Jewish newspapers say Labour government would be ‘threat’ to Jewish life

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Channel 4 News

Channel 4 News

6 жыл бұрын

Britain's three main Jewish newspapers have taken the unprecedented step of going to press with an identical front page today.
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Under the headline "United we Stand", they publish the claim that a Jeremy Corbyn-led government would be an "existential threat to Jewish life" in the UK. In a moment will be discussing whether their assertion is true but first, Claire Fallon looks at what led to the move.

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@susanb4816
@susanb4816 6 жыл бұрын
Don't conflate antisemitism with anti-israel government
@Yawnymcsnore
@Yawnymcsnore 6 жыл бұрын
Corbyn lies with Radical islamic groups he is anti semetic I would be worried too
@Waltzhybrid92
@Waltzhybrid92 6 жыл бұрын
Source on that?
@kumeilbandali
@kumeilbandali 6 жыл бұрын
BestBloke It's actually the Conservative Party that is selling weapons worth billions to Saudi Arabia, a country widely regarded as radical and funds those radical ideas through out the world
@Avidcomp
@Avidcomp 6 жыл бұрын
These people are not anti-Israel government on particular policy, they are anti-Israel. The clues are in the details. i.e. refer to land as being disputed = anti-policy, but call it occupied, then it's anti-Israel. Corbyn's historical track record shows such severely poor judgement on a mind blowing scale he wouldn't be fit for government (yet alone lead). Alternatively and perhaps a little closer to the truth of where his real allegiances are. On anti-Israel statements, and again it's in the details. Arguments against are too often wildly misled. At other times when Israel does does something wrong there is hysteria. And most telling of all, when Israel does something right and good... there is silence. Pull that together and you have anti-Semitism not so thinly disguised as some obscure moral stance. Put it this way. It's easy to ask what you don't like about something Israel has done. You'll find no end of criticism broadcast from the Labour party. But how about a similar loud announcement of something wonderful from Israel. And the inverse is true regarding politicized Palestinians. There is no balance for a reason, and it goes beyond the State that is the most advanced civilization in the middle east.
@icarus877
@icarus877 6 жыл бұрын
Susan B I think you may be missing the point completely. Whether you believe Corbyn or the party are anti semetic is almost irreverent. The fact is the community faces things that it shouldn't. It is becoming increasingly clear a lot if not almost all are Corbyns or these momentum types and Corbyn instead of slamming it down has done little, infact he won't even recognise the international definition. Why is this do you think? Could it be that unfortunately for the Jewish community there are not as many of them as these nasty types beginning to get a stronger and stronger foothold in the Labour party? You have to start doing more research into the things you are trying to understand.
@shirleydonovan3581
@shirleydonovan3581 6 жыл бұрын
This is utter bollox, why blame labour , my sons are half Arabic and I couldn’t repeat what abuse they have had to put up with , did we blame anyone , NO only the racists and their racist parents .
@isaacshaul9429
@isaacshaul9429 5 жыл бұрын
Corbin is a racist
@dannydandan8495
@dannydandan8495 5 жыл бұрын
@@isaacshaul9429 Corbin might be, but Jeremy Corbyn isn't.
@shirleydonovan3581
@shirleydonovan3581 4 жыл бұрын
Alex Lawrence never heard him say anything bad about them , not in front of us anyway wouldn't have it if he did .
@shirleydonovan3581
@shirleydonovan3581 4 жыл бұрын
Alex Lawrence he doesn't actually , works with all peeps , he says " the Jews he trusts more than Arabs " Just saying racism is everywhere , do I think JC is racist NO
@shamanahaboolist
@shamanahaboolist 6 жыл бұрын
This is out and out slander. Disgusting.
@davidjones272
@davidjones272 6 жыл бұрын
shamanahaboolist it's in print so it's technically libel.
@nightowl7459
@nightowl7459 5 жыл бұрын
@@davidjones272 That's about correct, if it was actual slander there would be a lawsuit, these news channels are very careful when it comes to what they broadcast.
@wodekszeliga6263
@wodekszeliga6263 6 жыл бұрын
Free Palestine
@daviskaya100
@daviskaya100 6 жыл бұрын
NEVER!!!!
@yehudameirlipson5889
@yehudameirlipson5889 6 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%! Raze the Gaza Strip to the ground, and repopulate it with the rightful owners and heirs who were forcibly expelled in 2005.
@yehudameirlipson5889
@yehudameirlipson5889 6 жыл бұрын
And yes, Free "Palestine"-- from Hamas, Hezbollah, Fatah, the P.A., and all the rest of their barbaric cronies.
@jupiter998
@jupiter998 6 жыл бұрын
Free the UK from militants
@wodekszeliga6263
@wodekszeliga6263 6 жыл бұрын
And this is an example of disgusting antisemitism. Unlike comparing Netanyahu's policies with the policy of the third reich.
@MrAyuub22
@MrAyuub22 6 жыл бұрын
This the most obvious witch hunt ive ever seen ridiculous to say the least
@chazgirl6186
@chazgirl6186 5 жыл бұрын
That's a joke. Corbin and the Labour party are extremely antisemitic! and no human being with any respect for there fellow citizens should or could vote Labour!
@shamanahaboolist
@shamanahaboolist 6 жыл бұрын
Zionism is racism. This isn't about anti-Semitism. This is about Jewish racists preventing criticism by going on the attack.
