Jim Beam's BEST BOURBONS or BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENTS? | Hardin's Creek Jacob's Well vs Knob Creek 12

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Jim Beam Hardin's Creek Jacob's Well (107 proof, $150-200+) vs Knob Creek 12 Year (100 proof, $70)
We put this matchup into our blind head-to-head pool because Jim Beam's special release of Hardin's Creek Jacob's Well made some waves thanks to it's high age statement and equally high price tag, and we wanted to see if a more readily available Jim Beam product could go toe-to-toe with it in a blind tasting.
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@mikehintenach2503 Жыл бұрын

I couldn’t disagree with you more on the KC 12. It is absolutely one of the most underrated 12 year bourbons available.

@michelerivera6183 Жыл бұрын

100 percent agree!

@terrencemcdermott5840 Жыл бұрын

Completely agree!

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

We don't disagree with you in the least. 12 years for $70 is great value to be sure, and we do tend to enjoy it a lot more than this. All of us have off days for our palates sometimes. We'll drop KC12 into a head-to-head against KC9 and Jacob's Well into a head-to-head against Baker's 7 to give both a chance at retribution.

@brianfrydl2741 Жыл бұрын

100% Agree. KC12 is fantastic.

@MagicMike007 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely KC 12 is one of my favorites. Local store in Florida where I live has it for $54

@daven8905 Жыл бұрын

Something went wrong here I think lol. Maybe an off day for the palate?

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

We usually really enjoy Jacob's Well, and while KC12 hasn't wowed us in blinds before, it usually does perform better than this which is an indicator that it may have been our palates on this particular day as mentioned. Definitely important to note and highlight since days like this can happen to us all. Cheers and thanks for watching Daven!

@jimandcarole Жыл бұрын

Wow! Bad bottle or bad tasting day? KC 12 is one of my favorites. But it’s all good. Still love you guys. 😂

@paleggett1897 Жыл бұрын

Pasteboard is an indicator of an off day for tastebuds, perhaps ? KC12 is far above glue & wood dust…. plausibly an allergy season reaction? A good rye is always a better choice KC 12 is a go to of Bourbon for me.

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

It's done quite well for us in other tastings too. Perhaps an off day, or perhaps our bottle has went south. It is interesting that both of these come across a lot better when we're not blind, but that could speak to our inherent bias as well.

@davevogelsang6791 Жыл бұрын

Just picked up my 3rd backup bottle of Knob Creek 12 Year. Found it for $62 in Indiana, so I could not pass it up. Also love the Knob Single Barrel store picks. 🥃

@Josh_Stringer Жыл бұрын

I wonder if this is a symptom of batch filming. What do you guys do to reset your palates between shoots? Maybe a video idea. What are good foods to pair with bourbons? How to do a proper whiskey tasting?

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

This was our second head-to-head for the day, after Sazerac vs Michter's Rye, so two low proofers that didn't exactly impress. You'd think these two would shine like all-stars after that first head-to-head. We usually take several minutes between head-to-heads, clear our palates with lots of water, and don't start the next video until we feel like our palates are ready to go. If we feel like our palates aren't ready we'll shoot a Tuesday "talking head" video where we don't drink anything between head-to-heads.

@jameskruszka4768 Жыл бұрын

Erin, I love you. Keep saying exactly what you think, wether it be cardboard box or stinky feet. The honesty is appreciated and most helpful. Im surprised at your reactions to KC 12. It's become a staple in my cabinet. Never had the Hardins but at 150 it it does need to knock my socks off.

@Scott-co4dq Жыл бұрын

I too was surprised by the result for the KC 12. I have it and a 120 proof 9 year on the shelf but also realized that I rarely reach for them. The 9 is probably over 1½ years old and still ⅔ full. The 12 year has probably only had 2 pours from it and it's at lease 4 ~ 5 months old. They're decent but I don't find myself reaching for them.

@robertlear2712 8 ай бұрын

Knob Creek 12 year is one of my favorites. Very good stuff.

