It's 16 😊 I did more digging 😊

would be nice to know what he thinks about Paul's letters, ie, whether they were genuine, when they were written, and to what extent they describe real events.

SO happy for you!!!

Me too

Your mind has been poisoned by the “God of this World”, that is Satan.

Me too. Screw that mind poison.

if you call yourself free... what does that yin yang simbol means for you bro? :3 just asking. regards.

Haha! I just recently had a similar experience, so sadly, I can relate..

Well, you dodged a bullet then, well done! You should use that strategy as a kind of initial 'man suitability test' 👍👍👋

I put a plastic sticker on the bumper of my car. It was a fish with legs with the name DARWIN under it.

thank God he walked out...

That's a good way to weed out the incompatible people.

ppl are weak, they need someone to hold tight to. spirituality is natural but they cant tell one from the other.

I believe they want another life after death. This is one way in their mnds to get this.

we were created that way, its simple :3 many think and believe they are not religious, but we all somehow believe in something as it were a fact, it heals our mind instead of THINKING about it for real... About worshipping well, we are a kind who loves to follow the herd, what we called society, so many of us are raised this way, at home, at school, and so on. We are trained to behave in a certain way in certain situations, we are tained animals :3 and thats why in shot BECAUSE MANY OF US BELIEVE AND WORSHIP THINGS LIKE "DEATH, THE SUN, SAINTS, VIRGINS, gods and so on..." regards.

People want to try to explain the things they still don't understand. Imagine being born a long time ago, when nobody knew why the sun rose & set every day, let alone what the sun really was, or what causes natural phenomenon like rain & tornados. Somebody said it was "the gods" or the "Great Spirit," and the idea caught on so much that they started thinking they needed human sacrifices just to make it rain, or to prevent a volcano from erupting. Did it work? I don't think so. But people are still trying to find the answers.

It is been studied in psychology. Humans have a need to believe. Say you hear a noise in the bushes and your instincts tell you it is a leopard, you are safer believing it is than not and finding out it actually was. When a story is told that threatens your very existence and for eternity, you want to be safe.

it fits right into your death cult mentality of being an atheist.

Rediculas.. Jesus did existed looked around

@@cassandra43113 Why defend Jesus with Garbel ?

​@@cassandra43113 Please invest in a dictionary.

The future will be very warm.

You're lucky. I was stuck until I was 19.

boy u was young

I was into science as a tot. Never believed the religion thing for one second.

Me too.

If someone is on hallucinogens w Marijuana then talking snakes and donkeys makes perfect sense

@@brettforseth3276 Either that or they are having a brain aneurism.

If I recall that damn snake also was walking too. 😂😂😄🤣😂

because you saw it on jootube

@@brettforseth3276 you keep speaking about your limited experience in the comments.

No! Ken is funny & interesting but Dr. Richard Carrier PhD IS the best!

@@ghostriders_1 I bet Socrates, Plato and Aristotle never existed. Julius Caesar was probably just a statue. Augustus Caesar was another "Son of God," so he didn't exist either. Seneca? He was just a cartoon. Origen and Justin Martyr were likely comic book heroes. George Washington never existed either. The CIA just made up Washington and Jefferson like they made up the moon landing. Marilyn Monroe didn't really die of a barbiturate overdose, because she didn't really exist. Hollywood stars were just early lifelike animated AI bots created by Disney. What could be more obvious? You know, life is really just a hologram. I'm not sure we exist either. But popular book peddlers are real. Those book peddlers will say anything to idiots for money.

@@scottmcloughlin4371 lightweight sarcasm is not evidence or argument. Some you mention did exist, some probably not. Your no comedian just an empty cynic. Time to grow up & show some real interest in the topic.

The god of the bible is not omni-potent and not omni-benevolent ,these attributes were given to him by theologians way later than the Old test ,and later even than the new test. The god of the bible is not omniscient either ,he finds out Adam and Eve ate the fruit after they do it and he has to search for them through the garden ,if he was omniscient he would know directly where to find them without searching. From the beginning of the story the first thing we learn if that god is not omni-potent ,takes him 6 days to make reality (instead of an instant) and than he has to REST. etc. You are making a strawmen argument asking them about an omnipotent god when the god of the bible is limited in potency. I am atheist also btw.

I guess this the reason why Islam does not need a middleman to reach God.

From what I've learned, the atonement system somehow underlined the severity of breaking the relationship with God. If there's no sanction, then who cares. And death is quite a prominent penalty. First we had animals as substitute sacrifices, then, theologically speaking, the God-man himself. But it was not just for blood. Jesus was like, "now that I have your attention, be aware that the blood system sucks. God needs no more blood, He needs you to share his values. I need it. So no more strict rules but a decent spiritual moral. I offer you the guidelines, and my mercy covers the rest."

