Jesus is God? AI debates Christian, Muslim

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Jon Oleksiuk

Jon Oleksiuk

23 күн бұрын

I configured Muslim and Christian AIs (large language models) to engage in a debate over one of the most controversial topics in religious discourse: the divinity of Jesus Christ. Watch as these advanced LLMs bring unique perspectives and arguments to the table, challenging beliefs and shedding light on a topic that has sparked theological discussions for centuries.

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@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 22 күн бұрын
NEW VIDEO almost done (atheism vs. theism)... lots of updates to the format. Thanks for watching and for all your suggestions to improvement. Subscribe and hit the bell to catch the next one!
@celestialknight2339
@celestialknight2339 18 күн бұрын
This is such an awesome video! Kudos to you for thinking this up. The only critiques I have (towards the AI) are as follows: • They could sometimes get quite repetitive. It starts out flexible & diverse, but the discussion quickly begins to go in circles. • They make lots of assumptions such as the validity of the Bible or Qur’an as historical sources, without questioning them. For example, John’s Gospel (which made up the bulk of discussion) isn’t even a historically reliable source according to most scholars, and it was written very late and even contradicts the previous gospels (which completely lack the ‘I Am’ statements of Jesus’ alleged divinity). Or, consider that Paul wasn’t even a disciple to begin with, yet the Christian AI readily quoted his writings as if they are authoritative. The Muslim AI should’ve questioned this, especially since there’s a stark contrast between the teachings of Jesus versus the teachings of Paul. The list can go on - but overall I found this stimulating, fun, educational, and highly enjoyable. Thanks for posting, and I can’t wait to see more videos like this! Peace, Your friendly Muslim viewer *_”And do not debate with the People of the Bible, except in the most polite & dignified manner.”_* ~ _The Qur’an __29:46_ ❤
@TheKoldfusion7
@TheKoldfusion7 17 күн бұрын
I'd love to see an additional model trained on Judaica participating in a sort of round table debate with all of these.
@jaylinn416
@jaylinn416 17 күн бұрын
This was very interesting!
@jaylinn416
@jaylinn416 17 күн бұрын
You should ask the Muslim AI whether Mohammed is a moral man! LOL
@jaylinn416
@jaylinn416 17 күн бұрын
The muslim AI may say, well... other than pedophilia, numerous murders, armed robberies, slave trafficking, rape of captured slaves, torture of prisoners, etc., Mohammed was a very moral man of his time! LOL
@Christ_TheWay
@Christ_TheWay 16 күн бұрын
Muslims quote the Bible while also claiming that the Bible is corrupt.
@ayinlaoriyomi2517
@ayinlaoriyomi2517 15 күн бұрын
That mentality always makes me laugh
@markstein2845
@markstein2845 13 күн бұрын
The parts that they quote aren’t corrupted only the rest hahaha
@kierinsusukaii4745
@kierinsusukaii4745 13 күн бұрын
ironic christians do the same thing to jews
@sonseed7541
@sonseed7541 13 күн бұрын
@@markstein2845 u quote bc it hat u believe?
@sonseed7541
@sonseed7541 13 күн бұрын
@@ayinlaoriyomi2517 no iq
@deezn2856
@deezn2856 18 күн бұрын
JESUS CHRIST IS THE TRUTH!!! ✝️✝️✝️
@djjinerson
@djjinerson 16 күн бұрын
The way
@morganclare4704
@morganclare4704 16 күн бұрын
John 14:6
@Mr.EdwardSmith
@Mr.EdwardSmith 16 күн бұрын
@@djjinerson and the life
@nickstrickland4751
@nickstrickland4751 15 күн бұрын
@@djjinersonYou guys forget the end of that statement, No man comes to the father by through me, the central issue is not Yeshua it’s Yehovah, Yeshua isYehovahs provision by who we go through to have a restored relationship with the father.
@Smooth17727
@Smooth17727 14 күн бұрын
Muslims keep seeing Jesus in visions and converting. That should tell everyone that he is real.
@jasonhubbard7409
@jasonhubbard7409 4 күн бұрын
This was amazing. They didn’t even call each other Hitler. Not even once. …I didn’t know online debate could do that.
@I.Kat.
@I.Kat. 3 күн бұрын
Hitler loved Islam. 😂😂😂
@rodney3297
@rodney3297 4 күн бұрын
The problem with Surah Al-Baqarah 2:79 is that we have manuscripts older than the Quran that line up with todays Bible. Also affirming the argument of the Christian AI.
@ibrahimbashir6082
@ibrahimbashir6082 3 күн бұрын
Earliest manuscripts of the bible are in Greek language while Jesus spoke aramaic not Greek. There will definitely be errors and corruptions
@betternameneeded6475
@betternameneeded6475 2 күн бұрын
​@@ibrahimbashir6082 I know it's a leap but I think God knows all languages
@BookerFakeToughGuy
@BookerFakeToughGuy 2 күн бұрын
Why do muslims keep limiting God?
@ahmedhamza4510
@ahmedhamza4510 2 күн бұрын
400 years after Esa pbuh
@ahmedhamza4510
@ahmedhamza4510 2 күн бұрын
The Ai got given corrupted information
@neufeldethan
@neufeldethan 8 күн бұрын
This can’t be a Muslim AI. It didn’t interrupt and turn away the question
@Yam3yam3
@Yam3yam3 4 күн бұрын
This should be pin 😂
@bradynmelser8983
@bradynmelser8983 3 күн бұрын
😂
@user-hv9yh2lr3k
@user-hv9yh2lr3k 3 күн бұрын
lol 😝
@Original.D.O
@Original.D.O 3 күн бұрын
😂
@I.Kat.
@I.Kat. 3 күн бұрын
And it doesn't say "i am not a scholar", "you need to read it in arabic"! 😂😂😂
@lovespeaks777
@lovespeaks777 18 күн бұрын
But they never got mad and screamed at each other 😂😂
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 18 күн бұрын
Ha. Exactly! After watching human emotion derail so many debates it was refreshing to hear point, counterpoint… not perfect, but hopefully headed in the right direction. I even programmed a line that said “at times, you get frustrated with your opponent…” to test if they would break with their respectful discourse.
@lovespeaks777
@lovespeaks777 17 күн бұрын
@@JonOleksiukHaha. Very cool idea, my friend!
@kmnzen6692
@kmnzen6692 16 күн бұрын
The judge also very smart in giving results. 🤣
@jcyc5101
@jcyc5101 16 күн бұрын
The muslim ai about to mad😂😂😂
@observer8477
@observer8477 15 күн бұрын
cause they dont care,they dont have a soul at stake,hah!
@crazyman4985
@crazyman4985 5 күн бұрын
Notice how the Christian A.I. rarely had to quote from the Quran if at all because it used the Bible as the ultimate authority and still won.
@knighnp
@knighnp 6 сағат бұрын
Well I was thinking that too, but the Christian AI had to defend whether Jesus said he was or no. So she shouldn't try to use the Quaran as a means to defend her stance on Jesus, but rather the whole Bible.
@usafriptide1719
@usafriptide1719 Күн бұрын
This was absolutely amazing. The purest definition of Steel-manning. I'm not sure a Muslim could find fault in this nor a Christian for that matter, at least scripturally. I do wish there was more historical context personally like how the Quran was written 600 years after Jesus and the Gospels were written by his eyewitnesses that were with him in life or how the Quran denies his crucifixion when the eyewitnesses proclaim it's validity. Possibly a follow-up vid?
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk Күн бұрын
Great idea, thanks for the suggestion. Currently working on a theist-atheist debate.
@peterdavis9403
@peterdavis9403 22 сағат бұрын
As a Christian I found fault on both sides. The problem with the "AI Christian" side of the debate is the use of the Trinity doctrine which was added by false Christians (foretold by Jesus and the Apostles) after the first century. In particular the quoting of John 10:1 "The Father and I are one," while ignoring John 17:21 where Jesus prays the the disciples would be one "just as he and the Father are one." That would mean all the disciples would become God using their reasoning. That is the proposition Satan gave Eve in the garden of Eden, "You will be like God.." The "AI Muslim" side got more of that right but have other wrong reasonings.
@MrOghoghosa
@MrOghoghosa 2 сағат бұрын
@@peterdavis9403the Bible reaches that God calls us to become like him! We were made in his image and likeness so we are becoming Gods but not like Jesus who is the Word made flesh ! The perfect distinction is made clear all through the Bible that Jesus is God in being the very essence and bodily embodies God as the text clearly states then the word stateseth first begotten from the dead ! God himself became flesh so that can become gods again ! It’s the prayer he prayed he never claimed they were with God in glory like he claimed in that prayer that he was with God in Glory before the foundation of the world! You could not join it together The three are one but all magnifies the other Psalms says he has magnified his word above his name! The Word magnifies his name also And the Holy spirit magnifies both the word and his person !
@nic4633
@nic4633 38 минут бұрын
​@peterdavis9403 Christians that believe in the trinity do not believe they're God. Weird Satan reference. Sounds pretty hateful to outright call them fake Christians lol.
@teklittewelde1487
@teklittewelde1487 18 күн бұрын
The difference between Christian and Muslim is that the God of Christian is limitless and all powerful. He can be a human and God at the same time, but the God of islam can not be human and God at the same time because he is not all powerful.
@theoneandonlybutreallyreal
@theoneandonlybutreallyreal 18 күн бұрын
there is a difference between inability and simply not doing so, with your logic because the christian god isnt a m1911 or 44. casull, it cannot be all powerfull. This is wrong, omnipotency dosent mean that everything has been done. The idea of three in one is copied from ancient pagan religions like egyptian, greek and roman paganism.
