Is there a difference between Tungsten and Led technology in light quality? On paper yes, but does it apply to real-world applications? Watch the video to find out. If you wanna check my FilmEmulation Powergrade: www.film-match...
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@alextempletYT11 ай бұрын
You know this video only told me "if you wanna save a lot of money when starting out filming, and have the space, strength, and power requirements to run them, tungsten lights are a great option to save a ton of money on good quality lighting."
@UbiquitousBooks11 ай бұрын
The shot at 3:02 looks great: composition, lighting, colour. The whole thing is nice! Great work.
@Visualsthatgohard6 ай бұрын
Riiiiiiight, it’s so beautiful
@thundering16 ай бұрын
Something that doesn't get mentioned a lot is that film and tungsten lighting co-developed together for over 50 years. This "newcomer LED lighting" was doing its best to pump out as much light as tungsten (halogen) and be a certain color temperature - but the way it reacted to surfaces in falloff didn't react the same as tungsten. There was definitely more green in there. It's gotten a LOT better these days, to where - yeah - a more fine-tuned color correction eliminates almost every difference, making them so slight as to be practically nonexistent. I still have a 600w Arri, and 2 250w units, that I will likely NEVER get rid of, but they stay on the shelf more and more. They make the set hot, and often uncomfortable, and use more electricity on location - and I can use more units that are LEDs to light up an area and have Amps to spare in comparison.
@PerroneFord Жыл бұрын
There are two very specific things about tungsten that I love. Early LED lights had flicker. Especially if you were shooting for slow motion, or using odd shutter angles. I believe the newer LEDs have solved this problem. But one thing an actor told me always stuck with me. with tungsten they could literally FEEL when the light hit them in a certain place and they knew they were on their marks. LEDs just don't give you that feedback. Don't get my wrong, I have numerous LEDs and am investing in more. I skipped HMI as I never really liked them, but did do some fluorescents. LEDs are getting very powerful, are efficient, can be lighter weight, are safer, etc. I've got Aputure, Godox UL150s, and some Nanlite as well. Lovely stuff. but I use my Mole Richardson Tungsten lights any time I can. :)
@craigrryan86 Жыл бұрын
Everything matters! The feeling of the heat from tungsten light is akin to the sound of film running in the mag. It commands respect and attentive filmmaking. It was better.
@Skapo8 ай бұрын
I have tested the Aputure lights a few years ago for flicker. I had to go above 18,800fps to see any flicker at full blast. At lower brightnesses I could see flicker above 10,000fps or so. Was using a Phantom v1611 along side a Phantom MIRO LC321s. Some of the newer LEDs are rated above 200,000fps flicker free (I believe it was Nanlight advertising that but I may be misremembering). Needless to say flicker is a non-issue on basically any of the new cinema LED lights. Especially if you use Aputure & above from a brand quality perspective.
@nshea328610 ай бұрын
Tungsten lights also have a ton of IR pollution, in addition to being hot and power inefficient. Any green/magenta shift now, is largely the result of the camera. It expects to see a Tungsten spectrum and the color transfer curve of the camera may read the LED spectrum as slightly green or magenta. White balance is the easy fix. Take any new LED at 3200k, above 90 SSI, white balance and you'll be hard pressed to see any difference.
@nativestrong72535 ай бұрын
The differences are blatant
@cokebottles691910 ай бұрын
I love the look and affordability of tungsten. They're easy to look past with the advent of so many great LED options. RGB LED's, light mats/tubes, and tiny battery powered LED's have really changed the game... But if you need a strong pointed source, don't want to worry about green/magenta color casts, and have enough power, Tungsten is every bit as useful today and they're incredibly cheap. I picked up 3x used 1k par can's for $12 each. In narrow spot, they can imitate warm sunlight with enough intensity to keep exteriors properly exposed +20 feet away. Add in a dimmer and some gels, and it's still less than renting an LED capable of that...