@@DrIT-qv1ek I like the Sufi's because they don't seem to believe in a separate God. They experience being God themselves. Some of them get beheaded by Muslims for being heretical.

The point that REALLY made me first question the Christian god was when I thought “why does god need a human blood sacrifice to forgive our sins? If he’s subject to that law, then that law is more powerful than god! And then who made that law? It never ends. Pure stupidity.

@@baaldavid I bet Socrates, Plato and Aristotle never existed. Julius Caesar was probably just a statue. Augustus Caesar was another "Son of God," so he didn't exist either. Seneca? He was just a cartoon. Origen and Justin Martyr were likely comic book heroes. Charlemagne too. He obviously never existed. George Washington never existed either. The CIA just made up Washington and Jefferson like they made up the moon landing. Marilyn Monroe didn't really die of a barbiturate overdose, because she didn't really exist. Hollywood stars were just early lifelike animated AI bots created by Disney. What could be more obvious? You know, life is really just a hologram. I'm not sure we exist either. But popular book peddlers are real. Those book peddlers will say anything to idiots to take their money.

There is only fabricated evidence such as the shroud of Turin, that christians cling on to, unwilling to see the truth about the fabrication of their sick superstition. A supersition that makes them miserable, and yet unable to set themselves free from it.

Well CHRISTIANITY is dead good bye

the great thing about ignorance - you can free yourself from it terrific talk from ken

All of your problems will be solved in the afterlife ...A Son of Man is sitting on a white throne with power and authority ...

You're just scared the story is real.

@@johnholmesinchesahead342 They aren't, but I'm pretty sure you are. Atheists don't have an investment in whether it's true or not; if evidence comes forth that Jesus was a real person, we'd just accept it (not the divinity, just the man; divinity is a whole different category of burden of proof). But you, on the other hand, want to believe it, because you're scared of being wrong.

To be honest, not one thing that Kenneth said is new. Most clergy, if they've been adequately trained know all this stuff, but Kenneth isn't taking it to the next level, the meta-level where he might see the transcendentalist truth behind it. The famous German theologian Rudolf Bultmann said, 'Faith must never be allowed to be dependent upon the labours of a historian'. The Christ within idea is just not catered for in Kenneth's mindset.

@@Prospro8 Yeah I agree that part is useful. The earliest Christians knew Jesus was an allegorical myth and they used it as a teaching tool. It was Rome that literalized the Jesus story.. I love the teachings myself. Love God (I interpret that as loving reality) Love your neighbor, love your enemies. It really liberates you when you practice these teachings but you need the powerful non-dual experiences to really understand it, that's what Kenneth is missing, the powerful divine and mystical experiences. Who cares if there was historical Jesus walking around.

@@Prospro8 "The Christ within" you mean the bullshit within. FIFY.

No reports of reanimated corpses walking around Jerusalem, either.

the jesus of the gospels is a fictional character so saying some guy named jesus may have existed is useless - christians believe in fictional jesus they do not believe in the no body jesus that these biblical scholars claim existed - in fact historical jesus would be considered blasphemy back in the day -

​@@jamesowen4938 you are confusing historical Jesus with biblical Jesus

The old man of contemporary evidence fallacy. I suppose you also deny Hannibal, Spartacus, Rollo of Normandy, Muhammed, Leif Erikson, etc. Etc. They have less contemporary evidence than Jesus.

@@rogeriopenna9014 Bullshit, The difference is Jesus is taken from a totally different reference class (mythological gods) anyways. There is plenty of contemporary/near contemporary records/archeology for loads of historical figures. None for Jesus.

what scholarship guy doesn't even know he was never named Jesus. That's a modern invention.

Now what was Jesus doing in a boat with 12 young men, even teenagers, and 5 gallons or so of olive oil? 🤔 These stories rapidly get very suspicious once you have a rational, non-miraculous way of achieving these "miracles"!

Mustard seeds do exist but they produce mustard greens, never trees.

We grow mustard greens every year.

I remember hearing about it from the Joe Rogan podcast. Yeah sounds interesting. As a mushroom user myself I can totally see it as a possibility. Mushrooms are powerful hallucinogens. But I can't read it, it's above my abilities..

​@@edwardmiessner6502if you Google mustard plants you'll see that they can be very tall spindly bushes that are invasive plants. They're not trees but are more than just greens like spinach. Just be careful with stone if these things so you don't lose your credibility. BTW there is more than one type of mustard plant.

