Jim Cornette on Hulk Hogan's Legacy

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3 жыл бұрын

From Episode 153 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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@lalberts
@lalberts 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan’s private life aside, the dude was hugely influential.
@brian9670
@brian9670 3 жыл бұрын
@John Volken damn, true words here
@nothing5283
@nothing5283 3 жыл бұрын
yes, cock
@maturanita
@maturanita 3 жыл бұрын
@Luc Alberts truer words have not been spoken, and I ain’t a Hogan fan
@RyanS881
@RyanS881 3 жыл бұрын
Both for Good and Bad
@AaronLesterMedia
@AaronLesterMedia 3 жыл бұрын
I love Jim but when he says Wrestling did bigger numbers on Network tv in the 50's well duh, there were only three channels and limited programming. So comparing Hogan's run to the 50's is like comparing Apples and prunes....
@jackstraw522
@jackstraw522 2 жыл бұрын
He seems to lack a lot of contextual knowledge outside the wrestling industry. The other pro athletes were poorly paid back then, the owners were just keeping it all. Once baseball broke the reserve clause is when salaries rose
@randallrigney420
@randallrigney420 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 37 and I would not be a wrestling fan if it wasn't for hulk Hogan.
@LilZeusWrld
@LilZeusWrld 3 жыл бұрын
Most people did
@johnriga9658
@johnriga9658 3 жыл бұрын
Me too
@KenpachiPoker
@KenpachiPoker 3 жыл бұрын
How do you know?
@crudohr
@crudohr 3 жыл бұрын
I love Cornette, but when he has a bias there is no sense in continuing talking to him about it.
@juicefargo4538
@juicefargo4538 3 жыл бұрын
@@crudohr his biggest flaw forsure.
@kevinazevedo6478
@kevinazevedo6478 3 жыл бұрын
Hulk’s heel run with nWo is so underrated. He drew as a good and a bad guy like no other.
@ninobrown4442
@ninobrown4442 3 жыл бұрын
How is it underrated? Plenty of folk point to his heel run as his greatest work. I agree on him being a great heel. He was exceptional during 96-98.
@kevinazevedo6478
@kevinazevedo6478 3 жыл бұрын
Sloth Fratelli Jim seemed to only be pointing out is work as a baby face. That’s all :)
@ElectricCool
@ElectricCool 3 жыл бұрын
He's the one guy who could be a top notch character and well like crazy either as a heel or more famously a face. I've never been a huge fan ...and even less now as an adult. But to be honest...there are no wrestling video games, merch lines, podcasts/series or even WrestleMania without Hogan.
@rolltide9547
@rolltide9547 3 жыл бұрын
That's the funniest thing I have seen posted about Hogan.
@richiehunt5097
@richiehunt5097 3 жыл бұрын
His heel run helped kill WCW. It was great at first, but then he had to wrestle and needed to gradually put guys over from veterans to younger guys over time. But his in ring work was so bad, combined with his terrible finisher, that nobody else got over to run with the ball and take WCW into the future. There was one PPV where Hogan headlined for WCW and drew a 0.13 buyrate to ECW's 0.24 buyrate on a PPV. Hogan was getting paid more than the entire ECW roster, combined. The initial turn was epic, but nothing after that really worked other than when he put Goldberg over.
@death2putin718
@death2putin718 3 жыл бұрын
In the 80’s when Hogan appeared, nobody remembered the wrestlers from 30 years earlier. Now, almost 40 years after Hogan showed up, he’s the top name of most people’s minds.
@markdejonge937
@markdejonge937 3 жыл бұрын
when i think of wrestling i think harley race ric flair dusty rhodes i was a nwa guy
@markdejonge937
@markdejonge937 3 жыл бұрын
@Damien Jones yeah no i was a hardcore nwa fan and new who they where
@death2putin718
@death2putin718 3 жыл бұрын
@@markdejonge937 yes they are 3 of the 4 pillars of the NWA, but they didn't revolutionize pro wrestling. I'm a WWF guy, but I don't think much about Bruno, Gorilla and whoever else was a pillar of the pre Hogan WWWF.
@richardtheconquerer
@richardtheconquerer 3 жыл бұрын
This is the key thing I think. Arn Anderson even pointed in one of WWE's million videos (I don't remember which one) "If you ask any person on the street about pro wrestling and they don't know anything about it, they'll say 'oh, that's what Hulk Hogan does'"
@gary.s5322
@gary.s5322 3 жыл бұрын
100% correct brother.
@easy_nator_gamer8498
@easy_nator_gamer8498 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not a Hogan guy but anyone who's made six+ figures in this business should thank him.
@rolltide9547
@rolltide9547 3 жыл бұрын
Not Steve Austin. It was Austin's star power who put WCW out while Hogan was there.
@rudymenchacaa9970
@rudymenchacaa9970 3 жыл бұрын
They did every single wrestler in the 80s did but I get the hate so much politics Hogan played
@easy_nator_gamer8498
@easy_nator_gamer8498 3 жыл бұрын
@@victor.elkins Hogan was making $10 million a year during his prime. Gagne, Lewis, Gorgeous George, whoever, etc.. never even sniffed that kind of money during their hey day.
@easy_nator_gamer8498
@easy_nator_gamer8498 3 жыл бұрын
@@rolltide9547 No way Austin makes $12 million during his prime in 99 if Hogan didn't set the bar making $10 million a year during his prime.
@easy_nator_gamer8498
@easy_nator_gamer8498 3 жыл бұрын
@@victor.elkins I said in my comment "six+ figures" Athletes didn't make as much back in the day, that's why many of them had second jobs in the off-season. Do your own research.
@emperortrevornorton3119
@emperortrevornorton3119 3 жыл бұрын
Love how travis heckle did a Hulk Hogan cartoon design Hulk Hogan's rock'n wrestling
@PLATINUMSWORDS
@PLATINUMSWORDS 3 жыл бұрын
Came to comment this, now I don't have to.
@shaedunbar9606
@shaedunbar9606 3 жыл бұрын
Hes talented... i would like to see him animate some of Corny's stories
@palletbitch
@palletbitch 3 жыл бұрын
Same that show was awesome when I was a kid
@EliC09
@EliC09 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan was hugely responsible for making wrestling mainstream, *BROTHER*
@getxbodi3d
@getxbodi3d 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly, right. Thank you for not being afraid to disagree with James E.
@bipolarminddroppings
@bipolarminddroppings 3 жыл бұрын
If you knew anything about the wrestling business, or just listened to Corny you would know wrestling was already mainstream long before Hogan. It got more viewers in the 50s than any time in Hogans career.
@lj7420
@lj7420 3 жыл бұрын
*No he wasn't. Vince was already on the verge to make wrestling mainstream & was ultimately responsible after Black Saturday. Flair & Kerry VE turned down Vince in '83 when they had more buzz than Hogan did in AWA. Thus Hogan was Vince's third & successful choice. Vince just needed a guy because he was already taking advantage of cable & closed-circuit TV.*
@shindean
@shindean 3 жыл бұрын
No, he just helped monopolize the industry for Vince. Then tried it again in another company where only he was allowed to have the title. The only reason he's worse than Cena is because he can't stop acting racist.
@maxxdahl6062
@maxxdahl6062 3 жыл бұрын
It was already mainstream, he just helped make one company national.
@markleopard8960
@markleopard8960 3 жыл бұрын
Like Bobby the Brain said. Everyone who complained about Hogan made sure they were on the same card . He also was the catalyst for wrestlemania.
@BeeBumper
@BeeBumper 3 жыл бұрын
Well no starcade 83 would have that honour. It was the first and clearly Vince had it in mind
@StrikeTeam0316
@StrikeTeam0316 2 жыл бұрын
Efffff hogan
@dejuans1328
@dejuans1328 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan going on Saturday Night Live was huge. Also being in Rocky was huge as well. There was a reason Saturday Night's Main Event came to be.
@kingvagar
@kingvagar 3 жыл бұрын
Don't forget his guest appearance in The A-Team 🔥🔥🔥💪🏽
@chrissawyer1484
@chrissawyer1484 3 жыл бұрын
Or his cover appearance on Sports Illustrated.
@therealCamoron
@therealCamoron 3 жыл бұрын
"Did Hogan really take the business any place it had never been before?" Uhh, yeah.
@balser77
@balser77 3 жыл бұрын
He did it twice with two different companies in two different decades. The attitude era/Austin or NWO would have never happened if Hogan simply choose to retire.
@therealCamoron
@therealCamoron 3 жыл бұрын
@@balser77 yeah, and let's be really honest, the only people who still thought wrestling was real in the 80s were those not paying attention, rubes, and children.
@charliebobandas6794
@charliebobandas6794 2 жыл бұрын
Austin drew the most. Austin the GOAT
@melekelewis2945
@melekelewis2945 2 жыл бұрын
@@charliebobandas6794 Hogan drew the most and did it more years
@jolahola044
@jolahola044 3 жыл бұрын
On Hulk Hogan's legacy: "neither here nor there". BAHAHAHA. Look at Corney over here no-selling the Hulkster. Come on.....
