I trimmed the start of unnecessary fluff, and therefore: new timestamps! 0:19 Fallacy of Composition 0:29 Fallacy of Division 0:39 The Gambler's Fallacy 0:47 Tu Quoque (Who Are You To Talk?) 1:06 Strawman 1:19 Ad hominem 1:35 Genetic Fallacy Correction: 1:43 Important clarification: fallacious appeal to authority is when you assume someone’s claims about [bacon] are valid in spite of the fact that they are in fact a [cheese] expert. However, it is also a fallacy to assume that just because someone is an expert on [bacon] that they will always be factually accurate when talking about [bacon], especially if they do not provide evidence. 1:43 Fallacious Appeal To Authority 2:02 Red Herring 2:21 Appeal to Emotion 2:35 Appeal to Popularity (Bandwagon) 2:39 Appeal to Tradition 2:43 Appeal to Nature 2:51 Appeal to Ignorance 3:03 Begging the Question 3:19 Equivocation 3:37 False Dichotomy (Black or White) 3:47 Middle Ground Fallacy 3:56 Decision Point Fallacy (Sorites Paradox) 4:16 Slippery Slope Fallacy 4:33 Hasty Generalisations (Anecdotes) 4:52 Faulty Analogy 5:01 Burden of Proof 5:30 Affirming the Consequent 5:57 Denying the Antecedent 6:09 Moving the Goalposts 6:22 False Cause (and Texas Sharpshooter) 6:41 Loaded Question 6:48 No True Scotsman 6:57 Personal Incredulity 7:05 The Fallacy Fallacy
@user-nm9fk7cb4b2 жыл бұрын
You missed one; 3:36 “Eejit”
@gamealholik2 жыл бұрын
your example of strawman is not very good mainly because there is virtualy no one advocating for less petroleum products(plastics,etc) which is what i assume you meant where as people in the current climate would prob assume you are misinformed and actually meant to say oil production which Joe Bidens administration has actively been preventing but at the time you made the video it was prob a pretty good example
@gamealholik2 жыл бұрын
as an addition at the time of posting this gas is like 5 and half buck closing on 6
@violettracey Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the clarification!
@fluffyvoid2619 Жыл бұрын
I would love to be a “cheese expert”
@MyRegularNameWasTaken3 жыл бұрын
My favorite (least favorite?) fallacy is absolutely Relative Privation. "You can't be sad about that, other people have it worse."
@andrewjohnson67163 жыл бұрын
Yes, good call!
@briancaster28762 жыл бұрын
I know I'm late here, I totally agree with you and that's the same thing as saying "You can't be happy about that, other people have it better." Which, I think most people would agree, is a ridiculous thing to say.
@randomobserver81682 жыл бұрын
A favorite of my mother's generation [born in WW2] and earlier ones. I'm not sure it's a true logical fallacy, though- they know perfectly well you can still be sad, sick, angry, or whatever, they're just telling you to get some perspective and maybe realize your sh*t isn't that bad. Whether or not I find it annoying will vary from context, but the corrective can actually be useful. If I AM irritated, I usually resort to Calvin [from Calvin and Hobbes] "Yeah, well lots of other people have it a lot better, too!". In effect, there's effectively and should be a human right to complain, but there's a corresponding human right for the next person to call time and tell the complainer to shut up.
@cosmosofdarkness38652 жыл бұрын
There is a whole song by AJR discussing this and why it's stupid
@cosmosofdarkness38652 жыл бұрын
It's called The World's Smallest Violin and it's really good
@funwithcoding28183 жыл бұрын
The big takeaway from this for me is that pirates can be used to fight global warming
@steemlenn87973 жыл бұрын
Pirate parties all over the world have stated that for years, but they always get ignored, together with all the other brilliant solutions they offer.
@jonathans17593 жыл бұрын
FSM. KANSAS BOARD OF EDUCATION. Pastafarianism. 👍
@JohnTrustworthy3 жыл бұрын
International shipping is a big source of carbon emissions so I guess you are right.
@willowweedsYT3 жыл бұрын
My takeaway is that I should eat cake
@ReeseAugust3 жыл бұрын
Well, my goal in life is to become a pirate, so wish me luck fighting global warming! (I am 100% serious that I want to be a pirate.)
@antalwahlers3574 Жыл бұрын
I heard there was once an interview with Frank Zappa. The interviewer was this vietnam vet who lost a leg in the war and was notorious for giving guests a hard time. First thing he said was "I guess your long hair makes you a girl." . Zappa instantly replied: "I guess your wooden leg makes you a table."
@NavJordaan8 ай бұрын
what a legend
@Demetri4508 ай бұрын
Yes! Making something out of nothing to push your narrative! Self righteous people do this all the time!
@atharvakarawade90545 ай бұрын
ahaha this is genius
@magnusprime9623 ай бұрын
Somehow I think that would've impressed the interviewer rather than bothered him.
@mesheepooh2278Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥🔥
@AlejandroPerez-mg3fc8 ай бұрын
This is why I stopped debating with people in general. People will tell you that "they are great debaters" and that "they always leave their opponent speechless" and then will mindlessly start spamming fallacies with zero regurosity. Suddenly, when I ask for rigutosity, they don't wanna debate anymore.
@VerumOccultum6 ай бұрын
It seems to me that people (including myself) don't know almost anything. We navigate reality with our schemas and concepts but when the real substantial knowledge is very little! Just my experience. I think that natural wisdom is a different thing, if you know what I mean :)
@VerumOccultum6 ай бұрын
When we are put on the spot and questioned for our real knowledge, it can often fall short. I'm speaking of myself of course....
@RedAgent142 жыл бұрын
I remember learning about these sorts of fallacies in my rhetoric class, and then the next unit was "now that we know the different types of fallacies, here's where we learn how to use them to sound persuasive"
@avivastudios2311 Жыл бұрын
Wait, so you learned how to be an evil politician?
@jorgitoislamico4224 Жыл бұрын
@@avivastudios2311 Eristics my dude
@_jpg Жыл бұрын
@@avivastudios2311 That's obviously a loaded question, indicating that there are actually good politicians
@steveconrad8857 Жыл бұрын
@tedagent - it’s the same way in the legal field. They teach about the constitution but all the teacher ways to get around it in America.
@DipayanPyne94 Жыл бұрын
@@_jpg Not really. There are good politicians. It just depends on what we mean by good ...
@TheYuvimon3 жыл бұрын
The fallacy fallacy is so important and so often forgotten. Just because you discover a fallacy in someones reasoning, it doesn't necessarily invalidates their point, it only means that the reasoning they used to arrive at their conclusion is flawed.
@j.f.fisher53183 жыл бұрын
It doesn't mean they are wrong. It means we can't _rely_ on their being right and should reject their ideas until the re-evaluate their position using rigorous logic. What you are proposing has literally gotten people killed in the real world and is utterly disastrous thinking.
@TheYuvimon3 жыл бұрын
@@j.f.fisher5318 ... What?
@TheYuvimon3 жыл бұрын
@@j.f.fisher5318 would you be so kind as to elaborate what I was proposing, that would be so utterly disastrous?
@apollo-s7s3 жыл бұрын
It does in a sense invalidate their point LMFAO. The very concept of a dialectic is to propose logically valid and or consistent point, so if someone's argument is predicated on a fallacy, that invalidates their argument, however, it doesnt make their conclusion or point actually incorrect
@norah69543 жыл бұрын
yeah, you can make some mistakes in a math problem and still get the right answer. Buuut, that usually involves going back, inspecting all of the steps along the way and then maybe solving it again
@jvondd Жыл бұрын
I don't know if there's a name for it, but I call it the Scrooge fallacy. (I guess it could also be called the Grinch fallacy.) It's when an assumption is made about or judgement is passed on someone or something based on past events without regard for any changes that have taken place. Example: Person A says, "I can't trust Person B because he's an alcoholic," despite the fact that Person B has been sober for over a decade. I'm actually a little surprised by how often I encounter people making this fallacy.
@Bird_Dog00 Жыл бұрын
aka. the "once a criminal, always a criminal" fallacy. aka. the self-fullfilling prophecy fallacy.
