Ukraine - come on. How many Russian or Belorussian aircraft entered UK airspace, how many missiles entered UK territory, how many things have been destroyed and people killed in the UK as a result of the war in Ukraine? Because all those things did happen in Poland, we had a few things explode here, we had people killed, we are having a full blown hubrid warfare going on and the Suwałki gap to deal with.

Barbara made some valid points. Lin was made to look silly on live TV.

You cannot beg, you can only negotiate..

Europe is more than money. Europe is the feeling amongst Europeans we are like brothers. Whilst i would like to see uk back in, however i think is not ready to understand the implications of a brotherhood.

4:40 That's why everyone loves the Great Britons!

Ukraine has applied for CPTPP accession.

Deluded Lin

Ask not beg. Persuassion is needed & the Tories are in no position to persuade anyone anywhere. Keir Starmer & Labour are the only Party that can do that, not having insulted the EU by word or deed. If we want to get back into the EU on any level it has to be by Labour & by the destruction of the Tory Government. If we want this vote tactical at the next Election.

Brexit has been favourable to African Indian immigration

11:40 no EU country wants to leave now. not one

Wow. I’m American and only Barbara is sane on here. Britain is in serious trouble. Just re-apply, not beg; but, you have to fully integrate. No more ‘cherry picking.’ The EU countries should abide by that currency and regulations - period. It’s called, ‘cohesion’, not ‘subversion.’

I am an EU citizen. Don't beg, thats ridiculous

Post Brexit rubber dinghies wouldn't be happy......

Who is the female debator....is she in senses?? People out enjoying their salaries 😂😂😂 People don't have money to pay bills

deluded.

London and Scotland voted to remain. However the majority in the UK e.g. English regions voted out. It is called democracy. Get over it.

Stay Free, stay out of EU

Remoaners are so desperate.

She delusional more being spent Where is she looking I work in hospitality and this has been the worse year ever!

the eu is falling apart

Vine goes into a slight bias huff , when his bbc employer is held to account ..

just do your best interest move. be a bloody adults

10:13 No need to beg. The EU is a cooperation and peace project. Just meet the requirements to join the EU. No humiliation involved. Meanwhile just follow the rules and standards and all will go well. But first GB has to want to join, no sign of that yet. It will take years I guess.

Eh

In a recent survey of 2000 remainers who expressed a preference said they would vote to rejoin the eu 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 get over it we're never going back the eu's finished 😂😂

"the EU is crumbling" 🤣🤣🤣

You see now now i understand why people saying you naver beat the irish i sware to my own prayer to my own god you will naver ever beat the irish very much true irish have two legs with both side its irish luck gift from god you people out of European unions for good

Omg really Lin?

Once we have Brexit dellivered properly!then we should have this discussion!got nothing too do with the clown show we have suffered in 2020/21!hey!the covid debacle!??no just blame everything on the Brexit we voted for but haven't had yet!

Didn’t give it enough time???! For heaven’s sake the lying Leavers told everyone we would all be so much better off right away. They were talking cobblers.

The delusion continues. As if the EU would accept Britain unanimously right away with the same opt outs and priviledges as before. There are at least 9 countries that would vote NO to UK rejoining at this moment, probbably forever. UK needs some humbling.

People were lied to, there are no brexit benefits, except for the few, multimillionaires. We need to start the process of rejoining.

Vine,bent as a nine Bob note

London liberals still crying 😂👍

Beg, repent, accept the euro, embrace being european but above all rejoin asap

Definitely not. Brexit is the best thing that has ever happened to the UK

We are poorer because of the pandemic, the same as the EU.