Jim Cornette Reviews Who Killed WCW? Episode One

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11 күн бұрын

From Episode 536 of the Jim Cornette Experience
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@williamgregory1848
@williamgregory1848 9 күн бұрын
Asking who killed WCW is like asking who killed Julius Caesar. Everybody had a role in its downfall.
@antoineLebrane
@antoineLebrane 9 күн бұрын
but they try to put it all on eric
@c.s3369
@c.s3369 9 күн бұрын
And just like politicians from then to now they all blame each other 🤷🏿‍♂️‼️
@antonlifer4449
@antonlifer4449 9 күн бұрын
​@@antoineLebrane Eric was gone when it really started goin south,correct? Or at least gone as far as booking was going.
@natebaxter9551
@natebaxter9551 9 күн бұрын
​@@antonlifer4449he actually came back during the Russo era.
@antoineLebrane
@antoineLebrane 9 күн бұрын
@@antonlifer4449 yes he was
@G3rnsback
@G3rnsback 9 күн бұрын
90's WCW was not a wrestling promotion. It was a 401K plan for Hulk Hogan.
@AAAA-lt9hq
@AAAA-lt9hq 8 күн бұрын
Didn't Linda get most of that in the divorce necessitating the begging for Gawker money?
@albertross2456
@albertross2456 8 күн бұрын
​@@AAAA-lt9hqWCW became Linda Hogan
@AAAA-lt9hq
@AAAA-lt9hq 8 күн бұрын
I always preferred WCW over WWF/E, but 80s WWF had iconic gimmicks and characters. I don't think early-mid 90s WCW was as bad as New Generation era WWF. It's when Hogan came on board WCW around 1994 that things quickly changed--for better and for worse. The whole Dungeon of Doom/Paul Wight as the son of Andre the Giant thing I'd rather forget. And the Yeti.
@LusterThomas-if7nt
@LusterThomas-if7nt 7 күн бұрын
You nailed it.
@ethanallen3487
@ethanallen3487 7 күн бұрын
I agree. Imagine starting a company and the executives wanting it to fail from the beginning? Hogans creative control certainly didn’t do help with story telling, but to claim it was Bischoff alone who killed the promotion is completely wrong. Yes the creative sucked at the end, but that wasn’t the only factor in WCW ending.
@patrickcrider6167
@patrickcrider6167 9 күн бұрын
Who Killed WCW is a collection of men and women saying it's everyone else's fault but mine and then Bret Hart saying "You're all a bunch of idiots."
@keeganhurley119
@keeganhurley119 9 күн бұрын
Yeah cause Bret Hart is never at fault even though he demanded a contract higher then Hulk Hogan
@Andres0082
@Andres0082 9 күн бұрын
​@@keeganhurley119 TBF Bret deserves it and more. He is a wrestling legend while Hogan was a Superstar but could not Wrestle without a hype machine in either Fed. When even Bischoff said they dropped the ball with him it tells a lot more than what's presented.
@patrickcrider6167
@patrickcrider6167 9 күн бұрын
He got the contract didn't he? All things considered, whoever signed off on it (and the "favored nations" clause) probably should shoulder the blame for that one. But I get your point.
@keeganhurley119
@keeganhurley119 9 күн бұрын
@@Andres0082 he still played a hand in wiping WCW financially. Idc what he deserves.
@BrianIngham
@BrianIngham 9 күн бұрын
Who'd you steal that from?
@damian_cross
@damian_cross 9 күн бұрын
I will maintain forever that the finger poke of doom killed WCW. It was the moment when the performers and writers looked straight into the audience and said "Fuck what you want to see, Hogan is ALWAYS going to go over."
@malikevans2615
@malikevans2615 9 күн бұрын
they were still getting high ratings after that incident. Like you i thought the same until i started watching RTW by wrestlingbios. Not gonna lie the series made me realize that the original nwo with Hogan, Hall, and nash was hot for 3 weeks maybe even a month, until they started adding people every second
@danielsims916
@danielsims916 9 күн бұрын
@@malikevans2615yes they were still getting high ratings but I would say that unofficially the decline started at Starrcade a year earlier with the sting/hogan match
@ghostface216
@ghostface216 9 күн бұрын
I agree, also Starrcade 97
@EazyE11
@EazyE11 9 күн бұрын
"This will work for me brother."
@rdrouynriv
@rdrouynriv 9 күн бұрын
@@malikevans2615 everything that came after the fingerpoke of doom was doo doo dog water, so they aren't technically wrong. We get such masterpieces as David Flair as US champion, Ric Flair in a mental institution, Sid powerbombing everyone in the lower card, roided up Randy Savage, etc...
@LRM5195
@LRM5195 9 күн бұрын
Not pushing La Parka to the main event scene is what caused the death of WCW.
@Lenoxygen
@Lenoxygen 9 күн бұрын
YEAH!
@RagnarokB
@RagnarokB 9 күн бұрын
That and their continual doubting of El Dandy
@johnonan744
@johnonan744 9 күн бұрын
​@@RagnarokB El Dandy was a real jam up guy
@roccojamison89gooker51
@roccojamison89gooker51 9 күн бұрын
Not pushing Alex Wright or Berlyn to the main event scene caused the steep decline of WCW.
@LRM5195
@LRM5195 9 күн бұрын
@@roccojamison89gooker51 Not putting those two in a match against each other was a huge missed opportunity…
@americanbadass88
@americanbadass88 9 күн бұрын
Who killed WCW? That Doesn't work for me brother....
@anthonyrowland9072
@anthonyrowland9072 9 күн бұрын
Letting the show become "The nWo and friends show" by 1998.
@AAAA-lt9hq
@AAAA-lt9hq 6 күн бұрын
Kind of sad that the Clique ruined WWF then transferred over to WCW so they infected two promotions.
@DWeb0414
@DWeb0414 5 күн бұрын
Definitely played a part in it.
@LunsJail
@LunsJail 2 сағат бұрын
And let it absolutely bury their babyfaces
@JC-zj7nv
@JC-zj7nv 9 күн бұрын
Ep. 1 - Eric's great and how Hogan buried Sting. Ep. 2 - How they buried Goldberg, how they ruined Bret Hart and Eric's still great.. feat. Kevin Nash.
@fullweezy3553
@fullweezy3553 9 күн бұрын
Nash has already admitted he was high as a kite on a windy day at this point I think they were telling him what to say
@MrJjburgess11
@MrJjburgess11 9 күн бұрын
​@@fullweezy3553crazy how many wrestlers get fucked up before doing interviews.
@franklinrichardson757
@franklinrichardson757 8 күн бұрын
Bury ? It was a cremation of a Championship match it made Bill looked like a Jobber..Bad booking bad finish
@MrSirMang
@MrSirMang 7 күн бұрын
Goldberg got buried?!? Goldberg was an untouchable who could do no wrong as he was potatoing people and ending careers all the while punching out a car window that put him on the shelf for an extended period of time.
@twistedsistersandbrother4449
@twistedsistersandbrother4449 6 күн бұрын
To be fair, Bischoff admitted that he did things wrong. He takes responsibility for a lot of it. That's what occurred to me most while watching episode 4...Russo really arguing like he never did anything wrong. He has no regrets. Lol. It's because HE DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT WRESTLING. "I'd do it all again." We know...that's why no one likes you
@busta3692
@busta3692 9 күн бұрын
I'm always baffled by the knock that sting had no tan, and he didn't seem excited about the opportunity. That's was the gimmick!!! He was supposed to be alouf, a loner that doesn't know who to trust because those he trusted didn't trust him. He was wearing a trenchcoat, the nationwide symbol of loner. He was in the ceiling where it was dark and lonely. What about that gimmick says go hang out in the sun and get a tan
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 9 күн бұрын
I know! It's so absurd. That made me flip out that they still justify it that way.