@WordOfYah3 ай бұрын
@@Bird_Dog00iCareful with that. If we define a criminal as someone who has committed a crime, then this hypothetical Scrooge fallacy wouldn’t apply because the criminal offense was still committed regardless of time served or their personal growth. You are, by identity, the same person who committed a crime regardless of if you would do it again or not. Obviously, this entire objection would no longer be valid if ‘criminal’ were to be defined as somebody who has not yet been punished for a crime committed. By this definition, once this criminal has been justly punished, they are no longer a criminal because they do not fulfill the condition that is part of the definition. The term ‘Criminal’ thus probably isn’t the best comparison to the hypothetical fallacy above, as ‘alcoholic’ infers somebody that is suffering from a condition that can end (alcoholism) once the addiction is overcome. ‘Criminal’, as most would likely define it, is simply somebody who does an illegal act, a crime. Time itself would have to never have ever existed in the first place for the crime to have never taken place, thus negating the label ‘criminal’. Actions, rather than a condition such as a disease / addiction, do not forfeit their subsequent labels because they objectively occurred at a point in time regardless of the persons current state, whereas conditions can fundamentally end by definition. Alcoholic, by the likely definition, infers a present and temporal tense that is subject to change, however criminal may not. However, just as the ‘criminal’ comparison is fulfilled once the term is properly defined, likewise can ‘alcoholic’ be defined as somebody who just drinks (action instead of condition) rather than suffering from alcoholism and this entire argument totally falls apart 😂 Then I’d be probably be straw-manning LOL It is very apparent that ultimately everything depends on the definition, but it could be argued that definitions depend on the societal context and the way they are generally perceived or interpreted, which itself can end up changing depending on shifts within the culture, movements, and beliefs of society? Man, philosophy is complicated 😂
@Bird_Dog003 ай бұрын
@@WordOfYah err... not sure how to react to this wall of text. I'm guessing you are overthinking what I wrote. "Once a criminal, always a criminal" refers to the belief held by some, that if someone has commited a criminal act - regardless of wheter they've been convicted and punished or not - they will always commit more criminal acts in the future and are thus are not to be trusted and should be kept away from society as much as possible. It is a self-fullfilling profecy, since shunning such a person will place them in a position where they are much more likely to reoffend and thus seemingly confirm the prejudice.
@1987MartinTАй бұрын
I deliberately make this fallacy if people have hurt me. I'll assume that they are just as shit as they were back then, even if other people say that the people who hurt me have improved since then, if I haven't personally seen the improvement. The people who hurt me have to specifically prove to me personally that they are better. Otherwise, I will insistently see them as the same pieces of shit.
@RRembrandtАй бұрын
Isn't this also ad hominem?
@insertwittynamehere8947 Жыл бұрын
My personal favourite is probably the one most used by politicians when challenged in interviews, we'll call it "The Consensus Fallacy". I'll guarantee that you've heard it and it's very easy to identify as it's preceded by the phrases "Of course, everybody knows...", "everyone agrees....", "experts say....". The purpose of the statement is to subconsciously deceive the challenger or disagreeing listener into believing they are either alone or uneducated in their view, thus question their own viewpoint on the subject in question. It is of course entirely false, there is no way that the speaker could know the views of everybody or even every expert (and what defines that and which experts precisely).
@jacobopstad54833 жыл бұрын
I have a personal one I call the "hindsight fallacy." When people make mistakes, others will sometimes attack them for not knowing something that is obvious only in the present. "Why did you go bungee-jumping if the cord was frayed?"
@bloxer95633 жыл бұрын
A very good one, I find this common in conversations I observe, or participate in...
@imaramblins3 жыл бұрын
Yup. Which can lead to the fallacy of "piling on," or making it seem like strength in numbers makes the person/ people that much more "wrong." Hey, someone found a weak argument against this person / people due to hindsight, etc... let's all pile on about just how wrong that is, or how wrong they've been about other things...
@angadsingh93143 жыл бұрын
Yess. There was a video of a lion opening a car door and people were bashing the family for not locking the doors. As if it's trivial that lions can and will use their mouths to systematically open the car door...
@jacobopstad54833 жыл бұрын
@@angadsingh9314 That's an excellent example!
@Thukai-Operater3 жыл бұрын
Please describe this again with a unique example sir
@boboloko5 жыл бұрын
Winning a debate is not the same thing as being correct. It only means that you are more persuasive.
@bensmith92535 жыл бұрын
sophistry
@MrBizteck5 жыл бұрын
Yes !! I have a work collague with very extreme views politically he is a marvellous debater but 80% of the stuff he comes out with is shite. But weve givin up debating him because he just spins arguments on their heads.
@UncleMerlin5 жыл бұрын
Being correct only aids your point
@vartebugge5 жыл бұрын
Sadly, this is often true
@boboloko5 жыл бұрын
@@UncleMerlin Sometimes
@Dancin9lady Жыл бұрын
Literally the 7 year old boy I nanny for every day using almost all of these on a regular basis. It's so hard to have an actual conversation with him that doesn't devolve into nonsense within minutes 😭
@SIC647 Жыл бұрын
Go with it: Say "And then what happens? And then what?" Let him run with it. Or do it yourself and one-up him, make it a game: "If an ostrich is a T-rex, then it is also an space alien, because it is in the future from 66 mio. years ago, and the dinosaur is riding in a spaceship." He will likely either think it is fun, or he will roll-eyes and tell you how things actually are (instead of you struggling to tell him that same). Kids often do it, because: 1. They aren't quite sure of how the world actually works, 2. If they are bright but haven't learned logic yet, or are demand resistant 3. because it gives them a lot of interaction "all attention is good attention" and it is fun to discuss ridiculous things with people, and 4. Some just have a wild imagination.
@Paul-dv4dr Жыл бұрын
You should have met my parents...
@bl00dyyt33th9 ай бұрын
It’s a child, bro dawg doesn’t even know there’s letters in math yet
@southerncross49568 ай бұрын
i understand, he lives across the street from me.
@NavJordaan8 ай бұрын
i have that with my mom, huh, she must secretly be a seven year old boy
@josephstone48422 жыл бұрын
When you said “I know that a horse is a mammal and a frog is an amphibian, even though frogs lay eggs and so do some…” I thought you were going to say “and so do some horses” and I panicked
@Raycheetah Жыл бұрын
Seahorses lay eggs. =^[.]^=
@lemonstealinghorsdoeuvre Жыл бұрын
Therefore all seahorses are -frogs- I mean -mammals- er... confusing.
@kingoreo7050 Жыл бұрын
Periods..?
@lemonstealinghorsdoeuvre Жыл бұрын
@@kingoreo7050 ellipsis, actually
@Nanbread-bw7nq Жыл бұрын
are we sure there are no egg-laying horses though? have we checked all the horses? xD
@TryMyMartini3 жыл бұрын
This actually a list of 31 reasons why it's pointless to engage in an argument on reddit.
@lostchild20033 жыл бұрын
Or Facebook
@lostchild20033 жыл бұрын
Or Twitter
@lostchild20033 жыл бұрын
Or KZfaq
@asmith78763 жыл бұрын
Thumbs up to everyone above! LOL
@blacksheep91443 жыл бұрын
Bahahahaha that and the incels
@walkingexistentialdread85208 ай бұрын
I am just working on a thesis about fallacies and this video made me incredibly happy. You've done a great job here.
@clarinethro1695 Жыл бұрын
As a fan of fallacies, I think everyone can learn something from this
@echognomecal674211 ай бұрын
I see whatcha did there.
@frazebean51179 ай бұрын
Ohh so you're basically a person who loves to proves others wrong yeah? Since you lovvveee fallacies. (I'm joking)
@LinkRammer8 ай бұрын
You're saying you want starving children in Africa to die? Why would you want that? Clearly because you stole a candy bar in 4th grade. We can't trust you because you did that now can we? Experts say that petty thieves aren't good people, and my emotions say the same and therefore you are wrong.
@NavJordaan8 ай бұрын
oh so you think everyone should be mandated to watch this video? what about the soldiers who are fighting for their motherland or other people who keep society running, do you think they have time for that????? why do you want society to collapse?????!?!??
@San-lh8us8 ай бұрын
@@LinkRammerwell, of course, if the starving children in africe die, they will no longer be starving, thus solving the starvation problem for them
@scooobydoo273 жыл бұрын
Let's not forget the "last word" fallacy -- if I get the last word, it means that I was right (at least in my own mind). I'm not sure the internet could survive without this one.
@Thukai-Operater3 жыл бұрын
Bray watt's brother you are because he uses the same sur name
@comradewindowsill42533 жыл бұрын
@@handsomerat5926 Or sometimes people are just done arguing with fools. Can’t really tell that from ones own perspective.
@comradewindowsill42533 жыл бұрын
@@handsomerat5926 Unfortunately the most convincing argument against basic etiquette is to converse with a fool.
@comradewindowsill42533 жыл бұрын
@@handsomerat5926 It was just the shortest way I could think to phrase it. All it meant was that talking to people who are incapable of or unwilling to correcting their logic inspires one to rudeness very quickly. After a while, you give up having a civilized conversation, and either leave without further comment or descend into angry ranting.
@comradewindowsill42533 жыл бұрын
@@handsomerat5926 Fair enough.