@sammmm87
@sammmm87 3 жыл бұрын
Yea I love corny but I'm not with him on this one lol
@richardtheconquerer
@richardtheconquerer 3 жыл бұрын
He waaaay overrates old wrestling. Yes, wrestling in the 50s got big ratings but there's a reason for that: there was almost nothing else on
@quentinkaasa47
@quentinkaasa47 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardtheconquerer and Jim Londos sold out smaller venues.
@kevincosgrove948
@kevincosgrove948 3 жыл бұрын
The NWO went on too long though. The whole Red and Black NWO groups got outta control. When Hogan turned at Bash at the Beach...it was a significant event. But 3 years after that, the NWO angel was getting milked to death
@jedsteelwell2354
@jedsteelwell2354 3 жыл бұрын
Not everyone likes Hogan! He did alot of good but was right there with Vince selling out and telling everyone inside shit which ruined wrestling
@xLordOfNothingx
@xLordOfNothingx 3 жыл бұрын
Hulk is one of the most recognized people AND pop culture characters in the world, he is bigger than wrestling.
@Topshelfmedia1
@Topshelfmedia1 3 жыл бұрын
Who had their own cartoon show while Michael Jordan, bo Jackson and Wayne Gretzky shared a cartoon show.
@TimTE01
@TimTE01 3 жыл бұрын
Hammer had a Show. NKOTB had one.
@robinblake5054
@robinblake5054 3 жыл бұрын
Everybody had a cartoon in those days.
@quentinkaasa47
@quentinkaasa47 3 жыл бұрын
John Candy, MC Hammer, ALF, the Fonz, Donnie & Marie, etc.
@tobiasfarragut292
@tobiasfarragut292 3 жыл бұрын
Pro stars was awesome I remember that and right after that wish kid with Macaulay Culkin lol
@CAPvsThor
@CAPvsThor 3 жыл бұрын
Sgt Slaughter was a GI Joe
@pickettpride6980
@pickettpride6980 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan was the reason 5 year old me got into wrestling in 1985.
@troll-fx2zc
@troll-fx2zc 2 жыл бұрын
What about danks
@Clubber-Slang
@Clubber-Slang Жыл бұрын
I'm in Maine, so we got WWF in the Northeast obviously. When my tiny town got cable, it was right in the middle of the Rock & Wrestling connection crossover halftime shows of the SuperBowl on MTV & the cartoon etc., so I'm right there with you! 5 in 85 myself lol. Once we got TBS on our version of cable I watched at 6:05 too and most of the actual wrestling admittedly was better. But, it I always, even as a kid, used the analogy of NWA/WCW was a country back road, unpaved and WWF was the tarred highway. Both have their absolute purpose and are enjoyable.
@hugheggs
@hugheggs 3 жыл бұрын
Hulk Hogan is one of the top most recognized and famous people alive today. This is not even something you can argue, its pure fact. Nearly every one on our planet knows who he is and what he looks like. Why on earth Cornette is downplaying this is beyond me.
@spetterman2916
@spetterman2916 3 жыл бұрын
Well he putting it from his point of view instead of how his legacy would be seen by most people.
@aeso3555
@aeso3555 3 жыл бұрын
"nearly every one on our planet"? Lol, I know everyone who knows the Rock from kids to Senior citizens, none of them know who Hulk Hogan is. Heck I didn't even know who Hulk Hogan was until his match with the undertaker on judgement day 2002.
@thunderparadise.704
@thunderparadise.704 3 жыл бұрын
Because Cornette is a NWA mark.
@quentinkaasa47
@quentinkaasa47 3 жыл бұрын
@@aeso3555 Hulk Hogan is the only wrestler synonymous with the entire industry. If you had never heard of him until some match with The Undertaker then you lived a pretty sheltered life.
@aeso3555
@aeso3555 3 жыл бұрын
@@quentinkaasa47 lol, living in a third world country and having barely any access to TV in the early days is somehow sheltered. Wow. People in the US take what they have for granted. GO ask someone who lives in Siberia, Tibet or Mongolia who Hulk Hogan is. Just because he was popular in the western world doesn't mean he was a god all over the world. This is not a diss on Hogan's impact on wrestling or his popularity, but to say the "nearly everyone on the planet" is a gross exaggeration. People back in my home think of the Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Undertaker and Triple H when they think of wrestling because that's when they had access to proper TV.
@themedianman9712
@themedianman9712 3 жыл бұрын
Just a different twist on the matter...Isn't the fact that Hogan is the subject of the question, the video is 10 minutes, and the comments will number in the thousands, enough evidence to keep him in the convo beyond half the guys Corny mentions? Lou Thesz made as much money as other athletes because there was no Nike around to make Wilt Chamberlain the world's highest paid athlete. Hogan made money for himself, his promoter, and......his opponents. The NBA used to be on tape delay before Bird and Magic. Now the benchwarmer on the worst team is essentially set for life. It's about shifting the curve. Hogan did that. Or perhaps most accurate, he was the vessel that was used to make the shift happen.
@dmtdj
@dmtdj 3 жыл бұрын
Honky Tonk Man used to say it, and I agree. You go anywhere in the world, people know three things. The current president of the US, Coca-Cola, and Hulk Hogan. I can't imagine any other wrestler holding that spot.
@LegendKiller14196
@LegendKiller14196 3 жыл бұрын
Undertaker.
@alexalexalex797
@alexalexalex797 3 жыл бұрын
@@LegendKiller14196 the only one that comes close is the rock. Even people that have no idea about wrestling know Hogan and the rock
@theunknown7441
@theunknown7441 3 жыл бұрын
The rock stone cold, john cena and rick flair too was well known all over the world
@alexalexalex797
@alexalexalex797 3 жыл бұрын
@@theunknown7441 its the rock hogan and cena. The others arent know in the same global level. A villager in rural africa wont know ric flair, or austin. But I guarantee he will know hogan, rock or cena.
@brunneng38
@brunneng38 3 жыл бұрын
@@LegendKiller14196 😂😂😂 Yeah okay
@stretchluv
@stretchluv 3 жыл бұрын
As a kid in the 80s, nothing was bigger than Hulk Hogan chopping down a giant. His promos pumped us up and he had huge pops entering the ring, coming back to win, and then celebrating.
@Mr.GoldCoast516
@Mr.GoldCoast516 3 жыл бұрын
In the 80's nothing was bigger
@StrikeTeam0316
@StrikeTeam0316 2 жыл бұрын
Efffff hogan
@TombstoneChris
@TombstoneChris 3 жыл бұрын
This artwork is awesome. Seeing it drawn in the style of Hulk Hogan's Rock N Wrestling takes me back to a simpler happier time.
@jrsmith1998
@jrsmith1998 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Bro. I appreciate the love. I enjoy when people appreciate my artwork.
@boozie773
@boozie773 3 жыл бұрын
Not giving Hogan enough credit here. He is definitely on the Mount Rushmore of pro wrestling.
@td163
@td163 3 жыл бұрын
@Lord Belial very objective and unbiased and true. This is why he was nicknamed The Brain
@madddoggnogood1491
@madddoggnogood1491 3 жыл бұрын
Not for me. Rock and taker have surpassed him in every way. Hogans political backstage bullshit has diminished his stature a lot with fans who arent blinded by what he did in the 80s. He never put over anyone and he used his clout to keep others out of the spot. So did hbk.....but at least hbk in ring performance was so above and beyond anything else that it overshadows his tendency to be an asshole. The only time I was even remotely entertained by Hogan was as Hollywood Hogan. Ali was the greatest not just because of his boxing career but because of everything else. Outside of the ring .....hogan is known as a selfish, backstabbing, egomaniacal doofus . If I'm doing the mt. Rushmore of professional wrestling Flair Rock Austin Taker I'd put dusty, savage and andre before I'd put Hogan back up there
@td163
@td163 3 жыл бұрын
@@madddoggnogood1491 I respect your position but ah you must not know Taker, bc his backstage politics were bigger than Hogan's. If anything he pounced on the political stance with Vince when Hogan went to Atlanta
@madddoggnogood1491
@madddoggnogood1491 3 жыл бұрын
@@td163 If taker was political...he was extremely bad at it. Because he was never the guy.
@gambit77
@gambit77 3 жыл бұрын
@@madddoggnogood1491 No way you can talk about not liking a wrestler for backstage politics and say you like Austin. Stone Cold was notorious for not wanting to put people over to the point he took a break from the company because he wasn't going to get his way. The Rock was always the one willing to put over people. He gave Brock and Goldberg the rub when Austin bulked.