@chrischar9428
@chrischar9428 9 күн бұрын
Makes him look pale and sickly. Not like a guy going for revenge
@j_mad
@j_mad 6 күн бұрын
I dont think he was excited cuz he knew Hogan would pull something and it ended up happening
@shanefrederick7731
@shanefrederick7731 5 күн бұрын
I'm not the biggest Conrad Thompson fan but my favorite wrestling podcast ever is the one where he tears into Bischoff over the Sting tan crap
@evillordbeerus2455
@evillordbeerus2455 9 күн бұрын
I don't think Kevin Nash gets enough credit for his efforts to kill WCW.
@pleaseshutup7053
@pleaseshutup7053 9 күн бұрын
I didn’t really understand how nash was that big of a role. But here easy e say I had no choice but to give Kevin nash booking duties then hearing nash shortly after say a lot of mistakes were mad the check stayed the same was blasphemous
@johnnykarate_SweepLeg
@johnnykarate_SweepLeg 9 күн бұрын
Seriously. He really exudes not giving a crap about wrestling, and only about "my checks". He had zero incentive to book a good wrestling product. He was a professional partier.
@jamesroot4958
@jamesroot4958 9 күн бұрын
People can point to Hogan, but imo Nash is the GOAT wrestling room politicker. You also really get the sense from his podcast and this show that he 100% has basically no regrets or guilt over WCW dying. And why should he? WWE kept paying him.
@aic8001
@aic8001 9 күн бұрын
​@@johnnykarate_SweepLeg I mean, he's said numerous times he was only in the business for the money
@gold2040
@gold2040 9 күн бұрын
@@jamesroot4958 Earn the most by doing the least work
@RudyHarlanPhantomBoom
@RudyHarlanPhantomBoom 9 күн бұрын
In my opinion, the wheels started to fall off WCW when Hogan dismantled the finish to Starrcade ‘97. I pity Bischoff because to this day he’s still delusional in making excuses for Hogan’s decisions. Bret Hart said it best, “Hogan was the puppet master and Bischoff was just a prop.”
@RagnarokB
@RagnarokB 9 күн бұрын
I misread that as "and Bischoff was just a poop", and still don't think you were wrong :D
@PatFussy069
@PatFussy069 9 күн бұрын
If one thing has proven true it's that a promoter will go the extra mile for Hogan, Bishoff, Vince, & Inoki all caved into Hogan. The only person who didn't was Gagne. Can't blame him Hogan can sell anything, when he more than likely told Bishoff it would keep the cash cow going changing the finish to Starrcade, I doubt he could say no to that. Initially he was right, it wasn't immediate people started turning on WCW.
@socipathicgaming5914
@socipathicgaming5914 9 күн бұрын
You can't trust what Bret says. The problem with Bret Hart is that he 100% believes what he says even when shown evidence to the contrary.
@romelmunoz7957
@romelmunoz7957 9 күн бұрын
​@@socipathicgaming5914yeah but then see what Hogan and Bischoff did on TNA too...
@roccojamison89gooker51
@roccojamison89gooker51 9 күн бұрын
Imagine if Hulk Hogan was in a Puppet Master movie
@kongmengyang1098
@kongmengyang1098 9 күн бұрын
Correction Corny: Hogan turned to everyone and said "That don't work for me brother....."
@carriebrooks2377
@carriebrooks2377 9 күн бұрын
😂😂😂😂 i said that too
@heydudedolfan13
@heydudedolfan13 9 күн бұрын
I went into Hulk's shop in Orlando and bought some Piper stuff he was selling, and Hogan asked me, "no Hulkster stuff brother?" I responded with, I was never a fan of yours, no offense, Bret, Piper, Mick Foley, X-Pac and CM Punk are my favorites. He had a difficult time hearing that from me. I'm not a fan of Warrior but I watched that video on Warrior saying "there was no room for anyone else for the fans to enjoy and get behind, in the mind of Terry except for Hulk Hogan" Warrior was a bigot but he wasn't lying about Hogan, wasn't lying about Nash either. Two things can be true at the same time. Hogan wasn't wrong about Macho Man and the way he treated Elizabeth and she went from one toxic relationship with Randy to another one with Luger.
@user-lk5jy2uk2f
@user-lk5jy2uk2f 9 күн бұрын
NWO and Hogan should’ve ended in 97.
@NatureBoy420
@NatureBoy420 9 күн бұрын
wow, you sound like a demented lunatic. you are NO wrestling fan. cm punk and xpac? lol good grief dude hogan is the greatest wrestler of all time. flair is 2nd. bret is 3rd. "they live" is my fav movie all time. piper was amazing in that as himself
@JohnWicksmagazine
@JohnWicksmagazine 8 күн бұрын
@@user-lk5jy2uk2fcorrect. Should’ve ended when Sting was supposed to beat Hogan CLEANLY. But Terry being Terry…
@XombieLejon66
@XombieLejon66 9 күн бұрын
Everyone on that show just kept saying, "It's everyone else's fault but mine "
@tehslackerer83
@tehslackerer83 8 күн бұрын
thats classic wrestler shit, no one takes credit for the flops but everyone takes credit for the successes
@JohnWicksmagazine
@JohnWicksmagazine 8 күн бұрын
Only thing that shocked me was hearing how they all supported Bischoff. We really didn’t know what he was fighting behind the scenes. Til now. He really was trying to do what was best for business. Taking that hiatus and giving Nash the control was his biggest mistake.
@tehslackerer83
@tehslackerer83 6 күн бұрын
@@JohnWicksmagazine Nash probably had the pencil in his hand about 3 seconds before he booked himself to end bill goldberg's streak
@zhougongjin2704
@zhougongjin2704 3 күн бұрын
Goldberg was the only one who was right
@dildonius
@dildonius 2 күн бұрын
​@@tehslackerer83Thanks to interference....and then he laid down for Hogan the next night.
@shaunieinthewrasslin2877
@shaunieinthewrasslin2877 9 күн бұрын
Bret Hart really summed up this show immediately, watching all these old liars talk is aggravating especially Bischoff
@mrnicemam8523
@mrnicemam8523 9 күн бұрын
Bischoff is a liar? How?
@JohnKobaRuddy
@JohnKobaRuddy 9 күн бұрын
​@@mrnicemam8523nothing was his fault or Hogan's. In Eric's eyes.
@rdrouynriv
@rdrouynriv 9 күн бұрын
@@mrnicemam8523 He's best friends with Hogan. There's a saying "birds of a feather flock together".
@pleaseshutup7053
@pleaseshutup7053 9 күн бұрын
@@JohnKobaRuddyit wasn’t his fault bischoff is right
@antoineLebrane
@antoineLebrane 9 күн бұрын
bro first of all dont get in the comments trying to paint a narrative bischoff has never lied about anything pertaining to how stuff at wcw went down
@gunnarjordan6980
@gunnarjordan6980 8 күн бұрын
I will forever believe it was Hogan, Nash, & Bischoff. The main 3 anyway. They did the biggest damage.
@cade377
@cade377 Күн бұрын
What about Vince Russo? It was Russo, the guys you mentioned along with not bringing up any new/young talent. Also, remember when they went to 3 hours live....? The first hour was just guys in the ring... talking. Boring. So boring.
@damongales319
@damongales319 9 күн бұрын
I almost fell out of my chair when Kevin Nash said that Goldberg didn't have any skill in pt 2. Talk about the pot calling the kettle
@MCastleberry1980
@MCastleberry1980 9 күн бұрын
In all fairness, Nash has always been open about his limitations in the ring, and was specifically talking about Goldberg knocking the shit out of everyone lol Nash may not have the best workrate, but he wasn't hurting guys and the stuff he did at least looked good and made sense for him.
@jonrobbin170
@jonrobbin170 9 күн бұрын
"Big Men" were never there for skill but rather to be a monster for the babyfaces to try to dragonslay.
@mykoniichistorychannel
@mykoniichistorychannel 9 күн бұрын
@@MCastleberry1980This.