@mitzarella.63184 жыл бұрын
0:33 Fallacy of Composition 0:42 Fallacy of Division 0:52 The Gambler's Fallacy 1:00 Tu Quoque (Who Are You To Talk?) 1:19 Strawman 1:32 Ad hominem 1:49 Genetic Fallacy 1:56 Fallacious Appeal To Authority 2:15 Red Herring 2:34 Appeal to Emotion 2:48 Appeal to Popularity (Bandwagon) 2:52 Appeal to Tradition 2:56 Appeal to Nature 3:04 Appeal to Ignorance 3:16 Begging the Question 3:32 Equivocation 3:50 False Dichotomy (Black or White) 4:00 Middle Ground Fallacy 4:09 Decision Point Fallacy (Sorites Paradox) 4:29 Slippery Slope Fallacy 4:46 Hasty Generalisations (Anecdotes) 5:05 Faulty Analogy 5:14 Burden of Proof 5:43 Affirming the Consequent 6:10 Denying the Antecedent 6:22 Moving the Goalposts 6:35 False Cause (and Texas Sharpshooter) 6:54 Loaded Question 7:01 No True Scotsman 7:10 Personal Incredulity 7:18 The Fallacy Fallacy
@aishwaryadevirajavel78464 жыл бұрын
thank you. this comment is underrated
@giasharie2744 жыл бұрын
AISHWARYA DEVI RAJAVEL Indeed
@theturtle97244 жыл бұрын
Gia Sharie Indee
@magicblaze15534 жыл бұрын
this was already in the description
@Someone-ct2ck4 жыл бұрын
thanks
@user-mn3pt5of2z Жыл бұрын
Taking a class in critical thinking, and this just explained these fallacies for me better than my text books and letters did.
@cmm5542 Жыл бұрын
I love fallacies. Or, more accurately, I love finding, exploring, and tabulating them like this! I read my first logic book in high school, A Rulebook for Arguments, and I learned MUCH more about good argumentation from the Appendix on fallacies in the back than I did from the rest of the book or even my collegiate logic classes. This was a fun reminder of that, thanks Jill. After all, you have to be able to spot a bad argument before you can make a good one yourself! Or, 'if you only read one newspaper, read the enemy's.' Or . . . something like that, anyway. 😁
@avivastudios2311 Жыл бұрын
That's a good quote. Know any other good videos about fallacies?
@cmm5542 Жыл бұрын
@@avivastudios2311 I haven't really looked - they tend to pop up in my recommended viewing from time to time now that I've watched this one! 😄
@kylewashburn5840 Жыл бұрын
Good lord I hope you're talking about participating in actual debate. BecUse if this is about online arguements... then this is sooooo sad.
@zsantschi3 жыл бұрын
"Whataboutism" has become very popular lately. Example: Prosecutor says, "This man murdered 2 people." ... The defense says, "What about this other man who murdered 2 more people?"
@pathfinder12733 жыл бұрын
zsantschi Could that be the ad hominem fallacy she mentioned? It seems similar to me.
@someguy66013 жыл бұрын
...Except I've only seen "whataboutism" used in situations where it's actually relevant. For example: A: I can't believe C murdered two people! What a horrible person, murder is an unthinkable act! It's NEVER justified, I don't care that his victims bullied him! B: A, you murdered three people, and you said after you were arrested that it was justified because you were bullied by them. A: WHATABOUTISM!
@manjulanilsson60113 жыл бұрын
@@pathfinder1273 ad hominem is when you discard someone arguments based of that person's character. Example: If the serial killer Ted bundy would've said that the earth is round and you claiming that the argument about the earth being round is false bc Ted was a serial killer.
@pathfinder12733 жыл бұрын
@@someguy6601 I would say that is more hypocrisy or self-righteousness than whataboutism.
@pathfinder12733 жыл бұрын
@@manjulanilsson6011 Ah, good point, thank you.
@RetroRobotRadio3 жыл бұрын
What I found interesting was that I took an advertising class and the logic back to back. Ends up all the fallacies in the logic class are nearly the same as advertising techniques in the advertising class. For instance: The logic class will point out the falsehood of bandwagoning, where the advertising class teaches you to tell people to join the bandwagon!
@TheNefastor2 жыл бұрын
Well duh ! That's like saying the demolition class teaches you the exact opposite of the construction class 😁
@determinedhelicopter29482 жыл бұрын
@@TheNefastor Well, not the exact opposite, both have similar concepts, demolition is more or less tearing something down safely, so both might tell you fire safety
@TheNefastor2 жыл бұрын
@@determinedhelicopter2948 what do you mean, "safely" ? 😉
@Halo_Legend2 жыл бұрын
Yes, because marketing and everyone involved are literal satans and should be ostracised from society.
@aionicthunder2 жыл бұрын
@@TheNefastor Reducing the risk as much as physically/logistically possible
@kylerussell1942 Жыл бұрын
Years late to this one, but I wanted to say I enjoy your content and this video was excellent. This should be played on Day 1 of every school debate class.
@abimusic3 Жыл бұрын
Here’s one: The sunk costs fallacy. It essentially means that say “I’ve waited in this 4 hour long queue for 2 hours, I can’t leave now but a 2 hour long queue is too long to join” or “ooh look that bread has been reduced from €6 to €4. That must mean it’s cheap!” But the €4 bread is to expensive if not reduced from something else.
@mantis83263 жыл бұрын
When I was younger, I use to argue with people in hoping to find truth. It didn't matter to me if I ended up being wrong. But as I got older I started to realize a lot of people don't argue to find truth. They just argue to be right
@HeroGuy33 жыл бұрын
The complete opposite happens a fair bit too and is equally as frustrating. People just conceding their point immediately upon being challenged to avoid the argument. I want to know how they got to that conclusion! But instead of reasoning it out to me all I get is "No, you're right, forget I said anything." At least its over quickly I guess
@sbcd78083 жыл бұрын
@@HeroGuy3 Oh its so frustrating when you want someone to explain their opinions and they just refuse and concede that they were wrong. Like no im not saying you are necessarily wrong I just want to know how to reached the conclusion.
@0000song00003 жыл бұрын
btw, is it a fallacy or just a "flaw" that a lot of people these days feel offended when you point out a mistake/suggest-them-an-improvement? "you pointed out my error, ergo you must hate me" (i ain't sure if it's a variant of the black/white mentality or just not understanding the process of growth)
@Melecie2 жыл бұрын
@@HeroGuy3 i feel called out and i'm not sure how to feel
@Halo_Legend2 жыл бұрын
Cool story, realised that already, without the Hollywood involved.
@ambrosiasax68793 жыл бұрын
"Never argue with idiots in public. Bystanders can't tell the difference." Mark Twain
@RandyandPetraJ3 жыл бұрын
Never argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience!
@tippyandfriend3 жыл бұрын
Unless they can.
@naveenthomas99313 жыл бұрын
Okay when did Mark Twain become the wisecrack with a whole new set of quotes no ones heard before.
@versioncity13 жыл бұрын
@@naveenthomas9931 His 'quotes' are generally pretty well known due to their wit and pragmatic insight.
@versioncity13 жыл бұрын
@Drew Peacock Thanks for that insight, it had never occurred to me before that a famous quote from someone was famous because it was more than the every day, the pragmatic, the mundane. Have you got any other pearls of wisdom and knowledge that you'd like to share with the group?
@mechamacabre8962 Жыл бұрын
The sayings 'when arguing with a fool, first make sure you don't have the same opinion' and 'before disagreeing with someone, walk a mile in their shoes' (forgive me if I butchered those) come to mind, which are good to keep in mind when it comes to fallacies, after all, an arguement is like a window, a different view from each side
@einundsiebenziger54889 ай бұрын
I always walk a mile in the shoes of those I disagree with, because when they get angry, they're one mile away and shoeless😊.
@mrchaotiq Жыл бұрын
I had an acquaintence post a video of a nurse talking talking about why the Covid vaccines were bad (clearly an appeal to authority) I pointed out that there are Doctors who are also in the medical field who disagree with her. All sorts of idiocy ensued after that and I was called every name under the sun, goal posts were shifted, strawmen erected, it was pretty entertaining to see an adult that couldn't be challenged without having a literal tantrum.
@persephoneves5 ай бұрын
The whole lockdown and vaccine campaign were a treasure trove of logical fallacies heaped upon us: appeal to authority, moving the goalpost, false cause, tu quoque...We all need these lessons to protect us from the authorities so hopefully they don't pull the wool over our eyes again.
@stephentroyer38313 жыл бұрын
Wow. Having grown up surrounded by fallacy laden arguments, I thought I had found clever ways to avoid them. Turns out many of the clever ways are just different fallacies.
@commander8625 Жыл бұрын
I've actually just embraced the fallacies that I do know... except for the straw man. By using them, I can accomplish a few things. First, I can be prepared for how I think the other person would (or should contest my points). Second, if I use enough of them, my opponents will get overwhelmed and not be able to properly contest my point, if they choose to contest it at all at that point. In casual conversations, a lot of people just jokingly say that I'm right and move on.
@willysbakery6878 Жыл бұрын
they will get worse. he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.
@72-bit Жыл бұрын
dude everyone has grown up with fallacy laden arguments😂
@hiddenharmonicssystemforwi4484 Жыл бұрын
@@commander8625 Isn’t that gish galloping?