@jasonbowser5754
@jasonbowser5754 3 жыл бұрын
Jim’s view will always be skewed on Hulk because he is the one that helped destroy all the territories. Hogan is by far the biggest name in wrestling and that isn’t debatable (except maybe the Rock). Jim just hated the WWE version of wrestling
@td163
@td163 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed
@jordandennis6794
@jordandennis6794 3 жыл бұрын
Cornette knows it to, just doesn't want to admit it.
@jasonbowser5754
@jasonbowser5754 3 жыл бұрын
Lord Belial there is a reason for that. Hulk can cut a promo and get the crowd going nuts, but the dude just can’t act 😂😂. Although, I still think suburban commando is hilarious
@EliC09
@EliC09 3 жыл бұрын
@@jasonbowser5754 the Rock can't act either. He's the same bland character in all his movies
@jasonbowser5754
@jasonbowser5754 3 жыл бұрын
eliborio camacho I disagree. Wow sometimes I think he is bland, he can put in a good performance. I thought he was extremely effective in gridiron gang.
@moondog3056
@moondog3056 3 жыл бұрын
Is he really serious? I was waiting for him to say the Midnight Express were greater than Hogan.
@BeeBumper
@BeeBumper 3 жыл бұрын
They couldn't stand next to the Quebecers
@viperrecords3288
@viperrecords3288 4 ай бұрын
He can’t be objective
@MilMaska
@MilMaska 3 жыл бұрын
"You (Vince McMahon) took Hulk Hogans blood and build Titan Towers" - Paul Heyman
@TriplomatX
@TriplomatX 3 жыл бұрын
Heyman with his mouth was gasoline thrown into a burning fire. That line was blazing
@knuke9596
@knuke9596 3 жыл бұрын
and Bruno Sammartino
@Tre_Ason_Number7
@Tre_Ason_Number7 3 жыл бұрын
That was his best promo ever
@TriplomatX
@TriplomatX 3 жыл бұрын
@@knuke9596 that was his father
@Sparkledash1
@Sparkledash1 3 жыл бұрын
If Heyman made the same promo today like in 2001, he would also add "you took the Undertakers streak and made the WWE Network."
@blackjack23able
@blackjack23able 3 жыл бұрын
from children to old people when you think wrestling, you think Hulk Hogan.
@BranDamBlagg
@BranDamBlagg 3 жыл бұрын
Nope.... Ric Flair
@blackjack23able
@blackjack23able 3 жыл бұрын
@@BranDamBlagg I'm a huge flair fan but name one huge nighttime talk show that Ric Flair appeared on meanwhile Hulk Hogan appeared on Johnny Carson, Jay Leno, Arsenio Hall, Joan Rivers etc...
@td163
@td163 3 жыл бұрын
@Chris Hughes exactly. Grandmas knew who hulk hogan was because he was worldwide,Flair was the south and local television, which is why Jim holds him in high regard because Jim ran Southern promotions
@chozahfearless7524
@chozahfearless7524 3 жыл бұрын
@Bubba Sawyer really I mentioned flair around several non wrestling fans and they are well aware of who he is. Not on Hogan's level of popularity but still I would say Flair's a household name.
@seanMmaguire1
@seanMmaguire1 3 жыл бұрын
When I think of wrestling I think of Austin and The Rock (was born in 1991).
@elijahchesterthomas5334
@elijahchesterthomas5334 3 жыл бұрын
Trying to downplay Hulk Hogans cultural significance in any way is ridiculous. Ask anyone over 35 in the world to name a wrestler. It will not be the Rock. It will not be Stone Cold Steve Austin. It will be Hulk Hogan. I was around in the 80s and that is just facts. He was the most recognizable sports figure in the world besides for Muhammad Ali and maybe Michael Jordan after 1988.
@markjones952
@markjones952 3 жыл бұрын
Elijah Chester Thomas its hard to explain to someone under 30 how big Hogan was in the mid to late 1980s.
@Shagrath71
@Shagrath71 3 жыл бұрын
You're right. Jim can do what he does best and shit on things, but at one time if you said professional wrestling the first thing that popped into the average person's head was Hulk Hogan. He was world wide famous beyond just wrestling.
@RandalfElVikingo
@RandalfElVikingo 3 жыл бұрын
If you ask in México Hogan will never be mentioned because he was only big in Japan and USA.
@da5e
@da5e 3 жыл бұрын
In the world? A proportion are going to invoke Big Daddy and Giant Haystacks, there.
@RandalfElVikingo
@RandalfElVikingo 3 жыл бұрын
@Mr. Triple Crown I've heard that Europe loves those El Santo movies lol
@Raymund0
@Raymund0 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you mostly Corny but not this time. You are dillusional if you don't give Hulk Hogan the proper credit he deserves, like him or hate him.
@piperar2014
@piperar2014 3 жыл бұрын
It seemed like a fair review. What specifically is Jim not giving Hulk credit for?
@colonelkenpachi5009
@colonelkenpachi5009 3 жыл бұрын
@@piperar2014 Hulks work in Japan was great he's not known for his work in Japan but once you see his promo work in Japan and how different he was compared to what he was in AWA and WWF.
@manuginobilisbaldspot424
@manuginobilisbaldspot424 3 жыл бұрын
@@piperar2014 The fact that wrestling enjoyed a secondary boom in the mid 80's and yes, by proxy, the NWA got a bump too because Hogan made pro wrestling more accessible to everyone. I was watching NWA in Fresno, California because they independent station saw the numbers they got for Championship Wrestling (then Superstars) and decided they wanted more of it, so they got the syndication for NWA WorldWide, then Pro. Hogan's enormous reach enabled that. There was no distinction of WWF style 'entertainment' and the NWA 'rasslin' here on the West Coast. It was just an extra hour of pro wrestling on Saturday, which was awesome.
@lautheimpaler4686
@lautheimpaler4686 3 жыл бұрын
@@colonelkenpachi5009 good. Not great.
@insupportofjunhado
@insupportofjunhado 3 жыл бұрын
@Joe Greene I seem to remember a match with a log roll being taken seriously a fireball going off in someone's face. A match I will never forgive for pretty much killing the fireball in this country while making the rog roll a move kids on the indies did until quarantine. I also recall before the nWo there was this program with this group called The Dungeon Of Doom.
@brian9670
@brian9670 3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t Hogan be the first big time merch seller in wrestling? I know there was merch before him but it seemed like when he blew up in WWF it was the first time you would see wrestling shirts/merch in public.
@RandalfElVikingo
@RandalfElVikingo 3 жыл бұрын
El Santo maybe did that before anyone else.
@RandalfElVikingo
@RandalfElVikingo 3 жыл бұрын
@ShadowAngel What part of Europe? For example, I just recently learned Spain has quite a wrestling fanbase (the call wrestling "pressing catch" for some reason lol) and of course we have the U.K.
@coachmikesfilmroom3111
@coachmikesfilmroom3111 3 жыл бұрын
@@RandalfElVikingo dunno about pressing, but catch probably refers to catch wrestling.
@user2176
@user2176 3 жыл бұрын
@Scottish It was the same thing in Ontario, Canada. Hulk Hogan was wrestling to us as kids, we didn't know anything else about wrestling or the business of wrestling. I remember the figures were huge at school, and we used to collect the trading cards that came with a stick of gum. I remember Steamboat was very popular also because he was the IC champ and he looked like Bruce lee with bigger muscles, and the British Bulldogs were tag champs and beloved, and Andre was most feared and respected. Not sure about other areas of Canada, I know Montreal had a long history of wrestling and local promotions, but most of my cousins who grew up in that area had the WWF figures, we used to argue who would win in a real fight, Hogan or Mike Tyson, and usually would decide Hogan would win, that's how impactful the WWF marketing machine was at brainwashing kids. I think Calgary area was different with Stampede wrestling, but Vince took most of their top guys by that time, The Bulldogs where already the top WWF team and the Hart Foundation were top tag team heels already.
@chadk890
@chadk890 3 жыл бұрын
@ShadowAngel Even Bret said that wrestlers used to shake his hand and thanked him for putting food on their table. You make money being on his cards and working with Hogan
@YeTism
@YeTism 3 жыл бұрын
The greatest icon in wrestling, brother. Love him or hate him.
@scottmcginn2169
@scottmcginn2169 3 жыл бұрын
Hogans ring psychology was off the charts, his charisma was always a major pull, he looked like a god, he did everything well.
@mrg8581
@mrg8581 3 жыл бұрын
Hulk Hogan was on the cover of Sports Illustrated in 1985. How many other pro wrestlers can claim that?
@ErwalDeeas
@ErwalDeeas 3 жыл бұрын
Came for this comment. Thank you!!!
@mrg8581
@mrg8581 3 жыл бұрын
@@ErwalDeeas 👍
@towserfm
@towserfm 3 жыл бұрын
Not fucking Jim Londos, that's for sure.
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy 3 жыл бұрын
Lots of models were on the cover of Sports Illustrated. It doesn't mean anything.