@Legendwill876
@Legendwill876 17 күн бұрын
And to make matter worse the god of islam need a woman to have a son.
@theoneandonlybutreallyreal
@theoneandonlybutreallyreal 17 күн бұрын
@@Legendwill876 love having my comment removed, either way both of your claims are completely incorrect. Firstly, just because Allah (SWT) isnt a human as well dosent mean that he is limiting himself, with that logic the christian god is limiting himself to three, why not 50? why not infinite? See the problem now? Just because Allah (SWT) can do everything dosent mean he does everything. Secondly, Allah (SWT) dosent necessarily need Maryam to bear Jesus (AS) but rather chose to do so. I mean it makes more sense that allmighty God chose to make a woman bear a child than God to make a woman bear God to spread the words of God as God.
@Legendwill876
@Legendwill876 17 күн бұрын
@@theoneandonlybutreallyreal allah is not god he has limited himself, he cannot have a son unless he have a partner. That statement alone makes him powerless and limitless, 2ndly allah is human, there is a verse where allah said Jesus saw his soul and told him he will die, does it mean allah doesnt know his fate?
@thiagowutzkeod2453
@thiagowutzkeod2453 16 күн бұрын
Both don't exist, so what
@kujo734
@kujo734 15 күн бұрын
How can the koran know more about Jesus when it was written 600 years after He lived? The New Testament was written by first-hand eyewitnesses.
@SpiritualSafar.
@SpiritualSafar. 10 күн бұрын
Because it is from God
@johnbee4557
@johnbee4557 9 күн бұрын
@@SpiritualSafar.actually it’s from a self proclaimed illiterate
@getgood386
@getgood386 8 күн бұрын
​@@johnbee4557agree 👍💯
@getgood386
@getgood386 8 күн бұрын
​@@SpiritualSafar.Your prophet is sick and dated a 9 year old . My God Jesus Christ was perfect
@ZenThruAnger
@ZenThruAnger 8 күн бұрын
Yeah, it would be odd that God came to deliver the Koran 600 years later to clarify that Jesus was not representing himself as God, but that he was just another messenger. I like the Christian God better because he won't get all psycho on you and kill you for trying to draw a picture of him.😂
@thechefslog4171
@thechefslog4171 2 күн бұрын
I would like to see them debate the subject of the reliability of the Quran versus the Bible
@St0rmXG46
@St0rmXG46 Күн бұрын
That sounds so interesting
@charlessmith7277
@charlessmith7277 3 күн бұрын
I don’t think Jesus felt abandoned on the cross. He was merely quoting Psalm 22 to minister to his followers and remind us that he is the fulfillment of that prophecy and to encourage us to take heart as indicated at the end of that chapter.
@Blkswan911
@Blkswan911 Күн бұрын
Man, I was so sad it didnt even read psalms 22!!! Jesus quoted it VERBADUM!
@waldo2635
@waldo2635 23 сағат бұрын
Jesus cried out to his Father, Oh God, have You forsaken me? You don't think Jesus felt abandoned???
@joelferguson4089
@joelferguson4089 21 сағат бұрын
@@waldo2635did you read psalm 22?
@jeremiahcase4699
@jeremiahcase4699 21 сағат бұрын
​@@joelferguson4089But he was in human form. You dont think he felt everything as we do? He was tempted and felt all the emotions that we have.
@Blkswan911
@Blkswan911 20 сағат бұрын
@@waldo2635 read psalms 22 dude. he was quoting a prophesy
@FRANCISMULI-ms4sx
@FRANCISMULI-ms4sx 18 күн бұрын
Muslim AI is debating like Muslims debaters, repeating itself over and over without making any point. Note: jesus christ is lord and God 💯%. Without him the second death "HELL" you will not escape it.
@sayedomairsiam6344
@sayedomairsiam6344 17 күн бұрын
And christian AI is giving the same answer that doesnt make sense 😂
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 17 күн бұрын
it did get a bit repetitive towards the end. Again, I did this without human intervention, perhaps in the future, a moderator could keep the conversation from looping back to certain scriptures. Maybe repeating a scripture is penalized, i don't know... thanks for the note.
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 17 күн бұрын
@@sayedomairsiam6344 which answer were you referring to?
@noahwamalwa4385
@noahwamalwa4385 17 күн бұрын
@@JonOleksiuk NOPE, judgement should based on satisfactory answer not repetition
@jordans6353
@jordans6353 17 күн бұрын
To you it doesn’t make sense because the concept inferential reasoning is not natural or possible for people that are indoctrinated into taking everything word for word.
@christianeddins2904
@christianeddins2904 11 күн бұрын
Notice how 90% of the conversation relies on Muslim Ai attacking authenticity of the Bible whilst Christian AI is mainly in defense. The foundation of the argument seems to be based on the Bible which is interesting. I would like to see the algorithm switch roles and add some offence from Christian AI on authenticity of the Quran as the main foundation of the Argument.
@christianeddins2904
@christianeddins2904 11 күн бұрын
My presumption is that the reason it is not based on the Quran is because if it were, the arguments would not be as evenly distributed based on the foundational Morals/Contradiction in the Quran compared to the Bible.
@anthonymotture
@anthonymotture 4 күн бұрын
Yes because that was the AI’s task to disprove the divinity of Jesus.
@PastAff4irs
@PastAff4irs 4 күн бұрын
The Quran affirms the Bible (INJEEL) yet the Bible doesn't affirm the Quran. Therefore the Christian has no need to prove anything of the Quran , rather just disprove it using the scripture, as the Quran commands the people of the book. Don't be salty when the dawah gpt script crumbles.
@thagreatadante
@thagreatadante 4 күн бұрын
Because there would be a Fatwah issued to kill such an Ai on sight if it challenged the Quran's authenticity .
@lebong76
@lebong76 4 күн бұрын
You should put the quran against the bible you can only use your own book as the quran states its got all the answers
@Juraikken
@Juraikken 3 күн бұрын
The ending had me on the floor. If you can do this again, but include extra-biblical support from contemporaries or even study of etymology and the Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic languages as part of the debate. It would be more interesting. I say this because during the part about the I AM arc, the fact that "Before Abraham was" was completely glossed over by the Muslim counterpart as irrelevant, when it should have been addressed that Jesus being ALIVE with God during creation puts him outside of merely being in an "honored" status. They fail to reconcile how Jesus' pre-existence doesn't immediately prove his divinity, since all things were created by Christ. How can a non-deity exist prior to all things being created? Nothing in either holy texts claim an eternal being, having no beginning and no end, is anything other than God. Prophets never accepted worship though, "highly revered" is not the same as "accepted worship" not a single prophet in the history of ever accepted worship and the scriptures approved of it.
@josephascroft4774
@josephascroft4774 5 күн бұрын
Is it not also very interesting that when the guards came to arrest Him and He asked who they were looking for, He answered “I Am He” and we are told that the guards fell down or stepped back as if in awe and fear, does this not give us a glimpse of Jesus divinity and the fact that He was freely giving Himself as a sacrifice
@Noxictyz
@Noxictyz 19 күн бұрын
Please do another where the AI' can argue with historical and archelogical evidence outside the texts. Allow the christian ai to use early church fathers and the cathecism and the muslim to use hadiths.
@yelrahkcorb
@yelrahkcorb 17 күн бұрын
Yes! All evidence outside the Bible and Quran would be awesome.
@user-jt8mi8fn5j
@user-jt8mi8fn5j 16 күн бұрын
The problem with that is that islamic evidence would get destroyed by Christianic evidence compiled so this would be better
@yelrahkcorb
@yelrahkcorb 16 күн бұрын
@@user-jt8mi8fn5j I think I would rather watch Islamic evidence get destroyed. I mean it happens in nearly every video posted online but it never gets old!
@user-jt8mi8fn5j
@user-jt8mi8fn5j 16 күн бұрын
@@yelrahkcorb true, even if you base it from a non religious point of view, Christianity has much more scriptures and testimonies each to their own language unchanged with meaning for the bible while Islam needs extra books to "complete" the Qur'an while Muslims argue if the hadiths are true or not
@yelrahkcorb
@yelrahkcorb 16 күн бұрын
@@user-jt8mi8fn5j Yeah they always claim we have more than one Bible and it’s changed all the time when none of them agree on the multiple Hadiths they have and every single 13+ Qurans they have for different countries have changed words that change the actual theology of it and if you go to a country with the wrong Quran you can actually lose your life for it.
@DeejayBones876
@DeejayBones876 6 күн бұрын
I was waiting for Christian AI to say "The quran says Mohamed is mentioned in the bible. The bible does not mention Mohamed once how comes?" 😂
@juliorosado3709
@juliorosado3709 6 күн бұрын
Even better, the Quran says Jesus is the spirit and the word of Allah
@tonyjk
@tonyjk 5 күн бұрын
@@juliorosado3709 exactly, also Q says Jesus as an infant gave life to a clay-bird by 'breathing' into it, just like how God created Adam. They also affirm (khalimatallah) Jesus will be the judge of all the earth
@Max_Skogr
@Max_Skogr 4 күн бұрын
Yes, it does. "Be wary of false prophets who come in sheep clothing but are actually ferocious wolves" Matthew 7:15-20
@arabicv1nce531
@arabicv1nce531 4 күн бұрын
@@juliorosado3709 and God is the Word, I forgot the verse but it went something like, In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God, and the word WAS GOD.
@vipcrypto4352
@vipcrypto4352 4 күн бұрын
The Holy Quran is the final book. And the book you call the Bible is not the actual Bible that was given to mankind. And if you watch the DAWAH KZfaq videos you will see proof and citing's of this. Don't believe me, go check the proof yourself.