@orbracha25 Жыл бұрын
@@hiddenharmonicssystemforwi4484 it is, this is textbook Gish galloping
@dahawk85745 жыл бұрын
1:56 - Appeal To Authority There is a GAPING HOLE in the explanation given here. The fallacy also applies to experts who are presenting an argument that is well within their field of expertise. This version of this fallacy can be encapsulated as: "I am an expert on this topic, therefore there is absolutely no way that my view can be in error." It is logically unsound, because quite obviously there are many ways that experts can be absolutely mistaken about some aspect of their view of something within their field. And the most blatant example would be when two experts are debating a topic within their field, and they disagree with each other.
@aaroncope18335 жыл бұрын
Absolutely right. An appeal to authority doesn't have to do with your source being an expert in the relevant subject or not; it's about referring to someone that is seen as an expert in the place of evidence or reason. Darwin is considered an expert or authority on evolution but if you say "Evolution is real. Charles Darwin, the most famous and relevant scientist that studied that subject says so." The evidence of evolution is evidence of evolution: fossil record, micro-biology, observable micro-evolution, anatomy, etc. If you are going to cite an expert then the reasons why they have a certain opinion and the accompanying data are more relevant and helpful than some schmuck's opinion, even if they're a credentialed schmuck.
@LyubomirIko4 жыл бұрын
Continental drift theory is such case. But it is more complicated than that, because although the premise was correct not the proposed process (centrifugal force of the Earth's rotation). So it was rediculed for many years in geology field. Also the case with Newton's Gravity worth mentioning - although it was proven wrong - it is still widely used - becouse accurate enough... This means truth sometimes can be... unnecessary complex?
@dahawk85744 жыл бұрын
There is another layer on this type of fallacy which deserves to be called out as a subset. And this is when an argument is presented as having the VAST majority of scientists supporting it. This is NOT how science works. One single person can hold a view while thousands hold the standard understanding, yet this fails to disprove the one person. Science is not a democracy. For example, when Darwin came up with evolution, he was in an extremely slim minority. Before that idea gained traction, we can imagine that there were those who presented the argument that almost everyone believes this one thing, while Darwin is way out at the fringe. Well as it turns out, Darwin was on to something. Every great idea, it is said, begins as a blasphemy. The most notable example for our current age is Global Warming (AGW). It FAILS to prove the theory just because many many people with PhDs support it. And an extremely common argument you will hear is that almost all scientists support it.
@IamGrimalkin4 жыл бұрын
I think the thing about appeal to authority is that, if you have to appeal to an authority on a topic, you probably aren't qualified to debate that topic in the first place. You should know the arguments that experts make on that topic, so you can bring them up directly. Expert witnesses are brought up in the court of law, but a lawyer can debate the arguments the expert is making in the cross-examination, if they have the chops for it.
@snap-off53834 жыл бұрын
@lurocp8 In courts the expert testimony establishes the credentials for the expert to discuss the facts and evidence of the case intelligently. Expert testimony is NEVER used to establish truth or falsehood of a prosecutorial or defense argument. i.e. there are no instructions to the jurors from the judge that they will accept testimony of an expert as incontrovertible due to credentials. Logical fallacies ABOUND in courtrooms. That's why you hire a lawyer.
@KevinWMoor Жыл бұрын
I absolutely adore KZfaq when it throws up a channel I'm not expecting. I'm very grateful for the recommendation of this video!
@WilburJaywright Жыл бұрын
I think a classic example of Tu Quoque is when a sibling says “You’re not dad, [therefore I can not listen to you without consequence, and so you should just leave me alone].” Honoring your parents isn’t the only reason you should do what they say, for example if they’re telling you to look both ways.
@catiedoesit6 жыл бұрын
Critical thinking should be incorporated into public education. The amount of people who don't understand this stuff is astonishing.
@ursulajoni156 жыл бұрын
Yes! During my first year of college the University was going to required everybody to take an English 101 that h heavily focused on making good arguments and it was honestly one of the most useful classes I've ever taken. People talk about learning how to fill out job applications and do your taxes in a class but I think even more important than that is teaching people how to make a good argument because a lot of other adulting skills wouldn't necessarily benefit from a classroom setting but learning to argue logically definitely would.
Who are you to question the experts in public education (see what I did there)?
@victorhugobravo7096 жыл бұрын
catiedoesit great idea
@Nancy200126 жыл бұрын
catiedoesit public education is specifically formed to stop people from developing critical thinking. If it was teaching logic then people ,as adults, wouldn't be thinking fallaciously to the extent that they are.
@TheWhiskyDelta2 жыл бұрын
One very important thing to remember about fallacies. Pointing out a fallacy is not unto itself a counter-argument, it merely exposes a potential flaw in some part of what the other person has said. Critically even with a fallacy an argument can still be generally valid if the fallacy is removed; for example hyperbole and exaggeration removed from an argument can still leave a completely valid argument.
@TheOmegaXicor2 жыл бұрын
I think that was her last point...
@archapmangcmg Жыл бұрын
@@TheOmegaXicor Literally, yes, you're right, the fallacy fallacy. Just because the method is wrong, the conclusion may be correct or incorrect. The problem with fallacies isn't that they ensure you're wrong. It's that they make your thinking unreliable and therefore usually wrong. (Since there are more incorrect conclusions than correct ones, etc.) And literally, a fallacious argument cannot be valid. By definition, it's invalid. It may have the correct conclusion but you should junk the argument and look for a valid one.
@Caseytify Жыл бұрын
But usually someone who commits basic fallacial reasoning frequently doesn't _have_ a valid argument. It's hard to take someone seriously when all their online comments lead with read herrings, tu quoqe, or appeals to authoritiy.
@archapmangcmg Жыл бұрын
@@Caseytify Agreed. Fallacies are a strong indicator that the person using them doesn't have anything worth listening to but not a guarantee that they're wrong. Such people may get things right by coincidence, rare but possible. Worth remembering that valid arguments may still be entirely wrong, because the premises are wrong but the form is correct, while sound arguments must be correct.
@TheWhiskyDelta Жыл бұрын
@@Caseytify The issue is that the internet has lead to an era of absurd pedantry, where people will try hard to find any basis that someone is technically wrong, with the explicit intent of invalidating what they have said regardless of relevance. In my own merely anecdotal cases I've rarely seen someone call out a fallacy by name for any other reason. Aside from that any form of hyperbole or straw man is an area to be careful about, because often even if the exaggeration is removed the point remains. People love to add emphasis.
@Maninawig Жыл бұрын
I love how you used a dog refference for red herring, as the term derrives from using the red pickled herring meat to try and distract training hound dogs so they learn not to lose a scent.
@mboehmer Жыл бұрын
Great content! I world love 31 follow-up videos, one deep dive per fallacy. So that I can really learn them by heart. Ideally, those videos would include some exercise to think for ourselfs. There was no time for that in this video, but it would greatly increase the learning experience in deep dive videos!
@KingsleyIII5 жыл бұрын
I've noticed it's impossible to argue with people who say "prove me wrong." They're usually so married to their viewpoint that no matter how convincing your evidence to the contrary is, they can't see their viewpoint's faults, or choose to ignore them. "Prove me wrong" more so means "Good luck changing my mind."
@shahid85455 жыл бұрын
Cognitive dissonance.
@Fair_Gravity5 жыл бұрын
It is frustrating in our current political atmosphere when you hide "prove me wrong" behind #changemymind.... Most of the time someone will say something outrageous and expect others to object and defend their position on the matter. But ya know, trolls be trolling.
@mohannair24935 жыл бұрын
Confirmation Bias
@Zethneralith5 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of a few discussions I've had with flat-Earthers recently. They were mostly civil conversations, and I did enjoy them, but they did make it quite evident that the degree to which some people are convinced of a thing does largely determine whether it's possible for their mind to change, regardless of new information. No proof is proof enough because of some other misunderstanding. One of the conversations did boil down to "If space is real, there should be tons of real pictures of Earth from up there. Since there aren't, I cannot believe it." It didn't matter what else was said. A tad frustrating, but very interesting as far as human behavior is concerned.
@MrHestichs5 жыл бұрын
It's so silly because the burden of providing proof to your argument is one you should carry yourself. Not force onto someone else. If you can't prove your point then it is invalid.
@thelookofdisapproval82345 жыл бұрын
this stuff should be taught in school
@kensmith56945 жыл бұрын
Yes, plus: Civics so people know how the government happens etc. The math of percentages even though 63% of all statistics quoted on the internet are just made up numbers and that is 130% true.
@gabrielleshapiro24515 жыл бұрын
Just take debate or a debate club
@alicekaspersen54785 жыл бұрын
At one time it was, but the course was very unpopular, except for philosophy fans, so it was replaced by "modern rhetoric," which is not nearly as rigorous, allowing many members of the education community to pawn off on unsuspecting students.
@alicekaspersen54785 жыл бұрын
Should read, "pawn off on unsuspecting students their political and social wishes and theories. (Why the ending was omitted I don't know).
@thisdaringyoungmanonthefly10665 жыл бұрын
It is. At least to us.