@PhillipCummingsUSA
@PhillipCummingsUSA 3 жыл бұрын
@@RyanAcidhedzMurphy Having the same argument in every comment thread doesn't mean anything.
@lrlong1285
@lrlong1285 3 жыл бұрын
Jim... Come on... Hogan undeniably brought fans from outside wrestling into wrestling. He was a big pioneer in wrestlers going into movies (Vince favored this but it was blasphemy to Vince Sr). And he was the #1 reason WCW was able to not only pose a legitimate threat to WWF but actually top them in ratings for over a year. As a black man who could easily write Hogan off for some of his remarks, I can easily acknowledge Hulkster DID bring wrestling to places it never been. Brian... if we have to give Vince the credit for Hulk's success because he pushed Hogan than Jim has to give all the credit to Vince for Rock's success in the Attitude Era too. Come on. First time I ever disagreed with Jim's sentiments.
@jeepernj99
@jeepernj99 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you 100%. Cornette acting like Hogan wasn't a big deal is comical.
@Hizzoner21
@Hizzoner21 3 жыл бұрын
Well said!
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy 3 жыл бұрын
And when all those fans, who were children, grew up a bit they stopped watching. He wasn't the first pro-wrestler to be in movies, not by a long shot. Hogan was in WCW for years before the NWO happened, if it really was him and him alone, then they wouldn't have taken so long to be successful. Not that it really was successful. WCW only made a profit about 18 months the entire time it existed. Hogan is also one of the main reasons WCW died. So if you're going to give him all the credit for the brief success they did have, then you also need to remember that it was his back stage BS and abusing his creative control clause that caused a lot of the s*** that ran WCW into the ground.
@c.l.freeman7654
@c.l.freeman7654 3 жыл бұрын
@@RyanAcidhedzMurphy lol. Hogan was why they turned a profit at all and that was before NWO. Quit reading bullshit on the internet
@c.l.freeman7654
@c.l.freeman7654 3 жыл бұрын
@@RyanAcidhedzMurphy Ted Turner selling WCW is why it died
@joeybrabham8091
@joeybrabham8091 3 жыл бұрын
Years ago hogan was in the top 3 of most famous people in the world. Still one of the recognized people in the world. No wrestler had the longevity that hogan has
@TheWHIPShowPodcast
@TheWHIPShowPodcast 3 жыл бұрын
It kills me when ppl act like Hogan wasn't the biggest star in pro wrestling!
@notd0ll109
@notd0ll109 3 жыл бұрын
He might have been one of the biggest stars period in the world. I mean even today, everybody at least knows the name Hulk Hogan
@animalize7885
@animalize7885 3 жыл бұрын
That would be Stone Cold Steven Austin
@thefreakyrobber0
@thefreakyrobber0 3 жыл бұрын
The young dumb generation gonna say Stone Cold or Rock🤦🏾‍♂️
@flyguy7825
@flyguy7825 3 жыл бұрын
@@thefreakyrobber0 Dude Rock and Austin are right there as the biggest names in wrestling
@flyguy7825
@flyguy7825 3 жыл бұрын
@Charming Billy And how many people know who he is?
@Evs78101
@Evs78101 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair, you are asking a guy who was on the other team competing against him every week
@exorphitus
@exorphitus 3 жыл бұрын
Hulk Hogan's wrestling legacy is that he is the embodiment of the phrase "You either die the hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain".
@johntaylor8522
@johntaylor8522 3 жыл бұрын
Corny is way off on this take Hogan transformed wrestling
@adamwebb1987
@adamwebb1987 3 жыл бұрын
Steroids in wrestling has be around before
@millec60
@millec60 3 жыл бұрын
@@adamwebb1987 It's not just that. Hogan was larger than life. He was a superhero.
@SuperMarry23
@SuperMarry23 3 жыл бұрын
No he destroyed wrestling. Cartoon wrestling is the reason why the business is on it ass today.
@SpaceGhost92
@SpaceGhost92 3 жыл бұрын
Paul A fat goofy manager carrying a tennis racquet while getting beaten up in comedy spots was like the definition of a cartoon
@shoto7948
@shoto7948 3 жыл бұрын
@@SuperMarry23 if it wasn't for hulkamania wrestling would've been a dead sport years ago
@andrewblanchard2398
@andrewblanchard2398 3 жыл бұрын
HULK HOGAN was the AMERICAN SPIRIT in the 1980's he was the RED , WHITE & BLUE
@chadhoganlive
@chadhoganlive 3 жыл бұрын
My real life last name is Hogan, and all of my life, people have asked me if I was related to the Hulkster. Stupidly, I always said no. If only I would have ribbed the randoms in school who thought I was Hulk Hogan's nephew/kid. Oh well!
@brian9670
@brian9670 3 жыл бұрын
Should have worked the marks, brother!
@CallMeShoe
@CallMeShoe 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan ushered in two renaissance periods of wrestling, he kick started the golden era of WWE and then gave traction to the Monday Night Wars. He was the prefect leader for the NWO and countered Vince McMahons product. Once Vince’s ally now his arch nemesis. If WCW didn’t fold, Hogan still would’ve been apart of it in some capacity. Wrestling needed Hogan to jump ship to revive again. TNA tried to use Hogan to upstart it’s brand but it failed, but Hogans contributions will always be positive. He influenced so many wrestlers such as the Rock, Cena, Edge etc. We need more wrestler who were inspired by him so they can learn from his charisma.
@StrikeTeam0316
@StrikeTeam0316 2 жыл бұрын
Efffff hogan
@TrevzTv
@TrevzTv 3 жыл бұрын
Anybody who hasn’t seen Hogan vs. Muta in Japan go find it now.
@zakrowe1301
@zakrowe1301 3 жыл бұрын
I wish the American audience cared as much about work rate as the Japanese do
@GorditoCrunch343
@GorditoCrunch343 3 жыл бұрын
@@zakrowe1301 It's different strokes. America loves guys who can talk and are charismatic. In Japan, its more of the physicality that sells the product.
@ericdale4641
@ericdale4641 3 жыл бұрын
I saw one of Hulk's Japanese matches. It turns out Hogan could work. It's kind of a shame he didn't do more of that state side.
@jcdlRayas
@jcdlRayas 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan vs Inoki in 1983 is a much better one.
@bdot187um
@bdot187um 2 жыл бұрын
@@ericdale4641 hogan was smart, he played the songs the people would like, in Japan he wrestled and got over in America he posed and cuped the ear and got over so its more on the fans than it's on the talent.
@hauweiguy9587
@hauweiguy9587 3 жыл бұрын
speaking from south africa, people knew who hulk hogan was in the 80s and early 90s and the majority of people had never seen a wrestling match.
@FoxNewsChannelSux
@FoxNewsChannelSux 3 жыл бұрын
Come on Jim, my grandmother's 90 years old, she doesn't know who Jim Londos is, she knows who Hulk Hogan is. Hulk Hogan (as somebody in this section said) is the Mickey Mouse of wrestling. He is one of the most recognizable people living in any facet of entertainment. Hogan is for better or worst, what allowed McMahon to destroy the territories and create 1 wrestling government from coast to coast and around the world. Probably half of the people who watch wresting every week in this country, started watching because of Hulkamania in the '80s or the NWO in the '90s. Austin & The Rock don't even get the chance to do what they did in the Attitude Era if the NWO (because of Hogan) hadn't allowed WCW to almost run them out of business.
@balser77
@balser77 3 жыл бұрын
Now look where the business is without him.He was much more important than people give him credit for.
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy 3 жыл бұрын
A lot of people recognize Ronald McDonald too.
@GoodFellasPizza08
@GoodFellasPizza08 2 жыл бұрын
Who the f*ck is jim londos
@carlito24uk
@carlito24uk 3 жыл бұрын
If it wasnt for hogan there would be no podcasts about wrestling or anything. Hogan is the man.
@insupportofjunhado
@insupportofjunhado 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, yes, and All The Marbles would have never happened without Hogan either right? And there would definitely be no WWF. And now NWA, or AWA. Or Super Star Billy Graham. And Muhammad Ali would have never heard of Gorgeous George, and Classie Blassie definitely wouldn't have had a song on the radio, and Jessie Ventura wouldn't be a conspiracy theorist who ran for office. And Bill Apter would not have had a magazine. And Big Daddy Lipscomb would have never wrestled during football's offseason. Come on now. You can like Hulk Hogan but let's not get ridiculous.
@juice4080
@juice4080 3 жыл бұрын
@@insupportofjunhado The guy you replied to was right so all the drivel you wrote was all of for naught
@insupportofjunhado
@insupportofjunhado 3 жыл бұрын
@@juice4080 And Billy Graham, definitely no Billy Graham.
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy 3 жыл бұрын
@@juice4080 Saying someone is right, doesn't make it true.
@CatsClaw44
@CatsClaw44 3 жыл бұрын
I love Corny but he is wrong about Hogan. Hogan was a major positive and the single greatest force in the history of this industry. Ask the Rock or anyone of that ilk. Heck, ask his contemporary Ric Flair!