@ozzy5628
@ozzy5628 6 жыл бұрын
Ok?
@secularhumanist6577
@secularhumanist6577 6 жыл бұрын
shamanahaboolist No, Zionism is and always has been the national independence movement of the Jewish people. If you consider this to be a racist endeavour, then you must consider all other national independence movements (Irish Republicanism, Catalonian nationalism, Palestinian nationalism, etc.) to be equally racist - assuming, of course, that you do not wish to engage in anti-Semitism by singling out Jews. Regarding criticism of the Israeli government, that’s perfectly fine. Israelis do it all the time (simply read the newspaper Ha’aretz). What’s not fine is discrediting Israel’s very foundations, holding Israel to a far higher standard to other states, and making absurd, politically-motivated comparisons to regimes such as Nazi Germany and Apartheid South Africa.
@Sephysogaku
@Sephysogaku 6 жыл бұрын
Ze'ev Jabotinsky How is that not fine? It's a matter of opinion whether contemporary Israeli policies are absurd. To criticise or ridicule Israel does not imply anti-semitism, and to allow Israel or any other state to play the prejudice card whenever people don't agree with what they are doing sets a very dangerous precedent.
@secularhumanist6577
@secularhumanist6577 6 жыл бұрын
Sephysogaku I already made the point that it’s ok to criticise Israeli government policy and actions. Doing so does not make one anti-Semitic, and scarcely anyone ever makes the claim that it does. However, what does get labelled as anti-Semitic is when one denies Jews the right to self-determination on one hand while supporting that right for other peoples (i.e., the Palestinians) on the other - this is why anti-Zionism, which is the belief that Jews do not have a right to a national existence, is often considered as a form of anti-Semitism.
@luaseast1251
@luaseast1251 6 жыл бұрын
shamanahaboolist Zionism = The right for Jewish people to have a homeland in Israel. Nothing wrong with that.
@liquidzero9779
@liquidzero9779 6 жыл бұрын
The definition they want makes criticism of Israel anti-semitic - that is unacceptable to right thinking people.
@sonykkr
@sonykkr 6 жыл бұрын
it doesn't tho - just comparisons to nazism which is totally acceptable to right thinking minds
@liquidzero9779
@liquidzero9779 6 жыл бұрын
Can anyone see the famous maps which depict the shrinking and fragmentation of Palestine from 1948 till today, and not think "Lebensraum"?
@ablackgoliath1827
@ablackgoliath1827 6 жыл бұрын
Hey jacob, how comes you didn't engage Liquid Zero? Too close to the truth?
@cmciaranmasterson
@cmciaranmasterson 6 жыл бұрын
Liquid Zero, Labour opponents of Corbyn are not intent on banning criticism of Israel - they're simply opposed to attacks on Jewish people.
@PurushaDesa
@PurushaDesa 6 жыл бұрын
Liquid Zero I wouldn't lay it completely at his door. There is after all just the good old Blairite hangers on who've decided to weaponise this issue because they deplore socialists with every fibre.
@JSS_Network
@JSS_Network 6 жыл бұрын
A 13 year old making political statements based on what happens at school I faced racism in school should I blame the Tories for that???
@user-hd1hp7hb5v
@user-hd1hp7hb5v 5 жыл бұрын
@Jericho ur "hero" Mo-ham-mad when fucking 9 years old Aisha also claimed she was 23. lol
@yvonnemccalla7282
@yvonnemccalla7282 5 жыл бұрын
My father is Jamaican & my mother African / English can't even repeat names I was called in 60's - 70's. I blame Jeremy. Lol. Love him really
@anaesthesia1549
@anaesthesia1549 5 жыл бұрын
רומן צם Only a disgusting fake Jew will say that; not a normal Jew. Now cut the second part of my statement and smear me as antisemite.
@JSS_Network
@JSS_Network 4 жыл бұрын
@Henry Bishop racism is commonplace within schools, think its just a part of a young mind that is fed to them at home a good smack to the jaw sorted that issue during school days.. 😂😂😂
@AG-ub7sg
@AG-ub7sg 6 жыл бұрын
People are mad to label Corbyn as anti-semi 😠😡😠😡😡😠 nonsense
@Yougottalaugh-p9u
@Yougottalaugh-p9u 6 жыл бұрын
He may not be truly an anti semite but being a Marxist Socialist I very much doubt it, plus he has to keep the muslim block vote on side which is why all the Labour councils have hidden the mass child rape up & down the country for the last 40 years
@AG-ub7sg
@AG-ub7sg 6 жыл бұрын
David Marcus what you’re claiming here is bizarre and it’s not based on evidence or facts
@AG-ub7sg
@AG-ub7sg 6 жыл бұрын
David Marcus the idea that Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party is covering for Muslims to have them vote for them and that’s the reason people feel they anti semi is just ... shocking !
@AG-ub7sg
@AG-ub7sg 6 жыл бұрын
BestBloke I disagree ! All people from all races have committed child abuse and it existed in societies all through time ...
@AG-ub7sg
@AG-ub7sg 6 жыл бұрын
BestBloke this claim that Corbyn has hosted dinners for Islamic extremists and the Hezbollah is a lie that you chose to believe doesn’t make it true
@josephkennedy8009
@josephkennedy8009 6 жыл бұрын
#fakenews
@CommanderM117
@CommanderM117 6 жыл бұрын
indeed
@joekdp
@joekdp 6 жыл бұрын
The first 3 sensible comments I've come across, critical thinking is not dead after all 👏👏👏
@kamalmortoza9888
@kamalmortoza9888 6 жыл бұрын
They don't approve that labour won't equate criticism of israel with anti-semetism and too dishonest to say it,
@HammerheadGuitar
@HammerheadGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
If there is no anti-Semitism than why do actual neo-nazis like Daily Stormer, David Duke and Nick Griffin support Corbyn?