@DMvodkard Жыл бұрын
Great examples. I’m a mathematician, and couldn’t help but think back to this concept: If A -> B, then -B -> -A. Yet there are a large subset of people that think: If A -> B, then -A -> -B Again, good job and great effort!
@montewithGSO10 ай бұрын
My mom (no longer with us) once said all unions are bad because this one woman (union leader or member?) was trying to extort thousands of dollars from a small business the union was involved with and was also lazy and mean. I think there were at least three there? Thank you again!
@thetruewhiteowl2 ай бұрын
Let me see if I got them right: Hasty generalisation - Your mom concluded generally that all unions are bad based on the limited experience she had with this (probaly) very few unions Fallacy of composition - Believing the entire union was bad based off of a single individual who was part of it Ad hominem - Attacking the woman based off of her traits ('lazy' and 'mean') rather than arguing for why her actions were bad
@twoninety3 жыл бұрын
"Take this belladonna. It's VERY natural."
@Rognik3 жыл бұрын
I've always wanted to use this whenever people praise all-natural products. Yeah, well so are many poisons.
@twoninety3 жыл бұрын
@@Rognik Yup.
@reidflemingworldstoughestm13943 жыл бұрын
It doesn't get more natural than arsenic, lead or mercury.
@twoninety3 жыл бұрын
@@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 Or poison hemlock.
@reidflemingworldstoughestm13943 жыл бұрын
@@twoninety Elements are fundamental particles... yer hemlock and belladonna poisons are molecules that required metabolic processes.
@kjustkses5 жыл бұрын
Fallacy fallacy is still my favorite. Just because something sounds fallacious doesn’t necessarily make it wrong.
@puckry96864 жыл бұрын
The incredulity fallacy is related too
@stevenwhite3.14154 жыл бұрын
Yes. The fallacy fallacy doesnt imply one is wrong. It implies they simply talk to hear themselves talk
@williamspringer94474 жыл бұрын
Da Koos ••• My favorite logical fallacy is the questionable or false premise. All of the great State sponsored lies rely upon this fallacy . For example, nine out of ten Americans still believe that man walked on the Moon, even though there is zero reliable evidence that it ever happened. It's very hard to properly support a lie with reliable evidence .The Moon landing hoax was only possible because the science of classical logic hasn't been taught in our State controlled public schools for more than a century. The Underground History of American Education by John Gatto
@alanmacification4 жыл бұрын
@@williamspringer9447 There is no evidence of the lunar landingsthat you'll accept due to your personal emotional investment as being seen as an intellectual even though you have done none of the work , or received any education that would qualify you as an " intellectual ". Where do you think those Saturn 5 rockets were going with all that fuel. Why would they engage in that " hoax ". Hundreds of thousands of people were involved in the moon landings and not one has ever broken ranks? When you say the moon lands are a hoax, you just sound stupid. All six landing sites and decent stages are visible from the lunar orbiter. But you probably don't find that " reliable ".
@imranhaziq49564 жыл бұрын
Hard to imagine people still believe that we didn't go to the moon.But thats life there's always a surprise at every turn.
@SIC647 Жыл бұрын
What is it called when people argue: "That is my opinion" ? They say: The moon is green cheese. I refute, citing scientific research. And they respond with: "Well, that is my opinion." I mean, people are allowed to have any opinion they want. But when people say it this way, they usually imply that they are right about this, simply because...it is their opinion. As if reality bends to accommodate to what they believe.
@jliller Жыл бұрын
I think it classifies as Begging The Question because their argument is essentially "My opinion is right because it's my opinion."
@42roadsforman44 Жыл бұрын
I like videos about critical thinking Jill. I know your whole channel has changed however it would be nice to see you completely deep dive into critical thinking. I love this stuff. And you're really good at it
@devincory96955 жыл бұрын
Things I've learned today: 1. My flat has tiny doors. 2. Zog The Great is infallible. 3. 2+2 = 4.5 4. I am a ghost. 5. If it's not barking it's not a dog.
@stm78105 жыл бұрын
honestly, you being a ghost doesn't hurt anyone so sure be a ghost, I'll respect that
@blindleader425 жыл бұрын
I'm happy that the youtube community is finally getting some education.
@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable4 жыл бұрын
2. That depends on how many men thinks it's 4.5 and how many women thinks it. We should rely on the minority really, so the womens choice should matter more.
@emmys64574 жыл бұрын
@@AntiAtheismIsUnstoppable I'm not like saying this to be anti-feminist or anything (because people on the internet assume lots of things, and I'm like 100% feminist)... but why should the minority opinion matter more than the majority unless we know for a fact the majority is stupid (most men I've met don't think 2+2 = 4.5).
@williamspringer94474 жыл бұрын
Devin Cory ••• (1) It hard to lie to people who have been taught to effectively use the science of classical logic to understand real-world deceptive arguments. (2)The State used lies to control the population . (3) State controlled public schools haven't taught the science of classical logic for more than a century.
@MarkHarrisonBNE2 жыл бұрын
So love this video :) The loaded question: In the military, there is the "Are we keeping you awake son?" (something I frequently was on the receiving end of, because I have a low boredom tolerance threshold) for which the answers yes and no are going to land you in deeper trouble. I developed a response that utterly confounded my inquisitors: "Only just, sir".
@FenrirWolfganger Жыл бұрын
I now have the answer to that question. Of course they can still kill you after but if they do then they were going to anyway.
@veniankween130 Жыл бұрын
I’m using that next time on my teachers
@solarprogeny6736 Жыл бұрын
why is it that every time i hear anything about the military it sounds like the people you work for hate you
@MarkHarrisonBNE Жыл бұрын
@@solarprogeny6736 Cos you're not stupid? 😝 Mostly it is a bit like pack animals where the alpha in the pack never lets an opportunity go by to assert dominance. Those people are the worst leaders. They're insecure and actually afraid of everyone else beneath them, with good reason.
@MarkHarrisonBNE Жыл бұрын
@@veniankween130 Do let us know how that goes :)
@vk1450 Жыл бұрын
u make more sense than my english teacher ever could... Thank you so much!!
@jakegallagher5788 Жыл бұрын
I had to pause and rewind this video countless times because every fallacy presented made me stop and think, losing focus on the next one. Super good video
@otterwoods88815 жыл бұрын
This video sums up what its like talking to my parents
@davidkippy1015 жыл бұрын
Why do I have to do this? Because I said so.
@suzbone5 жыл бұрын
@@davidkippy101 as aggravating as the "because I said so" of childhood is, it's a cake walk compared to dealing with delusional/conspiracy-nut parents for multiple decades until they pass away :(
@Inertia8885 жыл бұрын
ahahh.. yup! and my favorite one " because it's just the way it is" it's the way it was, and there fore it should be the way it is.
@feartheghus5 жыл бұрын
Why do so many people think their parents are idiots and that they know everything? I am not saying this because you prove it to be true I’m just asking because your comment inspired the thought and reminded me of it.
@ziggerwebdesign17045 жыл бұрын
I feel the same about your parents.
@billyz50883 жыл бұрын
“Never argue with stupid people - they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” -- Mark Twain
@leeknivek3 жыл бұрын
you don't really need to argue with them, you simply need to make them speak to their intentions.
@cv48093 жыл бұрын
This is an example of appeal to authority fallacy, just because mark twain said it, doesn't make it true
@leeknivek3 жыл бұрын
@@cv4809 thanks, we never really understood what a quote was.
@dtkedtyjrtyj3 жыл бұрын
He just said that because he didn't want people to argue with him.
@arnerademacker3 жыл бұрын
@@dtkedtyjrtyj Did it work?
@rodneydowney2561 Жыл бұрын
The '"Gish gallop," a rhetorical fallacy of inundating your opponent with so many arguments at once that it is impossible to refute them all; in formal debate, also known as "spreading," a portmanteau for "speed reading."
@schrodingerskatze43088 ай бұрын
I absolutely hate how often someone tries the burden of proof thing. I think that's probably the one I encounter most.
@anthonyfaiell32633 жыл бұрын
I enjoy most all fallacies, but one of my favorites is probably the fallacy fallacy. Mainly because it covers the ass of all the other fallacies. I feel it is the backbone of the fallacy framework. . Just because someone is using a fallacy, doesnt automatically make their argument wrong. . I believe this one is so important because it helps define what a fallacy truly is. Many people I have talked to about fallacies think fallacies are "incorrect statements" or "falsehoods." Which in a way, they are. But not fully. A fallacy is laser focused on your method of argument, not the argument itself. Oftentimes if I call someone out on a fallacy, they think I am disagreeing with their argument, when in fact, I am simply disagreeing with their reasoning. . A super simple example of this would be "The sky is blue because the president says it is." Obviously that is an argument from authority fallacy, making their reasoning invalid... but that doesnt change the fact that the sky is still blue.