@ladadavidson7926
@ladadavidson7926 3 жыл бұрын
I have to agree. Hogan was the guy who made wrestling MAINSTREAM. We lived in Europe when I was a kid and even MY DAD, who had never been in the United States nor did he watch wrestling, KNEW who Hulk Hogan was. And to call out Corny: If the whole "Hulkamania" thing was UNIQUE to Hulk Hogan and nobody else could have pulled it off, then why did he say that "Hogan didn't invent anything new?" HE JUST DID: HULKAMANIA! (Well, the fans did it, but still.) I think this is all just putting Hulk down because it's "cool" to pick on Hulk these days. I'll admit it: Terry Bollea, the person, is a douchebag but Hulk Hogan, the character, WORKED.
@borednow5838
@borednow5838 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I think Corny is sometimes guilty of looking at things purely through his own lens and what his taste in pro Wrestling is. I think Hogan and the WWF changed the business for the better. You can't really blame him for the state of wrestling today. There's a lot of reason why modern wrestling stinks, very little of it to do with Hogan and the 80's cartoon era.
@Revolutionary642
@Revolutionary642 3 жыл бұрын
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@ladadavidson7926
@ladadavidson7926 3 жыл бұрын
@@Revolutionary642 You can laugh, bu I'll say this: If Vince and Hogan didn't get together to do business, NONE OF US WOULD BE HERE TALKING ABOUT WRESTLING, let alone be having this conversation.
@akumawani
@akumawani 3 жыл бұрын
might be. but corny is talking from the perspective of someone that wants to see wrestling in 2020 at the same level as it was in the late 70's to mid 80's so yeah he'll knock hogan because he sees him and vince mcmahon as the pivotal forces that ended the territories and by extension everything else- leading us right to where we are now. and i cant even hate on him for that. thats why i watch fair vs funk or tully vs magnum once a week...
@gold2040
@gold2040 3 жыл бұрын
Jim, I love watching your videos (more the legacy stuff rather than the modern AEW/WWE product), but man, can't you give Hogan ANY dues at all?
@GHOST91141
@GHOST91141 3 жыл бұрын
Hulk Hogan took wrestling to the next level of mainstream people who didn't watch wrestling knew who Hulk Hogan was & tuned into wrestling because of him
@MrJusone
@MrJusone 3 жыл бұрын
I still Say my prayers eat my vitamins! Haven’t went wrong yet. I’m 39 now
@swinetrek
@swinetrek 3 жыл бұрын
So, you are a drug addict?
@kevinkelly1529
@kevinkelly1529 3 жыл бұрын
*gone Your grammar went wrong.
@glink7398
@glink7398 3 жыл бұрын
Jim u forget wrestlmania 18 Hogan vs rock Rock at his peak in wwe getting booed out building
@TheWHIPShowPodcast
@TheWHIPShowPodcast 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly!!
@donaldwood7449
@donaldwood7449 3 жыл бұрын
That is my favorite match of all time. They should’ve just ended it after that match. Nothing has compared since
@selfiekroos1777
@selfiekroos1777 3 жыл бұрын
Rock only got booed because of the stuck in the past Canadians. If 18 had been stateside, Hogan would have been booed more.
@hw5091
@hw5091 3 жыл бұрын
@@selfiekroos1777 right. because in chicago, before hogan had a head of steam, the hogan chants were already starting in the face off. It may have been amplified in canada, but anywhere that match takes place the rock gets booed.
@zachary_attackery
@zachary_attackery 3 жыл бұрын
You can tell Corny really knows that Hogan is the biggest most important name in the history of wrestling, he just doesn't want to admit it
@Mr.GoldCoast516
@Mr.GoldCoast516 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@AlexThorn
@AlexThorn 3 жыл бұрын
Hold on hold on.... Hogan completely changed the business. We can talk about promoters etc, but then you can't talk about Austin, rock or flair because either way there was a Promoter pushing them. But Hogan is the most famous name in the wrestling business. Long after he's gone, Hogan Will be the name people remember. From sports illustrated, to SNL, TV shows, products, cartoon shows and ppv records and moments. This is wayy off. Austin fizzled out fast and Cena came in and became the number one guy but didn't move the needle. This isn't the take I thought Cornette would have.
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, changed it for the worse. From a business with over a dozen territories in the US alone, with hundreds of wrestlers making good livings, some of them pulling down 6 figures a year... to a tiny minority making a lot of money while everyone else has to struggle to make ends meet. Not that there are anywhere near as many people working in the pro wrestling business anymore. As for fans, there used to be options, now there are not. But I guess you like not having options.
@Ted_Bell
@Ted_Bell 3 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid Hulk Hogan was pop culture. No argument about it. I seen lots of people come later and pretend he wasn't that big but the dude was so huge. If they had the internet and all that back then, I think he would have been the biggest draw ever. But apples and oranges.
@thepunditspundit1776
@thepunditspundit1776 3 жыл бұрын
Ted Bell 40 years later, 97 percent of people still link Hulk Hogan with pro wrestling. Watch the three weeks of crowds in London, England in 2011 with TNA and tell me Hogan still couldn’t draw.
@handsolo1209
@handsolo1209 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan IS the biggest draw ever. What revisionist like Cornette who blow Steve Austin do is fudge the numbers. Austin drew the most money on PPV. No shit, more people had PPV access in 1999 than in 1988. Austin's highest PPV buyrate was an impressive 1.5. Hogan's was an 8.0. Austin sold more merch. Yeah, sure he did. Austin basically had T-shirts, Hogan's face was on EVERYTHING in the 1980s and you could only get most of it through a mail order catalog. He had his own freaking cartoon, that's how popular he was. Nothing that ANYBODY ever did in WWF after Hogan comes close to WM3 and the rematch in 1988. To most people in the general population, Steve Austin is the 6 million dollar man played by Lee Majors.
@StrikeTeam0316
@StrikeTeam0316 2 жыл бұрын
Efffff hogan
@jessecalarco9091
@jessecalarco9091 2 жыл бұрын
@@StrikeTeam0316 More like efffff you
@stevenbaksh5545
@stevenbaksh5545 3 жыл бұрын
In my country everybody knows the name Hulk Hogan even people who never really watched wrestling that's how big he is
@aronmaslan6604
@aronmaslan6604 3 жыл бұрын
This is the problem when your entrenched and obsessed with something. You start to lose a grip on reality and your perspective becomes distorted. Any purist of any hobby, interest etc etc. is the last person you want to ask for advice on that topic . Cornette can't grasp wrestling for what it is.
@Mr.GoldCoast516
@Mr.GoldCoast516 3 жыл бұрын
Because Coronet loves Southern wrestling which is about as entertaining as watching paint dry
@25hztolife86
@25hztolife86 3 жыл бұрын
What is impressive was Hulk's wrestling ability when he was in Japan and before WWE.
@alexfromsolitude
@alexfromsolitude 3 жыл бұрын
yes, him vs Muta - good times
@TheMrBmurray
@TheMrBmurray 3 жыл бұрын
I know right, I didn't think the "Brother" had it in him. I feel cheated that he was holding out on us.
@TheMrBmurray
@TheMrBmurray 3 жыл бұрын
@ShadowAngel ...and that is unfortunate. It's too bad he couldn't bring his wrestling skills out once in a blue moon for bigger matches.
@TheMrBmurray
@TheMrBmurray 3 жыл бұрын
@ShadowAngel Hogan probably felt he needed to test the waters with WCW, because before Bischoff took over it was less about the spectacle and more about the craft. Also despite Flair's "routine man" criticisms the man did have a high standard for ring work. Hogan probably wanted to meet him halfway. It probably didn't get much of a reaction because most of the people in the crowd were probably fans that only bought his WWF routines. That being said, Austin was a competent wrestler. He threw the Stunner around in promos, but when it came to working a match he was confident enough to go in there and work a solid match to lead up to the Stunner. I think Goldberg diminishes his finishers and makes a joke of himself when that's all he uses in a match. They may sell but eventually even Americans will get bored with it.
@zakrowe1301
@zakrowe1301 3 жыл бұрын
Remember when he called the wwe championship a toy lol
@willsmith7921
@willsmith7921 3 жыл бұрын
As much as I’m not a Hogan fan, I think this is a great example of Cornette’s angry old man, get off my lawn persona.
@george9822
@george9822 3 жыл бұрын
Bro, Hogan deserves more credit than this. He was the face of wrestling not just a territory.
@george9822
@george9822 3 жыл бұрын
Lloyd Bonafide Hogan drew more than Flair.
@kingrama27
@kingrama27 3 жыл бұрын
Jim sounds bitter here.