@kamalmortoza9888
@kamalmortoza9888 6 жыл бұрын
John Doe with the pretend profile, they thought he was anti-globalist. pretty weird - wonder what they say about his ex Diannne Abott or his current mexican wife? The left has always been at the forefront when it comes to confronting nazis and fascists from the Spanish war, through to cable street and then the war. This is just desperate mud slinging.
@DrStealthbug
@DrStealthbug 6 жыл бұрын
But Kamaaaaaal, David Duke said something nice about Corbyn. That must mean that they have identical ideologies.
@---wl3bi
@---wl3bi 6 жыл бұрын
Totally Not a Russian Troll don't forget trump loves him to
@kamalmortoza9888
@kamalmortoza9888 6 жыл бұрын
Like when?! quotes or links please...just making it up as you go along doesn't cut it
@vonduus
@vonduus 6 жыл бұрын
Perhaps you should differentiate between Jewry as an ethnicity and Zionism as the official Israeli policy. If Jews themselves made this distinction, there would be no problem (apart from the little fringe group of lunatic racist haters who will always hate). We are many - Jews and non-Jews - who do not find the Israelig killings of Palestinian civilians something we can just watch in silence, but if we criticize Netanyahu and his semi-fascist conservative party, we are immediately labeled "anti-semites". Take a stand against the murder of civilian protesters, and a lot of your problems will go away. Most reasonable people have no beef with the Jews, all reasonable people have a beef with the Israeli governments actions.
@Noa-hs6qy
@Noa-hs6qy 6 жыл бұрын
Ever heard of pallywood? Watch Pierre Rehov's Behind the Smoke Screen
@vonduus
@vonduus 6 жыл бұрын
lol yes - and mankind never set foot on the moon, it was all recorded in a studio in LA.
@si8568
@si8568 6 жыл бұрын
School bullying - labour?? What a ridiculous video
@alimuktar2
@alimuktar2 6 жыл бұрын
Take my definition or you’re anti-Semitic? Absolutely ridiculous!
@TheCherryTrader
@TheCherryTrader 6 жыл бұрын
But what did he actually say and do? I'm very confused.
@sashman02
@sashman02 6 жыл бұрын
Cherry Trader Me too. Not British. Was wondering if he went on some anti-Semitic tirade, but not one example here except something about a mural. Truly a confusing segment, for an outsider anyway.
@tonedowne
@tonedowne 6 жыл бұрын
From what I can gather, he doesn't want to be banned from criticising Israel by laws that forbid anti semitism.
@TheBaconWizard
@TheBaconWizard 6 жыл бұрын
Absolutely nothing.
@akh761
@akh761 6 жыл бұрын
He's not said or done anything. He's been a lifelong campaigner against racism and for Palestinian rights. Some pro apartheid Israel people have a problem with that, no idea why.
@moonshapedabsolution
@moonshapedabsolution 6 жыл бұрын
He's put Labour comfortably ahead of the Tories in the polls
@yomomma8438
@yomomma8438 6 жыл бұрын
The media are keeping awfully quiet about Tory Islamophobia though isn't it...
@daviskaya100
@daviskaya100 6 жыл бұрын
Islam must be and always should be criticised until the evil book is revised!!!!
@JSS_Network
@JSS_Network 6 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly...
@JSS_Network
@JSS_Network 6 жыл бұрын
daviskaya100 well it never will be revised so keep on dreaming we can all be dreamers can't we....
@narutomgm
@narutomgm 6 жыл бұрын
daviskaya100 would you say the same about Judaism and Jewish religious texts?
@daviskaya100
@daviskaya100 6 жыл бұрын
The right wing are on the rise across Europe, its people are losing its patience with Islam, so if Islam doesn't change I can see something horrible coming soon. So I would advise Islam should change, before its too late!!!!
@marvintpandroid2213
@marvintpandroid2213 6 жыл бұрын
And the far right are laughing all the way to the polling booths, although there have been one or two issues the vast majority of anti-Semitic attacks comes from the far right and not from the left. Criticism of the actions of the current Israeli government is not antisemitic, to shut down debate is a bad thing.
@nicwhite9417
@nicwhite9417 6 жыл бұрын
In a few years time it will be. All criticism of Israel will be considered antisemitic.
@brianmasters1125
@brianmasters1125 6 жыл бұрын
Antisemitic attacks usually come from the 4x2s themselves so they can have something to whinge about.
@marvintpandroid2213
@marvintpandroid2213 6 жыл бұрын
TheCausation some of the Tory party would have been classed as far right even in the days of Margaret Thatcher. Just as the Labour party has gone further left in the last few years the Tories have gone further right in an effort to win back the UKIP voters.
@Arcadia21
@Arcadia21 6 жыл бұрын
Fake news
@antman5474
@antman5474 6 жыл бұрын
this anti-Labourism must stop!!!
@daviskaya100
@daviskaya100 6 жыл бұрын
NEVER!!!
@stevenmcguinness4751
@stevenmcguinness4751 6 жыл бұрын
Labour is 80 years out of date. It’s no longer a party for the Working Class.