@samaBR333 Жыл бұрын
it's not identical but it works very well. i prefer to work with LED, usually it's more portable. the rent prices here in Brazil are not that different from one to another. great video and ligthing! keep up
@jimmyonfilm Жыл бұрын
Definitely! LED, at the end of the day, is so much more convenient! Thanks man!
@samuelluscher819 Жыл бұрын
Thankfully Aputure lights have way less of a green tint, especially compared to the Godoy unit in the video - quality costs though
@akpevbe Жыл бұрын
The Godox light he used in the video is Daylight and not tungsten. He had to use a gel in front of it to try get it to look tungsten.
@DanielScottFilms5 ай бұрын
Great vid! I started out with a couple of small tungsten lights. But after two lights burnt out on me on the same project, I gave up. These days high quality led lights are so good in terms of quality of rendition and are coming down in cost every year. Having a lower power draw means that I can plug my lights into a battery power inverter and shoot for hours.
@Pierorocks11 ай бұрын
I love how tungsten looks, but every year with the increase in LED tech it becomes harder to vouch for them. I still prefer a tungsten bulb practical all day every day, but for an output to energy use level LED's allow me to use more lights for less power consumption which I like. But yes you are right tungsten lights just give you that good stuff for skin tones, can't wait for LED's to hit that 100 cri point haha
@gabrielvalverde61336 ай бұрын
as a indie filmmaker living in a hot environment, i always hate how tungsten lights make every set a oven
@jmbaillard7015 Жыл бұрын
I was all a tungsten guy but now there are powerful LED COB RGBACL, I’ve changed my mind.
@TheVefIt9 ай бұрын
I think the shots at 4:15 still have plenty of difference, the tungsten looks way better IMO. Plus, that's considering you had the reference of the tungsten shot for your adjustments. Considering the price difference from tungsten and LEDs(professional ones that is) I still believe tungsten is very competitive, specially for low budget, and also if you plan on buying your lighting equipment.
@eliapavoni2275 Жыл бұрын
I think nowadays not using LED lights is just a matter of habit, LED are lighter, more portable, easy to use, fast to pack and unpack and most of all they are not a weapon of mass destruction, as always: honor the past but for the love of god embrace the future, i'm from Italy and here the future always comes with a huge delay, everybody is too much old school
@craigrryan86 Жыл бұрын
LEDs are not lighter.
@craigrryan86 Жыл бұрын
It's also a fallacy that LEDs are more environmental. Please explain to me what happens when an LED fails and needs to be thrown away? What happens to the electronics? All that plastic? Also, where are they made? Under what environmental laws?
@eliapavoni2275 Жыл бұрын
@@craigrryan86 with "weapon of mass destruction" i mean they run very very hot, you must handle them with gloves etc and they are a pain to use because you have to wait for them to warm up and then cool down, also they warm up the environment so if you use them in a closed set in summer like i had to do last week you have to turn the AC on and also use every fan you can find in order to fight it, also the talent start to sweat a lot if the light is pointed at them and the make up department get crazy, we switched to LED the following day and the day got easier . While for the weight it ebviously depends on the model itself, for the ones we used LED turned out to be slightly lighter, and when you have to carry 4 of them that "slightly" become more convient every meter hahaha
@eternalproductions2 ай бұрын
Yeahhhh ...but tungsten is prettier
@eliapavoni22752 ай бұрын
@@eternalproductions They are maybe worth it for big production, but for the average filmmaker it's not worth it, especially considering the modern competition
@prestonsmith783 Жыл бұрын
Television in the US has changed to almost all LED lighting. Now skin tones on news and evening talk shows is not very good. Everybody looks pasty and cold. It seems to be something that the studio cameras can't balance out. I'm guessing it is poor CRI on big studio lights.
@eliegattegno5103 Жыл бұрын
If I may (15 years as electrician/gaffer), you probably should compare the two lights without bouncing. The muslin affects the quality of light. If there is a difference between Tungsten and LED, I think you will find it out with direct light (I'm honnestly not sure, LED have made huge progress those last years). And please, be a gentleman, light your model a little bit less from the side.
