Quick update: it's called a scissor takedown, not a standing scissor sweep. My bad. Also, it's doesn't seem to be 'illegal' everywhere, but it seems to be banned in many gyms and some competitions. Update #2: I really liked this comment explaining their protocol for injury in the gym. "I know out here, at any of the classes of any style, if an injury like that happened, we: 1. Stop everything and get the injured help, up to and including an ambulance call. 2. Find out how the injury happened. 3. Use the moment as a teaching moment. 4. Potentially punish the one who injured his partner if it was a situation where they knew better. That should be the base-line for injury protocol." If you want to see the Ultimate Self-Defense Championship season 2 episodes early: www.patreon.com/USDC Otherwise the show is coming out on KZfaq September 8!

Bro that’s *SHITTY* behaviour from all your classmates and everybody at open mat. If you were really screaming and rolling around *and* still nobody came.. find another club. That’s made my blood boil. Hope you have a speedy recovery man and get back to whatever is next 🙏

God I hate people sparring too hard. You spar with 10 people but the one guy using too much force can ruin the whole mood

Hi, rehab specialist in pro football and livelong martial artis here, sorry to hear about the injury. Couple things to keep in mind, metalwork can be removed again, it's a careful consideration of the pro's and con's but it's possible, so please don't fully buy into the "for the rest of your life" idea too early. In general, don't wait too long with putting pressure on the leg, don't wait too long with introducing flexion/extension. How long is right can't be judged from distance, you'll need experienced physios to help you there, but in general there has been a shift towards reintroducing joint function earlier than later. What I mean with "too long" is, some patients want to do the process "extra correct" and instead of introducing weight loading after 2 weeks (if that's appropriate for their situation) they think it's better to wait another X days on top or so, same with flex/ex, in order to be extra careful, while in fact this often makes the rehab process worse instead of better. However, in some cases one needs more time, so don't think in these generic time frames that the docs have to prescribe according to the legal framework in medicine. Remember the docs don't do the day to day rehab, so find an experienced physio to organically guide you is absolute key. Also, keep your vitamin d levels at the top end of the range. And lastly, don't preset your mind to the idea that this injury will be affecting you negatively for the rest of your life. The truth is we don't know, it might, it might not - but i've seen too many bad injuries that were successfully overcome also in long term follow ups, especially when patients had a positive attitude, so the most important tip really is to stay positive, calm and open, the incredible capacities of the human body might just surprise you once more. All the best.

“Everybody kept rolling… including the instructors.” INEXCUSABLE!! Disgusting!! Never train there again, even if you fully recover.

Holy shit, that dude should be sued. Scissor takedowns are forbidden for a reason, doing it against an (unknowing) opponent in sparring is a scummy thing to do

No one checking on a screaming student-who was on the receiving end of a forbidden technique-is a huge red flag. Awful. So sorry you had to deal with this.

The commitment to the channel to wake up mid surgery and plug it to nurses is commendable.

I stopped sparring with strangers on open mats. broken jaw with life long compications like vertigo and displacements, broken rips, broken knee cap and broken shin. never sparr with strangers.

Join combat sports so that you never get hurt in a street fight. Result: Never have a street fight and get injured repeatedly in training.

You know you have a problem when you're waking up in the middle of a surgery to say "like and subscribe"...

Thank you so much for sharing this. Please keep us posted!

Sue. Too many idiots in BJJ at the minute that are ruining the sport. A few lawsuits would start to change things.

The fact that nobody stopped tells me that's a dangerous gym, buddy. I'm really sorry this happened to you. This guy that hurt you is a horrible person, too. 😢

The fact that no one stopped, or the instructors didnt even come and check, is DISGUSTING to me. Our gym, and the half a dozen others we’re affiliated with around here, does an open mat every week with 6-8 schools attending, usually 30-40 active people on a good night. On the few occasions where someone has been injured to the extent where they yell or cry out, everyone, and I mean everyone, stopped and was respectful. And from the other gyms I’ve traveled to and seen similar experiences they had a similar culture. To me, that speaks to the culture of that gym, and id personally not want to be affiliated with it. im sorry you got injured man, that’s everyone’s greatest fear who practices jiujitsu, I hope the recovery goes smooth!