@antman5474
@antman5474 6 жыл бұрын
Steven ....you sound like a bot
@antman5474
@antman5474 6 жыл бұрын
plenty of left wing support spurs
@antman5474
@antman5474 6 жыл бұрын
Mark Lewis ...There is absolutely no forensic/physical evidence which supports the idea of your existence, which is nice, because you come across as a bit of a bone head.
@chrisgreen6259
@chrisgreen6259 6 жыл бұрын
Newspapers do not equal people.
@forestpump
@forestpump 6 жыл бұрын
this is blackmail
@marccrossland785
@marccrossland785 6 жыл бұрын
Stop interviewing kids.
@Dan-xt7sv
@Dan-xt7sv 5 жыл бұрын
This is why you should never let a tribe of people who are only loyal to a foreign nation take root in your own.
@guliver2559
@guliver2559 5 жыл бұрын
when you read the posts they are not pointed dircetly to Israel , we are in the middle east too far away from their hands but they do attack the jewish comunity in Britain , it is easier for those cowerd difenseless British citizens who happened to be jews, attacking their synagouges schools and damage their graveyards and it comes under the red or the black flag ,the result is the same, why do not they protest in front of the Israeli embassy? well it is esaier to attack a religiouse jew on his way to the synagouge,the mother of the democracy tell us a leson about democracy...
@DavidTraynier
@DavidTraynier 6 жыл бұрын
One of the most surprising things about that video package is when the young girl says, 'because of the things Jeremy Corbyn has said about Jew's and she isn't asked to say what she means or give an example.
@fingerscrossed2453
@fingerscrossed2453 6 жыл бұрын
David Traynier That's because there are no examples. Propaganda; it's that easy.
@anneother6224
@anneother6224 5 жыл бұрын
One of the least surprising things.
@liambowbrick3917
@liambowbrick3917 5 жыл бұрын
You can't give an example that doesn't exist
@BrianJ1962
@BrianJ1962 6 жыл бұрын
And being critical of Israel's conduct towards Palestinians cannot be anti-Semitism - because the Palestinians are also Semites (facepalm)
@heycidskyja4668
@heycidskyja4668 5 жыл бұрын
That is an equivocation.
@laughalization
@laughalization 6 жыл бұрын
Can someone actually show me where corbyns been anti semitic
@umarslatif
@umarslatif 6 жыл бұрын
Easy answer channel 4, it is if you feel anti Israel is same as antisemitic.....
@HammerheadGuitar
@HammerheadGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
Jeremy Corbyn has been endorsed by the Daily Stormer, David Duke(ex-wizard of KKK) and Nick Griffin from he BNP.
@oxymoron5860
@oxymoron5860 6 жыл бұрын
John Doe ---- And that somehow makes him guilty of what? --- U Shill...
@ChrisHutchison
@ChrisHutchison 6 жыл бұрын
John Doe, I had a look at the web sites associated with the names you mention, but found no endorsement of Jeremy Corbyn. I guess they're all just a little shy of admitting in in public, huh? But not so shy are Holocaust survivors Walter Wolfgang and Hajo Meyer, octogenarian Jewish writer and intellectual Leon Rosselson, Israeli writer and musician Gilad Atzmon, children laureate Michael Rosen, and all the myriad other Jews and Jewish organisations (Jewish Socialists’ Group, for example who have come out clamorously and unconditionally supporting Jeremy Corbyn. Funny, isn't it, that these Corbyn-supporting Jews are not feted in the mainstream media; funny, too, that Jews who loyally support Corbyn are likely to find themselves branded anti-Semites. I wonder why that might be? Funny old world.
@HammerheadGuitar
@HammerheadGuitar 6 жыл бұрын
dailystormer.name/this-is-real-im-not-joking-about-endorsing-jeremy-corbyn/ www.thetimes.co.uk/article/former-kkk-wizard-praised-corbyn-victory-rztzv263g www.thesun.co.uk/news/6015934/ex-bnp-leader-nick-griffin-endorses-jeremy-corbyn-for-refusing-to-blame-assad-for-chemical-attack-in-syria/
@oxymoron5860
@oxymoron5860 6 жыл бұрын
Totally Not a Russian Troll --- And that somehow makes Corbyn guilty of what?
@grunkledan9210
@grunkledan9210 6 жыл бұрын
Why is no one saying why he is anti semetic? I keep hearing they feel he is anti semetic or that he is outright but they aren't saying how. I understand Corbyn may be against Israel but that doesn't make him against Jews. Can someone help me out here?
@brucewallace2
@brucewallace2 6 жыл бұрын
A witch hunt organised by the right wing pro Israeli Labour Friends of Israel in league with right wing Jewish community leaders. Corbyn isn't anti-Semitic and never has been.
@luaseast1251
@luaseast1251 6 жыл бұрын
"Corbyn isn't anti-Semitic and never has been." But you would agree that he is pro Palestine .
@brucewallace2
@brucewallace2 6 жыл бұрын
Yes he has always been pro- Palestinian and anti the Israeli state.
@DrRiq
@DrRiq 6 жыл бұрын
Bruce Wallace as any right-minded person would be.
@brucewallace2
@brucewallace2 6 жыл бұрын
There are plenty Jews who are supportive of the Palestinians while obviously being against anti-Semitism.
@jmascisss
@jmascisss 6 жыл бұрын
I'm certain that Peter Mandelson has got nothing to do with this campaign against Jeremy Corbyn.