@gold2040
@gold2040 3 жыл бұрын
@Cas van der Wal I mean he's not wrong, say what you like about Hogan's accomplishments outside of wrestling, but inside wrestling, is it really difficult for Jim to give Hogan some dues here and there. I get it, it's JIm being Jim, but i'm surprised Brian didn't even try to push back a little on Jim's take tbh
@kenthegamer
@kenthegamer 3 жыл бұрын
It’s because Jim was working for the competition at the time of Hogan’s peak. Of course he wasn’t going to give Hogan full credit
@ian0143
@ian0143 3 жыл бұрын
Totally showing his bias. Hogan will be remembered not as a great wrestler, not as an originator but as the first truly world famous wrestler.
@gold2040
@gold2040 3 жыл бұрын
@@kenthegamer Oh yeah, I completely understand that. Jim being the historian that he is though, you'd think on like a pure analytical level, he could see at least on a business level,, that Hogan put a fuckton more 'eyes on the product' so to speak
@zakrowe1301
@zakrowe1301 3 жыл бұрын
So he sounds like his normal self lol
@neosupreme7971
@neosupreme7971 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan was a marketing dream. He was the first to have the business transcend previous levels. The one to do that before him, was Gorgeous George.
@Pewpewpew182
@Pewpewpew182 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan was still his best during the NWO era.
@Vetal83
@Vetal83 3 жыл бұрын
100%
@dr.floridamanphd
@dr.floridamanphd 3 жыл бұрын
I disagree and I was a massive Hulk Hogan fan in the 80s. I think by the time the nWo came about he was washed up. He could cut a promo, and always will, but he had had multiple knee and hip replacement surgeries, as well as back surgeries. The nWo kept him around several years past his sell by date.
@dr.floridamanphd
@dr.floridamanphd 3 жыл бұрын
unfortunate son, I would even extend that into his first year in WCW. That’s when he started showing his age to me.
@Hizzoner21
@Hizzoner21 3 жыл бұрын
There's just no truth to that. From '84 to about '90 Hogan was the "it guy" in wrestling (from a mainstream perspective). When WCW signed him in '94, Hogan's mystique had already dwindled if you ask me. It only became big news bc WCW signed an iconic WWF figure. His WWF stint gave him that 'iconic' label - his WCW run gave him life. As much as I enjoyed his heel work with NWO, it didn't change the landscape of the business like Hulkamania. Close, but not quite.
@madddoggnogood1491
@madddoggnogood1491 3 жыл бұрын
That was the only time I was even remotely entertained by him.
@juicefargo4538
@juicefargo4538 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 5 minutes in so far and honestly I'm not hearing any credit being given to Hulk.I dont get that.
@ishoottheyscore8970
@ishoottheyscore8970 3 жыл бұрын
He was hugely popular, but that doesn't mean he'll have much of a legacy. Look at a lot of 80s/90s rock acts like Motley Crue, they made a huge amount of cash, but even in rock music specifically you can't look at the modern bands and see any lasting effect of them being there, whereas a band like Faith No More can still be heard in newer bands and how they play. That's not to diminish Motley Crue or Hogan for what they achieved in their time, it's just that legacy is a different concept
@juicefargo4538
@juicefargo4538 3 жыл бұрын
@@ishoottheyscore8970 I see where your trying to go with this but it doesn't apply to Hulk fuckin Hogan
@brianthompson6925
@brianthompson6925 3 жыл бұрын
I'm 40 and Flair has always been my favorite and even I have no problem saying that Hogan was THE NAME in the 80's! I think Corny only views wrestling and talent from the perspective of what pro wrestling was everywhere except for WWF in Hogan's prime. Corny takes it very personal when the business isn't "protected". In Cornette's eyes, once you've exposed the business he can't really give you credit for anything except making the business less like what he goes to such great lengths to try and protect.
@myhandlewastaken
@myhandlewastaken 3 жыл бұрын
Corny holds a grudge against anyone who exposed or exposes the industry. Hogan did it at its mainstream peak.
@StrikeTeam0316
@StrikeTeam0316 2 жыл бұрын
Efffff hogan
@NorthJerseyJabroni
@NorthJerseyJabroni 3 жыл бұрын
"Wrestling was on network TV in the 50's, and with bigger viewership..." Hogan vs. Andre on NBC in '88 drew 33 million viewers - still the all-time record for televised pro wrestling in America and more than anything in the NWO era in WCW, the Attitude Era in the WWF, or any other time in history. There probably wasn't 33 million television sets in America when pro wrestling was airing in the 50's. Cornette always elevates the territory days and diminishes the 80's WWF era. Even when he puts other guys over Hogan, he has to qualify it with saying they were better than Hogan "...for their day", or "for that time". Hogan was a bigger draw than all but MAYBE 1-3 wrestlers in the history of the business, and there's a credible argument that he might be #1 all-time. To diminish or downplay his legacy as "neither here nor there" just makes Corny look silly.
@zakrowe1301
@zakrowe1301 3 жыл бұрын
That's cornettes MO, everything is inferior or shit
@LordJuzzie
@LordJuzzie 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's clear he meant a combined viewership across local markets. Not everyone watching on show but everyone watching lots of different shows. Also there were more than 33 million TVs in the us in the 50s easily.
@bourbon646
@bourbon646 3 жыл бұрын
That's the problem. Some people legit believe that Bret hart was bigger than Hogan at one point. No one even Austin or Rock for that matter has been close to Hogan. Hogan was the top guy from 83 till 2000. He was the most bankable wrestler from 1983 to 1992. Then 1994 to 1997 no one was even close to him. 1998 and 1999 were Hogans final days to be at top. But Austin was a top draw in 1998 and even Goldberg. Rock and Austin dominated wrestling 1999 to 2002. But Hogan was the GOAT. Hogan vs Shawn Michaels drew nearly 7 lakh PPV buyrates. That was one of the highest PPV buyrates post 2000s.
@thepunditspundit1776
@thepunditspundit1776 3 жыл бұрын
NorthJerseyJabroni Hogan is number one because he sold out more enormous houses with his name alone, in more eras. People can bring up Texas Stadium, and that was a huge amount, but it didn’t sell out. Hogan sold out a random Toronto show with 64,000 people in 86 Remember Georgia Dome in 98? That was 40,000 plus Austin and Rock were enormous...for one era. Hogan was for two and stole a moment for a third
@bourbon646
@bourbon646 3 жыл бұрын
@Mr. Triple Crown He didn't draw well anywhere. That's the reason he just says I was very over or popular with the fans in Europe, Canada etc. Because if he says that he drew great then you need to ask him for proofs. The reason Vince always tried to replace Bret is because Bret wasnt bankable. Luger was close to becoming a champion in 93 and 94 when Bret played politics getting support from Patt Paterson, Brisco and other veterans. Then he sucked and Vince put the title on Diesel because of Shawn. They didn't even give luger a fair chance. I believe if Luger would have been champion in 1993 then Bret and Shawn would have been jobbing Sting and Hogan in WCW on Nitro in 1995 or later.
@TheNESevolution
@TheNESevolution 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan was the reason I started watching wrestling in like 88-89
@MrBeckenhimself
@MrBeckenhimself 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan DID make wrestling mainstream, I'm surprised Jim denies this. He did. I remember back in those days, I could ask people who didn't watch pro wrestling nor gave a shit about it, but they would almost always know one name. Hulk Hogan. That says everything we need to know. He was huge at that point in time, nobody else was close.
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy 3 жыл бұрын
You can ask people who aren't into history if they know the name Hitler, they will say yes. Being well known doesn't mean anything. A lot of people know the name Dennis Rodman, was he a great basketball player? No, if memory serves he wasn't that good at all. He was just flashy and flamboyant. A lot of people know who BTS is, does that make them any good. No, they are typical, manufactured KPOP garbage designed to appeal to teenage girls.
@lautheimpaler4686
@lautheimpaler4686 3 жыл бұрын
@Bryan Bradley for us Indians, it was the Undertaker.
@StrikeTeam0316
@StrikeTeam0316 2 жыл бұрын
Efffff hogan
@sinnizster5038
@sinnizster5038 3 жыл бұрын
really dumb take, Jim
@johnbollea
@johnbollea 3 жыл бұрын
Jim Cornette was all over the place in this discussion. “What Hogan was doing was considered classic wrestling”. “The Hogan stuff was all cartoon bull-sh”
@donmajestic5258
@donmajestic5258 3 жыл бұрын
I'd rather get paid more to do 4.5 minutes than less and 45 minutes.
@RandalfElVikingo
@RandalfElVikingo 3 жыл бұрын
And Hogan did both lol
@Jim-Tuner
@Jim-Tuner 3 жыл бұрын
You can't get more over than over. If the crowd pops massive for you doing 5 minute matches and posing in the center of the ring, you do 5 minute matches and pose.
@kenthegamer
@kenthegamer 3 жыл бұрын
Jake Roberts said it best when he said to work smarter not harder and that’s what Hogan did
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy 3 жыл бұрын
@Bubba Sawyer It worked for a short time, then the children grew up.