I injured my knee in a comparable incident at age 14. Now I'm 44, living with knee pain since then. I wish you all the best.

ROKAS THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO. Im pablo from Chile. I practice judo for 5 years. Few months ago a very toxic guy and kind of violent started to do randori with me, and the guy did like a sleeve pull to take mi hands off his judogi (move that recently the sensei of our dojo said " please take care of your fingers and don't do thad)..... well.. to make the long story short, the guy did that thing and fractured one of my fingers.. first i thought it was a ligament pull but due to the pain i went to Urgency room in a clinic and the phalange of one of my fingers of the left hand was absolutely shattered, they had to put like a needle in my bone to keep that tight.. still now i cant practice judo and im so sad and angry at the time... realliy... i dont know what to do but sadly in the dojos there is a lot of toxic behavior... im with you rokas

As soon as this video started, i thought "i bet it was a scissor sweep". Sorry to hear that, and that's awful behavior from that gym. Hope you recover quickly 💪

Rokas, as a sports medicine professional and bioengineer, I want to share some hope and encouragement. While your injury might seem daunting, remember that the severity is often emphasized to ensure proper care, not to predict lifelong consequences. With dedicated physical therapy and a focus on recovery, you'll adapt and eventually barely notice it most days. I've faced life-changing injuries to both legs and developed post-traumatic OA before 20, yet I still pursue my passions for martial arts and maintain athletic ability, albeit with some added pain and longer warm-ups. Managing stress, diet, sleep, and exercise can significantly reduce pain, and committed rehabilitation lowers the risk of re-injury or lifelong impairment. There's also exciting progress in biomechanical implants for athletes, like the MISHA knee system, which has shown great promise in reducing osteoarthritis effects and chronic pain. Advances like these give hope that lifelong impairments will soon be a thing of the past. Stay focused on your recovery and the activities you love. From one martial artist to another, you've got this!

Years ago, practically the same thing happened to me during an MMA session. The trainer helped me, but they didn't have any ice or anything. I practically walked to the hospital, which is absolutely a no-go. Years later, during a BJJ session, a kid broke his arm in three places. He was screaming and writhing on the ground, and the trainer (that bastard!) didn't care at all and didn´t even stop the training!!! Fortunately, two girls called an ambulance. There are too many idiots full of ego and toxic masculinity in the environment. I wish you a speedy recovery, Rokas!

And my coach did this takedown to me in MMA sparring, he is not evil, just plain stupid. I gave up taking courses from him after two months.

This looks like it's gonna be a story about the scariest part of BJJ.

Is this where the second aikido arc begins?

So sorry to hear that. Accidents happen in martial arts practices, but always there is someone that want to go further like they need to prove something.... Very bad practitioners

Your journey is really inspirational to me as a martial artist who also started in aikido (though I didn’t get nearly as far as you did) and who does mma. I’m so sorry that this happened to you. I hope the healing goes as well as it can go and that your next chapter is an amazing one be it in martial arts or something else.

This is horrible bro, hopefully there is someone that can help with your physical therapy. Much prayers🙏🏻stay strong

This isn’t the first story of some random dude doing a kani basami/scissor takedown resulting in catastrophic injury. Shit is dangerous.

I'm sorry to hear about your injury. That's terrible and I hope you have a swift recovery. You have been an inspiration to me and so many others since the start of your channel. That said, please make whatever choices are best for you and your own life considering continuing your training. You have given so much to the martial arts community and we appreciate every moment, but you don't owe us anything. Thank you so much for what you do and everything you have done. I wish you a speedy and successful recovery.