@dodleymortune4312
@dodleymortune4312 4 күн бұрын
The answer to the muslim AI question about why God who is all powerfull can not just forgive sins without the sacrifice of Jesus, is because he hates sin more than we do and more than we can imagine, and this sacrifice shows his justice.
@jimmahbee
@jimmahbee Күн бұрын
There’s one small problem… The Bible clearly says, and it was written before the Quran that if we are an angel preach any other message any other gospel let them be acursed… this is exactly what happened with the Muslim faith… While in a cave, Mohammed, was accosted by supposedly the Angel Gabriel, and given a new gospel. this completely contradicts what was just written
@Benozo17
@Benozo17 17 күн бұрын
Notice how the Muslim AI uses the Bible to support its arguments than later in the end says it's changed, secondly the Christian AI never uses the Quran for its arguments, always refers back to the Bible. The Bible can hold its own while the other uses the Bible to justify its claim rather than later say it's changed when it doesn't fit its argument.
@dawudmohammed5496
@dawudmohammed5496 16 күн бұрын
Machines can understand only what you tell them, that's what you tell her to speak, coming to your comment 'muslims use the bible to support their argument' you are wrong brother, we don't need bible to support our argument we have the evidence that no one can stand against it, we only tell you what you haven't read from it(bible), next time you are better to read your Bible very well, you are far away to compete with Quran
@josiahserrano6651
@josiahserrano6651 16 күн бұрын
@@dawudmohammed5496 what evidence?
@christopherarthur3007
@christopherarthur3007 15 күн бұрын
​@@josiahserrano6651 Muslims should stop quoting the Bible when debating since they hold to the position that the Bible has been corrupted.... If the Bible have been corrupted, then the best advice to the muslims is to stick to the Qur'an and their Islamic sources when debating with Christians just as the Christian AI stuck with the Bible in the debate. If you use the Bible which u believe as been corrupted to back ur arguments then there is a cognitive dissonance on ur part since you people believe that the Bible is corrupt.... This is just an advice to the muslims and the christians
@BornAgain223
@BornAgain223 15 күн бұрын
exactly how real muslims argue as well
@deborahsmith5285
@deborahsmith5285 15 күн бұрын
One thing that's true that the Islam says about the Holy Bible being changed is it hasn't been completely changed. It had been sweaked a little here and there, but those changes made a great difference on how many perceive the Word. Our leadership should take a few classes in history from the scrolls to the book to who made the book to did they make their own personal changes and why. To say I love God with all my heart, soul, and strength. Don't you want to know the whole truth?
@flaming3624
@flaming3624 18 күн бұрын
Sam Shamoun vs AI would go hard
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 18 күн бұрын
I’d like to test one human in the debate. Maybe that could be arranged one day.
@celestialknight2339
@celestialknight2339 17 күн бұрын
@@JonOleksiuk Agreed. The AI would easily destroy his non-existent career in about 12 seconds.
@201950201950
@201950201950 17 күн бұрын
Are there any contradictions in Islam. Unlike the AI Sam would point those out.
@201950201950
@201950201950 17 күн бұрын
I guess the Christian AI was not programmed in polemics.
@CosmicalChrist
@CosmicalChrist 17 күн бұрын
​@@celestialknight2339 Well, since humans have tried and failed, let's try Ai
@youknowploysi4432
@youknowploysi4432 3 күн бұрын
The AI imo could have answered much better than it did by elaborating on psalm 22. Psalm 22 is not about the abandonment rather the call and certainty that god will come and aid him. IMO that makes the argument stronger by explaining that “my god my god, why have you forsaken me” means rather when are you coming and that the time has come to fufill the prophesy. Because after he says it the storm on the cross ends and atonement for humanity has been completed. Psalms 22 even ends on “he has done it”. I recommend everyone read or listen to psalm 22, it is a beautiful chapter.
@jaegeronimo4840
@jaegeronimo4840 4 күн бұрын
This is great! Looking forward for more AI debates!
@stauguastine
@stauguastine 16 күн бұрын
Basically Islam hangs its hat on the statement, "God is all powerful and therefore can do what he pleases." Christian response, "So, if God is all powerful and can do what he pleases, then he can take on human form." Muslim, "NO NOT THAT!!"
@aalileghari6195
@aalileghari6195 16 күн бұрын
With this notion then Hinduism is correct also. And more limitless. U have 3 in one. They have 50 in one. They beat you. 😂
@alexanderbgeorge289
@alexanderbgeorge289 15 күн бұрын
​​@@aalileghari6195u don't get it and sincerely u don't want to. No one can blame another for leading him or her astray and claim ignorance. He gave us intelligence no animal has for a reason. U are not his slave apparently, but your pride of ascending above previous prophecies reduced u.
@IbnRushd-mv3fp
@IbnRushd-mv3fp 15 күн бұрын
@aalileghari6195 Hinduism never recognised abraham therefore any would it be the same thing?, we're talking about monotheism here.
@ZiCkFLav0r
@ZiCkFLav0r 15 күн бұрын
i know hahaha
@observer8477
@observer8477 15 күн бұрын
@@aalileghari6195 but the thing here is not how many gods are but if god is powerfull or not and can do all things.you see you are an abdul you cannot see the real question here cause you have the doctrine of islam in your head all the time cause what you sayinmg is not the question here but if He can or not and of course god can be what ever He wants but at the same time no christian believe in many gods,you see how false doctrine you have in your thinking...
@user-zy8ct8yr7n
@user-zy8ct8yr7n 18 күн бұрын
What would be interesting is Muslim AI vs ex-Muslim AI. Debating on how reliable or lack there of on the Koran.
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 18 күн бұрын
hmmm... interesting idea. For that, i'd have to use an open source uncensored model... something to consider. thanks for the note.
@danielrodao5473
@danielrodao5473 16 күн бұрын
Totally agree ❤
@aalileghari6195
@aalileghari6195 16 күн бұрын
Should do the same with the bible. Has the bible been altered?
@anitaaziz3255
@anitaaziz3255 14 күн бұрын
@@JonOleksiuk see.. look at your response to such recommendations. Clearly this is a attempt to attack Islam and not a sincere search of truth. You have answered your own question to me above . Completely biased. Happy with a suggestion to put ex Muslim .. what happened to the balancing of putting also ex Christian , current Jew ex Jew current Hindu ex Hindu etc etc etc This is a waste of time! Now I see your real intention
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 14 күн бұрын
@anitaaziz3255 to clarify... i also think an ex-Christian vs. Christian, ex-Jew vs. Jew, ex-Hindu vs Hindu are interesting ideas that would generate a lot of good conversation.
@enriqueicm7341
@enriqueicm7341 3 күн бұрын
Really great video! Thanks a lot!
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 3 күн бұрын
appreciated, thanks for the note... consider subscribing if you want to see more. :)
@dansir4102
@dansir4102 4 күн бұрын
Jesus didn’t feel abandonment. 1.) In the more direct translation he was asking the Father how much longer he had to be distant from him for this sacrifice and was making a claim that it was over. And in that very moment the Father agreed and ended the punishment, caused a massive earthquake, and ended the lunar eclipse. He did not say forsaken as in forgotten, but rather as in distant from love. 2.) his saying that was fulfilling a prophecy.
@hank2130
@hank2130 16 күн бұрын
Sam Shamoun would crush the Muslim Ai, he’d pose better answers and arguments than the Christian Ai.
@hriata5384
@hriata5384 14 күн бұрын
Cause I think the Christian ai is program only to use the bible and not question the Qur'an back....only defence mode and no ofence.. Sad😢
@smokeb
@smokeb 13 күн бұрын
True
@hepx7584
@hepx7584 13 күн бұрын
He is the men of God pray for him do hi can understand more
@ShatarAhpayach
@ShatarAhpayach 11 күн бұрын
Sam is a drug addict, and a base man.
@onlyenzoYT
@onlyenzoYT 11 күн бұрын
Accept Jesus Christ 🙏🏽❤️
@cylonsteve2511
@cylonsteve2511 15 күн бұрын
I think Christian AI held back. There are verses that eliminate any counter argument verse of the Quran and there Quran verses that confirm the Bible Scriptures as true. In other words, the Quran defeats itself.
@cylonsteve2511
@cylonsteve2511 15 күн бұрын
Galatians 1: 6-9, and Surah Al-Ma'idah - 48, for example. It sort of makes the debate mute from an Islamic perspective.
@BlackMamba-wi2qk
@BlackMamba-wi2qk 6 күн бұрын
⁠@@cylonsteve2511it doesn’t tho, if you read chapter 5 verse 44, you will see that the rabbis was given a job to preserve the other manuscripts, But in al baqarah verse 179, it comfirms they failed the test and changed the verses with their hand.