@travisrobeson306 Жыл бұрын

Well, y’all just found the name of your next series for pours that don’t deliver! 😂

@mrjiggs8 Жыл бұрын

I like KC12 a lot but I do keep 9yr picks at 120proof on hand at all times... to me one of the best bang for your buck bourbons out there, along with JD SB BP and EC BP and of course Rare Breed. Kinda my mount rushmore of Bourbons...curious what would be your top 4 or Mount Rushmore for under $100 an honrable mention of mine is SmokeWagon UNUF but the latest batches just not as good and vary batch to batch to much these days.

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

100% agreed on the recent SW UCUF batches being a downgrade over previous batches. The Mount Rushmore of bourbon under $100 is a super interesting concept for a video. We may do that. Off the top of our heads we wouldn't disagree with your lineup at all though. KC 120 SiB picks, Rare Breed, ECBP, and JDSBBP would be hard to argue with for those that enjoy higher proof.

@michaelhoffer9172 Жыл бұрын

Out of those two, I have only had the KC 12, Ok but nothing that I have to replace when it’s gone.

@Robert.Sheard Жыл бұрын

Got a KC 12 last month. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Also love the Baker's 7. Don't know the Hardin's Creek.

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

Thinking we need to do a KC9 vs KC12 and Jacob's Well vs Baker's 7 for the blind head-to-head pool to give both of these a chance to redeem themselves a bit on a day where our palates are more on point.

@Robert.Sheard Жыл бұрын

@@stuffandwhiskey Those would be good matchups. Now that I've tried the Baker's 7 (loved it) and both the KC 9 and 12, I'd like to try Booker's and the KC Single Barrel Reserve.

@user-fh4hv4nc1k 3 ай бұрын

Knob Creek 12Yr is one of my favorite. LOL

@1stamndmnt 6 ай бұрын

Interesting, I bought my first bottle of knob creek 12 because it was the last one and thought I’d give it a try without knowing anything about it, I thought it was delicious and smelt amazing. Then I looked up videos and saw nothing but great reviews that aligned with my experience. I guess that’s why there are so many options out there to choose from, we’re all different, I mean I hated four roses small batch select 😅. Anyway I’ll keep buying knob creek 12 over and over.

@applecrow8 Жыл бұрын

I had a bottle of Jacob's well in my hand at retail and put it back, really regret it. Im a big KC fan and the 12 year was a bit of a dissapointment because it seemed to round off all the edges of the 9 year. Between the two I'd grab the KC 9 single barrels over the 12 until I cam find a 12 yr 120 proof.

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

A KC9 vs KC12 head-to-head is definitely going in our pool. Can't wait til that pops up!

@eviltrain24 Жыл бұрын

At first I was thinking Erin was being a bit harsh but thinking about it, I kind of have to agree, at least a bit. A good nose can punch my score up a fair few points if the palette is good. But a muted/uninteresting nose won't result in me docking the same number of points down, again if the palette is good. So, a good amount of upside, but not too much downside. How I think of the finish is the opposite. I'll add a few points if the finish is good, but if the finish is bad, I tend to dock points from the score more harshly.

@aarongoss8514 Жыл бұрын

Y'all need a full-on redo on this one 😉 Love y'all sooo much. But that Rye (before this recording) totally jacked y'alls palates. Haha. KC12 is 🔥🔥

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

We did take a break but we don’t disagree. Wasn’t our day. We’ll be putting both into new head-to-heads.

@aarongoss8514 Жыл бұрын

@Stuff & Whiskey Please know I day this with all the love! None of us are "experts" and it is all part of the fun. Certain days, our palates are affected by certain things. Y'all keep up with great content!

@andresmaya4392 Жыл бұрын

I tried my bottle of KC12 while watching this. Found the flavor carrying over from aroma. Mouthfeel and finish were very good. Sorry it didn’t hit for you both. It’s a great 70 dollar bottle.