@ezrarichardson279 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think that would change anything personally. If there both being bounced off the same surface then there both going to be corrected/filtered in the same way. So in theory it shouldn’t make a difference since everything else stays the same.
@eliegattegno5103 Жыл бұрын
@@ezrarichardson279 (Sorry for my english) I would agree on a theorically perfect bouncing surface. But all boucing surfaces will give back most light lengthwaves and absorb some others (it is why it always heats up at some point, even a mirror). In tungsten, the light spectrum is continuous and is composed with all visible light lengthwaves. Not LED. So you have no way to know that the missing lenghtwave on the model (wich is not necessarly a bad thing) comes from your LED source or the muslin.
@ezrarichardson279 Жыл бұрын
@@eliegattegno5103 I get what you mean. I can see how that might cause differences. Most LEDS nowadays are mostly continuous though and some even surpass there tungsten counter parts (although not this one). So I don’t think it would make that big of a difference. Though, it would probably be better to remove everything that might differentiate between the two.
@eliegattegno5103 Жыл бұрын
@@ezrarichardson279 If there is a LED source that surpass tungsten in terms of quality of light, I'm quite curious about it... As far as I know, the best LEDs goes to 97-98 CRI.
@ezrarichardson279 Жыл бұрын
@@eliegattegno5103 based on a data base I found online there are several LEDs that have better cri’s then some tungstens with very similar spectral graphs. To me it seems like if you were to take the average LED and pair it against the average Tungsten then in general the LED will be slightly worse, but the difference would be fairly negligible (like in this video). I think most of the difference could be solved by simply paving a white card on set as reference to remove any green or magenta biasing. But even cheap video light LEDs now have a continuous spectrum and a CRI of 80+ with no absent areas. Household LEDs still have a CRI of 67 on average though lol.
@LizNeptune Жыл бұрын
definitely have a lot to learn about lighting!
@TheHateClub Жыл бұрын
interesting comparison, thanks!
@dam55ian6 ай бұрын
so with modern day sensors do we still need the bigger lights for most things? i got a 4 kit of dedo's and a 300w arri and tbh i can do alot with it indoor as long as i dont need to fight the sun so that puts a twist on things as where u would use a 1k a 650 or even 300 might be enough now and the smaller lights sure still get hot but cool down faster and u can run more of them on house power so i believe there is gonna be a small move to start using these lights again as they produce the og film qualities that we like and ofc they are not that expensive to rent na d for film students i think its better to have a few 150/300/650's instead of maybe 2 aputures
@gsanchez922 Жыл бұрын
Just curious. You wasn't able to get rip off the green tint by add a bit of magenta tint?
@jimmyonfilm Жыл бұрын
Yeah I added some magenta in Davinci Resolve with printer lights and the 2 images turned out to be basically identical
@chrisjenkins9978 Жыл бұрын
The advantages of LED over Tungsten make the choice easy.
@craigrryan86 Жыл бұрын
They're all paint brushes; in most applications tungsten is the superior light source for cinema.
@barisdemiray Жыл бұрын
Really helpful one! Thanks
@cbgaming08 Жыл бұрын
CRI my man
@hagridmedia Жыл бұрын
during your comparisons your practical lights look beautiful. I am assuming they are tungsten (2700k?) What was your white balance here in camera?
@jimmyonfilm Жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Yeah the practicals where around 3000k light bulbs (and the lamp shade lowers that number a little bit). The camera was set to 3200k :)
@w500nm Жыл бұрын
You should rent an HMI and compare that to LED light quality
@dpixvid Жыл бұрын
Tungsten gets hot...back in the day your always brings your gloves for teardown. Plus obviously interior space gets warmer for better or worse
@atindrabiswasDP3 ай бұрын
Thanks for this video dude . I've been searching for a Tungsten and led cob light power output comparison from a long time .👏👏 Can you also tell me what will be the approximate equivalent Tungsten fixture in comparison to a Nanlux evoke 1200b and 2400b . Thanks 😊
@EntropicStarEdits Жыл бұрын
Godox UL series is the cheaper end. The VL and Knowleds are so much better color quality
@Veypurr111 ай бұрын
I burned my hand on a Arri T1, it hurt.