@isoaqua5825
@isoaqua5825 6 жыл бұрын
I am against apartide ! I am against the actions of a government ... This does not make me against Jewish people.
@graceygrumble
@graceygrumble 6 жыл бұрын
If I don't like the way that the Israeli government treats Palestinians, it doesn't make me anti-Semitic. It just means that I don't like the way the Israeli government treats Palestinians. If I don't like the way women are treated in Saudi Arabia, it doesn't make me anti-Islamic. I just don't like the way women are treated in Saudi Arabia. If I don't like British government policies, it doesn't make me anti-CofE. If I don't like the way Aboriginal people are treated, in Australia, it doesn't make me anti-... anti- Australian Rules Football. If I don't like drunks, it doesn't make me anti-alcohol. If I don't like broccoli, it doesn't make me anti-brassica. It's ridiculous!
@sambrooke4025
@sambrooke4025 6 жыл бұрын
Depsite not being religious myself, I am someone with Jewish heritage and this really saddens me. Corbyn is clearly the most peace loving kind hearted man who has led the Labour party in a long time. There are societal issues surrounding conflation of anti-Semitism and anti-zionism, which need to be addressed and not confused. I'd be interested to see the same level of scrutiny given to the Conservative party surrounding alleged Islamophobia. But Labour is by no means a threat to the Jewish people if it were in power, to say it would be in such grandiose terms belittles the vile racism of anti-Semitism.
@fingerscrossed2453
@fingerscrossed2453 6 жыл бұрын
Sam Brooke Agreed. So much for fair, unbiased media
@nickygreenfingers
@nickygreenfingers 6 жыл бұрын
Behind you 100% Jeremy Corbyn .
@birtlee2078
@birtlee2078 7 ай бұрын
Kicked out the party for being a racist! He attracts vermin!
@redemrys5342
@redemrys5342 6 жыл бұрын
8:52 Labour's anti-semitism code of conduct does adopt the IHRA definition, but expands on provided examples to produce clear, legally tested guidelines to apply to disciplinary cases. I doubt the sincerity of the editors of the Jewish Chronicle, Jewish News and Jewish Telegraph not least because each has focused their apparent anger solely on the Labour Party's disciplinary code and their definition of anti-semetism without showing any interest for example, The Conservative Party Rule Book which according to C4 does not even mention "aniti-semetism" once! Why is that?
@crabbitwife5463
@crabbitwife5463 6 жыл бұрын
This is an organised right wing movement against the Labour Party. I would consider myself to be a fair minded democrat. I have nothing against Jewish people. I am horrified by some of the actions of the Israeli government. I am also horrified by some of the Palestinian actions too. Criticism of the Israeli state has nothing to do with antisemitism. No group of people have the right to demand others cannot disagree with them. I would be willing to bet that the vast majority of those crying wolf about the Labour Party are conservative voters.
@nicwhite9417
@nicwhite9417 6 жыл бұрын
Why would that be? Both parties are influenced ad funded by mostly Jews. Neither want to upset their paymasters.
@therealrobertbirchall
@therealrobertbirchall Жыл бұрын
​@@nicwhite9417that's an antisemitic lie and you know it
@IBRAHEAMTUBE
@IBRAHEAMTUBE 6 жыл бұрын
Anti-Zionism doesn’t mean anti-Jews
@vinayn9110
@vinayn9110 5 жыл бұрын
It can be, why the obsession with Israel ? do you hate jews ?
@Archivian01
@Archivian01 6 жыл бұрын
Racism = irrational social bias based on phenotype. (facial features, skin colour etc etc). Racism does happen against Jewish people. The Jewish identity is not only based on phenotype, but ethnicity and faith . This is different from most other demographics. Jewish people also face bigotry based on culture, history, lifestyle, religion etc. This is much more than mainly phenotype. That is why it cannot be simply drawn down to Racism, regardless of how anyone feels. Has anyone spoken to a sociologist? That is literally the field of science that covers social identity and how it functions.
@ablackgoliath1827
@ablackgoliath1827 6 жыл бұрын
XENO - racism - It is a racism that is not be colour-coded, directed at 'alien' whites and is therefore passed off as a xenophobia, a “natural” fear of strangers. Your welcome to look it up. :) But even this doesn't account for what they appear to be complaining about in the video.
@Archivian01
@Archivian01 6 жыл бұрын
Xenophobia is an irrational fear of perceived foreigners/strangers. Racism is an irrational fear based on phenotype. CONCEPTUALIZATIONS OF RACISM Throughout this chapter, racism is used to refer to “beliefs, attitudes, institutional arrangements, and acts that tend to denigrate individuals or groups because of phenotypic characteristics [e.g., skin color, hair texture, width of nose, size of lips] or ethnic group affiliation” (Clark, Anderson, Clark, and Williams, 1999, p. 805). Someone can be both Xenophobic and Racist. Its 1st year sociology. The field that systematically investigates society. You would think Labour would have checked the field and check with those that hold an international definition, before moving forward with their own definition. I get the argument that it stops some specific forms criticism. Personally I think you should be able to criticize accurately. But I cannot ignore that it is also used as racist slurs. Frankly a simple thing to do is when someone makes such criticisms it can be checked if it is accurate. EG - If X group is doing Y, like/similar to the Nazis. That can be checked. If it actually is, then the criticism is valid, regardless how anyone feels about it. Most times rather than comparing Nazis, people could compare to other fascistic/autocratic/dictatorships from history, if a point is being made that doesn't require a Nazi example. This shouldn't be a debate, this shouldn't even have been much of a problem in the first place. But it turns out politicians seem to be idiots at best. Even if people agree with Labours view, Labour went about this in a ridiculous way, almost Trump like incompetence. .... Almost. Then the conservatives can't make up their minds about the EU either because one side kinda has a plan and the other pretty much doesn't but wants to wing it because they love conspiracy theories. Basically politicians on all sides seem to be largely bad at their jobs and their jobs happen to be governing this country. Its not surprising everything is so clusterf*****
@martinchristian597
@martinchristian597 6 жыл бұрын
i support Jeremy in this instance
@nottmfunguy
@nottmfunguy 6 жыл бұрын
A Labour Government would be a threat to all our lives not just Jewish ones.