I agree 💯

@@ima1sthuemanonearth91 The books of the bible are not pictures. I bet Socrates, Plato and Aristotle never existed. Julius Caesar was probably just a statue. Augustus Caesar was another "Son of God," so he didn't exist either. Seneca? He was just a cartoon. Origen and Justin Martyr were likely comic book heroes. Charlemagne too. He obviously never existed. George Washington never existed either. The CIA just made up Washington and Jefferson like they made up the moon landing. Marilyn Monroe didn't really die of a barbiturate overdose, because she didn't really exist. Hollywood stars were just early lifelike animated AI bots created by Disney. What could be more obvious? You know, life is really just a hologram. I'm not sure we exist either. But popular book peddlers are real. Those book peddlers will say anything to idiots to take their money.

excess? very excessive and more and more and more no one survives well

Yes, and that's how you have Jesus hard to crack stuff

@@scottmcloughlin4371the moon landed was fake and we have proof marilyn existed

He couldn't answer my question as to why donkeys have a cross on their backs.

@@johnholmesinchesahead342 lol I hope that's a joke

IKR? snakes talking to women? magic trees? Is that supposed to be serious?

And lo from his hands he did produce the wine of the grain, and they did partake and were filled with the spirit, and He said, "It is good," as they both ascended into the Heavens.

That, or create the first "Industrial Complex".

and still missed a few, like the objective impossibility of miracles.

If you believe hard enough....😉😅🤷🏻‍♀️

Historians agree that there is not one written eyewitness account of Jesus during his lifetime. Strange since he was famous at birth, because wise men expected to see the future king of Jews who was born from a virgin married mother. Every leading Christian scholar since Erasmus, five hundred years ago, has maintained that the gospels were originally written in Greek from 70 to 140 CE (Mark after the year 70, Luke about 110, Matthew about 130, and John no earlier than 140 CE). This proves that they were not written by Christ's apostles, disciples or by any of the early Christians. Others say: “There is no proof of the Gospels existing before 130 CE” Jesus is depicted as hugely popular in the gospels. Yet he is unrecorded by non-Biblical historians. Paul was the first one to write about Jesus around 60CE; but he, like everyone else, never saw Jesus. He experienced a vision of the resurrected Jesus. Even Paul’s existence is in serious doubt. John Gresham Machen wrote: The establishment of Christianity as a world religion, to almost as great an extent as any great historical movement can be ascribed to one man, was the work of Paul. I also read that the history of the first three popes was invented because they never existed. All myth! Seek the truth!

Tiberius Julius Alexander was Titus’ chief of staff and watched as the temple was sacked. He wrote under pseudonym Josephus and is the founder of the Xian religion. Josephus’ biography is a fiction.

@@charlesbrowne9590 Josephus clearly is of Flavian and Herodian stock just like Vaspasian was and some people even place Titus as Josephus’ cousin. They are the pens behind Peter and Paul, with Paul attributed to the works of Pliny the Younger Josephus’ foster brother. However looking at these works, they will have been done by a literary team not one man or even two and yes Ur Markus and Ur Mattheus Gould be the q documents but they stem back to Seneca and the first attempt to write a global religion. There are multiple real Jesuses and they are spoken about, preachers and high priests. Then there is the gospel Jesus and the whole thing is actually the cruellest most scathing mockery of Judaism ever. It’s offensive and deliberately so. I would say that everything except for the Pentateuch is written by a Greek and Roman pens.

@@TheInterestedObserver Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I agree that the NT was written by a team of intellectuals with ready access to Jewish and Greek literature. I’ll bet it was written at the Great Library of Alexandria! The Library sought all the books of the world, so they might have had the entire corpus of Xian literature. This would have been a big problem for the church. Xians were called “the people of the book”. One advantage of the book over the scroll is that changes can be made by replacing a single page rather than the entire manuscript. Also, mass production of books is easier than with scrolls: each scribe need only copy one page many times.

Interesting

god wants us to be FREE so he tosses us into hell for not kissing his butt. Yeah that makes sense.

I've never been able to wrap my head around how eternal punishment can ever be justified for finite crimes some of which can be debated as to why they should even be crimes at all. The far too extreme nature of the Christian after life drove me away from the faith, as it would anyone who managed to overcome the brainwashing tool that is "faith."

All those loving Christians. Aren’t they wonderful. 😂

You were threatened by a Bible? I guess it would hurt if someone threw it at you. 😂😂😂

@@JohnHoulgate the whole point of the bible (both books) is to threaten peasants into submission.