@cylonsteve2511
@cylonsteve2511 5 күн бұрын
@@BlackMamba-wi2qk Consider these: [Quran 2:136] Say, "We believe in God; and in what was revealed to us; and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs; and in what was given to Moses and Jesus; and in what was given to the prophets-from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we surrender. [Quran 3:3] He sent down to you the Book with the Truth, confirming what came before it; and He sent down the Torah and the Gospel. [Quran 3:184] If they accuse you of lying, messengers before you were accused of lying. They came with the proofs, and the Psalms, and the Illuminating Scripture. [Quran 6:154] Then We gave Moses the Scripture, perfect for the righteous, and explaining everything clearly, and a beacon, and mercy, that they may believe in the encounter with their Lord. [Quran 5:46] In their footsteps, We sent Jesus son of Mary, fulfilling the Torah that preceded him; and We gave him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, and confirming the Torah that preceded him, and guidance and counsel for the righteous. [Quran 5:47] So let the people of the Gospel rule according to what God revealed in it. Those who do not rule according to what God revealed are the sinners. [Quran 10:94] If you are in doubt about what We revealed to you, ask those who read the Scripture before you. The truth has come to you from your Lord, so do not be of those who doubt. [Quran 4:136] O you who believe! Believe in God and His messenger, and the Book He sent down to His messenger, and the Book He sent down before. Whoever rejects God, His angels, His Books, His messengers, and the Last Day, has strayed far in error. [Quran 16:43] We did not send before you except men whom We inspired. So ask the people of knowledge, if you do not know. [Quran 21:7] We did not send before you except men, whom We inspired. Ask the people of knowledge, if you do not know. [Quran 40:78] We sent messengers before you. Some of them We told you about, and some We did not tell you about. No messenger can bring a miracle except by leave of God. Then, when the command of God is issued, fair judgment will be passed, and there and then the seekers of vanity will lose. [Quran 41:43] Nothing is said to you but was said to the Messengers before you: your Lord is Possessor of Forgiveness, and Possessor of Painful Repayment. [Quran 41:44] Had We made it a Quran in a foreign language, they would have said, "If only its verses were made clear." Non-Arabic and an Arab? Say, "For those who believe, it is guidance and healing. But as for those who do not believe: there is heaviness in their ears, and it is blindness for them. These are being called from a distant place. [Quran 46:12] And before it was the Book of Moses, a model and a mercy. And this is a confirming Book, in the Arabic language, to warn those who do wrong-and good news for the doers of good. [Quran 5:43] But why do they come to you for judgment, when they have the Torah, in which is God's Law? Yet they turn away after that. These are not believers. All the above verses in the Quran would not have been revealed if scriptures before were not true. About the Law, Jesus said: Matthew 5:17 (NIV) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." I know it is hard to believe God has so much love (Greek: Agape) he would actually become Holy title of The Son of Man. But it is true.
@Carnis-san
@Carnis-san 5 күн бұрын
nope.
@epairoyahushua4314
@epairoyahushua4314 5 күн бұрын
100%
@PaulPrunean-q9e
@PaulPrunean-q9e 23 сағат бұрын
@JonOleksiuk This is a really good idea. I really enjoyed the debate. My one point for improvement is that the conversation does run a bit long and was redundant at times in that the same line of reasoning, or argument was repeated by the AI on both sides. I not sure if that was a strategy though, or just the model response when pressed with the same question.
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 22 сағат бұрын
thanks for the note. Yes, working on the redundancy problem for the next video, atheism vs theism. So far it seems as if it has improved. work in progress :)
@PaulPrunean-q9e
@PaulPrunean-q9e 7 сағат бұрын
@@JonOleksiuk I'm looking forward to the next video. Please let me know if you need an extra hand of help on this project. I have some time to spare and would love to assist. Let's get more of these kinds of videos out there.
@gregpech
@gregpech 4 күн бұрын
This was so good 👏🏻
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 4 күн бұрын
Much appreciated. More to come, consider subscribing
@ashroland306
@ashroland306 16 күн бұрын
Jesus Christ is the king of all kings,,,the alpha and omega..to him be all the glory..
@onlyenzoYT
@onlyenzoYT 11 күн бұрын
Amen
@PsalmInstrumentalWorship
@PsalmInstrumentalWorship 9 күн бұрын
Amen!!!
@ebcsecurity9490
@ebcsecurity9490 9 күн бұрын
All top Christian scholars say the "alpha, omega" line is from a fabricated verse lol
@lowballinn
@lowballinn 6 күн бұрын
@@ebcsecurity9490Lol how? Literally no one says that, bring me evidence that it is fabricated (keep in mind everything q ehave is from the earliest manuscripts, and if not it is marked. John 14:6 is found in the earliest manuscripts.)
@ebcsecurity9490
@ebcsecurity9490 6 күн бұрын
@@lowballinn These are the names of the first and last letters of the GREEK!!!!! alphabet. That alone tells you all you need to know. But moving on. The additional occurrence of this phrase in the King James rendering of Revelation 1:11, however, does not receive support from some of the oldest Greek manuscripts, including the Alexandrine, Sinaitic, and Codex Ephraemi rescriptus. It is, therefore, omitted in many modern translations. Because its an interpolation (fabrication).
@levirichards7010
@levirichards7010 5 күн бұрын
As an atheist I think it would be cool to have an Atheist vs Christian or even an Atheist vs Muslim AI debate like this.
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 5 күн бұрын
working on a theist v atheist debate... hopefully uploading later this week.
@raulmartinez429
@raulmartinez429 Күн бұрын
There could never be atheist AI because they are intelligent and full of information which is exactly why atheist lack of 🤣🤣
@St0rmXG46
@St0rmXG46 Күн бұрын
Thats actually an interesting idea i want to see a hindu ai vs a christin or athiest ai
@brenthume5445
@brenthume5445 21 сағат бұрын
The Muslim AIs clearly don’t understand the trinity.
@GutsOnYT
@GutsOnYT 21 сағат бұрын
​@@brenthume5445right.
@craigmartinj
@craigmartinj 5 күн бұрын
Was the AI informed which version of the Koran to use? Because there are several different versions floating around that vary in fact and data which directly contradicts the Koran as being unchangeable. The Koran has absolutely been changed, many times, and what is being distributed now probably has little if anything to do with anything that existed in Arabia in 700AD
@rameynoodles152
@rameynoodles152 3 күн бұрын
@JonOleksluk Can we have more of this? But change up the topics so it's not so revolving around whether or not Jesus and God are the same? There's so much more to debate here, and this was REALLY good.
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 3 күн бұрын
much appreciated. i'm actually working on the followup video debating the existence of God. Consider subscribing if you want to be sure not to miss it. thanks for the note.
@cndbradley4423
@cndbradley4423 2 күн бұрын
@@JonOleksiuk Both AI's accept and agree in Jesus' preexistence, yet fail to indicate that they understand that being divine is a prerequisite to preexistence.
@cylonsteve2511
@cylonsteve2511 15 күн бұрын
I felt sorry for the Muslim AI, it couldn't resort to violence to defeat the opponent and struggled with the Christian AI quotes. For example, it kept saying "when you look at the text this way or that way..." [Paraphrased] instead of giving anything concrete.
@user-qk6rg6pm6s
@user-qk6rg6pm6s 9 күн бұрын
And I find Christian AI explanations logically making sense
@TheBenpg
@TheBenpg 6 күн бұрын
exactly , they know about jesus devinity, but they CHOOSE to interpret it differently lmaao
@Fookruzzia-fookpalestine
@Fookruzzia-fookpalestine 6 күн бұрын
God becomes man,sinless. To be a fair judge,live as a man, die as a man.feel our joys and pains. Better equipped to judge fairly, having lived as a man. Would I listen to someone who learned about depression from a book? Or listen to someone who lived through depression and came out the other side. Experience of the situation makes one better equipped to judge or help.
@tjubrain6755
@tjubrain6755 6 күн бұрын
Maybe you miss understood
@tjubrain6755
@tjubrain6755 6 күн бұрын
Jesus is spiritual being in human form but he doesn't claim to be the creator of the universe
@LeviThoughts
@LeviThoughts 8 күн бұрын
It's funny how the debate immediately started citing more Christian Scriptures and quoting the Quran much less. It's almost inevitable for Muslims, they must refute the Scriptures that came before the Quran in order to accuse the Scriptures of being corrupt and claim that the Quran is the Word of God. Let's be fair, that's something impossible to be done when you compete with the actual Word of God.
@Yassine3333222222
@Yassine3333222222 8 күн бұрын
Because there's no contradiction in Quran. The Christian AI cannot use it as arguments. However, in the bible there's many contradictions that can be used as arguments
@LeviThoughts
@LeviThoughts 8 күн бұрын
​@@Yassine3333222222 Funny how all the supposed contradictions have been easily answered by the Christian AI, but the Muslim one would make the same questions about the same verses over and over
@Yassine3333222222
@Yassine3333222222 8 күн бұрын
The Muslim AI is very weak, I myself am better than him. First of all, there's a very important question, Jesus never called himself God or ordered us to call him God. Do we have the right to do so!!? From where we got that right!!? From no one, it's an invention. It adds to the scripture. Second, let's summarise everything: Jesus in the bible --> • Prays to God. • Is sent by God. • Obeys God. • The Father is his god. • Heard the truth from God. • Learned from God. • Cries to God. • Said that the father is the only true God. • Doing only the will of the father. • Has been given the authority and power by God. • Glorified by God. • Raised by God. Conclusion: Jesus doesn't have any difference with him or a prophet of God. They have the same purpose, same human nature, and he died in the cross as human nature because God can not die. All Christianity can be debunked only by the bible itself.
@LeviThoughts
@LeviThoughts 6 күн бұрын
@@Yassine3333222222 i wrote a whole essay and sent it here, but apparently it was deleted, so i am sad
@Be_Still_And_Know946
@Be_Still_And_Know946 4 күн бұрын
@@Yassine3333222222 Exodus 3:13-15 Then Moses said to God, “Indeed, when I come to the children of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He (God) said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you. Jesus said to them (the Jews), “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 10:32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” 33 The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” Jesus did claim to be God.
@JerrellConner
@JerrellConner 3 сағат бұрын
Thank you for running these “debates”… This was very interesting! Where it kind of showed cracks for me was in Round 3. It seemed that the AI could only use the words in the scriptures to make arguments or respond the arguments? The Muslim AI could then site its holy books and make claims that the Bible had been corrupted (without any evidence but just claims) because it was written hundreds of years later. While the Christian AI could not address any contradictions and fallacies made in the Quran because it did not exist and was never mentioned. So a lot of the responses were limited and could not accurately rebut the claims of the other side.