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

Some days it’s just like that. We’ll definitely be putting both back into head-to-heads and expect that they’ll fare much better the next time they pop up.

@Whiskey_BS Жыл бұрын

Erin has defined a new low standard for bourbon, “glass of disappointment”. 😂

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@edwardrice146 Жыл бұрын

For an easy sipper, Legent is a good Beam product. (and only $35)

@michaelhoffer9172 Жыл бұрын

I bought a bottle of Legent and was surprised how much I liked it.

@mikew4646 Жыл бұрын

Love KC12 which I think is highly underrated and quite good for the price, but everyone has different taste.

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

And even different tastes on different days. Cheers Mike!

@mikew4646 Жыл бұрын

@@stuffandwhiskey Spot on. I've tried things that didn't sit well on the palate on a given day and come back to it days or weeks later and loved it. Everything we consume on any given day affects how we perceive flavors. Love what you guys do. Keep up the great work! Cheers!

@whiskeyisajourney Жыл бұрын

Wow! Knob Creek 12 did not do so well in this one. Did not see that coming. Got to love blind tasting.

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

It was surprising for sure. Not that KC12 has blown us away in blinds before, but it usually does better than this. Between our palates being a little off and coming fresh off the heels of Jacob's Well, KC12 had a rough outing, but it's still great value for the age. We'll definitely have to get it in another head-to-head in hopes that it can redeem itself.

@chrispeden979 Жыл бұрын

What happened to the ratings and graphics? I found that valuable.

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

Us too. 90% of people didn't though and either skipped over them or completely turned our videos off, and they created an incredible amount of work in editing as well. At the end of the day the most important thing we can convey is whether or not we feel like the taste matches the price before we find out what we're drinking, so we simplified to ensure our core message wasn't getting lost on most viewers. Cheers and thanks for watching Chris!

@chrispeden979 Жыл бұрын

@@stuffandwhiskey yet it actually makes it harder to understand because sorry but y’all ramble a lot. Having a summary at the end is not that difficult. I’m not as experienced whiskey taster/drinker as y’all and it helped me greatly having a visual representation.

@michelerivera6183 Жыл бұрын

Oh, no! Y'all are hating on Knob Creek lately😂 I've never had Hardin's Creek but Knob Creek 12 is one of my ALL-TIME favorite bottles! Wins in blinds all the time for me. It's a 60 doll hair bottle here and I think it's 100 percent worth it.

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

We usually like both of these quite a bit as well. Jacob's Well has impressed in previous blinds, and while KC12 hasn't wowed us in blinds before, it usually does perform better than this, which is an indicator that it may have been our palates on this particular day as mentioned. Definitely important to note and highlight since days like this can happen to us all. Cheers and thanks for watching Michele!

@theswag5997 Жыл бұрын

I've gotten notes of pizza box on whiskies in the past.

@jmroz311 Жыл бұрын

Erin - stop chewing on cardboard before tasting and KC 12 would taste way better!! I have had 3 bottles of it over the past year and I absolutely love it! I get more oak which does mute some of the flavor... but it's still really good to me.

@thesoozeTJ Жыл бұрын

I couldn’t finish my bottle of KC12 - ended up trading it away. Just not my flavor profile I guess!

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

It do be like that sometimes, which is always a bit of a bummer. We can get you a sample of our KC12 bottle to see if you feel the same way. Could've just been that batch of KC12 or it very well may be the product's profile altogether for you.

@thesoozeTJ Жыл бұрын

@@stuffandwhiskey Come to think of it, I didn't care for the KC rye I had, and the KC 9yr is just okay for me. Hmmmm. I love Bookers though!

@C_H_1972 Жыл бұрын

HCJW is great. It’s basically an ultra aged Old Grand Dad. So is KC 12. We must have opposite pallets. Thanks for the video.

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

Or our palates we’re just off this day, as we do tend to like these two, but admittedly aren’t big fans of OGD.