@gabrielborjas79233 жыл бұрын
Preach
@MnyFrNthng3 жыл бұрын
"because someone is using a fallacy, doesnt automatically make their argument wrong. " Yes, that makes the argument wrong (invalid). That just means that it does not make "the conclusion" wrong. Conclusion and argument are two different things. Equivocation fallacy. ;-) Ex: John is tall. John is human. Tony is human so Tony is tall. Well, Tony may in fact be tall but that does not make this argument valid at all. It is still a bullshit argument. Because argument and conclusion are different things.
@dylanschang63863 жыл бұрын
But how can you separate an argument from its logical fallacies? Like I’m not hating I just don’t understand, it the reasoning is flawed, doesn’t that make the premise invalid? Maybe up to discresion and “severity” of the fallacy?
@anthonyfaiell32633 жыл бұрын
@@dylanschang6386 I gave one example in my original post. But to maybe take a different approach, in mathematics, someone may be able to find the answer to simple problems, while not understanding the proper method of reaching that answer. Obviously with more complex problems later on, this can come back to bite them. Similar can be said about the fallacy fallacy. Someone may have reached the right conclusions. While not working that conclusion out themselves with proper logic. . This is common among children. A child could argue that the sun sets in the west... with their reasoning being that their parents said so.
@MnyFrNthng3 жыл бұрын
@@anthonyfaiell3263 Again. Conclusion and argument are two different things. Since conclusion is correct. The argument does not become valid at all.
@SGWeber3 жыл бұрын
There's also the appeal to being unique: "Stand out from the crowd by buying this product!" or "Everyone else believes it so it must be wrong!"
@simonhumby3233 жыл бұрын
And the appeal to gender insecurity - this is what proper men/women do/look like etc. I've got a feeling there are or will be LGBQT examples too.
@Nana-wi4gi3 жыл бұрын
@@simonhumby323 What... that's not a fallacy?
@RasmusVJS3 жыл бұрын
@@Nana-wi4gi Really it's kinda a variant of the No True Scotsman fallacy. "No true man/woman would do/look like that."
@chrono-glitchwaterlily87763 жыл бұрын
@@Nana-wi4gi it's basically the opposite from the op from what I'm understanding. The need to fit in, per se
@thenumbertwo91363 жыл бұрын
Ive nicknamed that one the 'not like other girls' fallacy
@reaganharder1480 Жыл бұрын
I would like to point out that the phrase "duck billed platypi. what you gonna do." is possibly my favorite new phrase I've heard this week
@magnusprime9623 ай бұрын
Just wanted to comment that my college is using this video as a resource for Critical Thinking courses. As a long-time fan of the channel, this made me happy. Cheers!
@WhiteFox87922 жыл бұрын
I've always been a fan of the sunk cost fallacy. Learning about it has actually saved me a lot of time that I would have otherwise wasted.
@ThSadomasohista2 жыл бұрын
I totally abuse the sunken cost fallacy to have people stay longer in the casino I work in.
@wastrelperv Жыл бұрын
@@Squeekysquid It isn't always insidious though. It has its moments.
@wastrelperv Жыл бұрын
@@Squeekysquid All good.
@Detson404 Жыл бұрын
This is a hard one to apply sometimes. It’s only fallacious if it’s actually worth it to abandon your current strategy and that’s difficult to measure in a lot of situations.
@jasonmultin4781 Жыл бұрын
This is the best response to people that say, "Never give up." In my opinion, if you take piano lessons once a week and practice 10 hours a day everyday, but still play the piano poorly, then you should quit. You spent too much time, energy, and money into something and you aren't getting a good return on investment. If people say that you already spent so much time practicing and it would be a waste to quit now, you can tell them that they are using the sunk cost logical fallacy.
@umopepisdn.3 жыл бұрын
I wish everyone knew these fallacies before engaging in debates. I've also found that taking courses in statistics and psychology seem to have helped me make stronger arguments.
@pd41653 жыл бұрын
Never debate - the Gish-gallop is real. The better debater wins, not the facts.
@DaBeezKneez2 жыл бұрын
Fake news! Thats my response to all your perfectly logical argument.
@adjudicator47662 жыл бұрын
@Solitaire and left wingers
@adjudicator47662 жыл бұрын
@Solitaire that’s a fallacy lol
@ViolosD2I2 жыл бұрын
@Sentinel Those who do have something to say are not true ones! ;)
@hannabaal150 Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised by how many people don't know they are using logical fallacies in a discussion. It's good to have a list, like you've drawn up, to compare my own point of view as well.Thanks!
@KevinZ.000 Жыл бұрын
Love the Church of the Spaghetti Monster reference (global temps. vs pirates).
@Pixane133 жыл бұрын
One of my favourites I don't think was mentioned here (I have a very short attention span and bad memory so I might of just missed it, timestamp please if I did.) Is the Sunk Cost Fallacy. Basically if you've put money or time (or another limited resource) into something then you should finish it. "My project has been proven to be too difficult to finish in the time I have been alloted, but since I used up half of my deadline already I should try to finish it anyway instead of finding a new solution which also fits my requirements or stopping."
@JenamDrag0n3 жыл бұрын
I dislike this fallacy because it keeps people miserable like staying in a job or relationship that's killing them on the inside, but they don't want to leave because they've invested so much time and energy into it already.
@cheesemakerkeesee3953 жыл бұрын
So another words you mean the government, lol
@cheesemakerkeesee3953 жыл бұрын
I swear that's how it is, though the government's justification bailing out the post office was literally because they said it wasn't working properly, and " fellow Americans have paid into it too much to let it down "
@andrewjohnson67163 жыл бұрын
Good call! It's too bad she missed that one since it's so common, especially in board rooms and commitee meetings.
@grahamstrouse11653 жыл бұрын
This is one the main justifications for most of the United States major military acquisition projects.
@42roadsforman444 жыл бұрын
My favorite equivocation joke is from 'Office Space' "Looks like you've been missing a lot of work lately." " I wouldn't say I've been 'missing' it, Bob. "
@zhou_sei4 жыл бұрын
punny
@janlarsen71383 жыл бұрын
"How many people work here?" "About half"
@brinx86343 жыл бұрын
@@janlarsen7138 "How many dead people are in that graveyard?".........
@benbrink269311 ай бұрын
Loved it. I will play the video for my MBA students tonight in a class on biases, fallacies, heuristics...
@IIIUMlNATI Жыл бұрын
'The fallacy fallacy'. The fallacy that a fallacy makes a fallacy a fallacy. Checkmate.
@ShudowWolf3 жыл бұрын
"Here, take this belladonna, it's very natural!" Me: "What's 'belladonna'?" *Googling occurs* 'Atropa belladonna, commonly known as belladonna or deadly nightshade, is a poisonous perennial herbaceous plant in the nightshade family Solanaceae...' "Oh noes..."
@truckwarrior59443 жыл бұрын
You saved me a few seconds there, thanks!
@robertnett97933 жыл бұрын
Well... it has a medical use in certain quantities. At least back in the day, when they cured fevers with mercury and such :D
@lhotse17166 жыл бұрын
This video should be a part of the terms and conditions for using social media.
@wirelesmike736 жыл бұрын
I was going to say: "But... How will the trolls have any fun?" But, then I was like: "Naaah. They know exactly what they're doing." -_^
@KuZiMeiChuan5 жыл бұрын
There would be no people left. Good idea.
@tristanmoller94985 жыл бұрын
Then no one would watch it
@milpy12575 жыл бұрын
Except some fallacies are pretty finicky. Someone who doesn't understand the debate could easily call for a Strawman when what they're doing is a Steelman. It's better to let YT videos and the debaters themselves to point the fallacies out.
@KuZiMeiChuan5 жыл бұрын
@@milpy1257 I disagree. Why should we leave the responsibility of thinking to anyone else?
@shanelepono44829 ай бұрын
I've watched a few of these videos, I just stumbled upon them recently. I like how you guys always do the fallacy fallacy last.
@evank3718 Жыл бұрын
I’m in love with whipping these out in any argument and making the other person look like a fool
@zzanatos20013 жыл бұрын
When I was a very low-ranking member of the military, I was attending a seminar about management and leadership. Halfway through the lecture, I raised my hand to ask a question about some of the speaker's assertions. In response, the instructor condescendingly asked, "Who are YOU to question me about management theory?" I replied, "Well since you asked - I recently completed a masters degree in management at Park University, so I think I know a little about it." (Then the audience immediately burst into laughter.) He was attempting a fallacious appeal to authority, but I trumped him with my own fallacious appeal to authority.
@funkyflames74303 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, the good old my fallacy is bigger than your fallacy.
@solar0wind3 жыл бұрын
@@funkyflames7430 Sometimes you have to beat people with their own weapons. E.g. yesterday my boyfriend conplained about me using an English word in a sentence in our language and he said "We have such a beautiful language. Why do you have to use English words??". Afterwards, he went gaming and talked to friends on Discord and gamer language is full of English words in I guess all languages. So I memorised all the words derived from other languages (mostly English of course) that he used to tell him later. Also, I told him about all the normal words in our language that are actually derived from e.g. Latin that he used. Yeah, maybe childish, but now he probably learnt quite a bit about our language and hopefully will refrain from calling me out when I use English words in the future.