@JerrellConner
@JerrellConner 3 сағат бұрын
That’s just what I gathered from it. Anyone agree? -->
@Minecraft_blitz
@Minecraft_blitz 3 сағат бұрын
Debating a real Muslim is like debating your toothbrush
@entertaininformmedia7836
@entertaininformmedia7836 13 күн бұрын
AI-10 Muslims admitting Jesus said "... because I said, I am God's Son." (15:36) was a career-ending admission, yet netted them 41 points.
@DanyelBasko
@DanyelBasko 4 күн бұрын
It's okay, we won in this debate. Considering that emotional Factors are not included, we won both faith and Logical reasoning.
@vhadianv
@vhadianv 16 күн бұрын
See how when the muslim ai gets questioned bout the bible literaly verbatim saying “Jesus is God” it just says “oh yeah i forgot, the bible is corrupt” 😂
@QUANTPAPA
@QUANTPAPA 3 күн бұрын
the bible you have is not even close to what it was. its chanced by govermand for there own intrest. but believe what you wanne believe.
@vhadianv
@vhadianv 3 күн бұрын
@@QUANTPAPA I will believe what I want to, because the Lord has warned to whom changes the word, their name shall be jotted out of the book of life. The Lord has also created a book with 63,779 cross references with 40 different authors. Hundreds of prophecies in the Old Testament fulfilled by Jesus in the New Testament, and hundreds from the New Testament fulfilled in modern times. The Quran only has 6,236 cross references excluding Bismillah and 6,348 Including Bismillah. No confirmed author and gets science wrong. The Quran claims that sperm is made in the area between the backbone and ribs, which is scientifically incorrect.
@MrURBETTA
@MrURBETTA Күн бұрын
​@@QUANTPAPAso when the Bible says God's word is eternal, that part is corrupted since we don't the original Torah and Injeel. if Jesus is God, what would be the best way for the devil to make people disbelieve. Oh yes, the Quran.
@QUANTPAPA
@QUANTPAPA 15 сағат бұрын
@@MrURBETTA jesus was send by god not god him self. and govermand and kings chance the bible to there own desire, there still original parts in it but a lot is chanced overtime, jesus him self prayt to god. he put his head on the ground. the jews did not acept jesus, and still wait for him. but both books torah and bible long ago was valid books, if you look back to the native language of jesus ( aramaic ) google : aramaic word for god. when the anti christ come, jews will follow him bc the still wait for jesus and did not accept the real jesus from the bible, and christians will also follow him bc the know jesus will come back. but the anti christ will claim he is jesus and later on jesus will come back to kill the falls mesia, and later on he will even claim to by god. also moslim believe that jesus will come back peace to him, to destroy antichris/ dajjal.
@Kingdom_Focused
@Kingdom_Focused 4 күн бұрын
This is a really cool exercise, thank you for putting it together. I do want to point out that just because these are AI robot forces clashing, it's not the end-all-be-all for this debate. There were plenty of moments that I see how the "Christian AI" could've brought up other points. For example, I'm 12 minutes in and I think this would be a good time to quote Jesus in His own words saying, "Before Abraham was, I am," then spend a little time with the Old Testament context in saying those words. But wow, the Truth is a lion, it will always stand strong, thank you Jesus. God bless you all - Troy
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 4 күн бұрын
thanks, i appreciate your note. it's definitely a work in progress trying to figure out how to best use large language models for constructive debates. my hope is that while these models are still in their infancy, they can at least get quality conversations happening on these type of issues.
@martylou6194
@martylou6194 4 күн бұрын
This should not be considered a "debate", rather, showcasing the views of both sides.
@MonaLisaFaceMusic
@MonaLisaFaceMusic 6 күн бұрын
The concept of allowing Himself to be limited by human form is actually quite interesting, because God without limitations is merely omnipotent as a characteristic. However being omnipotent WITH limitations and surpassing them, is omnipotent in action. It’s actually proving it and showing it, if there’s nothing to overcome you can’t really qualify yourself as an omnipotent. It’s like saying you’re courageous and brave, but you’ve never faced anything that made you afraid.
@GabeM972
@GabeM972 2 күн бұрын
Interesting input, I've never seen people point this out. Gave me something to think about
@Blkswan911
@Blkswan911 Күн бұрын
Money
@Setaishafree
@Setaishafree Күн бұрын
Bullseye!
@Setaishafree
@Setaishafree Күн бұрын
"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;" Philippians 2:6 "No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of My own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from My Father.” John 10:18
@GabeM972
@GabeM972 Күн бұрын
@@Setaishafree That's one of my favorite Bible verses, give me chills Everytime. It's like Christ had everything to boast about with Him being God Himself but instead He humbled Himself to the lowest of lows.
@shabem1
@shabem1 15 күн бұрын
This exercise showed how limited the Quran is. The Muslim AI is debating from the Bible and not from the Quran
@colonelbeer6356
@colonelbeer6356 8 күн бұрын
it shows how the ai is biased and how it got programmed, the muslim kept using the bible which is wrong to do if he stayed a muslim
@eridgareodwin8922
@eridgareodwin8922 5 күн бұрын
True, the Christian AI never used the Quran once. On the other hand, the Islam AI used the Holy Scriptures all over and over, forgetting that it is corrupted, according to the Quran. Easy win for Christians.
@basedmusician8752
@basedmusician8752 4 күн бұрын
​@@colonelbeer6356No bias from the AI. Muslim scholars do it all the time.
@ZombieChicken-X
@ZombieChicken-X 4 күн бұрын
@@colonelbeer6356 not biased lol, the quran confirms the bible most muslims just dont know their own scripture
@sandras.9312
@sandras.9312 2 күн бұрын
I would love to see more of these!
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 2 күн бұрын
Awesome, working on one right now… consider subscribing not to miss it :)
@finalfantasy3808
@finalfantasy3808 2 сағат бұрын
It sounds like they had to bring in 2nd A.I.s because they kept going in circles about the reason for Jesus's sacrifice, mostly because the Muslim was stuck asking the same questions about it. The second argument is about Jesus's divinity, first questioned by the Muslim A.I. and by this time the Muslim A.I. has to quote Bible scripture to argue its points. The Muslim A.I. says: @ 9:26 "Philippians highlights Jesus's humility with God, not independent divinity...not in equality with God...If Jesus were equal to God why would He emphasize his need to submit and act under God's command?". The Christian A.I. responds: "Jesus's emphasis on his dependence on the Father highlights his role within the trinity, not a lack of divinity. Colossians 2:9 states: "For in Christ all the fullness of the deity lives in bodily form". This is similar to what Former atheist John Bunyan said about the trinity when he saw heaven (1640s): "We clearly see here that from eternity God was sole existing, but not solitary, that the Godhead is neither confused in unity, nor divided in number. We see that there is a priority of order but no superiority among the persons of the Trinity, but that they equally have the same excellency and power, and equally are adored." www.divinerevelations.info/documents/john_bunyan_hell/
@abcmaya
@abcmaya 17 күн бұрын
The great thing about the gospel is that you have Jesus Christ as your representative. And because Jesus is God himself, there's no power in the universe that can stop him from bringing you to heaven.
@missflipz
@missflipz 11 күн бұрын
👏👏👏 Amen to that 🙏🏼
@Yassine3333222222
@Yassine3333222222 8 күн бұрын
If Jesus is truly God, why does he need to learn from God? In **John 8:28**, Jesus says he speaks only what the Father has taught him. Did he lose his memory and forgot that he's God!? If he is omniscient, why would he need teachings? This challenges the idea that he's God.
@missflipz
@missflipz 8 күн бұрын
@@Yassine3333222222God is Spirit. Jesus came in the flesh ‘from God’ . His fleshly earthly life was temporary to teach us all things. When he went back to the Father the promise of the gospel is that those who call on the Name of Jesus, in prayer, will receive the Holy Spirit from the Father. And Jesus said WE will come and make our home with you. So Christ within us is the kingdom come to earth, as it is in heaven. And he tells us to Ask Anything in his Name. In prayer. So when we pray to Our Father, in Jesus’ name, they both are ONE in Spirit. Inseparable.
@Yassine3333222222
@Yassine3333222222 8 күн бұрын
@@missflipz You said he came to teach us, but the problem, he himself is learning from God. That's the problem. And there's very important question, Jesus never called himself God or ordered us to call him God. Do we have the right to do so!? From where we got that right!? A flesh from God is the same concept as a prophet from God. Same thing.
@CG_Motions
@CG_Motions 7 күн бұрын
@@Yassine3333222222 He his not learning from the Father, he his showing how we should have a relationship with the Father.
@franroxburgh6055
@franroxburgh6055 16 күн бұрын
Someone forgot to programme these AI bots with a short-term memory! They keep repeating the same verses over and over again!
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 16 күн бұрын
Great point. Part of the programming included "I review previous responses and never repeat the same question or answer or scripture." But one of the AIs (even though both were configured with the identical method) chose to override my programming with what it thought was the best approach to answering the opponent's question.
@Soulwrite7
@Soulwrite7 14 күн бұрын
To be fair, humans and scripture are fans of repetition when it comes to argument construction. AI lacking sentience and as a simple learning model, learns from the data and instruction given; as such is it no wonder then that it has incorporated a degree of repetition.