@roccojamison89gooker51
@roccojamison89gooker51 9 күн бұрын
@@MCastleberry1980 Nash did have average carpentry skills.
@alphatoddio
@alphatoddio 9 күн бұрын
I see what you did there...😅​@@roccojamison89gooker51
@Wonkzzilla
@Wonkzzilla 9 күн бұрын
Will always remember fondly switching between Raw & Nitro.
@billyshead1339
@billyshead1339 9 күн бұрын
Oh yea definitely 👍🏻 good times!
@TheJbonez1000
@TheJbonez1000 9 күн бұрын
I went down with the sinking ship till the last nitro. Never watched wwf until the horrible invasion angle
@philosophicalviking6808
@philosophicalviking6808 8 күн бұрын
It was a fun time!
@p.d.l7023
@p.d.l7023 8 күн бұрын
Same. Also, Monday Night Football Sept.-Dec.
@quentinkaasa47
@quentinkaasa47 6 күн бұрын
Will always fondly remember never watching the first hour of Nitro and then tuning into RAW is WAR.
@kevinkbradshaw2239
@kevinkbradshaw2239 9 күн бұрын
The 4 things that killed WCW all revolved around Hogan. 1. Starrcade 97- Hogan didnt want to loose clean to Sting 2. Hogan winning World Title with fingerpoke of doom 3. Bash at the Beach 2000, Hogan pinning Jarrett for the World Title 4. Eric being starstruck and wanting to be Hogans best friend. So Hogans ego was the main reason WCW died. Just my opinion.
@americanbadass88
@americanbadass88 9 күн бұрын
Halloween Havoc 98 where Hogan had to get his Wrestlemania win from Warrior and the match sucked and went long and made the PPV go over the time allotment sop cable companies started dropping the feed on the main event that people PAID to see. and they had to air the match on Nitro the next night is up there on the list to
@IanVersusDaddybones
@IanVersusDaddybones 9 күн бұрын
The Yet Tay
@72shmoe
@72shmoe 9 күн бұрын
What about when David Arquette won the title?
@kingmorrison749
@kingmorrison749 9 күн бұрын
​@@americanbadass88That was the last ppv we bought for WCW. It was horrible and we were pissed.
@kevinwhite3685
@kevinwhite3685 9 күн бұрын
Thank you! Everything revolves around Hogan
@stingrey1571
@stingrey1571 9 күн бұрын
This story has been told to death. However I do appreciate seeing turner execs and their perspective.
@retepoteil
@retepoteil 9 күн бұрын
True it’s been talked about to death. But it still is crazy a company so big in 98 was gone in 3 years. Top it off it takes us back to a time when wrestling was everywhere
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 9 күн бұрын
@@retepoteil I think that was part of it. WWF just took the TNN deal for way more money to be on way less homes and their ratings took a hit. WCW's business metrics dropped like a rock for over two years. A corporate executive reading the tea leaves is thinking wrestling was a fad and it's on the way out.
@retepoteil
@retepoteil 9 күн бұрын
@@jaredbellow I really haven’t watch wrestling in years but ppl to this day still talk about the Monday night war. Since then wwf has been playing catch up
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 9 күн бұрын
@@retepoteil The fanbase they have now is so different, the business landscape, cable TV, everything. The business is hotter than ever but not the same to us. We know that the WWE made it now but it wasn't obvious in 2001. We had seen the WWF nearly go under before. 94-96 was ROUGH. They taped Raws in high school gyms. The WWF ratings plummeted in 2002 as well. There were many indicators of declining interest.
@retepoteil
@retepoteil 9 күн бұрын
@@jaredbellow they ruined the invasion angle, rock went to Hollywood, Austin turned heel, HHH had an injury and there was a lot of die hard wcw fans. When wcw went under half the wrestling audience left and never came back
@danielsims916
@danielsims916 9 күн бұрын
I’m waiting for episode three with Russo for cornette to review, that will be the funny one
@danielhylander9535
@danielhylander9535 9 күн бұрын
Ok bro
@smarkslowplay3512
@smarkslowplay3512 9 күн бұрын
Parental control was at fault BRO
@Dezert_Fox
@Dezert_Fox 9 күн бұрын
I can't wait for Russo to add syllables to every word
@danielsims916
@danielsims916 9 күн бұрын
@@smarkslowplay3512 can’t say that because it was that way since August 1998, a whole year before Russo came
@danielsims916
@danielsims916 9 күн бұрын
@@Dezert_Fox WR-EST - LING, EVE-RY- THING!!!
@chri6393
@chri6393 9 күн бұрын
I was 100% wcw. That starcade confused the world out of me. I wasn't a "smart" fan. I just was like...what huh..and just lost intrest
@davidv2004
@davidv2004 9 күн бұрын
It’s really just as simple as that
@benwestover2430
@benwestover2430 9 күн бұрын
It’s hilarious that they still try and say Sting was out of shape and pale and such. You can watch the match. He looked great. 😂
@JamesJohnson-tr1gu
@JamesJohnson-tr1gu 9 күн бұрын
To be fair, Sting himself has said, at least mentally he wasn’t in a good space, because he was dealing with substance abuse issues, and his marriage was falling apart
@runawayuniverse
@runawayuniverse 9 күн бұрын
I think pale and out of shape is code for alcoholic and drug addict.
@runawayuniverse
@runawayuniverse 9 күн бұрын
I think pale and out of shape is code for alcoholic and drug addict.
@rdrouynriv
@rdrouynriv 9 күн бұрын
@@JamesJohnson-tr1gu 90% of the roster had substance abuse issues at that time. Using that against a guy you don't want to job to is low, even for Hogan.
@ScaryAhhBoy
@ScaryAhhBoy 9 күн бұрын
@@rdrouynrivwho used that? STING SAID IT HIMSELF, the narrative of always blaming EVERYTHING on Hogan is getting old!! You’re literally watching Vids from Jim Cornette, we all know that dude isn’t holier than thou.
@michaellyden2580
@michaellyden2580 9 күн бұрын
Who Killed WCW? "It's me, Austin! I was me all along, Austin!"
@skeletor7908
@skeletor7908 8 күн бұрын
😂👌🏻
@quentinkaasa47
@quentinkaasa47 6 күн бұрын
So Russo's writing then?
@bingeMAFIA
@bingeMAFIA 9 күн бұрын
Starcade 97 finish was them hitting the iceberg, the Goldberg loss was them taking on water, and the finger poke of doom was the ship snapping in half while sinking. 🚢
@natebaxter9551
@natebaxter9551 9 күн бұрын
The curse of El Dandy killed it. Bret tried to tell em.
@cypher515
@cypher515 9 күн бұрын
The Jump The Shark moment for WCW was definitely the Fingerpoke of Doom. If you remember the actual time Fonzie jumped the shark, anyway. It's meant to be the point where you know the show is headed down. And WCW did good numbers afterwards but was steadily trending downwards from that point.
@ebransc09
@ebransc09 9 күн бұрын
Their jump the shark moment was actually the debut of The Shark.
@DukeRhodes
@DukeRhodes 8 күн бұрын
Arquette?
@DukeRhodes
@DukeRhodes 8 күн бұрын
Fonzie still wearing his leather jacket while jumping the shark.
@GojiAnguirus
@GojiAnguirus 9 күн бұрын
Hulk Hogan has done as much to hurt the wrestling industry as he has done to help it. Maybe even more. The fact that Hogan could not do for Sting, WCW & the wrestling industry at Starrcade 1997 what Andre the Giant did for Hogan, the WWF & the wrestling industry at WrestleMania 3 just a list over 10 years earlier says all you need to know about Terry Bollea (Hulk Hogan) and who he truly is as a person. The fact that Hogan can't make that connection is mind blowing to me. To this day Hogan says that he was worried Andre wasn't going to "do the honors" at WrestleMania 3. Just goes to show how out of touch with reality that Hogan was already becoming in 87 to think that about Andre when *EVERYONE ELSE* knew Andre would do the right thing for the wrestling industry as he always had. Hogan's ego, selfishness, insecurity & delusional way of thinking was one of the biggest parts of WCW imploding.
