That's awesome!

Godspeed if you do. Cause youre damn right

Godspeed to you my friend! We need more true proper historians like you to keep these times and spirits alive…this isn’t just history it’s important history

Same here started watching around 68 or 69 wrestling at the chase,

Your the man still nick

I live almost smack dab in between St. Louis and Memphis. This is absolutely fascinating as I grew up a Memphis wrestling fan...even before Jerry Lawler was king.

You got that right

I watch wrestling on KZfaq on those 20 minute supercut videos by 'wrestling reality's and watch cornette videos for hours. 😅

Stl represent

City and county were separated long before that

@@jackkottwitz5236 Yes, they were separated long before that...as I said, there was no redistricting of any kind that led to the population swap. But the swap in population--where the county's population rapidly went up and the city's dropped like a rock, as it continues to do so to this day--began happening once the interstates started being completed.

Was gonna say something similar to this effect. Same thing was happening in major cities all over the Midwest.

@@jackkottwitz5236 he’s right , there were talks I remember when I was around 12 4 or 4 years ago about combining the city and county , very blasphemous idea didn’t get very far

Not to mention the Illinois side...

I dunno. You guys got great hockey fans too

NWA end of next month in STL. Can't wait til tickets go on sale.

"Fuckin' chair!" lol

He ripped this gimmick off directly from Conrad “Tiny” Thompson.

@@NobesBLO13 Nah if he were going to do that, he'd just quote meltzer on absolutely every question.

"Still very popular" Somehow I doubt it's as popular as it use to be.

I been to St Louis. It's one giant depressing slum , the most dangerous city in America and aside from the arch I hope the cardinals move to Arizona or Tampa bay once the new mayor defunds the police 🚔

@@jeffmac9642 Cardinals are St. Louis. They are inseparable. The best baseball town in the country.

@@user-dz4ty5tj7q RnF isn't very bright.

@@maxxdahl6062 Yes but in the glory days of Stan the Man Musial St Louis wasn't a third world city and was a real city. Cardinals are leaving just like the Bears leaving Chicago

What's wrong with Justin Credible?

@@gaylordfocker7990 A lot of people don't like him, but that's just a testament to how good a heel he actually was.

That’s just diabolical what you said…

Call it what you want doesn't make it so

Interested to see what they draw.

All Day I Dream About Wrestling

I associate it more with Hee-Haw and Charlie Farquharson (Don Harron)

Yes, deal it it. 🤘🏻

Jim Londos Might have drawn bigger crowds than anyone else in history.

Half the I.Q. And not just about wrestling.

Jim couldn't change with the times and still wanted wrestling in 1997 to be like it was in 1977.

STL was a bigger deal in 1940. It was the 8th largest city. So I don't think it was a lack of things to do.

There was plenty to do and sports was a major part of it. People just loved their wrestling there.

You're comparing national draws to regional draws.

Box office draw. No television, no pay per view, just box office. But if you include television Austin and Hogan still aren't the biggest, especially not if you're including foreign wrestlers in history. If you want to debate that television and pay per view numbers put Austin or Hogan ahead of Londos even with his superior box office, you can try to email Jim Cornette, to email Dave Meltzer. They might be convinced, it might take some debating, but the real change in history being addressed is that McMahon made the wrestling business bigger than it had been in the territorial era. Maybe Longson's individual drawing doesn't impress you. Let's just say he doesn't compare to any WCW/WWF Monday Night War main eventer, even though it's not true. It's not just Longson here despite it. There's French Angel, there's Lou Thesz, there's a lot more guys alongside Longson making money all over the country, collectively more money than those made by the handful atop two national companies and ECW. But the truth is, Longson does AT LEAST rival any given television star. These figures given for him are just for one city in one territory, not accounting the other cities in territory and the other territories with their own cities that he went to during the other five or six days a week he was working. But let us pretend none of that closes the gap, that he doesn't come close to any television main event wrestler of the Monday Night War. There's still more wrestlers making a living, collectively making more money, by people spending less money but turning out in greater numbers, in the territorial era. Don't get me wrong. I'm not going to claim Mistico was a bigger star than John Cena even at his peak just because he was the more consistent box office draw at the time. If sold tickets, if butts in seats, were the end all be all ROH would be considered more successful than TNA after the first decade in business and AEW would be more successful than TNA ever was in just one year, but in some cases it actually does amount to a relative or greater amount people seeing the person, to a relative or greater amount of money made, to a more successful business model.