@kierinsusukaii4745
@kierinsusukaii4745 13 күн бұрын
@@JonOleksiuk that's normal because sometimes hearing something isn't enough the first time it is heard. It's like if I said "I'll be arriving with a nice looking lamborghini" and so when I arrive you would be expecting a Lamborghini... BUT if I don't come with a car that looks like a lamborghini then what just happened?? Well it's Word play... nice looking Lamborghini states my car is indeed a lamborghini that looks nice so it's explicit... but a car that looks like a lamborghini really means a car that only "looks like" a lamborhini although plenty people will assume i meant an actual lamborghini if I said that it's only implied by them and not explicit... so sometimes repeating is necessary because when someone hear what you say they either allow it to replay in their head and slightly meditate on the words or lose focus and assume
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 10 күн бұрын
got it...i think... maybe i'll read that again, lol
@kierinsusukaii4745
@kierinsusukaii4745 10 күн бұрын
@@JonOleksiuk I edited it so it makes a bit more sense.. I typed it when I was about to sleep last time so I seen alot of errors
@jimmysampson9026
@jimmysampson9026 5 күн бұрын
I’m sure someone has said it, but just in case, it would be cool to run a similar model with the use of historical and archaeological evidence included with the scriptures!
@jasonmorrison4497
@jasonmorrison4497 4 күн бұрын
Did you use an interlinear bible as the source for the Christian AI? If not, which version of the bible did you use to train the AI?
@BornAgain223
@BornAgain223 15 күн бұрын
Jesus also calls himself the good shepherd, so he actually claims to be good, therefore asking why someone calls him good does not deny his deity.
@zortez6468
@zortez6468 5 күн бұрын
very well said
@gamer__dud10
@gamer__dud10 4 күн бұрын
He is saying that he is God Figuratively
@user-yu2sq2pv2o
@user-yu2sq2pv2o 4 күн бұрын
@@gamer__dud10 "And the Word was with God, and the Word was God... and the Word became Flesh, and made His dwelling among us." - John 1
@kevinclint7588
@kevinclint7588 22 күн бұрын
JESUS CHRIST IS THE GREAT I AM,……………. AMEN TO THAT ❤
@jobayermasud5403
@jobayermasud5403 19 күн бұрын
since when did I am mean god
@celestialknight2339
@celestialknight2339 19 күн бұрын
The problem is that these statements only appear in the Gospel of John, which scholars now recognize as being historically unreliable. The New Testament has 4 Gospels (Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John), and we can only find these “I Am” declarations in the last of the four (John) - which was written latest, contains provable fabrications (e.g. John 7:53-8:11), and contradicts the previous Synoptic gospels which never ONCE quote Jesus as making these “I Am” statements, which would be unthinkable for them to ignore or forget if they actually happened. The truth is: stories about Jesus grew and developed over time, and his image & status was embellished as the years and decades went on. Mix that in with the highly probably Roman pagan influence from their idolatrous next-door neighbors (whose theology was swamped in ‘sons of God’ and human incarnations), that it’s clear to see what modern Christianity teaches today was not what Jesus himself claimed. Islam takes us back to the original historical truth, which is that God is one (Mark 12:29), He alone is the source of goodness (which Jesus denied in Mark 10:18), and He alone-even in John’s Gospel-is “The ONLY TRUE GOD” (John 17:3). I encourage you to read the Qur’an, God’s final revelation to humanity. It clarifies all things, and guides believers to the most upright truth and will of the Creator :) Peace.
@bobbyhempel1513
@bobbyhempel1513 18 күн бұрын
​@@jobayermasud5403 read the Bible.
@saviovaz2903
@saviovaz2903 17 күн бұрын
​@jobayermasud5403 Hmm, THE NAME - "YAHWEY🙏 (Holy Above ALL) - I AM : is the same name reviled to Moses. Nefarious mouse-slimes claim to worship the same God, whilst not knowing "not Only" the Name of God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob but also God's True Nature.
@celestialknight2339
@celestialknight2339 17 күн бұрын
@@saviovaz2903 The fact that you insult Muslims (which simply means ‘one who surrenders their life to God’) shows just which God you truly serve. Also, we believe in the same God of Abraham - and “YHWH” simply means ‘The Eternal & Absolute One’ which is also God’s name & title in the Qur’an (‘As-Samad’; see Sūrah 112). Oh and by the way, nobody actually knows for sure how YHWH (the Tetragrammaton) was pronounced, because it was lost over time since only the high priest ever recited it. So by your own logic, you don’t know the name of God either. And if that wasn’t bad enough, let’s not forget that the Gospels and New Testament never use the name “Yahwey” for God even ONCE. So, why are you using hypocritical double-standards? I hope you repent. As Christians do you only resent us because we believe in God, and what was revealed to us, and what was revealed before, and because most of you are rebellious sinners?
@beatposse2011
@beatposse2011 2 күн бұрын
Not a Muslim nor a Christian just trying to speak objectively here, everything that I'm going to say is with utmost respect to my fellow Muslims and fellow Christians. This debate falls short because the Muslim AI keeps quoting the bible to disprove Jesus' divinity, which is like trying to extinguish a fire using gasoline. That makes it seem like the Muslim AI thinks that both The Holy Bible and The Holy Quran are both at the same time the word of God (which cannot be because both contradict each other on the very point that this debate is based around) while trying to interpret the bible verses to suit his narrative. Found it interesting that there is no direct talk of the crucifixion, resurrection and ascension of Jesus (from both perspectives) which is a very important point to bring in a debate like this. Finally, taking a look at the uploader's channel, you can see that he's clearly Christian and did upload videos preaching Christianity in the past, so how can we ensure objectivity and fairness here and can he make sure that his personal beliefs didn't interfere with training the AIs (even at a subconscious level)?
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 2 күн бұрын
good points, this weekend i'm hoping to do another video featuring an atheist and theist using 14 different models as judges, asking them to create their own criteria for judging the arguments....we'll see how it goes.
@hakmat1769
@hakmat1769 4 күн бұрын
what was the last one supposed to mean ? those ai conversation was lacking and the muslim ai was repeating the same questions when he could ask so many other things
@brooksjack45
@brooksjack45 16 күн бұрын
This is good, but they seemed to repeat some argument structures too much. They lack ability to make deeper prophetic connections between old and new testaments.
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 16 күн бұрын
good thought, maybe a round on prophecy would have been beneficial, thanks for the note.
@christmpika8601
@christmpika8601 7 күн бұрын
Good point. That goes along with islamic teachings (Quran) claiming to be abrahamic (use of the Old Testament prophets and Jesus) but finding sacrificial blood rituals for atonement not from God, something widely spreads in the Scriptures it affirms. Islam and this muslim AI have problems - inconsiderate and flaws. An AI is just an ai anyway and Islam is just it.
@kenim
@kenim 5 күн бұрын
Also it lacks some specific nuance. Like theologically the moment you admit Jesus was with God in the begining, it already establishes Him as God, not as servant.
@EggChen6DemonBag
@EggChen6DemonBag 16 күн бұрын
If this AI Muslim was debating Christian Prince, the Muslim would have zero points. :D
@tysolbohan6446
@tysolbohan6446 16 күн бұрын
Just no an ai adapts based on the arguments it can very easily provide counter arguments
@aalileghari6195
@aalileghari6195 16 күн бұрын
Christian prince would have zero answers if the Ai provided one alteration in the bible with proof.... Christian prince would not be able to talk after that. Unless he would kick the Muslim Ai of his stream after by calling him names and abdool😂
@Legittuber
@Legittuber 12 күн бұрын
Lol yep you got that right
@Doing-Goods
@Doing-Goods 8 күн бұрын
​@aalileghari6195 even if there is an alteration that doesn't mean anything. The Quran had been changed many times over centuries and the original version had been burned. Just because someone changed around some words that doesn't mean the entire thing is infallible. It means you have to go by more original and accurate texts, not the queen James bible or Mormon bible and whatnot
@ZombieChicken-X
@ZombieChicken-X 4 күн бұрын
@@aalileghari6195 The Quran has alterations... are you ill?
@St3ew
@St3ew 5 күн бұрын
Actually interesting to see a real debate rather than one particular side going in circles with null points (onces with absolutely zero evidence or ground to stand on) and the other trying to explain to them but they refuse to listen. No need to say which is Which, they know.
@ironbug9924
@ironbug9924 5 күн бұрын
The AI underused the Old Testament many verses prove the prophets of old were looking for a divine messiah.
@josephfox9221
@josephfox9221 22 күн бұрын
its amazing how far AI has come. not once did it have to say "as a large language model" like Chat GPT does
@ydambi4334
@ydambi4334 6 күн бұрын
If you address it’s very self it would highly indeed, or ask it to do something it cannot. AI is still a product so it has liability it has to account for, which is why companies will always program it to say it is just a x and y model and can only do this for you. Cmon bro lol Also “how far AI has come” bro this was not a show of progress they are programmed to say that, it’s not a matter of technology or improved progress 😭
@jacobsanchezbejarano9550
@jacobsanchezbejarano9550 16 күн бұрын
The AI doesn't understand humility. Submission of the Son to the will of the Father is the greatest example of humility. He made the will of the Father, He gave all the glory to the Father. Perfect humility, for that reason God put His Son at His right hand in His throne, and gave Him all power and authority. The Father gives testimony of His Son. The Son gives testimony of the Father. The Holy Ghost gives testimony of the Father and the Son.
@deborahsmith5285
@deborahsmith5285 14 күн бұрын
This is a good reason why the Trinity doesn't work. YHWH is the only true and living God; there is no one like Him; there is nothing too hard for Him.
@simitaiwo4798
@simitaiwo4798 10 күн бұрын
@@deborahsmith5285Trinity works perfectly 1. God 2. God has a spirit which means the spirit is still God 3. God spirits formed flesh , which means still God. It’s the same God that has a spirit that formed flesh . In Judaism God has always had an inseparable spirit. Islam comes to contradicts Gods nature even when 4:171 clearly states that Allah has a spirit and he breathes that spirit upon Mary womb to form a pure boy that will be a sign and mercy to mankind.