@C_H_1972 Жыл бұрын

@@stuffandwhiskey I get it. There are days when some of my favorite bourbons taste bitter.

@Jared40 Жыл бұрын

Never had Knob Creek 12 here in Colorado its bout $70 really like Knob Creek 9 Year. Recently tried Bakers 7 and really love it!! Hardins Creek never seen it in the wild🤣🥃

@applecrow8 Жыл бұрын

Yeah Bakers is pretty solid. If you like the Beam lineup I heavily suggest the Beam Single Barrels for around $35. Great value.

@Jared40 Жыл бұрын

@@applecrow8 ya I got one once I actually liked it it was 108 proof one with twist cap. Wasn't bad at all!! I also liked Old Tub at 100 proof👍🏻🥃

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

Baker's is underrated if you ask us. We'll drop it into a head-to-head against Jacob's Well and see how that goes.

@jmartinez4460 Жыл бұрын

I’ve passed the knob 12 a couple times. I have Knob 9 and I don’t like it at all. I’m hoping it opens up and I can enjoy it. But because I dislike 9 so much that has made me pass on the the 12 year.

@Jared40 Жыл бұрын

Why don't you like it??

@madhatter5331 Жыл бұрын

My experience with KC12 is, let it open up for 3 to 4 months. After that it leveled out where I Enjoyed it. The ethanol disapated.

@jmartinez4460 Жыл бұрын

@@Jared40I have the knob 9 single barrel 120 proof. To me just tastes like dry peanuts. I like peanuts so idk why I don’t like this. I have had it awhile I’ll try it again soon.

@Jared40 Жыл бұрын

@@jmartinez4460 I got the 9 Year at 100 proof I get a slight peanut note I also got the 9 Year Single Barrel and I know what you mean. The bottle I got drank hot I had it on rocks and I loved it

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

We're not big fans of KC9 either, but KC12 usually performs MUCH better than this for us. Sounds like a head-to-head that needs to happen. We'll put that match up into our pool.

@WhiskyForBeginners Жыл бұрын

I've not had the Knob Creek 12 since I can't afford it, but it seems odd that a mere three more years in the barrel would turn good Knob Creek 9 into mediocre bourbon. I know that tasting blind can bring out reality in interesting ways, but I also know that many factors can make whisky taste different than it normally would. I wonder if one or more of those factors affected this tasting. Just FWIW, I'm drinking Knob Creek 9 even as I watch. 🥃

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

Great comment, and while on paper you're not wrong about three more years not making a huge difference (especially between 9 years and 12 years), barrel selection and blending do play a large part as well. Beam likely pulls "better" barrels for their 12 year releases. It's possible our bottle has gone south or we were just having an off day... likely the latter considering they both came across less flavorful than they normally do.

@dillonmartin2891 6 ай бұрын

KC 12 is $55 in MO very surprising it didn't taste good for ya

@stuffandwhiskey 6 ай бұрын

Quite a few KC12 videos coming up soon in other head-to-heads. Be sure to check those out. It's quite a testament to how the same pour can hit the same person differently on a different day. That said, everyone has their flavor profile preference, which is a beautiful thing. That's great pricing on KC12 in your market by the way. It's $70-80 here and allocated.

@LeatherDaddy97 Жыл бұрын

And yeah for 150 a bottle needs to be something very very special to me.

@jamesstreet1144 Жыл бұрын

Bourbon Bill told me that Knob Creek 12 varies greatly. Some are fantastic and others are just okay.

@SFguy415 Жыл бұрын

I think that on this occasion these two whiskeys turned the tables and were testing you two blind! Wonder where I could find their scores. Also, I'll echo another comment and add that, even if presented briefly and without additional detailed discussion, your "10 point" graphic was a helpful resource.

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

We liked the old scoring as well, but 90% of people either skipped over the scoring section or completely turned our videos off. Editing in the on-screen graphics created an incredible amount of work in editing as well. At the end of the day the most important thing we can convey is whether or not we feel like the taste matches the price before we find out what we're drinking, so we simplified to ensure our core message wasn't getting lost on most viewers.