@yunarukami143 жыл бұрын
@@solar0wind Do you happen to be Greek, btw?
@solar0wind3 жыл бұрын
@@yunarukami14 No, but the first two letters are the same😂 I'm German. We have language purists as well😅
@yunarukami143 жыл бұрын
@@solar0wind Oh, Germany is one of my favourite countries. Cheers! A friend from Indonesia
@blcrlink3d1383 жыл бұрын
It’s scandalous how “logic” isn’t yet a subject taught in school to kids.
@williamjenkins49133 жыл бұрын
Kids brains are not done growing. They literally can't handle most critical thinking.
@fecomate25423 жыл бұрын
It is.
@blcrlink3d1383 жыл бұрын
@@williamjenkins4913 they can be taught. Like you teach them music and chess in early age. Same as logic
@juanausensi4993 жыл бұрын
Because the world runs on appeal to emotion.
@moniquemoen71253 жыл бұрын
Here, in the US, critical thinking is generally taught in the home, or not at all it seems. Sigh.
@SeverinHawkland7855 Жыл бұрын
I love this video. All of these fallacies explained clearly and shortly. I have always found it so annoying when people have these in their arguments, but i don't care enough to give a 1 hour explanation of it.
@juanemiliopacull25282 жыл бұрын
I didn't knew about the Fallacy fallacy, I loved it.
@marleee.21743 жыл бұрын
“The law of gravity can be repealed” *starts to float*
@PhilJonesIII3 жыл бұрын
I imagine that could be fun, for about 15 minutes.
@ronumpleby35173 жыл бұрын
One evening Rene Descartes went to relax at a local tavern. The tender approached and said, "Ah, good evening Monsieur Descartes! Shall I serve you the usual drink?". Descartes replied, "I think not.", and promptly vanished.
@hillaryclinton24153 жыл бұрын
Law of man vs law of nature. One is established, one just is.
@jamesfloyd18643 жыл бұрын
@@ronumpleby3517 "therefore" ...
@porcudracului3 жыл бұрын
@@ronumpleby3517 no reply to the best joke? Surely, they're joking. Sorry for calling you Shirley. Here's another one: What do you call a school superintendent without any subordinates? A man without principals.
@gary00441873 жыл бұрын
the republicans promised to end crime, yet there still is crime! the democrats promised to end poverty, yet there still is poverty! odin promised to end frost giants, where are the frost giants? vote odin 2022!
@John-doe9553 жыл бұрын
Finally, a political party I can get behind!
@ControlledWrinkles3 жыл бұрын
Check out Ragnarok on Netflix.
@unholycrusader693 жыл бұрын
@Popocot Popocot _arrrrrrr, off to the pirate bay we go, matey_
@evangoodman96583 жыл бұрын
Is odin running for congress?
@arbington3 жыл бұрын
Nah I’ll vote for the Loki Party.
@ryry854 Жыл бұрын
Burden of proof fallacy is my pet peeve because we see it in action all the time. "Prove God doesn't exist" is one of the common ones encountered. To which I usually reply "Prove my invisible pink Unicorn doesn't exist" 😂
@FirstnameLastname-bx4zk Жыл бұрын
Same thing with prove god does exist
@ryry854 Жыл бұрын
@@FirstnameLastname-bx4zk sorry, what do you mean?
@queenofhearts21418 ай бұрын
@@ryry854 They mean the fallacy works in both directions. Theist: “God is real.” Atheist: “Then prove it!” Theist: “Can you prove that he isn’t? No, you can’t. So he must be real.”
@reubenmanzo20542 жыл бұрын
There's one fallacy I really despise that wasn't on this list: double standard. Applying a certain set of rules to one thing, but not to another. Also, special pleading. Allowing an exception to the system for one specific phenomenon. And another one, circular reasoning. A chain of arguments that ultimately lead back where you started, which has a lot of overlap with Begging the Question.
@jliller Жыл бұрын
The problem with Double Standards is that the people holding them are usually completely aware of the hypocrisy and absolutely do not care.
@delux4204 жыл бұрын
Title: 31 logical fallacies in 3 minutes Alternative Title: *Every type of crazy uncle in 3 minutes*
@borucharnold94064 жыл бұрын
Or one super uncle in 3 minutes.
@ozen33483 жыл бұрын
It's 8 minutes
@zzzcocopepe3 жыл бұрын
Twitter and reddit in three minutes
@borucharnold94063 жыл бұрын
@@zzzcocopepe I don't see many fallacies on Reddit. People there usually just say you're wrong and downvote you. That's not a logical fallacy, it's saying shut up and conform to the hive mind.
@zzzcocopepe3 жыл бұрын
@@borucharnold9406 lol don't be contradictory
@illbeinyourdreams52595 жыл бұрын
Well 23 thousand likes can't be wrong
@woodronald17585 жыл бұрын
@@optimisticwhovian1726 And who are you, someone with 0 likes, to say that Hitler would have gotten thousands of likes. Therefore he wouldn't have gotten thousands of likes!
@thedolphin54285 жыл бұрын
Is that a drole attempt at a logical fallacy? 23,000 people can definitely be wrong about something, anything.
@optimisticwhovian17265 жыл бұрын
lol Do you wana try that sentence again dipshit cos I know what's 0 at the moment, your sense. @@woodronald1758
@xeronimo15865 жыл бұрын
"It is naively assumed that the fact that the majority of people share certain ideas or feelings proves the validity of these ideas and feelings. Nothing is further from the truth. Consensual validation as such has no bearing whatsoever on reason or mental health. Just as there is a folie à deux there is a folie à millions. The fact that millions of people share the same vices does not make these vices virtues, the fact that they share so many errors does not make the errors to be truths, and the fact that millions of people share the same mental pathology does not make these people sane." - Erich Fromm
@sachinjoseph5 жыл бұрын
I see what you did there ;-) Ad populum! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
@tedbabcock5887 Жыл бұрын
Very nice, thanks for this! But I think I have a quibble with your description of the Gambler’s Fallacy. Someone under its sway would not believe that the streak of red makes the next play more likely to be red, but the opposite: that the red streak makes black more likely next.
@ribbonsofnight Жыл бұрын
You seem to be right but I think there are a reasonable amount of people who use it to mean either. I'm fascinated that the wikipedia article says that the reverse straight up isn't a fallacy. People very rarely believe in "streaks" with a big enough sample size that we should readily assume a die is not fair or a coin is biased etc.
@WerkshopGI4 ай бұрын
I have a fallacy thats related to if=then. I called it Assumption in the Model; short for “it’s true if you believe the assumption in the model”. I work in politics my wife in medical research. And we’ve both found many examples where claims are made about outcomes being related to causes, but when you examine more closely the connections are dubious because the leaps have to be taken to give standing to a premise.
@BertleMcGertle2 ай бұрын
That sounds like a begging the question fallacy.
@holdtightandpretenditsapla96043 жыл бұрын
"Yoga teachers are not dietitians. Therefore, I should eat cake." I don't know, this logic seems very sound to me...
@RogerCRocha3 жыл бұрын
HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan 🤣
@macleadg3 жыл бұрын
HoldTightAndPretendItsAPlan Clearly wrong. You should not eat cake. You should send it to me to eat it on your behalf.
@grumpyoldman34583 жыл бұрын
I need to think about that ... ... while I eat this cake.
@purplepeopleperson38153 жыл бұрын
@@grumpyoldman3458 Here, have my piece of cake too, so you can think about it longer, lol. While you're doing that I will be baking a second cake.
@grumpyoldman34583 жыл бұрын
@@purplepeopleperson3815 Thanks.
@la16493 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, You said the the key sentence... “It is good to point at what it is that makes meaningful discussions impossible” I appreciate that wording very much because you did not say point at who. Love that! Just one word makes a big difference.
@RandyKaplanMusic2 жыл бұрын
Yep. She avoided the ad hominem fallacy there!
@herbiewalkermusic Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jill! 😊 This is super useful and important for everyone to watch.
@MonkOrMan Жыл бұрын
4:14 _platypi_ is actually the incorrect plural. If you wanna stay true to it's Greek origins then it's _platypodes_ but realistically it's just _platypuses_ innit
@josephmanno45143 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Jill, for noting the distinction between Appeal to Authority and Fallacious Appeal to Authority. Even some logicians fail to differentiate the two on occasion.
@brinckau2 жыл бұрын
I think it's always a fallacy. But it's a formal fallacy, not an informal fallacy (see Wikipedia). If I'm an 8 year-old and say that Einstein was wrong about relativity, then formally, being an 8 year-old versus Einstein doesn't prove that I'm wrong. But informally, everybody knows that I'm wrong. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
@friedrice2072 жыл бұрын
@@pashadyne 1:57 she mentions it right here :)
@friedrice2072 жыл бұрын
@@pashadyne click the timestamp.