Fucked up, bro. I don't know why some people roll like that. I hope you recover better than expected.

People should STOP just doing dangerous stuff but if they going to insist the least they can do is ask their training partners if THEY are okay with those moves being used. Also, if the b-team can literary put up signs with rules of gyms anyone can. Especially when so many people break them.

Wow your gym really showed their true colors fast! I'm surprised there weren't warning signs sooner. I'll pray for your fast recovery man.

I never liked how cocky wrestlers and bjj guys were. That’s why i chose the sword. Not the love making ☝️

I feel bad that this happened to you. But I also admire your optimistic attitude towards all of this. You kept a smiling face even before going into surgery. Keep up this positive outlook and wishing everything works out well.

I'm a judoka and honestly the worst people are the STRANGERS who are so intense and go really hard when you're just doing randori (sparring)... And will do anything to throw you even put you in danger.. Even in competition most people won't do moves they know they can't control (which are more dangerous to the opponent) but some have absolutely no qualm doing it. When I saw the thumbnail and you mentioned "forbidden move" I instantly thought of kani basami (scissor takedown) which is also BANNED in judo (for good reason) BJJ practicioners doing takedowns are so dangerous because alot of guys aren't very practiced at is like wrestlers/judoka so they end up doing stuff and techniques they don't understand

The fact no one stopped to help you is down right unacceptable. An open matt is one of the sessions that an instructor should be on the ball more than anything due to the free nature of it.

First, let me say I hope that recovery goes as well as it can, and that post recovery you regain full use of the leg. This video seems to encapsulate all the things I've come to appreciate about your channel. Not the injury, but the honesty in which you share what is happening. The fact that no names are mentioned, and you use this as an opportunity to talk about how it improve as a community is touching in a way i can explain in this moment. Again, I hope you have an easy and durable recovery.

I have followed your content from your first skeptical aikido post. I am sorry for your misfortune. I thank you for your courage and honesty and look forward to the next chapter in your odyssey.

This is the main reason why I left modern martial arts and returned to traditional ones, with less sparring and a more health-friendly mode). Some people are stupid, some are really evil. Both types can ruin your health. I was injured myself and realized - wasn’t worth it.

Damn, so infuriating to hear this story. I'm also a blue belt, and I always avoid rolling with people who do things like this for this exact reason. In one way or another, it always gets someone injured. If people in your gym reacted like this, shame on them, and if you come back, do find another gym. I train in Brazil in a very competitive gym, if something like that happens almost everyone stops and comes to check what happened and help out, even if it is just talking to you in order to get you distracted from the pain. Sorry to hear this happened to you, hope you recover well

So sorry for your injury. 50 years of martial arts has brought a great many positive things in life. The not so positive, two knee replacements, and a whole list of surgeries. I wish you a quick recovery. Thank you for the video.

Hello Rokas, you probably dont remember me since I changed my username, but im the guy in the wheelchair you promised to spar when i get out of this chair. Anyways, im so sorry to hear about your injury, thats absolute a scumbag move from your partner. As you know, I live with a spinal cord injury, and it took me years to come to see the positive side of it. Stay positive Rokas, you'll be in my prayers 🙏😢😊

Over a year and a half ago i suffered the worst injury of my life. Was going 20-30 percent with a purple belt allowing him to work. We got done with the round and he asked me for another immediately after and i obliged. 30 secs into the roll he had a single under and jumped through with a knee slice with my hips in the air and one leg trapped. I couldnt rotate and he tore my groin. The groin tear was so bad that it shattered my core. For the first time in my life, i was 42 at the time, i required surgery. The groin healed within 2 months but i was unable to walk for several months and i was severely limited as my core was completely destroyed. It took me a yr and a half to get back to where i was. I went into a deep depression not knowing if i would ever train again. Really hard times. My heart goes out to you. I hope you make the decision to get back on the mats and continue training. Much love and peace in your journey.