@shueibdahir6 ай бұрын
I just realised the ul150 can outpower the arri if it had the fresnel lens
@dam55ian6 ай бұрын
maybe i have a 300w arri fresnel and an amaran 200x and d with the fresnel but imo sure the 200's outperform the arri in output but i find the fresnels on leds verry focussed to begin with copared to flood on an arri fresnel so 17% output with fresnel on amaran in flood mode was comparable to the arri 300w but the fresnel was a small dot of light compared to the really wide throw of the arri
@shueibdahir6 ай бұрын
@@dam55ian try attaching the fresnel to the amaran and you'll find the output boosted
@dam55ian6 ай бұрын
@@shueibdahir thats what i had in this comparison amaran with fresnel 2x at flood and arri at flood
@RavinderSingh-ft5dw2 ай бұрын
Superb
@lonniesshow5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the keen insights!!! : )
@FitsTube Жыл бұрын
Nice video
@DuncanDimanche-sreview6 ай бұрын
great review
@Dehancer Жыл бұрын
Hi, how can we get in touch with you? We have a collaboration idea
@jimmyonfilm Жыл бұрын
Hi, you can email me at filmmatch.info@gmail.com
@sondp Жыл бұрын
Very good video bro, this kind of comparisons are rare on KZfaq.
@BlaineWestropp1 Жыл бұрын
Love tests like these! Where in Italy are you?
@jimmyonfilm Жыл бұрын
Thanks! I’m in Milan :)
@OBLIVION00279 ай бұрын
The key grip doesn't care about lights because the key grip doesn't work with lights....
@zagabry73 ай бұрын
Are you in Italy?
@jaffsotelo8 ай бұрын
Good
@mcadam28043 ай бұрын
The Key Grip has nothing to do with lighting....see Gaffer.
Жыл бұрын
¡Jum! yo trabajé con tungsteno durante toda la carrera universitaria. Son el infierno. Se necesitan conexiones eléctricas con gran resistencia, el calor es insoportable, el sudor aparece y te arruina todo. Sobre el color: si necesitas mezclar con luz de día introduce la necesidad de filtros... todo se va complicando.
@TheLatsiomichael5 ай бұрын
I see why they laugh at the LED
@bernardo11332 ай бұрын
LED is future indeed, and is better for slmost everything
@Documentary8111 күн бұрын
Except it looks terrible. There is a reason that, at the level I'm working at, crews are still using tungsten. It just looks better.
@brianmcquain338411 ай бұрын
why not just get a bi colored GVM650
@lanic38698 ай бұрын
Tungsten light is easy on the eyes.
@edvardb-mh7jh10 ай бұрын
Led has no soul
@user-zv7lm8uk7h9 ай бұрын
Man that girl looks beautiful in the utngsten light, then you cut to LED and she looks horrible!
@MichelArens Жыл бұрын
This is really misleading bcs you test a budget LED vs a real good tungsten light so pls don’t trust this video guys
@jimmyonfilm Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment. But I think the comparison stands even more because of the fact that I compared a cheap Led to a good tungsten light. And I showed that the cheap led had a slight green tint that can be very easily corrected in post. I meant to show that even a cheap Led can do a very good job. And an expensive Led like for example an arri sky panel, where you can actually input chromaticity coordinates, can only do better job. Have a good day :)
@djentlover Жыл бұрын
What exactly is misleading here?
@nativestrong72535 ай бұрын
LED does not produce the same light. These RGb lights on set are an embarrassment to the production. Learn your craft and stop taking short cuts.