@SFguy415 Жыл бұрын

@@stuffandwhiskey Fair enough. (I didn't know you could discern with such granularity and precision how people watch posts on youtube.)

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

@@SFguy415 the metrics are pretty thorough. You can see second-by-second audience retention data. It's cool and helpful stuff that we didn't really look at for a long time, but the data doesn't lie.

@SFguy415 Жыл бұрын

@@stuffandwhiskey Attention spans are getting shorter & shorter!

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

@@SFguy415 much to our chagrin. Maybe we'll start a long form podcast to combat the short attention spans.

@applecrow8 Жыл бұрын

I think you should mix this head to head and see if you get a different taste. Call it an Ex-spearmint.

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

We see what you did there! 😂

@LeatherDaddy97 Жыл бұрын

Kc 12 probably suffered from coming off the heels of the hardins. Also its $60 here. Thats msrp

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Between our palates perhaps being a bit off, and coming off Jacob's Well, KC12 was definitely at a disadvantage.

@larrymoffitt2386 Жыл бұрын

What's interesting is that many (most?) tasters will report a peanut note at least somewhere in the Jim Beam profile, amid the other usual bourbon notes. It may take until the third sip, but there's usually a nuttiness noticed. There may be an even more pronounced peanut note in the 9-year Knob Creek, IMHO. But neither of you encountered it in the KC 12. Sometimes in the blinds, the tasters if they're not careful, can tear a hole in the universe. You may have done that. I'm not saying the space-time continuum didn't have it coming, but still... I hope this will not affect my current earthly reality. I'm just getting used to it.

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

"I'm not saying the space-time continuum didn't have it coming" 😂😂 Love seeing your comments pop up Larry! This was an interesting one for sure. Both are more fruit-forward than most Beam products tend to be, and we both have a bit of "nutty blindness" as it can disguise itself as oak during blinds for both of us unless it's very peanut/peanut butter forward. We're going to put each of these into other head-to-heads in the blind pool (Jacob's Well vs Baker's 7 and KC12 vs KC9) to see how they fare in future blinds. We suspect they'll have better showings than they did here.

@ikeyeet8312 6 ай бұрын

KC12 is $47 here, i buy it by the 6 pack and get another 5% off. So damn good.

@stuffandwhiskey 6 ай бұрын

At that price for that quality there’s little reason to drink anything else cheaper if you ask us. That’s unreal value!

@timevans312 Жыл бұрын

The Hardin’s Creek might be worth a pour from a bottle instead of a sample. Mine was delicious 🥃

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

Since filming this we did get a bottle, and plan to drop it into a head-to-head against Baker's 7 to match up proof points more closely. We usually do enjoy it more than this so it may have just been our palates on this particular day.

@bobbalkovec Жыл бұрын

I'm with Erin, a 150 dollar bottle better be amazing.

@Hock3y24k 4 ай бұрын

Would you believe me if I said I just got knob 12 and Jacob’s well 211 for sub $200? Lol in NY!!!

@stuffandwhiskey 4 ай бұрын

Score!

@gregsmith3102 Жыл бұрын

The bottle I most regretted is Harding Creek. Even more so the COL James Beam. Just awful

@bigreb62 Жыл бұрын

Personally like KC 12

@stuffandwhiskey Жыл бұрын

We usually do as well. It hasn't wowed us in blinds before, but it usually does perform better than this, which is an indicator that it may have been our palates on this particular day as mentioned. Definitely important to note and highlight since days like this can happen to us all. Cheers and thanks for watching!

@jasonbennett499 Жыл бұрын

Must have been a poor kC12 bottle.

@stuffandwhiskey 11 ай бұрын

That's the easy answer, but we don't think that's it. Far more likely is that it just wasn't hitting our palates right that day, which isn't highlighted enough (but we're glad this video is able to call some attention to how your palate can differ on different days).