I wish you a speedy recovery and more patience than you have practiced. You're a very kind soul bro and keep your chin up. Thank you for sharing

Honestly this kind of thing keeps me away from BJJ. As a middle age father/husband, I don’t want to risk crossing paths with some overly competitive psychopath and ending up with some lifelong injury that prevents me from taking care of my responsibilities to my dependents. I’m sure most gyms are not like this and there is probably a great sense of community, etc… but I can just as easily stay in shape by exercising in a gym or riding a bicycle. Sure there are risks with any activity, but at least I can mitigate them by not doing something stupid, I’m in control and not in the hands of some asshole who may be having a bad day looking to take it out on a stranger

I understand the type of predator you were dealing with-they need to be closely monitored and kept on a very short leash. Unfortunately, many men my age (59) are suffering from injuries sustained during sparring. I, myself, have experienced a ruptured Achilles tendon and a dislocated shoulder during my martial arts journey. However, I have never been in an environment where a student's injury and pain were ignored-this is unacceptable. While we all understand that injuries can happen, there should always be courtesy and concern from those running the business. I wish you a swift recovery. Godspeed.

Yeah, i dropped out of BJJ after i tore my ACL. And i really loved BJJ. The process of not being able to work out forever, after i worked so hard to get fit really hit me in the balls. I got super depressed. Now 5 years later, after surgery and a lot of gym, my knee is back. BUT, i just feel it isnt worth anymore. Trainig for a fight that never comes with sweaty dudes with such a high risk of injury. I will stick to the Gym and to climbing now, there is just no reason to do bjj anymore. My health and generell fitness are worth so much more. I hope you will get well soon!

Speedy recovery, Rokas! Thank you for sharing this experience.

I'm sorry to hear this happened to you! The months ahead will be challenging, but I wish you a full recovery and return to martial arts when your leg is ready. Thank you for the channel, and for sharing this horrible situation with us.

Holy shit, I'm so sad to hear that, we gotta be pick with our training partners, one mistake and it's all over, hope you get better Rokas take care my man

I was paralysed from my neck to the front of my scalp in boxing training, during a drill where we were supposed to only do body shots. This pro boxer gave me a surprise uppercut and hook and laughed. The person was never kicked out of the gym. I feel like martial arts gyms are places where borderline psychopaths have a way too easy time injuring others on purpose and getting away with it. Seriously.

All the best with your recovery, horrible story but thank you so much for sharing. Its a lesson for everyone and hopefully a lot of good will come of it safety wise. Take care and stay strong bro!

Holy cow! Of all things to happen. Glad to see/hear you remaining positive about it, but...wow. Hoping you heal fast.

Sue him. Also, name and shame the club so that others can avoid it.

Hello Rokas, even though I wasn't one of your fans and regularly made rather critical comments for a while, I am sincerely sorry about what happened to you. I hope that the accident was just a bad shock and that there will be no serious restrictions in the future and that aging will also happen without any obstacles. Get well soon and get fit again soon!

Oh man, so sad to hear that!! I wish you very fast recovery and getting back to train again :)

Will you sue him?

They definitely need to educate the risks of using such dangerous techniques

Your channel is a big channel so it's important that you communicate about it.

Hello my friend, I suffered exactly the same bone fracture caused by jumping in guard from my training partner. I never experienced a pain like that, first at the moment of the injury but also in the days after the surgical operation. The fact that in Italy doctors don't prescribe strong painkillers like opiate analgesics didn't help me to handle it. Best wishes!

So, sorry to hear this. Speedy recovery, love your content 🙏

Torn my ACL at a HEMA- tournament. Fully torn off. Wrestling was allowed and my opponent shot for a tackle immediately after sword contact. I wasn't expecting it and my heavier opponent was rushing in, so we were tumbling over each other with my knee getting bent in the wrong direction. I am competing again but my advice for you, from what I learned out of my experience, is to take it slowly, but start with light physiotherapy as early as possible. I trained up for a full year before I started to compete again.