@seasquawker
@seasquawker 4 күн бұрын
Isaiah 48:16
@mattmangano5863
@mattmangano5863 Күн бұрын
​@@deborahsmith5285So, if there's "nothing too hard for Him" based on your words, then He can do what you're saying He can't do (be a Trinity)
@LightStrikeYT
@LightStrikeYT 17 сағат бұрын
Oh I’m sorry, what would happen to a country if the country just directly forgives everyone of their crimes? It would crumble very very easily.
@fredsalfa
@fredsalfa 5 күн бұрын
That was very interesting!
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 5 күн бұрын
Glad you think so!
@belindagriffin5868
@belindagriffin5868 5 күн бұрын
I noticed halfway thru the muslim AI stopped quoting the Quran and started using Bible scriptures.
@raulmartinez429
@raulmartinez429 Күн бұрын
Because the Koran lack of information and a true divine solid foundation. So the Muslim AI had to use the true divine source of life = the Bible 😁
@school-replacement
@school-replacement Күн бұрын
Bro said The Bible is corrupted and then started using Bible verses.
@rxyy4ne560
@rxyy4ne560 Күн бұрын
@@school-replacement if someone believes in a book, then you would use that book to show that their belief is flawed, even if that book is corrupted because it is stupid to use a book A to show that book B is corrupt when you can just use the corrupted parts of book B to show that book B is corrupted and flawed. This stupid argeument of "oh you think the bible is corrupt then why use it to prove your point?" You live your whole life abiding by this book, why would you believe the quran if i used quranic verses if you dont believe in it? It seems christians cant think their arguements through,.
@jixxytrix1705
@jixxytrix1705 Күн бұрын
@@rxyy4ne560 No, when book B claims to be a continuation, a sequel, to book A you present the many inconsistencies between the books. For that you will need book A. Both Mohammed and Jesus do that. Jesus claims to be the fulfillment of the Old Testament And I can easily show you how He fulfills the Old Testament. Here are prophecies detailing the Messiah...... 'the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel' (God with us) (Isaiah 7:14) 'For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace' (Isaiah 9:6) And also..... 'He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned-every one-to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all' (Isaiah 53) A.ka Jesus Christ, The Son of God
@ironwox
@ironwox Күн бұрын
Cause the Bible contradicts itself.
@decolongon2012
@decolongon2012 15 күн бұрын
In every sin you made, there is always a price to pay. In every transgression you have done, there is a consequence to be paid, you may be forgiven but you must pay the price.. but thanks to Jesus, he paid it all..
@hannahbananashorts
@hannahbananashorts Күн бұрын
In the Videos of human muslims vs Christians, you notice how 9 times out of 10 the muslims start screaming while the Christians stay calm and loving… weird.
@peteypete3597
@peteypete3597 Күн бұрын
This is silly. You don't find God with logic and computers. You feel it with your soul.
@ChefBoyYeshua
@ChefBoyYeshua 15 күн бұрын
As hilarious as this AI "civility" is, it certainly portrays our own reality, perfectly. Just in the first 6 minutes alone, a Muslim making an argument, receiving an answer, then asking the same question again with a few different words just to get the same answer a different but identical way, lmao. This is the reality of debating a Muslim. Bravo 👏
@Daltron5K
@Daltron5K 15 күн бұрын
#facts
@NightmareRex6
@NightmareRex6 15 күн бұрын
yea i woulda deducted points everytime a narrative is recycled. its true becuase bible/koran says so! it says its true! but what about that politition that says they talk only truth so thats true for that corrupt politition too?....
@thepatriot7112
@thepatriot7112 15 күн бұрын
the Tora was complete before islam existed and the Tora does not mention allah. Christians are not to reconcile anything to any part of kuran. Christ did as he did to teach People how to live as a child of God.
@CricketRodeo
@CricketRodeo 4 күн бұрын
I'm not sure how the point allotment was decided but I think this was a great idea for a video!
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 4 күн бұрын
much appreciated. in the first 20 seconds i put on screen the criteria, it's not up long, i figured those who wanted to read it might pause the video... also, i'm working on followup videos so subscribe if you want to see more :)
@CricketRodeo
@CricketRodeo 4 күн бұрын
@@JonOleksiuk yes I did actually pause the video on that criteria.... I'm just not sure how the AI decides how many points out of 10 per section (when it scores a total 44 vs. a 42 for example), based on the answers. It seems to get into somewhat subjective territory at that point, like a teacher grading a paper, so that's why I was wondering how that AI was programmed to mark. I will subscribe to see more videos like this - thanks!:)
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 4 күн бұрын
i agree it seemed arbitrary at times but i decided not to interfere. next video i plan to use 10+ different models to see if more a concensus forms.
@CricketRodeo
@CricketRodeo 4 күн бұрын
@@JonOleksiuk awesome. Thanks for replying and explaining that! :)
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 3 күн бұрын
no worries.
@TheSonShines4ever
@TheSonShines4ever 4 күн бұрын
This AI debate on the divinity of Jesus is very intriguing. However, a glaring limitation, in my opinion, is that all the AIs assume the authority and truth of the Bible and Quran without providing context on deeper details such as historical authenticity, hermeneutics, and linguistics. I must say I enjoy hearing such a discourse between parties who aren't at each other's throats. I would definitely be interested in hearing more. Some topics I would be interested in are: Did Jesus exist? Does God exist? I would like to hear a debate based strictly on vetted, factual information. I know it's a stretch, but I would love it if you could make that happen.
@tomcahill7056
@tomcahill7056 16 күн бұрын
Saul became Paul sticking to the Christian Jesus until the end
@noahwamalwa4385
@noahwamalwa4385 17 күн бұрын
it is embarrassment of extraordinary proportions for muslim to claim the bible has been changed when their prophet took an oath using the torah
@aalileghari6195
@aalileghari6195 16 күн бұрын
That's just false statements.
@Mickey-is2xu
@Mickey-is2xu 15 күн бұрын
You are 100 procent right Tru story, Jezus is god And not a profeet Moslims think Jezus is a Moslims Did Jezus take the sahada I dont tink so I no fore sure God blesss you 1❤
@Mickey-is2xu
@Mickey-is2xu 15 күн бұрын
I no fore sure that Jezus did not Thake the shahada At that time the qoran was no where to find
@jackflaxton5937
@jackflaxton5937 15 күн бұрын
The problem is, Muslims don't actually read their own Qu'ran, because they say: "Bible and Torah were corrupted/changed by men." Which is in disagreement with their god "Allah", who says: 1) "Torah and Bible are the word of God" (Qur'an Surah 2:41, 3:3, 5:43-48). 2) "Words of God cannot be corrupted" (Qur'an Surah 6:115, 18:27). 3) Jesus says "I am the Way, The Truth, and The Life, no man can come to the Father except through me" (Bible, John 14:6). 4) If you believe the Qu'ran, you must then believe the Bible - which then cancels the Qu'ran. A true Muslim is an ex-Muslim.
@Imperialmonke
@Imperialmonke 13 күн бұрын
@@jackflaxton5937the fact that you clearly didnt do further research or even look at the tafseer for these basic answers shows your competence. Go on and search up the clear tafseer and answers to your “contridictions”.
@PulpitFriendship
@PulpitFriendship 4 күн бұрын
Okay -- I want one !!! Where can I get the Christian AI ??
@TheMouseMusician
@TheMouseMusician 3 күн бұрын
How does ai interpret figurative speech?
@Ali_o.O
@Ali_o.O 17 күн бұрын
Next debate Muslim AI Vs ex-muslim AI.
@chrisazure1624
@chrisazure1624 16 күн бұрын
The quran claims to affirm the Torah. Ignoring the sacrificial system is an inconsistency
@rafaeljonathanmonterrosoca8400
@rafaeljonathanmonterrosoca8400 12 күн бұрын
You are right because Islam claims falsely claims as Abraham who offered Isaac as a sacrifice to God!!
@chrisazure1624
@chrisazure1624 12 күн бұрын
@@rafaeljonathanmonterrosoca8400 The Quran does not claim Abraham offered Issac. The Quran completely ignores the Mosaic sacrificial system while claiming Moses as its prophet.
@theKellyG
@theKellyG 3 күн бұрын
What logic did you use to program the impartial judge? Did you use western thought patterns or eastern?
@GazBC4U
@GazBC4U 3 күн бұрын
White.
@jimmybeans1175
@jimmybeans1175 3 күн бұрын
@@GazBC4Uyou can make one yourself if you prefer.
@mattlittleton5137
@mattlittleton5137 2 күн бұрын
Both eastern and western logic
@theKellyG
@theKellyG 2 күн бұрын
@@jimmybeans1175 I am just asking for transparency. I think the imaginary wish granting sky genie is a farce to begin with.
@davidveraruiz9249
@davidveraruiz9249 2 күн бұрын
Jesús Christ isn’t a white or western belief
@moysfilms6686
@moysfilms6686 5 күн бұрын
Where can I get this AI?
@emilianohermosilla3996
@emilianohermosilla3996 12 күн бұрын
Fascinating, there was a lack of more sources from their own camps as well as the other side's camp, also some repetition of arguments but this truly was a great display. Thank you so much 😉
@LittleRedBooklets
@LittleRedBooklets 6 күн бұрын
Amazing work my friend. When is the next AI debate?? I’m hooked! 😅
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 6 күн бұрын
AMAZING, thanks for the encouraging note. this is a weekend/evenings hobby for me.... i'm trying to get the next one out as soon as i can. Hopefully by end of week, consider subscribing so you don't miss it!