@Maverick512000
@Maverick512000 8 күн бұрын
While I don't disagree others have also said that no one was sure Andre would put Hogan over, to be fair it was because Hogan made him mad, and that Andrea himself didn't confirm that he would do the job until right before it started.
@p.d.l7023
@p.d.l7023 8 күн бұрын
Hogan only ever cared about Hogan, brother!
@masterairhart
@masterairhart 9 күн бұрын
It’s ironic that bischoff is shitting on Tony for being exactly as clueless & as unable at accepting accountability as Eric’s been his whole career
@sirtoby4939
@sirtoby4939 9 күн бұрын
Bischoff has taken responsibility for several things that went wrong in both WCW and TnA. Including the Starcade 97 fiasco, even though people (rightly) blame that on Hogan.
@masterairhart
@masterairhart 8 күн бұрын
@@sirtoby4939 he can’t admit that Brian pillman worked him into releasing him for some weird reason , couldn’t admit he screwed sting just for not having a tan and admitting hogan pulled strings, and couldn’t admit he fumbled bret hart, he just blames Bret.
@Maverick512000
@Maverick512000 8 күн бұрын
@@masterairhart If you are going to talk about wrestler's working to get released Pillman was nothing compared to Angle getting Vince to release him. Bischoff has said multiple times Hogan was the one that changed the match, he's said he agreed with it which he takes the heat for but Hogan was the one that made the call. As far as Bret goes anyone that was watching saw that it wasn't the same Bret Hart. Montreal and then especially Owen's death changed him and he was a shell of the man he was in WWF. You want to hear someone blame everyone but themselves just listen to Bret talk about anything, he has never taken responsibility for any of the wrong turns in his career. It was always Vince or Shawn or Goldberg or Bischoff or Hogan or whomever.
@mattpierce-kq5ps
@mattpierce-kq5ps 6 күн бұрын
Hindsight is 20/20
@adamkeller7749
@adamkeller7749 9 күн бұрын
WCW had more "Montreal screwjobs" it's a miracle it even last till 2001.
@andresuker858
@andresuker858 9 күн бұрын
Jericho is the Modern Day Hogan , the Bucks are the Nasty Boys , Kenny is Missy Beefcake and Nakazawa is Brutus.
@NumberOneGar
@NumberOneGar 7 күн бұрын
Does that mean Tony Khan is Jimmy Hart?
@Bask3tChase
@Bask3tChase 9 күн бұрын
The Starcade 97 finish and the subsequent wet fart that was the Scott Hall “feud” afterwards was the moment kids quit watching WCW. 8 year old me felt weirded out by the whole thing.
@shindean
@shindean 9 күн бұрын
Learning that sting didn't come out with the title the next day is what killed it for me. Like what's the point? Hogan's best years were 20 years ago and sting can still perform with anyone... Hogan losing was not going to endanger the NWO or his popularity, so what the hell is the point?
@Bask3tChase
@Bask3tChase 9 күн бұрын
@@shindean They "held the title in the air" at that Nitro because of the shoddy finish. Sting came out with it, and then had to hand it to Commissioner JJ Dillon. I immediately changed the channel and never looked back.
@shindean
@shindean 9 күн бұрын
@@Bask3tChase I honestly thought until this moment that that was a fever dream🤣 I remember Kane having a title simply because they let him hold it for 2 hours
@freebachelor5060
@freebachelor5060 9 күн бұрын
Thinking about it how do you do a match like that though. Sting for the entire year ran through the entire NWO just about every week and Hogan was scared to death to face him. Hogan even tapped out to Lex Luger several times throughout the year. If Hogan doesn't get destroyed then it makes Sting and the entire NWO roster that took bumps for Sting look really weak, but if Sting runs over Hogan with no give where does Hogan go from there? It's kind of the Glacier effect. There is no way to top the entrance. In this case, there was no way to top the angle that had been going on for a year. Hogan eventually found a way to do something without having the belt, but it seems like his gimmick whether heel or babyface needs the title to draw money. From that perspective that match was screwed no matter what.
@shindean
@shindean 9 күн бұрын
@freebachelor5060 it was screwed because they cut their own legs off by not committing, Hogan isn't a victim of his success, that title has achieved more before he came along
@mikeplumer7687
@mikeplumer7687 9 күн бұрын
Hogan built and destroyed WCW on the day he signed that ridiculous deal
@goldenpeacock8843
@goldenpeacock8843 8 күн бұрын
1st Nail in The Coffin,when The Radicalz appeared on WWE TV🤣
@originalhuggies9740
@originalhuggies9740 9 күн бұрын
Starcade '97 killed WCW for me. It was the first and only WCW PPV I had ever purchased and I stood there asking myself "wtf".
@cjtquk
@cjtquk 9 күн бұрын
Pretty much all of them killed WCW Eric Bischoff: got too big headed over beating Raw and couldn't keep the momentum. Hulk Hogan: Did what was best for himself more than for the good of WCW. nWo: Got way too bloated in members and diluted it. Vince Russo: What worked in 1998 absolutely did not work in 1999 and 2000 and even then he had McMahon and co to tweak the ideas into something better. Time Warner and AOL merger: reduced Ted Turner's influence and power over WCW.
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 9 күн бұрын
Even if Russo had good creative for an Attitude style product (he didn't), it wasn't what WCW fans wanted. They liked it different, if they wanted Attitude it was on USA Network.
@reginaldshort8486
@reginaldshort8486 9 күн бұрын
The fact that you had execs who in spite of the money WCW was making from 96-98 was actively trying to kill it tells me WCW could never have beaten WWF.
@andrewclayterman6230
@andrewclayterman6230 9 күн бұрын
Eric should've went to Ted about all his execs trying to sabotage WCW once it got hot.. he wouldve had a lot more leverage at that point.
@reginaldshort8486
@reginaldshort8486 9 күн бұрын
@@andrewclayterman6230 maybe. These guys were also making major money in their divisions so it’s a coin flip on who he believes. Bischoff who he’s heard about for 3-4 years or his execs he’s known for 10+ years.
@CyberHangman
@CyberHangman 8 күн бұрын
This is why I hate political and religious corruption in business. At least greedy corporate executives care about the bottom line
@Maverick512000
@Maverick512000 8 күн бұрын
@@andrewclayterman6230 Not sure if you are familiar with the corporate world but you don't just go to the owner and tell him his top level people are screwing part of the company over. Also WCW was making money but nothing compared to some of the other divisions that these executives were over and they dealt with Turner everyday vs Bischoff who saw him once in awhile. The only reason Turner backed Bischoff like he did was because he liked wrestling from growing up and had a long standing feud with Vince but it was never the bread and butter of Turner broadcasting.
@ToastyJason
@ToastyJason 7 күн бұрын
Ted Turner temporarily brought back a few of his old fancies in the 90s from Our Gang Shorts and Three Stooges Full Length Movies to Southern Wrasslin but it was only temporary.
@only1icon1801
@only1icon1801 9 күн бұрын
The bookings at Starcade was where you knew it was going to go down the shitter. Dropping the ball on the finish for Sting and Brets debut in one night just showed Bischoff didn't have a fucking clue
@GamerLegend.97
@GamerLegend.97 9 күн бұрын
No you know where it really started going downhill not knowing how to end a pay-per-view on time like Halloween havoc between diamond Dallas Page and Goldberg but yet have the audacity to show a horrible match like the ultimate warrior versus hulk Hogan rematch
@only1icon1801
@only1icon1801 8 күн бұрын
@GamerLegend.97 the fact that Hogan only got Warrior in, just to get his own back, speaks volumes about his ridiculous ego.