@friedrice2072 жыл бұрын
@@pashadyne I did. That's how I found it. :)
@friedrice2072 жыл бұрын
@@pashadyne she only mentioned "fallacious appeal to authority" by name but basic comprehension skills that we all learn as children allow you to read between the lines, appealing to an authority on a subject (e.g. what a doctor says about a medical issue) is one thing, what makes it fallacious is when you appeal to an authority on a subject that is completely different to the topic on hand, e.g. what a doctor says about music theory. although she did not use the words "appeal to authority" precisely the only place in this section where she makes a distinction is alluding to the fact that it is reasonable to defer to someone who is an authority on a particular subject, therefore utilizing basic comprehension we can assess this is what OP was referring to when they praised Jill for making a distinction. i entered this discussion trying to be completely civil, giving you a timestamp in case you missed something, but i have to say i really do not appreciate your condescending tone.
@pRahvi03 жыл бұрын
My favourite is the misusing of words because of the nearly endless comedy it can provide. E.g. in one episode of _The new adventures of Winnie The Pooh,_ the title character gets jailed for breaking the law of gravity.
@Gotofy1058 ай бұрын
Oh my god, I did not even know about the Tu Quoque fallacy and I hear that shit all the time, but didn't know why I found myself skeptical of those statements!
@yf-n7710 Жыл бұрын
I'm not sure which fallacy this is, but I remember hearing one with umbrellas as an example. "I've never gotten wet before. Clearly this umbrella just isn't necessary." (no, it just means the umbrella's working)
@pavlo1 Жыл бұрын
I think is post hoc ergo propter hoc, she should have included it
@WRLO563 жыл бұрын
One of my favourite - or least favourite - is the "no argument argument", in which you simply state a surprising/shocking fact in such a way that it makes your side look noble and virtuous, while making the other side appear the embodiment of evil. Example: "In the recent war between Fantasia and Narnia, 3000 Narnian children were killed by Fantasian rockets, while only 50 Fantasian children died from Narnian gunfire. Implied conclusion: "Good lord, those poor Narnians! Those Fantasians are horrible baby-killing monsters!" Alternative explanation: Fantasians moved their children out of the contested areas, and installed bomb shelters in all schools and daycare centres; while the Narnians used their own children as human shields and child soldiers.
@SaimaTheGreat3 жыл бұрын
Holy shit. This is why the whole picture is so important
@eidiazcas3 жыл бұрын
Cherry picking
@benzenefire3 жыл бұрын
👌👌👌
@jarahfluxman203 жыл бұрын
You're really trying to lather on the Israel Palestine thing here
@WRLO563 жыл бұрын
@@jarahfluxman20 Well, you're the one who made that connection. So obviously, there's some truth to my point, then.
@nathanwebb2634 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but Gambler's Fallacy has been bad logic for so long it's bound to pay off sometime!
@tomd.90974 жыл бұрын
@@countdamoney8128 it wouldn't matter either way, it's still 50/50
@jamesonrosen17734 жыл бұрын
@@countdamoney8128 the law of averages is only a way to predict possible outcomes. Even if you get 15 heads in a row that says nothing about the possible outcomes as the math doesnt change.
@commandercaptain46644 жыл бұрын
Ultimate Gambler's Fallacy - C-3PO: The odds of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720:1! Han: Never tell me the odds!
@jeanf62954 жыл бұрын
@@countdamoney8128 nope because you are dealing with conditional probabilities : "what is the odd of the coin falling on head if the previous 15 toss ended in a head ?" is not the same question as "what is the odd of the coin falling 16 times on heads ?". In fact it would be more rational to put it on heads, the coin tosses could be biased.
@jeanf62954 жыл бұрын
@@countdamoney8128 For a fair game, The probability of getting heads at the 16th throw is 1/2, no matter what the previous sequence was. The full sequence of 16 heads has the same (low) probability of occurring than the full sequence of 15 head followed by a tail (one in 65536). But at this point, with the limited information available, the initial assumption that the game is fair becomes quite unlikely : assuming trows remain independents, the more heads you get the more you should play heads.
@notyetdeleted63198 ай бұрын
A few things that may not fit the definition of a fallacy but are often parts of people making arguments in bad faith: The steady-step fallacy, related to the slippery slope fallacy. Just because something can stop at a point, does not mean it will stop at that point. The Definitional fallacy: someone defines a term a particular way and expects all others to accept that definition as true. And finally for now, The conflation of personal contempt with ad-hominem. Essentially, someone can say that their opponent in an argument is evil, and that their argument is wrong, as two separate things. See: “Your argument is wrong because I hate you” (fallacious) “Your argument is wrong and I hate you.” (Not-fallacious)
@ZOCCOK Жыл бұрын
Fallacious Appeal to Authority: Dream bringing an Expert in Astrophysics to prove that he didn't cheat in Minecraft.
@alexbeltran95255 жыл бұрын
Ha! Reminds me of *insert political party* !
@aaronshan514 жыл бұрын
take a shot everytime a politician uses a logical fallacy during a debate
@michaelstuart13254 жыл бұрын
Aaron Shan but I don’t want to die!
@aaronjones16663 жыл бұрын
Damn Whigs
@IncrediPaulAZ3 жыл бұрын
@@aaronshan51 we'll be wasted in minutes lol!
@shevek51853 жыл бұрын
Ben Shapiro
@colt46674 жыл бұрын
If a convicted bank robber tells you not to rob banks that is still good advice.
@colt46674 жыл бұрын
@Chris Jones I never thought of that.
@The2681704 жыл бұрын
I recommend against robbin' a bank.
@The2681704 жыл бұрын
@Chris Jones build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. Heh.
@Xiph19804 жыл бұрын
Are you really going to take advice from a convicted criminal??
@The2681704 жыл бұрын
@@Xiph1980 dont be a bigot
@mrdudeguy4537 Жыл бұрын
A lot of these is how my sister argues, especially moving the goalposts.
@ThomasYoung-mc7rg Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed your presentation. I would like to add something more about affirming the consequent, a formal logical fallacy in the form of: If A is true, then B is true; B is true; therefore A is true (If there is an intruder, then my dog barks; my dog barks; therefore, there is an intruder). Even though this is invalid, it may still be useful as a hypothesis. If your dog barks, there may be an intruder, so you or someone else can check if there is an intruder when you hear the dog bark. There is one form of affirming the consequent that is disastrous and doesn’t work at all, even as a hypothesis. It is affirming the consequent for complex past events or ACCPE. You can call it the Sherlock Holmes fallacy. Sherlock Holmes claimed to reason backwards: he would look at physical evidence clues and using his superior mind, intuitively determine the succession of past events that led to those clues. Although used constantly in detective fiction, this doesn’t work in real life, yet numerous people are convicted of crimes frequently based on this logical fallacy perpetrated by forensic doctors, scientists, police officers and prosecutors. I further explain the problem in my book, The Sherlock Effect: How Forensic Doctors and Investigators Disastrously Reason like the Great Detective. My name is Thomas Young. You and your readers should check out the book.
@yeetusselfdefeetus45665 жыл бұрын
"take this belladonna, its very natural" *dies of laughter* ... *and then dies of poisoning*
@jmagana1665 жыл бұрын
Yeetus Self Defeetus 🤣
@dodododododododo82165 жыл бұрын
Self destructivus
@jlupus88044 жыл бұрын
YOLO: You Only Die Twice
@metaparalysis34414 жыл бұрын
here take some glowy frog poison
@pd41653 жыл бұрын
'dies laughing' would be a more efficient, and pointed, use of words.
@robertlehnert41484 жыл бұрын
Chronological Snobbery (Opposite of Appeal to Tradition): Something is more valid because it is modern, newer.
@giasharie2744 жыл бұрын
This one should have been included as well
@feanorofsunspear23204 жыл бұрын
chronological snobbery is newer and therefore more valid
@robertlehnert41484 жыл бұрын
@@feanorofsunspear2320 if newer, more recent is ALL you got, it's still a fallacy.
@dontmisunderstand60414 жыл бұрын
That's just a non-sequitur, we don't really need to get more specific than that.
@robertlehnert41484 жыл бұрын
@@dontmisunderstand6041 Ok, Chronological Snobbery is newer, is more valid just because it's newer, hence a fallacy, gotcha
@graflovespeep2487 Жыл бұрын
My favorite is the Slippery Slope fallacy, because everytime someone asks 'Where are we gonna stop?', the answer is always somewhere.
@SingingSealRiana6 ай бұрын
Yeah, but somewhere IS Not very specific and I rather Not start then go way to far when IT comes to Things Like childabuse, pushing peoples bounderies, discrimination and coming Up with justifications to treat someone thats a Bit different Like subhuman. There are some slippery slopes where escalation IS proven to BE very likely and very detramental
@danielwarren71103 ай бұрын
yeah like the saying " always find my keys in the last place i look" well of course you are not going to continue looking for your keys once you have found them it is always in the last place you look --- is one of the saying i hate the most
@kaniobal2 Жыл бұрын
"...therefore I should eat cake." Yup, putting my shoes on, need cake now.