No hate like Christian love.

That’s because you can’t prove something that is not true. We Jews are still here, yet xtians spit on us and worship an imaginative character they claim was Jewish….. 😂😂😂😂 we are the suffering servant, suffering from xtians delusion and thirst for 🩸 in the name of their dream man.

god has hands? how about a dick? an az hole? and how exactly would you know any of this?

From what I've discovered, Flavius Josephus was a pseudonym for the main author of the NT. Aka Ar/rius Pi so.

Or he wrote the thing as is and in the next two passages subtly demonstrated the utter falsity of Christianity. I'm not even sure that the TF doesn't contain a subtle hint that Jesus never existed.

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@@MMaximuSS1975 it's worth paying a few bugs a month to get rids of the adds, totally different experience 😁👍

Yeah because u know JESUS wasn't real 😊

Oh puleeeese. Self aggrandising bull crap is still shit.

"his invisible attributes...have been clearly perceived" lol what a load

Intriguing. What's your basic premise?

Oh magic exists, lol, and requires no group or leader.

I’m at 50-50 but definitely think Christian’s used Greek, Roman and Egyptian concepts to create a greater god than all.

Martin Luther king also never existed...it was propaganda

@@kingofdetroit358 wow you are a fool

@@kingofdetroit358 Martin Luther was a moron. Martin Luther King was real and a far better human than Martin Luther we have evidence . There isn’t a single piece of evidence that the buybull is right about anything.

@@kirkmarshall2853 sure buddy...n Lisa Ann never took a dp right?

I'm glad I'm not a CHRISTIAN 😊

They are crazy, lol. The Jews invented the Jesus myth to quell a rebellion.

Life of Brian is a documentary

I agree 😊

Here's the fishy story of Saul's/Paul's conversion. 🐟 Acts 9:3-8 "3 Now as he was going along and approaching Damascus, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" 5 He asked, "Who are you, Lord?" The reply came, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. 6 But get up and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do." 7 The men who were traveling with him stood speechless because they heard the voice but saw no one. 8 Saul got up from the ground, and though his eyes were open, he could see nothing; so they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus." 2 Maccabees 3:23-28 "23 Heliodorus went on with what had been decided. 24 But when he arrived at the treasury with his bodyguard, then and there the Sovereign of spirits and of all authority caused so great a manifestation that all who had been so bold as to accompany him were astounded by the power of God, and became faint with terror. 25 For there appeared to them a magnificently caparisoned horse, with a rider of frightening mien; it rushed furiously at Heliodorus and struck at him with its front hoofs. Its rider was seen to have armor and weapons of gold. 26 Two young men also appeared to him, remarkably strong, gloriously beautiful and splendidly dressed, who stood on either side of him and flogged him continuously, inflicting many blows on him. 27 When he suddenly fell to the ground and deep darkness came over him, his men took him up, put him on a stretcher, 28 and carried him away - this man who had just entered the aforesaid treasury with a great retinue and all his bodyguard but was now unable to help himself. They recognized clearly the sovereign power of God." Acts 9:17-19 "17 So Ananias went and entered the house. He laid his hands on Saul and said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on your way here, has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18 And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes, and his sight was restored. Then he got up and was baptized,19 and after taking some food, he regained his strength. For several days he was with the disciples in Damascus, 20 and immediately he began to proclaim Jesus in the synagogues, saying, "He is the Son of God."' Tobit 11:7-8, :11-15a "7 Raphael said to Tobias, before he had approached his father, "I know that his eyes will be opened. 8 Smear the gall of the fish on his eyes; the medicine will make the white films shrink and peel off from his eyes, and your father will regain his sight and see the light."' "11 with the gall of the fish in his hand, and holding him firmly, he blew into his eyes, saying, "Take courage, father." With this he applied the medicine on his eyes, 12 and it made them smart. 13 Next, with both his hands he peeled off the white films from the corners of his eyes. Then Tobit saw his son and threw his arms around him, 14 and he wept and said to him, "I see you, my son, the light of my eyes!" Then he said, "Blessed be God, and blessed be his great name, and blessed be all his holy angels. May his holy name be blessed throughout all the ages. 15 Though he afflicted me, he has had mercy upon me. Now I see my son Tobias!"' 2 Maccabees 3:34-36 "34 And see that you, who have been flogged by heaven, report to all people the majestic power of God." Having said this they vanished. 35 Then Heliodorus offered sacrifice to the Lord and made very great vows to the Savior of his life, and having bidden Onias farewell, he marched off with his forces to the king. 36 He bore testimony to all concerning the deeds of the supreme God, which he had seen with his own eyes." "The use of cycles, parallels, repetitions, melodramatic characterization, stereotyped scene construction, inventing or presenting stories that replicate biblical narrative, unbalanced narrative with evident symbolic import, and a balanced structure-all these raise insurmountable objections. History cannot be quite so symmetrical. In addition there are any number of historical problems." Richard Pervo, The Mystery of Acts, pp. 151 Note: In Acts nowhere does the authorities show concern that a convicted criminal (Jesus) escaped justice, and is being harbored by what could be perceived as rebels against the government.