@yazanysen9810
@yazanysen9810 5 жыл бұрын
Funny how a school kid is fully aware that the rhetoric of a certain politician is the reason for the abuses she's going under, and can give a fully formulated and articulate answer to such a question. Has anyone here been this politically aware at the age of 17!?
@xponen
@xponen 6 жыл бұрын
Jews tend to blur the definition of race with their religion and also with their country. How do anybody criticise their country this way? how do you address their religion on its own? and how to comment on Jews when we talk about race/ethnic? it can't all be "Jews", that is strange...
@CommanderM117
@CommanderM117 6 жыл бұрын
i thing your thinking of Islam that does that maybe Jews do it to who know all i know is jew are nice people
@xponen
@xponen 6 жыл бұрын
@CommanderM117 , muslim/islam is just a name of the religion that people adopt, it don't tie-in to any race; even arabs or middle-eastern isn't necessarily a muslim/islam, and when we criticise Iran & Saudi Arabia the muslim/islam didn't show any respond. We knew how they're offended like when a cartoonist made a caricature of their prophet they're very vocal, this doesn't seem to happen in other cases.
@CommanderM117
@CommanderM117 6 жыл бұрын
yes but the Muslim bit you are now mention is part of the culture see how thinks get tricky some group try and combined the 2 blurring the line and if you speak out they brand you as a racist as for the mention nation that just comes down to the nations they might have same faith but there not completely united similar with jew or Christianity
@markmahabir6342
@markmahabir6342 5 жыл бұрын
Channel 4, brilliant unbiased reporting as usual! And if you believe that you'll believe any bullshit!
@mc-ec3bu
@mc-ec3bu 6 жыл бұрын
Not just Jewish life what about the rest of us?.
@Rio-ke9he
@Rio-ke9he 6 жыл бұрын
equality feels like oppression to the oppressors
@daviskaya100
@daviskaya100 6 жыл бұрын
Too busy cosying up to the muslim vote to care.
@CommanderM117
@CommanderM117 6 жыл бұрын
indeed
@desoliver9712
@desoliver9712 6 жыл бұрын
Can anyone tell me what jeremy Corby is supposed to have said that was anti-semitic?
@garsm2290
@garsm2290 6 жыл бұрын
Lansman is hopeless. What a bureaucrat. He should take this head on.
@eliezerwolff8336
@eliezerwolff8336 6 жыл бұрын
Jews are allowed to have a state. The Palestinians can also have a state but not at the expense of Israel. Most Jews support the state of Israel. By calling Israel an illegitimate rogue state with policies similar to the Nazis it is an attack on the vast majority of Jews who regard the creation of the state of Israel with great pride
@peterwright5311
@peterwright5311 6 жыл бұрын
It infuriates me that people like Lansman acknowledge any culpability. a) There is no widespread problem with anti-semitism within the Labour party. b) The Campaign against anti-semitism regularly shows that anti-semitic opinions are more widespread in the Tory party (using an absurdly broad definition of what anti-semitism actually is of course). c) There is no reason why Jewish groups would be 'consulted' on how to define anti-semitism - racism is a simple concept that requires no special input from specific groups. d) The IHRA examples clearly define many Jews as anti-semites, simply for criticising Israel, what could demonstrate more elegantly that the examples are completely useless?
@011258stooie
@011258stooie 6 жыл бұрын
"To learn who rules over you simply discover who you are not allowed to critisize" - Voltaire
@simiouisreal2496
@simiouisreal2496 6 жыл бұрын
Weird how Jews have so much power when there's so few of them
@serjthereturn
@serjthereturn 6 жыл бұрын
See that is genuine antisemitism, as an example. Unlike what is happening with Corbyn. You're out of order mate
@desoliver9712
@desoliver9712 6 жыл бұрын
serjthereturn is right, we don't need people like you in the labour party. No one cares to hear your xenophobia and bigotry.
@simiouisreal2496
@simiouisreal2496 6 жыл бұрын
Pointing out how much power white men have= liberal and progressive Pointing out how much power Jews have= anti-semetic ok then
@serjthereturn
@serjthereturn 6 жыл бұрын
@@simiouisreal2496 you're knee deep in conspiracy tropes on how jews supposedly control the world. Stop it
@desoliver9712
@desoliver9712 6 жыл бұрын
+Simiou Is Real To the privileged equality feels like oppression. You're very confused about liberal progressive values. It's not about pointing out how much power white men have, but how little power minorities have.