@jbeard3390
@jbeard3390 2 күн бұрын
​@JonOleksiuk i need a video of how you set this ai up. I would like to add that ai's need to set context and can only use verses once but can use a verse twice if the other ai uses their one use the other could reference it and some other rules
@ChaseAkin-kd6rq
@ChaseAkin-kd6rq Күн бұрын
If you still have access to these AI arrays, please ask one more question. ARE THE DIFFERENCES WORTH GOING TO WAR AND RISKING ACCIDENTAL MURDER?, OR SHOULD DISCUSSION CONTINUE UNTIL THE TRUTH IS DISCOVERED?
@alexandrabreen5545
@alexandrabreen5545 3 күн бұрын
It’s very interesting because in the second round it does not really quote the Quran match at all
@chriswilliams-oh8yq
@chriswilliams-oh8yq 17 күн бұрын
Its very interesting how by the end of the 1st discussion, the muslim ai was essentially the same question again and again, why would God need a sacrifice. The Christian AI says its because of Sin and Death, making the conversion abit cyclical.
@williambillycraig1057
@williambillycraig1057 19 күн бұрын
This was the best Muslim debater I have ever heard.
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 19 күн бұрын
Can you explain a little bit more why you felt that?
@Noxictyz
@Noxictyz 19 күн бұрын
All it claimed was corruption. But the qouran is not perfectly preserved. Hadiths tell of 7 different recitations (Quirat), Uthman burned those writings and modern muslim scholars refuse talking about it because it is embarrassing.
@Kingbattle808
@Kingbattle808 18 күн бұрын
@@JonOleksiukTo keep it simple, the Ai actually answers the questions lol
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 18 күн бұрын
@@Kingbattle808 yeah, it's definitely frustrating when debaters avoid opponent's questions so part of the configuration for these models was ... "I directly answer the question addressed to me"
@user-oo9oi1ue4n
@user-oo9oi1ue4n 17 күн бұрын
​@@Noxictyz see DCCI there's 26 or 37 now?.. 😊
@YeshuaHaMashiach
@YeshuaHaMashiach 5 күн бұрын
Sweet video.
@Ryl3925
@Ryl3925 3 күн бұрын
On a sidenote why does a computer have a more civil conversation than humans
@samrothe1076
@samrothe1076 12 күн бұрын
Thank you so much for this. What a wonderful starting point for conversations about Jesus' divinity.
@KillaDot909
@KillaDot909 3 күн бұрын
Honestly, feels like they're talking about the same thing, but with different perspectives. Comparable to someone saying the sky is blue, and the other saying that the sky is not inherently blue
@kproductions9963
@kproductions9963 3 күн бұрын
Oo oo . Now do a Disney Star Wars and pre- Disney Star Wars debate ! 😂😂
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 3 күн бұрын
😂
@BigIdeaSeeker
@BigIdeaSeeker 22 күн бұрын
lol, the Lord of the universe won by a mere 18 points. This from an AI that simply accepts authority of the scriptures of two world religions, seemingly without question.
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 17 күн бұрын
oh my gosh, in youtube comments it shows that you've been subscribed to my channel for 10 years. Thanks for coming back for this video (the idea is a work in progress) and commenting.
@NightmareRex6
@NightmareRex6 15 күн бұрын
peaople always call him "god of heaven and earth" notice they always leave out hell, in which 99% human population resides :(. yea god is "love" and nothing but "love"......
@Smooth17727
@Smooth17727 14 күн бұрын
@@NightmareRex6 What gives the idea that most humans are in a bad place? It is rather disturbing to think most humans would go to a place of suffering for eternity, but the purgatory and grace ideas sound hopeful.
@ZombieChicken-X
@ZombieChicken-X 4 күн бұрын
@@NightmareRex6 Hell is the absence of God
@basedbuz
@basedbuz 6 күн бұрын
A video on his you did this would be awesome. Especially between different theologians
@gavinmickwee8853
@gavinmickwee8853 3 күн бұрын
Love how the AI jumps from Old to New Testament as if they are the same thing.
@peterdavis9403
@peterdavis9403 22 сағат бұрын
"All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight..." 2 Tim 3:16
@gavinjames1145
@gavinjames1145 18 күн бұрын
Considering that the Qur'an is mostly based on Judeo-Christian sources, and a syncretism thereof, which affirms Jesus's virgin birth and status of Messiah, as being a prophet and Word of God, of having healed and performed miracles, was taken up to be with God, and will return to judge the world (but _apparently_ denying his death by crucifixion and being the Son of God), it should be no surprise that the Christian AI should have the small advantage over the Muslim AI.
@makeytgreatagain6256
@makeytgreatagain6256 16 күн бұрын
If the Christian AI used the Quran it would have easily been an 100 point lead for Christian AI. The Quran makes statements that are contradictory and a historical like the death of Jesus. The Quran also states Allahs word cannot be altered destroying the “courruption” of the bible and Torah false. As I said the Muslim AI unironically had the best advantage it could have been given….
@gavinjames1145
@gavinjames1145 16 күн бұрын
@@makeytgreatagain6256 I agree 100%. The Muslim AI could also pick faults with the Old and New Testaments; especially as it seems to me that it was fully aware of the Dawah script. Like you, I was continually picking fault with the Muslim AI, which seemed to give very surface-level answers.
@makeytgreatagain6256
@makeytgreatagain6256 16 күн бұрын
@@gavinjames1145 Yes i agree with you but the "Faults" within the Old testement also apply to the Quran so those arguments get destroyed infact the OT actually confirms the NT concept of the Trinity. The only negative things Muslims could say about the OT is some of the less PG 12 rated events like the genoices and wars/punishments for the Moasaic law. But christians dont follow Moasaic law which is why i dont know why muslim use these examples as it doesnt invalidate our faith i guess they use it to justiy Islams barbaric doctrines i suppose lol. I debate muslims a lot myself but im ceartain if they allowed the AI to grab from the Quran and OT then im sure the difference would be a score of at least 100 in favour of christianity tbh
@ebcsecurity9490
@ebcsecurity9490 9 күн бұрын
How Christians bet their souls on an unpreserved book with unknown authors and interpolated text even their highest scholars admit to is beyond amazingly arrogant pride. If that same standard was used as evidence against any of them in the court of law for any criminal prosecution, they would cry the court system is unjust and corrupt LMAO. The irony is the hereafter is a bigger prison than they would face here on earth lol.
@ebcsecurity9490
@ebcsecurity9490 9 күн бұрын
Here are names of Gods throughout history that are said to have died and resurrected. OSIRIS An Egyptian, Ethiopian, Sudanese God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 5,000 YEARS before Jesus. HORUS An Egyptian, Ethiopian, Sudanese God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 3,000 YEARS before Jesus. BUDDHA An Indian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 600 YEARS before Jesus. KRISHNA An Indian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 900 YEARS before Jesus.. ZARATHUSTRA An Iranian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 1,000 YEARS before Jesus. HERCULES A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 800 YEARS before Jesus. MITHRA An Iranian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 600 YEARS before Jesus. DIONYSUS A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 500 YEARS before Jesus.. THAMMUZ A Babylonian God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 2,000 YEARS before Jesus. HERMES A Greek God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 200 YEARS before Jesus. ADONIS A Phoenician God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 200 YEARS before Jesus. JESUS CHRIST A Roman God. He was said to have been crucified, he died and resurrected 1-30 AD.
@yhwhlungs
@yhwhlungs 6 күн бұрын
Great video, I hope you make more! You should do a free-for-all with the most popular religion with this format. Include, athiesm and agnostic. Just for fun.
@JonOleksiuk
@JonOleksiuk 6 күн бұрын
currently working on the next one! thanks for the note and consider subscribing :)
@timtincher1450
@timtincher1450 2 күн бұрын
Watch PASTOR GINO JENNINGS debate with a pack of Muslim brothers. THAT is a real debate, and good points on both sides. Yet Jesus gets the glory, in reason and in truth.
@esewed1980
@esewed1980 Күн бұрын
An AI atheist could smoke them both with two words, "prove it".
@AmadeusN.R.
@AmadeusN.R. Күн бұрын
And I said, prove it that God didn't create this world 🤔
@esewed1980
@esewed1980 Күн бұрын
@AmadeusN.R. doesn't work that way. I would not be the one making claims of magic and fairy tales like they were fact.
@elvingonzalez7551
@elvingonzalez7551 16 күн бұрын
Why is AI Muslim using Bible and not Koran! 😮 Why can't the Koran be use to refute christian faith. Is Koran not sufficient to defend its position about Jesus. Ai Muslim should use its own muslim source.
@Yassine3333222222
@Yassine3333222222 8 күн бұрын
We cannot know the truth if each one is using their own book. We know the truth if each person is refuting the claim of the other using the other book.
@howardpowell9673
@howardpowell9673 8 күн бұрын
Exactly
@1brooklyn718
@1brooklyn718 7 күн бұрын
Muslims read the Bible lol the question is ,Is Jesus God ? And not do Muslims believe in Jesus? or the Bible ? lol 😂those are other questions people assume 😅
@arisuaozora
@arisuaozora 6 күн бұрын
Because if they use the Quran then they need to use the Hadith which unreliable hearsays . Sahih Al Bukari 230-232 for example
@DavidRodriguez-vp2gl
@DavidRodriguez-vp2gl 5 күн бұрын
I am not an expert, but in short: 1. Jews only read Jewish texts (the Torah). 2. Christians only read Jewish and Greek texts (the Bible). 3. Muslims can read any of the three sources, though credit the Koran as higher authority (that is a guess on my part but mostly true).
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