@travisclark9134
@travisclark9134 3 жыл бұрын
Give hogan his props. He created a wave that gives us reasons to talk about stuff today. I don’t believe anyone before him drew more money. Jim be hating on the “sports entertainment “ transition that kept wrestling going. It had to happen based on the evolution of society /technology
@insupportofjunhado
@insupportofjunhado 3 жыл бұрын
Plenty of people drew more money before him. He just listed one of them in this video, and I can name three more...although they wouldn't be "fair" comparisons they still existed. But sure, "believe" Hogan drew more money than Thesz and The Blue Demon, who themselves aren't even the biggest draws in professional wrestling history.
@Amzingred
@Amzingred 3 жыл бұрын
Something that no one mentions. hogan is the longest reigning champion under Vince McMahon Jr.
@swinetrek
@swinetrek 3 жыл бұрын
He was a crap wrestler and just known for being a cartoon.
@MafiaKingfishNOLA
@MafiaKingfishNOLA Ай бұрын
​@swinetrek That is what Vince wanted. Hogan could legitimately wrestle. Just go watch his matches in Japan. Vince wanted a big guy with tons of charisma that was just going to overpower his opponents and flex a lot. Hogan did EXACTLY what Vince wanted him to do.
@Amzingred
@Amzingred Ай бұрын
@@swinetrek you know absolutely nothing about pro wrestling.
@Machina4K
@Machina4K 3 жыл бұрын
The Hulkster forever will be the hero of my childhood, he was so big so superhero, so amazing, i still have him over any other wrestling star.
@fernandoguajardo2750
@fernandoguajardo2750 3 жыл бұрын
Rip Thomas fans anyone?🤙
@manuginobilisbaldspot424
@manuginobilisbaldspot424 3 жыл бұрын
@@fernandoguajardo2750 RIP EM!
@johnbarnett2316
@johnbarnett2316 3 жыл бұрын
Flair was better Hogan was bigger
@nothing5283
@nothing5283 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnbarnett2316 flair was bigger hogan was better
@freedomseedplanter5987
@freedomseedplanter5987 3 жыл бұрын
Dorks like you made hogan popular.. the dude was lame.. his look was lame, his moves were lame.. dorky little, uncool kids/people made hogan so popular.. even as a 8 yr old I knew hogan was lame
@manuginobilisbaldspot424
@manuginobilisbaldspot424 3 жыл бұрын
I love that the drawing is of Hogan's cartoon image from the Rock n Wrestling Saturday morning show. Which alone makes my argument...the man was literally bigger than wrestling. But anyway, you can say whatever you want about Terry Bollea the person. That's ALL VALID. But Hulk Hogan was SYNONYMOUS with professional wrestling. If you didn't know or care about the business, you knew who Hulk Hogan was. I went to a WCW show in my hometown of Fresno...one and only time the old NWA came this way, my mom asked, "Is Hulk Hogan gonna be there?" She hated wrestling and couldn't care less. But she knew who Hulk Hogan was. The tearing down of his legacy in the business is nonsense. Ask the people who ran with him...the Orndorff's, the Muraco's, the Bundy's, etc...guys who wrestled everywhere but saw the most 0's on their checks when in programs with Hogan. He was THE GOLDEN GOOSE. 35 years later, still the only pro wrestler on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Still the only man to main event eight WrestleMania's. 33 million people watching wrestling on a Friday night in February (no Corny, the Dumont network was NOT getting those kinds of ratings). He's forever the gold standard because he took his star WITH HIM. For all the talk about McMahon...he knew he already had a megastar on his hands when he secured Hogan. There was no "Ringmaster" element to Hogan from 1981 to 2000...he was a or THE top guy in the business. No one comes close to that.
@rolltide9547
@rolltide9547 3 жыл бұрын
He was the top guy in the WWF in the 80's. But by smart fans he will never thought of as the best guy.
@iammine8117
@iammine8117 3 жыл бұрын
33 million people didn't even own a TV when the Dumont network existed. It's completely disingenuous to compare raw numbers without factoring ratios.
@quentinkaasa47
@quentinkaasa47 3 жыл бұрын
@@iammine8117 and Jim Londos didn't sell out buildings the size that Hogan did. Londos was somewhat a national star but not a worldwide celebrity like Hulk Hogan.
@futuregohan4837
@futuregohan4837 3 жыл бұрын
Undertaker's Design On The Video About Him Is Loosely Based On Undertaker's 1997 Look
@iammine8117
@iammine8117 3 жыл бұрын
@@quentinkaasa47 Does that have anything to do with something that I wrote?
@CeLIfUbIaC420
@CeLIfUbIaC420 3 жыл бұрын
Not a Hogan fan, but he absolutely helped change the wrestling landscape.
@kenthegamer
@kenthegamer 3 жыл бұрын
How many wrestlers can you say had a cartoon show? Hogan was the man
@medes5597
@medes5597 3 жыл бұрын
That didn't even last for its entire order and even 30 years later has yet to turn a profit. Yeha well done. That was a vanity project like the movie where vince thought he could get to a younger audience with it.
@noamto
@noamto 3 жыл бұрын
Hulk Hogan was an international star and household name, as a wrestler, and nobody else even came close. The Rock is the only one that is coming as close these days and more from his movie career and not from his wrestling career.
@zakrowe1301
@zakrowe1301 3 жыл бұрын
The rock has far surpassed Hogan as far as name recognition goes.
@davidprater5861
@davidprater5861 3 жыл бұрын
Speaking from a wrestling perspective, Hogan was ahead of the Rock and it's not close. Hogan never came close to Rock in Hollywood. But strictly going on wrestling, it's Hogan.
@zakrowe1301
@zakrowe1301 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidprater5861 that's true
@jonathanwaters2624
@jonathanwaters2624 3 жыл бұрын
not really.
@DerekScottBland
@DerekScottBland 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan, with McMahon's backing, brought wrestling to a national spotlight. However, he did untold damage with his selfishness and abuse of creative control. Seriously, though, old man yelling at cloud Cornette talking about how many people Hogan ran off for "making it a cartoon" is a fucking drop in the bucket compared to the new fans that era brought in is crazy.
@ProjectMopar6
@ProjectMopar6 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry Jim, I don’t even know the other guys you named but I definitely know Hulk Hogan. He’s a household name.
@medicinemansworld6462
@medicinemansworld6462 3 жыл бұрын
I remember a time in the late 80's when Hogan was using heel tactics to help win matches.....anyone remember the Hulk Hogan War Bonnet?
@c.l.freeman7654
@c.l.freeman7654 3 жыл бұрын
He always used semi heel tactics. Eye poke, back rake and the old step on head and twist the heel
@A-Man79
@A-Man79 3 жыл бұрын
Had there never been a Hulk Hogan, then there is indeed a very serious question as to whether or not wrestling would be as popular as it is today.
@staticcharm3808
@staticcharm3808 3 жыл бұрын
Fans writing and saying "the business" like they actually worked in wrestling for 20 years will never get old 😂
@brian9670
@brian9670 3 жыл бұрын
Were you in the business?
@brian9670
@brian9670 2 жыл бұрын
@@RonixEnclave yes
@jrsmith1998
@jrsmith1998 2 жыл бұрын
And the winner of the internet today is…… @Static Charm!!!!! 🤣
@jrsmith1998
@jrsmith1998 2 жыл бұрын
@@brian9670 post some footage of your matches. And please don’t copy a link to some unknown indy match of someone else and say it’s you.
@mikepitt8437
@mikepitt8437 2 жыл бұрын
It was like a guy who emailed in calling Jim Cornette Corny like he knows him personally🤣its pure cringe tho
@aikidoboynj
@aikidoboynj 3 жыл бұрын
C'mon Jim... You're going to compare Hogan's numbers to times when there were 3 total tv channels? How is it that a heel Hogan gets a bigger pop then Rock at WM18... No one could do that except "the icon" of professional wrestling. You can hate him for his personal dealings, his politicing, even his boring wrestling style but it is what it is. Hogan is THE Icon.
@gold2040
@gold2040 3 жыл бұрын
Ya, it's not difficult to find actual real shit to criticize Hogan for, there's a ton of it out there, but Jim was in no way objective here
@michaellofranco1107
@michaellofranco1107 3 жыл бұрын
Hulk Hogan is the reason why I fell in love with wrestling. I loved the cartoon wrestling gimmicks. Late 80’s early 90’s is the my favourite time period in wrestling history. 2nd is NWO Attitude Era.