@templarknight5557
@templarknight5557 6 жыл бұрын
So Corbyn has spent the last 30yrs in political wilderness and away from any real power in the Labour party because of his extremist views against Britain/West, and now people are shocked to find out he is a Racist and has done nothing to stop his Antifa friends attacking Jews and turning the Labour party into nothing but a vile racist anti democratic mob rule culture. I would rather vote Tory again than hand that man the keys to our Treasury.
@worship568
@worship568 6 жыл бұрын
I think Jon Lansman was just genuinely upset at feeling misrepresentated
@nahimgood
@nahimgood 6 жыл бұрын
😴😴😴
@mc-ec3bu
@mc-ec3bu 6 жыл бұрын
If i was jewish and labour got power i would move. And that says it all really.
@ally11488
@ally11488 6 жыл бұрын
As soon as I set eyes on Corbyn, I said, "That's Hitler, that is." That's exactly what I said.
@markusass
@markusass 6 жыл бұрын
Lol, I think people say he more resembles Steptoe, but I couldn't possibly comment. In any case, the quiet ones are always the worst. By not speaking up, Corbyn is virtually condoning anti-Semitic acts by members of his 'flock'.
@ally11488
@ally11488 6 жыл бұрын
marius offing - I see more from the alt-Right.
@markusass
@markusass 6 жыл бұрын
yeah, they are just as bad.
@ally11488
@ally11488 6 жыл бұрын
marius offing - It's a obviously a lot to do with the Israel lobby. Any sort of sympathy for Palestinians has to be stamped out and Labour's 'friends of Israel' are certainly no friends of Palestinians.
@mayachatterjee2336
@mayachatterjee2336 6 жыл бұрын
marius offing Jeremy Corbyn has spoken up against antisemitism. He has written several e-mails to all Labour Party members over the past few months condemning antisemitism. How can you say he has not spoken out?
@elingles2854
@elingles2854 6 жыл бұрын
We predicted this in the sixties. Simple answer,don,t vote labour. Working class people know that the muslim vote is a strong one.
@BernieHollandMusic
@BernieHollandMusic 4 жыл бұрын
A working class racist is something to be. . . . . . . .(with apologies to John Lennon)
@HereMoya
@HereMoya 6 жыл бұрын
Do u smell gas ??? Lol........
@BernieHollandMusic
@BernieHollandMusic 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, emitting from the mouths of these Zionist windbags - or is it from the other end - it's difficult to discern the difference.
@jmascisss
@jmascisss 6 жыл бұрын
This was a party political broadcast by the Likud Party.
@alanblight9233
@alanblight9233 4 жыл бұрын
What has mr. Corbin said about Jews ?
@satoshinakamoto7861
@satoshinakamoto7861 6 жыл бұрын
propaganda, theyre trying to get Jeremy out
@williamaitken4544
@williamaitken4544 4 жыл бұрын
All this ridiculous smear is helping me decide how to vote on December 12.
@BernieHollandMusic
@BernieHollandMusic 4 жыл бұрын
Me too !
@Najma-n1
@Najma-n1 6 жыл бұрын
I believe that Jeremy is being crucified here... Lool
@JackJames2612
@JackJames2612 6 жыл бұрын
*yawn* this is just dull now. being against the criminal state of israel isnt the same as being antisemitic. why is this STILL in the media..
@professorpancakes6545
@professorpancakes6545 6 жыл бұрын
This is completely ridiculous.
@davidwilkinson3302
@davidwilkinson3302 6 жыл бұрын
No surprise that Labour’s cynical love in with the Muslim and Palestinian community leads to a rise in antisemitism. It will come back to haunt them.
@davidwilkinson3302
@davidwilkinson3302 6 жыл бұрын
David Wilkinson 2 You are a mere clone.
@king274
@king274 6 жыл бұрын
He was right, everything they touch dies.
@dogsenseforu301
@dogsenseforu301 6 жыл бұрын
Why did this not come out under Blair? Same people in the party...
@tictoc5443
@tictoc5443 3 жыл бұрын
The question maybe is what does the labour party represent? Anger? Hate for the rich? Hate for minority groups? Hate for individuality?
@ekram746
@ekram746 6 жыл бұрын
What a joke who falls for this
@RG-qt2fk
@RG-qt2fk 6 жыл бұрын
Labour government led by the left wing demagogue would be a real threat to British life
@johnhutchison2268
@johnhutchison2268 6 жыл бұрын
A gold standard - what a joke.
@swallowdalert
@swallowdalert 6 жыл бұрын
Threat to everyone in the UK.
@steviemcc6705
@steviemcc6705 6 жыл бұрын
Labour's true colours always shine through, horrible party.
@wanderinggiant6324
@wanderinggiant6324 5 жыл бұрын
and to update (Feb 2019) this week John Mcdonald MP defended someone suspended from the labour party for anti Semitism and momentum retweeted a post from a US politician who is known to be anti - Semitic who was reading a script from al Jazeera - things may not have improved.
@CJ-xf2wt
@CJ-xf2wt 6 жыл бұрын
Wow this is ridiculous. Taking political commentary from a 13 year old?
@fingerscrossed2453
@fingerscrossed2453 6 жыл бұрын
Charles Johnston 😂at least we could have a chuckle. The idiots that made this segment think we're too stupid to notice 😅
@philip013
@philip013 6 жыл бұрын
We haven't got Labour supporters marching around town chanting 'jews will not replace us'. that's happening in the US and there doesn't seem to be much panic over there. Netanyahu is not calling out Donald Trump, telling him to rein in his supporters.