@prestonpfeiffer
@prestonpfeiffer 9 күн бұрын
Kevin Nash had the best line of this… “THANKS FOR THE CASH! 🎬”
@ainaalaina-kn8kp
@ainaalaina-kn8kp 9 күн бұрын
As much as I like Eric, after watching his podcasts for a year or two now it’s pretty obvious when Eric conveniently “forgets” important factors when giving his part 😂
@antoineLebrane
@antoineLebrane 9 күн бұрын
um sir thats a lie bischoff has spoke openly for yearsssss about everything thats in that documentary i dont know what youre talking about
@IImitateVince
@IImitateVince 9 күн бұрын
​@antoineLebrane pay attention. Watch Eric's podcasts some time when you get some free time
@henrygvidonas9573
@henrygvidonas9573 9 күн бұрын
@@antoineLebrane He has told four or five contradicting versions of the "Hogan joins the nWo" story over the years alone. Sometimes it was his idea, sometimes it was Hogan's. Sometimes he had to talk Hogan into it for hours, sometimes Hogan had already made up his mind before the meeting at his house. Bischoff lies like a rug. And when he can't come up with a lie fast enough, he pretends that he can't remember - or he arrogantly claims that the question is beneath him, because he was "concerned with the bigger issues" and didn't have time to bother with the day-to-day of the promotion, etc. ATM-Eric and Bret Hart have one thing in common: Both have never made a single mistake in their entire lives - and everything that went wrong in their lives was somebody else's fault. No exceptions. Just ask them, they'll tell ya!
@ainaalaina-kn8kp
@ainaalaina-kn8kp 9 күн бұрын
@@henrygvidonas9573 thank you🙏
@lawrencericho3635
@lawrencericho3635 9 күн бұрын
He's fallen on every sword imaginable with WCW. Y'all just don't want to change
@henrikschmidt3964
@henrikschmidt3964 9 күн бұрын
Not putting Sting over clean as a sheet at Starrcade could not and cannot be justified. It was like the Wrestlemania feel-good that had been all but promised to the fans and then it was taken away. That one botch was so unbelievably costly. Many lost 'hope' that the good guy was going to win at any point. Hulk and Bischoff should be ashamed. They screwed Sting. They screwed Bret Hart. And they screwed the fans.
@tadams9735
@tadams9735 9 күн бұрын
Yup, NWO had been beating down the roster for a year and a half straight, this had to be the time that WCW got a win. Plus, Sting had been single handedly handling the NWO when he'd run in on Nitro, but then he basically loses clean to Hogan? Jesus.
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 8 күн бұрын
They had the largest pay per view audience they ever had for a show and didn't deliver to a paying crowd. Pretty costly thing to do. If it was your first time ordering a WCW ppv it was probably your last one too.
@crazyjim9380
@crazyjim9380 2 күн бұрын
I'd call that fairly on point. Starrcade was the peak for their success. Highest buyrate for a PPV. They had picked up a major free agent in Bret and they were about to add a brand new weekly show in Thunder. It should have been the moment that brought them to the next level, instead it was the beginning of the end. From there, Vince brought in Tyson who gave the WWF the mainstream attention to give Austin enough a rub to bring WWF into their hottest business period since Hogan's prime.
@texasblue245
@texasblue245 9 күн бұрын
Glad Rock found ways to weasel into this thing and make it about himself. What a guy!
@ronald-xs7sp
@ronald-xs7sp 9 күн бұрын
He's Executive Producer!
@dpistons149
@dpistons149 9 күн бұрын
The Rock is in this? Hell yeah!
@jakeinator722
@jakeinator722 9 күн бұрын
He's producing the show, lol that's why.
@socialistbatman1211
@socialistbatman1211 9 күн бұрын
I dont mind his ego getting out of control as long as he does the job for Cody eventually
@Saddison01
@Saddison01 9 күн бұрын
Brian Gerwitz learned everything he knows about piss from Jake Roberts
@KamoMustafaWWE
@KamoMustafaWWE 9 күн бұрын
Tony Schiavone spoiling Mick Foley's title win is what began the death of WCW.
@stingrey1571
@stingrey1571 9 күн бұрын
I say it was adding 87 members to the nwo.
@TotalCruiserBabe
@TotalCruiserBabe 9 күн бұрын
that entire nitro killed WCW cuz that was the same one that had the fingerpoke of doom lmao
@antoineLebrane
@antoineLebrane 9 күн бұрын
did yall even watch the show?!🤦🏾‍♂️
@AJnzxv1
@AJnzxv1 9 күн бұрын
Yep, its what started turning the ratings ultimately. Wasn't poor Schiavone's fault though, he was just saying what he was told to say.
@iamdb1990
@iamdb1990 9 күн бұрын
it's was already going downhill before that
@todderickson2435
@todderickson2435 9 күн бұрын
Starrcade 1997: Arguably the best build ever. Arguably the worst execution ever.
@TheNotSure
@TheNotSure 9 күн бұрын
"It was me bischoff! It was me, all along ...... Brother..." - Anonymous confession letter signed H.H.
@InfiniCalendar
@InfiniCalendar 9 күн бұрын
AKA the original HHH
@vincenth.8793
@vincenth.8793 9 күн бұрын
nWo bigger than DX, that's for sure.
@clarkkent983
@clarkkent983 9 күн бұрын
But DX run the biggest wrestling company today and the NWO is all but history...
@quentinkaasa47
@quentinkaasa47 6 күн бұрын
Not by January 1999.
@RileyTaker
@RileyTaker 6 күн бұрын
Don’t tell WWE that.
@oldsman7
@oldsman7 9 күн бұрын
The Shockmaster killed WCW! Sent by old Grinch McMahon himself.
@Lenoxygen
@Lenoxygen 9 күн бұрын
No way; Shockmaster was WCWs biggest draw
@accursedsidor8987
@accursedsidor8987 9 күн бұрын
😂 nowadays maybe but not then
@mykoniichistorychannel
@mykoniichistorychannel 9 күн бұрын
Leave Uncle Fred out of this.
@roccojamison89gooker51
@roccojamison89gooker51 9 күн бұрын
We never got the match between Shockmaster and Steve Blackman
@tims4502
@tims4502 8 күн бұрын
I like to picture an alternate universe where he didn’t trip. What was the plan there? Was he going to wrestle like that? Was his face going to be bedazzled as well?
@sethputnamsghost6538
@sethputnamsghost6538 9 күн бұрын
You didn’t kill WCW, I did. -Anakin Skywalker 😂
@SairajRKamath
@SairajRKamath 9 күн бұрын
I'm particularly interested in Brad Siegel's perspective here. We've heard the rest of the talking heads and their reasons before, but never Brad until now.
@megsley
@megsley 9 күн бұрын
yeah I like hearing from the turner executive side - Dick Cheatham has been interesting too.
@antoineLebrane
@antoineLebrane 9 күн бұрын
he confirmed everything bischoff said basically
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 9 күн бұрын
He really doesn't seem like a bad boss or an obsessive hater. I can see the way he presents himself definitely comes off...heelish, but he looks about the way a guy who created TCM and classic film era AMC (cable channel) would look. He really doesn't seem so bad. His biggest gripe is how much the wrestlers lied and conned in a show where they are still lying and conning many years later.
@freebachelor5060
@freebachelor5060 9 күн бұрын
All of this is in the Book that Guy Evans who's in the series wrote. This series seems to be based on the work he did in his book. I'd recommend the book for more details from the Turner side.
@steveaustin330
@steveaustin330 9 күн бұрын
Bischoff and Hogan blow each other more than my brother and his husband.
@kellyremple8982
@kellyremple8982 8 күн бұрын
Listening to Eric defending Hulk Hogan's decision to change the finish, is astounding. Even if they wanted to go in a different direction, doesn't excuse Hogan telling Nick Patrick to slow down the count. Just inexcusable stupidity.
@dand9106
@dand9106 9 күн бұрын
Dani Garcia is entitled to a career from the divorce settlement.