@@insupportofjunhado I get what you’re saying but in terms of gross Austin made more money even accounting for inflation than anyone in history that isn’t debatable. Hogan’s peak popularity has never been exceeded again I don’t think that can be debated possibly the rock nowadays. In terms of biggest ever audience for wrestling on PPV it’s Wrestlemania 28 and followed by 6 other Manias, I can understand that being a huge territory star maybe felt bigger in that area but if someone 3 states over doesn’t know who you are it doesn’t compare. Again the average attendance was around 10,000 on cheap tickets. I believe the average attendance over a 5 year period from 97-02 was close to 18,000 and tickets were astronomically more expensive. I think it’s night and day, but I still respect the territory generation for being able to make big money predominantly from one area of the country

@@jasonchasney7367 Okay, but you realize that as a world champion the wrestling fans three states over did know Longson right? People read newspapers back then. They read way more magazines than they do now. They listened to their radios. Again, this 500,000+ in three year figure just refers to one city he worked a week, not even a week because St. Louis was an irregular location for him. Pay per view audiences certainly spike the box office for later guys, but that was just a once a month thing, less so when WWF only had four.

Take the population of the U.S. in 1988 and compare it to the TV audience for The Main Event with Hogan vs. Andre. Then do the same with Rikidozan vs. Lou Thesz in 1957 and Jackie Pallo vs. Mick McManus in 1962. The percentage of the country's population watching the latter two matches were larger by orders of magnitude. Books put out by reputable publishers have mentioned that TV audiences for Antonio Inoki's matches put the audiences for Hogan's TV matches to shame.

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You are comparing a state to a city, but the rest of the state probably deserves more coverage.

Him, Macho or a Von Erich maybe

that's completely incorrect. many before him. he didn't put the mask on till '62 or '63. Americans started going over in the '50s. Thesz and others.

@@crimsonmask5217 I read it on Wikipedia

@@AlfredoBasurtoAiken okay. And? Wikipedia isn't the be all, end all of information.

@@michaelmfwayne Without reading the article I bet it has already been edited and corrected.

@@AlfredoBasurtoAiken What you meant to say - Dick Beyer was the first gaijin wrestler to live and work full-time in Japan. Since you mention Wikipedia, they have a category collecting articles on the gaijin wrestlers living in Japan. Last I checked, it was full of the Twinkletoes McFingerbangs of the world but didn't include Beyer. Ha! He was there for six years and was a legitimate celebrity outside of wrestling. Shows you how much credibility Wikipedia has.

Sucks that you're just a walking mark. Why can't we give you in exchange for someone who died and that's actually worth something? Too bad can't exchange trash for anything else but more trash

@@kevonf4810 Lighten up francis.

@@maxxdahl6062 maxie pad, stfu

@@kevonf4810 what’s your issue?

@@Sonjacrow How much time you got? lol

Your weren’t alive back then so you can’t say that

Aside from having a baseball team that won three World Series in five years? It was also a huge bowling town, and the wartime plants were churning out a lot of America's military aircraft around-the-clock. LOL at what you don't know.

Low energy attempt.

@@maxxdahl6062 He keeps trying to make "Cornmeal Cornette" happen, but it never will. Sad little man.

Lazy carol just lazy,one day you'll surprise every one with a new comment,f-

I listen to this every week but never watch new pro wrestling...there are many of us who prefer the history stuff

@@HkFinn83 Yep. Same with me. Will watch old stuff all day, and can't be bothered at all with current wrestling.