@christopherflowers1368
@christopherflowers1368 3 жыл бұрын
All over the world, if I say "Wrestling" people will say "Hogan"....... just saying
@charlesrahman5317
@charlesrahman5317 3 жыл бұрын
Bro, Hulkamania in the 80's was movement. You're trippin on this one Jim
@bradgaines
@bradgaines 3 жыл бұрын
I usually agree with Corny, but he's being ridiculous here. Hogan is the biggest wrestling name of all time. Who's the guy they're talking about who was a bigger draw? Corny couldn't even remember his name. So I've never heard of him because he peaked in the 30's? Trust me, 90 years from know wrestling fans (if there is professional wrestling) will know the name Hulk Hogan. Even my parents, who couldn't give two shits about wrestling, know who Hulk Hogan is. They have no clue who Steve Austin is. And Jim, you know back in those days pro sports athletes weren't given the same insane contracts they receive now. You can't even compare that. Jim being a "wrestling historian" really dropped the ball on this one.
@vanderful2397
@vanderful2397 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you both. Hogan is the biggest ever, even though he was piece of shit & a boring wrestler.
@herpderp7264
@herpderp7264 3 жыл бұрын
This. But id argue Rock is in the same category as Hogan as being recognised by people who know absolutely nothing about pro wrestling. No one knows who Austin, HHH or Foley are. But mention Hogan or Rock and they instantly click.
@vanderful2397
@vanderful2397 3 жыл бұрын
@@herpderp7264 That is true, but how many people really know that Rock used to be a wrestler? In my country it's rare for the media to ever mention that he is former wrestler. If he never went to Hollywood, people wouldn't know him. He got his fame (above Hogan level) from acting, not from wrestling.
@bradgaines
@bradgaines 3 жыл бұрын
@@herpderp7264 Yes of course. The Rock is one of the most recognizable people on earth.
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy
@RyanAcidhedzMurphy 3 жыл бұрын
People who know nothing about WW2, still know who Hitler was. Having a name people recognize, doesn't mean anything.
@lj7420
@lj7420 3 жыл бұрын
*Vince was already on the verge to make wrestling mainstream & was ultimately responsible after Black Saturday. Flair & Kerry von Erich turned down Vince in '83 when they had more buzz than Hogan did in AWA. Thus Hogan was Vince's third choice & Hogan left AWA. Vince just needed a guy because he was already taking advantage of cable & closed-circuit TV in the early-1980s.*
@ladistar
@ladistar 3 жыл бұрын
When you ask any random stranger on the street to name a pro wrestler, 99% of the time the answer will be Hogan. His backstage politics aside, Hogan is the biggest icon in the history of the business. He’s bigger than wrestling.
@DAKINS896
@DAKINS896 3 жыл бұрын
20 years ago yes but theres a guy named the rock
@markmeluskey2278
@markmeluskey2278 2 жыл бұрын
It’s funny how Cornette tries to undersell the impact of Hulk Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior. They dominated the entire landscape. They were more popular than Austin and The Rock. Every second of their matches were electric.
@jeremygeesmothers6379
@jeremygeesmothers6379 3 жыл бұрын
The difficulty in comparing sports athlete's salaries during the time of "Gorgeous George" and during Hulk Hogan's era was that the sport's team owners had pretty much *ALL* the power prior to the unionization of the players in the various sports leagues. Even as late as Joe Theisman's times, the CFL was able to sign the odd player because they offered more money (heh, I think the CDN$ was worth alot more as well). Now, all the power has been shifted to the players (except in the NFL, where the players there are all 'in it for themselves' rather than the 'average joe' player).
@zerkzy842
@zerkzy842 3 жыл бұрын
Hulk used too be 6’8. After about a thousand leg drops that compressed his spine, he’s 6’3.
@zakrowe1301
@zakrowe1301 3 жыл бұрын
@Ze TheGame nah, he was never 6,8 and andre was never 7,4.
@tomr3422
@tomr3422 3 жыл бұрын
Im 6'5 and stood next to male pattern baldness in the late 80's ... I think 6'3 might even be kayfabe.
@philanderphillips2309
@philanderphillips2309 3 жыл бұрын
Just about anyone, if asked to name a legendary wrestler, 9 out of 10 people will name Hulk Hogan first. He was the first wrestler to really crossover into the mainstream consciousness. Never the best, as his skill set was severely limited, but he had the body, the looks, and the Mic skills needed to put himself over.
@Jvisionthagod
@Jvisionthagod 3 жыл бұрын
I think The Rock has took that spot now
@glenwoods9081
@glenwoods9081 3 жыл бұрын
Andre was bigger than life first how many wrestlers were on carson the biggest tonight show of that error
@Jvisionthagod
@Jvisionthagod 3 жыл бұрын
@Joe Greene taken
@insupportofjunhado
@insupportofjunhado 3 жыл бұрын
Antonino Rocca would have a word with you. He beat Superman don'tchaknow? Hogan wasn't the first. At best, Hogan is the now, and hasn't been displaced because the business has shrunk since him.
@gary.s5322
@gary.s5322 3 жыл бұрын
If Jim cornette had been manager of a stable like bobby the brain,he would have loved hogan and the money he would have made.
@lemar2122
@lemar2122 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan popularized wrestling across the globe. Without Hogan, wrestling would have stayed small and in territories. He's the reason wrestlers make millions..
@chrischar9428
@chrischar9428 3 жыл бұрын
And tons more people would have had jobs
@paulrodney951
@paulrodney951 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrischar9428 And tons more people would be working for $10 .00 a night.
@pentelegomenon1175
@pentelegomenon1175 3 жыл бұрын
Some people say that the business got smaller when the territories went away, like the Sioux Nation being made of several once great nations that got so beaten down that they had to unite to survive.
@zakrowe1301
@zakrowe1301 3 жыл бұрын
@@paulrodney951 that's better than having all 5hat money go towards one man's salary
@zakrowe1301
@zakrowe1301 3 жыл бұрын
@@pentelegomenon1175 its true
@David-li4uw
@David-li4uw 3 жыл бұрын
I remember when my friends and I were in college. I liked WWF with Austin but they were WCW fans. The one thing we all agreed on was we couldn't stand Hogan. We went to a Nitro in Birmingham ready to boo the shit out of Hulk when he came out. When he did, it was surreal. He had this presence like nobody I've ever seen. We were like, "Holy shit. That's Hulk Hogan." The guy can't do ring work for anything but he is amazing at how he can feel and work a crowd. He can also take what little he can do in the ring and make it work. I don't think anybody does it better as a face or a heel. Cornie is grasping at straws. Hogan is the GOAT of draws and he knows it.
@milincoln
@milincoln 3 жыл бұрын
No pro wrestler ever graced the cover of Sports Illustrated. And Print media and magazines were around long before ppv.
@TheTenCentStory
@TheTenCentStory 3 жыл бұрын
print media dates back before wrestling
@RandalfElVikingo
@RandalfElVikingo 3 жыл бұрын
"He is like a good role model because he did whatever it took to get big" -Butthead
@johnnymccollum5935
@johnnymccollum5935 3 жыл бұрын
Lmao i remember that episode.
@trustobey1016
@trustobey1016 3 жыл бұрын
Homework sucks
@MATTDALOR1AN
@MATTDALOR1AN 3 жыл бұрын
He took those ssssteroids or sssssomething
@JustinCaudill14
@JustinCaudill14 3 жыл бұрын
Please tell me that’s a real, direct quote?!
@RandalfElVikingo
@RandalfElVikingo 3 жыл бұрын
@@JustinCaudill14 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gtFxZ8WJrMezlXk.html Have fun ;)
@ashwinnair4816
@ashwinnair4816 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan is the GOAT of wrestling,all you bums should be paying him even now
@musicbizmoriarty
@musicbizmoriarty 3 жыл бұрын
i agree, there is nothing in the world like a hogan on cocaine promo
@ZBR_ProXP
@ZBR_ProXP 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan is without a doubt the most important wrestler ever.
@smarkslowplay3512
@smarkslowplay3512 3 жыл бұрын
Nah. One of the most successful, yes. There have been more important guys. Bruno, Landos...
@juice4080
@juice4080 3 жыл бұрын
Hogan is the most important pro wrestler in the history of the sport. He's the GOAT case closed
@adammalek3322
@adammalek3322 3 жыл бұрын
Aw, man. When Cornette was talking about Hogan being cartoony, I was hoping he'd say he was responsible for making cartoony wrestlers like Olivier!
@carloslozada470
@carloslozada470 3 жыл бұрын
93K at the silverdome wcw nwa never did that
@kingrama27
@kingrama27 3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Triple Crown those people were forced by a dictator to go to that show. People paid to see the WWF/E...
@AmateurBarbarian
@AmateurBarbarian 3 жыл бұрын
I was coming here to say something about Collision in Korea.
@kingrama27
@kingrama27 3 жыл бұрын
Mr. Triple Crown The thing is WCW didn’t make any money from that show. So 500k people could have been forced to attend that show and it makes no difference.
@AmateurBarbarian
@AmateurBarbarian 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah but we were talking attendance, not money.
@kingrama27
@kingrama27 3 жыл бұрын
Amateur Barbarian attendance doesn’t mean shit if you’re forced under threat of death and rounded up by the military to attend the show all the while making no money. Sorry but this doesn’t count for jack shit
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