@ToastyJason
@ToastyJason 7 күн бұрын
The reality of the situation is Hogan was gonna run whatever company he was in to the ground and Vince knew that.
@5Catano4SMMA7
@5Catano4SMMA7 9 күн бұрын
Now everyone understands why Conrad Thomson blows a fuse anytime they talk about Starrcade or the politics of Hogan..
@djohns9295
@djohns9295 9 күн бұрын
Why would Captain Goth who’s been living in the shadows for a year have a tan?
@chrischar9428
@chrischar9428 9 күн бұрын
Looks better on tv
@djohns9295
@djohns9295 8 күн бұрын
@@chrischar9428 It’s not like Sting showed up looking like Shamus. lol And this “tan looks better on tv” thing has warped peoples minds to the point they now come out orange lol. Dracula looks cooler on tv than an Oompa Loompa ever will 😂
@AFMountaineer2000
@AFMountaineer2000 9 күн бұрын
Its in the contract Hogan signed, Bischoff will forever protect Hogans character
@jtrain100179
@jtrain100179 9 күн бұрын
Here is what killed WCW. They had on their roster Undertaker, Steve Austin, Steven Regal, Chris Jericho, Rey Mysterio, Eddie Gurrero, Jim Cornette. And they let them all go in favor of Of Hogan and friends.
@keetsDV
@keetsDV 9 күн бұрын
What killed WCW was Eric Bischoff joining the NWO and becoming an on air character and being way too cocky and focused on the group, overbooking them rather than establishing talents like Eddie Guerrero and Jericho which lead them to jump to WWE . I mean look what happened when He and Hogan went to TNA.
@saj8
@saj8 9 күн бұрын
I believe this is true, too.
@DaveShalim
@DaveShalim 9 күн бұрын
Nah it worked great
@potatoman305
@potatoman305 9 күн бұрын
WCW Eddie was never gonna get anywhere. Latino Heat/Lie, Cheat, Steal Eddie was the guy to put front and center.
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 8 күн бұрын
He and Hogan never made a single hot angle or positive business impact in TNA and left that promotion in flaming ruins to get canceled and people do mental gymnastics to excuse them for that too. It was those damn dirty wrestling hating suits there too, right?
@epsteinsnecktie8690
@epsteinsnecktie8690 6 күн бұрын
You know why the finger poke destroyed WCW? Half the WCW crowd hated Goldberg and Hogan alike. My dad and my brother and I all loved Nash but after the finger poke there was no one to root for. We watched about a month after the finger poke only to see if the old white NWO would get built back up. Once we saw it was going nowhere we turned to WWF and never turned back.
@crazyjim9380
@crazyjim9380 2 күн бұрын
Another one of the big problems was it didn't go anywhere. The idea that Nash would win the title on the biggest PPV for the company and just lay down for Hogan so they could reform the N.W.O. is one of those things that just doesn't really add up in terms of logic and just makes the belt seem rather pointless. There might have been a way to build this into a long term deal for Goldberg but it was just kind of not there. I don't even remember what the follow-up was other than at some point, Hulk randomly became a babyface anyway and ended up fighting Nash at Road Wild.
@theholymackerel072
@theholymackerel072 9 күн бұрын
The finger poke was the spot that ruined everything- Goldberg’s streak was ruined, the Wolfpac was ruined, Wrath’s push was ruined, and the Radicalz exodus the WWE started happening. …and then they hired Russo 9 months later. Tan-dah.
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 9 күн бұрын
No fingerpoke then no Russo, no Arquette, no cancellation. Absolutely. Trying to downplay how monumental and iconic of a screwup that was is crazy.
@gunnarjordan6980
@gunnarjordan6980 8 күн бұрын
So basically Hogan.
@Narrate918
@Narrate918 9 күн бұрын
I agree with Brian the NWO has absolutely a game changer as was Nitro which changed the format of television wrestling. No more squash matches, live every week, backstage segments, etc. Jim is stuck in that carny mentality that he really can’t see the forest for the trees at times.
@MCastleberry1980
@MCastleberry1980 9 күн бұрын
For the first time in awhile the NWO brought a feeling of believability to the product. The funny part for me is you still had stuff like Glacier and his MK ninja feud with Wrath and Mortis going on at the same time.
@DamnedSilly
@DamnedSilly 9 күн бұрын
The problem was they never knew when to do the payoff. Time and time again the stage was set and every damn time they refused to let anybody else get over. That's half the reason the NWO got so stupidly bloated later on because being in on it was the only chance you had to not get walked over. Yeah, it was a big spark at the start but part of it was all the non-wwf fans thinking they were finally going to get to see Hogan as a heel finally have to lose once in a while. They had something great going and got their heads so far up their own asses they blew it in record time.
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 9 күн бұрын
Short term, as a fan, it was amazing to get so much for free. Long term, you burned through all your attractions to sell tickets and pay per views. The jobber matches could get tedious but they were done for a reason. Getting every big match and angle free eventually becomes like a diet of nothing but cookies and ice cream.
@Narrate918
@Narrate918 9 күн бұрын
@@jaredbellow I think that’s fair but just like the guaranteed contracts (and without the guaranteed contracts there’s no way that WCW signs Hogan, Hall, Nash, Piper, Savage, etc.) it was a necessary evil. If Bischoff didn’t find a way to hotshot Nitro and get eyeballs on the product there’s no way that WCW has 83 weeks of beating Vince. If Nitro was just a traditional wrestling show it would have flopped and Bischoff would have been fired. History would have been much different that’s for sure.
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 9 күн бұрын
@@Narrate918 Guaranteeing the contract money is fine. Creative control for Hogan was a major problem. Wrestlers were cheap for the value proposition they offered and promoters weren't going to con them forever. The new contracts we are hearing about like Reigns, MJF, and Okada are like real pro sports money. That may actually be a problem. WCW was a great show. The nWo changed the business. And from 1999 onward you could hear a loud sucking sound emanating from Atlanta until it became a death rattle in March 2001. It fires people up because they had something special and blew it spectacularly.
@shaunkenneally7597
@shaunkenneally7597 9 күн бұрын
Creative control, and not respecting the actual FANS killed the WCW .😢😢
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 9 күн бұрын
^^^^^^^^^^ THIS. They lost the trust of the fans and didn't respect our intelligence; they could never could win it back. Most of that was due to screwjob endings to important stories because of Hogan's creative control. Any other reason is bunk.
@televiper11
@televiper11 8 күн бұрын
Kevin Sullivan doesn’t get enough credit for how well he booked the WCW under & mid card, which made WCW worth watching, even if the main events were poor.
@VHSValdesHasSpoken
@VHSValdesHasSpoken 9 күн бұрын
What killed WCW was the fact they took a whole year to build The Sting vs Hogan match, and Hogan didn't want to put Sting over cleanly. BTW for those calling bs on it look at what that starcade went up against that year Mania 14 Arguably the begging of The Austin Attitude title run
@cipherpac
@cipherpac 8 күн бұрын
Max Bialystock name drop popped me in the middle of my afternoon run.
@dkupke
@dkupke 8 күн бұрын
I’m calling out to you…HEEEEEEELP!!!
@JeremyKasperson
@JeremyKasperson 9 күн бұрын
Hogan's outrageous contract was a Bischoff creation, and it would continue to undercut WCW. There was no mention of the terrible Piper and Warrior matches where they were clearly sucking wind after 5 minutes
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 9 күн бұрын
WCW was doing fine in 1994. They probably were headed for a no losses year at a minimum if they didn't take Hogan on. They didn't need him and he had way less leverage than they let him take. They made a deal with the devil and it went the way I'd expect.
@fightsports66
@fightsports66 8 күн бұрын
@JeremyKasperson I absolutely agree with you that the Hogan Piper match was pretty tough to watch but I went back and looked up the PPV buys for Piper vs Hogan and they were actually good. They were competitive with what WWF pay per view buys were at the time.