@StuMas
@StuMas 6 жыл бұрын
Here's what I want to know: Will all political parties now provide its members training and guidance regarding ALL religions and races or, is it for God's chosen people only?
@WestfaliaStuff
@WestfaliaStuff 6 жыл бұрын
Anti illegal settlements and pro return of refugees is not anti semitic. It's indeed the only view a reasonable person can have.
@ednorton47
@ednorton47 6 жыл бұрын
A new Labour government would enforce the Edict of Expulsion that had been ignored by Cromwell.
@adamnaeem886
@adamnaeem886 5 жыл бұрын
individuals have a right to criticise the evils acts of Israel government!
@Doomedcreatures
@Doomedcreatures 6 жыл бұрын
the young girl said the stuff Corbyn said.. what did he say?? I so confused by all this.
@sephus99
@sephus99 6 жыл бұрын
"So Jon it's a Channel 4 piece where we want to make Jewish people feel more comfortable with Labour" "Wait till they see my splendid beard, they'll love it"
@Salpeace5
@Salpeace5 6 жыл бұрын
So now we are going to ask 13 year old children if Jeremy is to blame for their problems. It Seems to be a very anti-labour thing to do.
@hacksawpete
@hacksawpete 5 жыл бұрын
These, 'leaders of the Jewish community' that Channel 4 keeps talking to and accepting of as the one voice of British Jews; who chooses them? I was raised a protestant and I don't expect Protestant community leaders to think and make statements for me.
@ghost96369
@ghost96369 6 жыл бұрын
Shami chakrabharti should be ashamed of her own review now.
@xyzsame4081
@xyzsame4081 6 жыл бұрын
A TV network ( ? BBC) followed 4 Labour * MPs during the campaign 2017 - So their REACTION was filmed when at 10 p.m. the first polls were announced. One seemed pleasantly surprised, Stephen Kinnock could not bring himself to show some enthusiasm AT ALL, 2 were neutral and immediately engaging in political speculation, but not much of a smile. I found it remarkable how down one MP was that his own party had not completely gone under - which would have been the pretext to topple Corbyn. * I think they also followed other parties but that segment was about Labour Those 4 clearly were no fans of Corbyn, and many critical voices from the street were featured. Some bias ! It was obviously meant to be the saga of a catastrophically lost election and the downfall of Jeremy Corbyn.
@wanderinggiant6324
@wanderinggiant6324 5 жыл бұрын
Perhaps labour don't seek the "Jewish vote", they seek votes from larger groups (based on identity politics) that are diametrically apposed to yours ?
@jackyan654
@jackyan654 6 жыл бұрын
What's him opposing the acts of the Israeli government got to do with Holocaust-denial?
@glenwright4808
@glenwright4808 6 жыл бұрын
I stopped at "a school kid...." Channel 4 trying to bury labour under bullshit?
@litehousekid1
@litehousekid1 6 жыл бұрын
as a very curious American... what’s the difference between British Conservatives and Labour?
@nicwhite9417
@nicwhite9417 6 жыл бұрын
Nothing.
@David_Bower
@David_Bower 6 жыл бұрын
That's like me asking you, what's the difference between Republicans and Democrats? You have Bernie Sanders and a few others, we have Jeremy Corbyn and a few others but essentially Nic White is right. There is no difference and like you, we've had enough of it too.
@cliffjamesmusic
@cliffjamesmusic 6 жыл бұрын
Identification is done by self and/or by others. How you identify yourself and the significance you place on it is up to you. How others identify you is something you can agree with or not. Problems arise when identification is used as a means to discriminate and inflate or denigrate in a way which results in harm. I believe it is OK to criticise Belief systems - religious, economic, philosophical or whatever, especially when they claim rights over people who are affected non-voluntarily. It is this criticism which enables us to learn. Unfortunately, there is so much conflation between Israelis, Israel Government, Jews, Judaism... which is not helpful and indeed, potentially very harmful, as well as protecting vested interests in this confusion.
@stevieg667
@stevieg667 5 жыл бұрын
I used to dismiss all religious beliefs as superstitious twaddle. That was until I saw a Golem, large as life, leading the shadow cabinet
@michaelfarrell4824
@michaelfarrell4824 6 жыл бұрын
a 13 year old is not old enough to 'have' a religion
@HalimaKhanFashionicide
@HalimaKhanFashionicide 5 жыл бұрын
What exactly has Jeremy Corbyn said about Jewish people?
@peterwright5311
@peterwright5311 6 жыл бұрын
A definition of anti-semitism that labels large numbers of Jewish people as anti-semites is unusable.
@grahamwhite9990
@grahamwhite9990 5 жыл бұрын
It always has been, its nothing new. Mosley was a labour politician back in the late 20s
@felixarbable
@felixarbable 6 жыл бұрын
You only have to read the comment section to see how real the problem is
@Gemarica
@Gemarica 6 жыл бұрын
Jewish people should worry a bit more about the Palestianian they have locked up in a da facto concentration camp and they should play a bit less the damaged party and certainly should not talk anti semitism while they are in bed with mnurderous Saudi’s and settlers.
@aliyasirpm
@aliyasirpm 6 жыл бұрын
is channel 4 is falling in to anti Jeremy hit?
@mrlad4685
@mrlad4685 6 жыл бұрын
Religious is not only Played In third world Countries but played a Major Role in Western Democracies.
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