Straight out of Homer's Odyssey.

An obvious mimesis of Virgil's Aenaeus - Dennis R. MacDonald

it's relevant to historians. whether he was a god is irrelevant. gods don't exist.

We wouldn’t have had Pauls letters unless it had been for Marcion. Thomas L Brodie Dominican priest makes a good point that the Elijah Elisha narratives play a huge part in the gospel narratives . Interesting thing , Brodie came to the conclusion neither Paul nor Jesus existed historically.

@@chriskelty1943 But Paul had to exist to make Jesus up

@@lutkedog1if you read some of Thomas L Brodies reasoning, not necessarily. He also came to the firm conclusion neither Jesus nor Paul likely existed. A lot of the narrative of Paul’s life has been traced to borrowed material from other narratives of some Greek writers . The story of his shipwreck also looks suspiciously like a borrowing from another well known circulating story about a shipwrecked hero and their travels .

@@chriskelty1943 Borrowed material is the Bible but i realize i might not be able to prove Paul maybe his letters to the churches have some validity?

And Richard Pervo has demonstrated that Acts is an obvious fiction, written in the Second Century. We have to glean possible history from it by the truthiness of the narrative of each pericope or passage. Then there are Paul's letters that are filled with lies... 🤔

everyone here knows more about Bart Ehrman than you do. His arguments for Jesus' historicity are weak.

No I don’t think that.

Someone wrote the letters, so you might as well call him Paul.

@@downenout8705 I would say so.

Paul was a real guy...but he invented his own bogus bio. Paul probably killed the dude that the Jesus character was very loosely based on.

​@@downenout8705Pliny the Younger wrote as Paul.

not if you realize gods are human creations

That's because they are both the same thing. It's only the point of references that are changing thru the component of time.

What references do you think are that much later? Obviously, if the texts were edited then there could have been references to later figures that aren't in the texts we have, but then you wouldn't see that from the texts we have. And there wasn't anywhere near 1000 years to edit it. We've got fragments of 2nd century manuscripts and can cobble together complete texts from the 3rd. There are definitely copying errors and some larger differences, but nothing like what you're suggesting. (And if it did all start 100 years later, then there would be even less time to clean up the texts.)

Paul is the only relevant source on Jesus' historicity. If his letters are properly dated to the mid 1st century, there was obviously a Jesus cult in existence at that time.

It's all fiction bro.

@@QuestionThingsUseLogic , I’m so happy to tell you that you are wrong! Jesus is Alive! He loves you. He knows every hair on your head… He knitted you in your Mother’s womb. You are precious to Him . I am going to pray for you. May God Bless you and your family 🙏🏽🙌🏽☝🏾

@@BubbylovesJesus there's no evidence jesus existed. He's based on Dionysus....a wine god.

@@QuestionThingsUseLogic , Jesus changed TIME ! He raised the dead… healed the sick..gave vision to the blind… casted out demons and so much more! These accounts were witnessed by thousands. No one else has ever done what Jesus did and still does.

@@BubbylovesJesus that is all made up bullshit. Little children need to believe that, not adults.

I don't GX()Xd is ur Mother 👩🏽‍🍼

Josephus may have mentioned a different Jesus in his Antiquities 18.3.3 & 20.9.1, but then the two passages following 18.3.3 seem to debunk what we read in the offending passage. 18.3.4 discredits the idea of demigods being born of gods being intimate with women and the supposed deity of Jesus in particular, and 18.3.5 seems to call out Christianity as a scam but not by name.

Tacitus on the other hand probably referred to Chrestus who gave Jews in Rome the impulse to riot during Claudius's reign (Suetonius, Lives of the 12 Caesars: Claudius 25.4) because the manuscript evidence shows that he didn't mention Christians but rather Chréstians.

neither Josephus not Tacitus were even born when Jesus was supposedly crucified. They wouldn't know jack sht.

death. same as the trillions of other organisms that ever lived. get over it.

but you can't identify a single flaw in his analysis yawn