@decepticonxhunter4850
@decepticonxhunter4850 6 күн бұрын
@@jaredbellow You are absolutely wrong. Ted Turner would've pulled the plug on WCW himself if it didn't make the kind of improvements he was expecting. They were losing too much money on WCW to justify keeping it around for very long. It may sound silly to say it now given how everything played out, but Bischoff did what he had to do: give the biggest name in wrestling whatever it took to sign him.
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 6 күн бұрын
@@decepticonxhunter4850 It lost 20 million in 1993. They started a turnaround effort in earnest at Starrcade that year. Turner would not have even approved the layout for signing Hogan without the company having a half year of positive momentum. The buyrates doubled from 93 and TV ratings went way up. These are publicly available figures. Go look for yourself.
@PJBlick
@PJBlick 9 күн бұрын
Damn, Travis did it again! That's one of the most GOAT'd depictions of the two. Regardless of the dumb suits in Turner with their anti Pro Rasslin, WCW's failure was a whole lot of cause and effect. Mickey Mouse over there signed a check that he knew he couldn't cash, got that Goofy-assed roid-head a contract with Creative Control, and that pretty much sealed the deal for WCW in the long run. Turner would've reluctantly had to keep WCW if it was good and keeping good ratings, but creatively they pretty much kneecapped themselves by having a setup where Hogan's goofy-ass ran wild, brother. Pretty much caused all the other issues that led to it's death. But imho, Eric and the deal he cut with Hogan was really the catalyst of the whole thing.
@elijahchesterthomas5334
@elijahchesterthomas5334 9 күн бұрын
Corporate killed WCW. Jim said it before: "Just add suits."
@JimmyNotes
@JimmyNotes 9 күн бұрын
Where I live USA was channel 32 and TNT was channel 33. It was so much fun switching back and forth between both shows back in 1998-1999.
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 9 күн бұрын
My channel return button was loose from overusing it. I knew the location by feel.
@JimmyNotes
@JimmyNotes 9 күн бұрын
@@jaredbellow you couldn't even recreate the vibe today if you wanted to. Most people would just watch one show live and then watch a recording of the other show afterward.
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 9 күн бұрын
@@JimmyNotes It's not even written to be watched that way. They basically live off those TV rights and hope a lot of people watch the KZfaq clips and talk about them. Way different businesses, spot on. You can watch a 3 hr Raw in about 45 minutes to an hour if you fast forward the uninteresting junk. The pacing was way different back then, something was happening on Raw every second.
@JimmyNotes
@JimmyNotes 9 күн бұрын
@@jaredbellow It was such a great era to be a kid.
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 8 күн бұрын
@@JimmyNotes Yeah I feel sorry for fans who had to start watching after the Attitude boom because they were born too late. Even the "dark days" of 92-96 when I started watching was so much fun to grow up with. 95 was maybe a little rough, but it was still something to get invested in.
@BetterCallJamie
@BetterCallJamie 9 күн бұрын
TNT was great since you could get it for free here in the UK after Cartoon Network finished at 7pm and on Friday Nitro started, couldn’t afford sky sports
@escojaxz
@escojaxz 8 күн бұрын
you never give a wrestler creative control
@escojaxz
@escojaxz 8 күн бұрын
couldn’t even give it to bret hogan living off 80s fame should have been putting certain people over and also winning this mf is a mark for himself the weakest move set i’ve ever seen should not have beat all them people
@stephenrogers4537
@stephenrogers4537 9 күн бұрын
When you give these guys creative control, who comes in second? BROTHER!😳
@vincentgood2234
@vincentgood2234 8 күн бұрын
"The NWO did not discover the polio vaccine." I still remember with great fondness the moment when Dr. Salk dropped the big leg on polio at Bash at the Beach.
@ericgilbert56
@ericgilbert56 9 күн бұрын
Brian HATES The Rock... 😆 Obviously. I love how Jim ducks it.
@godisgood9933
@godisgood9933 9 күн бұрын
I don't get why he hate him, the rock is one of the greats.
@lawrencericho3635
@lawrencericho3635 9 күн бұрын
He's probably as bored with it as some of us are. Like they've never been in the same state at the same time but Brian acts like The Rock sabotages the bus his kids go to school on every day. It's fuckin weird at this point.
@Lenoxygen
@Lenoxygen 9 күн бұрын
The Rock smashes Brian's mum aye
@nkotbfreak2983
@nkotbfreak2983 9 күн бұрын
@@godisgood9933 he hates Hogan Flair Rock Vince......... basically the all time greats
@marvinleong5902
@marvinleong5902 9 күн бұрын
Because Jim is smart, if Rock lawyers serves Brian Last for defamation, it non of Jim business since Brian was doing it on show. Not even Stephen P New can save him.. Plus Jim doesn't want to ruined his friendship with Dwayne and lowering himself and joining a childish spat with Brian over Rock
@gromester1092
@gromester1092 9 күн бұрын
WCW died when they made Alex Wright stop dancing.
@JamesJohnson-tr1gu
@JamesJohnson-tr1gu 9 күн бұрын
I have a feeling that all the shit Brian talks about the Rock now, if he were to see him face to face, he’d be the first person trying to kiss his ass
@antoineLebrane
@antoineLebrane 9 күн бұрын
yep
@L3ghair
@L3ghair 9 күн бұрын
Brian doesn’t even show his face on the Internet yet feels entitled to criticize Dwayne for literally everything. It’s ridiculous.
@eamonwright7488
@eamonwright7488 9 күн бұрын
@@L3ghair I know! How dare he criticize wrestlers on his wrestling podcast. The humanity!!
@tilden4217
@tilden4217 9 күн бұрын
@@eamonwright7488nothing wrong with criticizing someone, especially The Rock. But Brian just comes off like a bitter IWC mark. Jim is entertaining when he attacks people, while Brian just sounds like a jealous nerd.
@marvinleong5902
@marvinleong5902 9 күн бұрын
its one thing when you criticise someone, it's another when you keep doing it at given chance despite it NONE of Rock businesses. It clear as day Brian Last using his free time to find any dirt on Dwayne so he can use to criticise him even if Dwayne was not involved. And he has the guts to ask "why people calling him out for the Dwayne hate and kept insisting he is shitting on goody goodshoe Dwayne" that anger people Take this show for example, he can't resist himself from criticising Dwayne when the show credit Dwayne and his production company for the production when Dwayne was clearly not even the executive producer. It's the darkside guy. That Brian Last meltdown rant would be so good when Brian say something false about Dwayne and gets serve a lawsuits for defamation
@anman424
@anman424 8 күн бұрын
It's easy for me to forget that hogan (despite his age) still went back to WWF/E AND won more more titles.
@violentbryan21
@violentbryan21 5 күн бұрын
Scott Hall said it best. “WCW made a TON of money but it spent WAY MORE then it made.”
@DJRossNoir
@DJRossNoir 9 күн бұрын
1:33 Don't forget Silk Stalkings
@LilDemonkulous
@LilDemonkulous 9 күн бұрын
That episode was a literal clucking henhouse
@jaredbellow
@jaredbellow 9 күн бұрын
If these guys still lie and backstab over this decades after it matters imagine what the environment was like when it was going on. I think a lot of the WWE's problems Invasion onwards was WCW staff and talent came in, in significant numbers, and brought the dysfunctional company culture with them.
@jorgebarrera2165
@jorgebarrera2165 8 күн бұрын
In a few months Chris Jericho will come out and say him leaving WCW was what killed it
@mattfischer7140
@mattfischer7140 8 күн бұрын
Starrcade 97. That’s where it truly went wrong.
@zantara
@zantara 9 күн бұрын
When TNT started making their own movies in the early 90’s, it definitely felt like they were trying to come off more snobby than they were. Whenever a cable station starts making their own movies like that, they get that attitude, and then poison their own station by over-airing their product over theatrical movies people actually want to see on the station and subsequently water down the movie market. We are seeing that today with streaming services.
@brycetaylor1980
@brycetaylor1980 9 күн бұрын
WHY THE HELL HAS TED TURNER NEVER TALK ON ONE OF THESE THOUSANDS OF WCW DOCUMENTARIES??
@megsley
@megsley 9 күн бұрын
well, he can't now unfortunately because he has dementia.
@jamesroot4958
@jamesroot4958 9 күн бұрын
He’s in his late 80’s and has suffered from Lewy Body dementia for years now. They got his son instead to speak for him.
@babayagaslobbedaknobba
@babayagaslobbedaknobba 9 күн бұрын
Why would he want to? He had no control over WCW when it died. The executives never wanted a wrestling program at all. He got out when he saw it was going down.
@sethputnamsghost6538
@sethputnamsghost6538 9 күн бұрын
@@megsleyDamn really? I wouldn’t wish it on my mortal enemy.
@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother
@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother 9 күн бұрын
@@babayagaslobbedaknobbaHe actually had regrets about selling WCW to AOL. He had said that he would rather go back to one of his exes than to deal with AOL again.
@BrandRedacted
@BrandRedacted 8 күн бұрын
It wasn't one thing that killed WCW. It was egos, guaranteed contracts, creative control, favored nations, etc
@Jrd387
@Jrd387 9 күн бұрын
The Disney tapings absolutely ran on TBS on Saturdays at 6:05 EST. These shows were my introduction to WCW at 7 or 8 years old.
@Hyde_Hill
@Hyde_Hill 9 күн бұрын
They kind of skipped over the Herd period a bit too much imho. As a lot of damage was done there. Do love we are getting more insights from the executives.
@chrischar9428
@chrischar9428 9 күн бұрын
But it was profitable well after him. So. F that
@addidaswguy
@addidaswguy 9 күн бұрын
I don't think he's not saying it because he's trying to get something out of Hogan, it's because he is friends with him and doesn't want to bury him.
@davidv2004
@davidv2004 9 күн бұрын
If their friends it’s understandable but as something as high profile as this is being covered in a doc it just makes him look delusional that he can’t call a spade a spade, you can be friends with someone but still call out their shit that happened in the past, if you can’t then what kind of friendship is that
@codymcnamara6649
@codymcnamara6649 9 күн бұрын
Less than 60 seconds in and referring Brad Seagal as the illegitimate son of Truman Capote has me in tears
@CallMeCrazyCallMePoor
@CallMeCrazyCallMePoor 9 күн бұрын
I'm a firm believer that quality of a product is a drop in the bucket compared to corporate sentiment and market conditions when it comes to the fate of these companies. I'm sure that anybody from the nineties would kill to be in the place WWE and AEW are in, where nobody can afford to turn down a cheap show with a loyal audience while TV declines and the streaming platforms fight to find ways to retain subscribers. WCW had to not only keep sponsors and their network happy, they had a parent company that could choose to prop it up or bury it beneath all of their expenses. After enough corporate shuffling, they ran out of luck.
@littletom1978
@littletom1978 9 күн бұрын
Not that its surprising Jim could see it, but everyone sees the hulk-sting-eric Starrcade scenario the exact same way with Hulk looking out for Hulk. Though whether its to protect his friendship to hulk, or feels acknowledging shows he let hulk control him an makes others claims he didnt know what to do and let hulk run things true, Eric refuses to just say it. He finally hinted at in this doc, but wont say, yeah, it was a short term boost to give hulk all the control, but long term his self preservation damaged wcw. When Jericho tells his Goldberg story, he says was surprised cause hulk was in the room deciding things with eric on it.
@haasteagle2750
@haasteagle2750 9 күн бұрын
Eric Bischoff and Mick Foley killed WCW
@antoineLebrane
@antoineLebrane 9 күн бұрын
cap
@pleaseshutup7053
@pleaseshutup7053 9 күн бұрын
Foley lol
@antoineLebrane
@antoineLebrane 9 күн бұрын
@@pleaseshutup7053 hes dumb lol
@americanbadass88
@americanbadass88 9 күн бұрын
And WCW was winning the ratings that night Bischoff gave the Foley finish away. I was one of the millions that flipped to see a match i already knew the outcome of. Than you went back to Nitro and see the finger poke of doom and are like WTF? than i stopped caring about WCW after that
@joseroselli1034
@joseroselli1034 Күн бұрын
Even Thanos didn't want to use his infinity stones to change WCW
@kelvinberriankb
@kelvinberriankb 9 күн бұрын
1:14 now I wanna watch the USA Cartoon Express block intro
@jasongulino5144
@jasongulino5144 9 күн бұрын
Brian is correct at 11:00. That was DEFINITELY their way of saying Sting was having substance problems at that time. No doubt about it.
@jtown1022
@jtown1022 9 күн бұрын
Now I'm picturing The Rock as Zero Mostel and Brian Gerwitz is Gene Wilder in The Producers.
@brooksmc
@brooksmc 8 күн бұрын
Hogan: "putting someone over doesn't work for me brother." Now everyone is going to look at Bash at the Beach 2000 in a new perspective.
@eals524
@eals524 9 күн бұрын
I get why the title was Who killed WCW but there was no single who. It was death by a thousand cuts. So much bad management and poor decisions over the course of a decade and a half, it only posted a profit 2 of the years Turner owned it, and forget the fingerpoke of death the real sign it was headed down the chute was when the company gave away Hogan v Goldberg. The biggest match they could possibly have, arguably the biggest match pro-wrestling in general could have had that year, was put on free TV with only four days build. I still can't believe they did that.
@jerryd1109
@jerryd1109 9 күн бұрын
WCW's biggest mistake is allowing the talent to book. Everybody that did book could have cared less about what the fans wanted, or worry about the story to make scense. It was all about getting themselves and friends over. Hulk and Flair, in my opinion, were highly over paid and did little to help the younger talent.
@christhornycroft3686
@christhornycroft3686 9 күн бұрын
Eric Bischoff wasn't totally to blame. In fact, he took WCW from a company that had been struggling financially and bleeding money since 1988 when Ted Turner bought the company and actually made it temporarily competitive with WWF. Obviously, that wasn't sustainable, because while Bischoff had a few really good ideas, like the NWO, exposing American audiences to smaller, technical, more athletic wrestlers and bringing in the biggest wrestling star of the 80s, he didn't have a clue how to manage all 3. He ran the NWO storyline into the ground until people were sick of it, he gave Hulk Hogan creative control and that led to a lot of really awful finishes to matches, he buried maybe the best midcard and cruiserweight division of all time in any company and the he forgot that he needed to have compelling episodic continuity. Storylines would die from week to week, like they forgot what they just did. Heels and babyfaces would change on a dime, filler matches would happen with absolutely no buildup, etc etc. Meanwhile, WWF was getting its act together and Vince was able to manage fairly consistent episodic consistency between not just one but two or three major shows, Raw, Smackdown and Heat. Sure, every once in a while, a midcard or lower midcard storyline would get dropped, but it didn't matter because you showed up to see The Rock, Mick Foley, Undertaker, Stone Cold and HHH and their storylines were kept straight. As WCW's storylines were going to hell starting in 1998, WWF's were actually getting more compelling. I know Jim hates the over the top "trash TV" and to some extent I agree, wrestling is a business and in the 90s, that type of television worked for a national audience. It doesn't matter what you as a promoter want to see. You book based on what you think will draw the most money, not just now but long term.
@bluntamainia444
@bluntamainia444 9 күн бұрын
I loved those 2am random World Wide shows. It was just mid carders destroying southern style jobbers and then WWF would have a random late night show featuring mid carders destroying North East style jobbers
@freebachelor5060
@freebachelor5060 9 күн бұрын
The Gambler with his 5 aces
@runawayuniverse
@runawayuniverse 9 күн бұрын
Dennis Stamp not being booked killed WCW.
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