Not blaming Rokas but this is exactly why I don't do BJJ. All it takes is one guy who goes too hard to destroy you for life.

My condolences man, one of the biggest obstacles for someone’s passion in martial arts is losing one of your most important tools for the art . I wish you a speedy recovery and hopefully in time there’s something that could be done to allow you to continue pursuing your passion. My partial knee tear has completely changed my kicking abilities and ability to load my leg for martial arts positions , and then what really did me in was being slammed by a judoka on my hip. I submitted him, but it wasn’t worth the W because he damaged my hip for life basically . I don’t even have an official diagnosis but ever since he slammed me on my him, my right leg has never been the same . I slowly learned to adapt and it’s a journey to say the least . The most important thing is don’t give up on yourself and adapt.

I'm sorry for you and feel for you bro Please keep us updated, I think your recovery story can be very inspiring, with your teacher's spirit we can find the silver lining from this and grow and learn Wishing you a speedy recovery

Wish you best recovery! I am one year BJJ free... got injured during a takedown by an 'intense' guy. With heavy heart and feeling like a dissapointment I've slowly quit and now I run and lift weights. At first I've felt like a pussy and a failure, but now I don't regret it. Have a difficult job I cannot jeopardize and children I need to feed. Hope you will come back strong and find safer hobby for life.

1:02 Competitive brown-belt judoka here. If there’s one tip I can share with my BJJ mat friends is: know when to take the throw. When in stand-up, if you’re in a compromised/bad position, and your opponent is going to throw you - don’t resist it, and instead take the throw, and land safely. It’s not worth it, unless you’re in the final at Nationals, or similar. There will be more opportunities to practice stand-up, but not if you end up injured. But someone throwing kani-basami is a dick move - why would he do that? 😮 It’s illegal in multiple martial arts for a good reason!

If you ever hear someone "joke" about "oh yeah, person X is just too aggressive haha, I dont like rolling with him" or anything around those lines, NEVER ROLL WITH THAT PERSON. Your health will thank you

Wow, that sucks Rokas. Especially that almost no one did anything! Crazy! I hope your leg recovers better than expected with time, and I wouldn't blame you for thinking differently about martial arts going into the future.

I blew out my ACL and MCL 20 yrs ago on the mat. The rehab from surgery is long, but you can come back same as before if you want. Honestly the hurdles to recovery are like 90% mental and 10% physical. You've now learned the important lesson that it's OK to avoid stupid gym wars in training. Like GSP said: "I've seen so many fighters destroy their careers in the gym." When I came back after rehab, I became super aware of body positioning and posture doing takedowns. I learned to attack and defend with soft knees and to make sure my hips were always in the right place. This made me so much better and I became a legit takedown artist. Injury isn't fun but you will use it as a learning opportunity to get better. The whole point of martial arts is to develop a warrior spirit. Your recovery is part of that training.

The fact that no one came over to check on you is crazy. I’m so sorry this happened. It’s possible to come back from even really bad Injuries. You can do this man!

Rokas,, thank you for sharing your ordeal. Wishing you a very speedy rehab and recovery.

Your heart and attitude is genuinely inspiring. The fact you were training with long covid is no joke. This is a beautiful time to not only recover bone and tissue, but also your whole system including nerve, immune etc. use this time to heal. You’ve obviously pushed your body for a long time and this may be life’s gift. I think it’s called furious grace ❤️ Keep that chin up my friend. You are a warrior and truly inspiring 🙏🧎🏻‍♂️

I broke my foot this winter (muay thai). The mental aspect is definitely the hardest but once I got over it I started to see it as a challenge to train my stoicism and I'm back doing MMA again. Get better soon!

I had a pretty bad hip and hamstring injury. Couldnt move or walk for a while. Was told by docs that i likely would never be able to do my work again. But I was walking ( slowly) after 6 weeks and back working (part time ) again within 3 months, full time by 6 months. And 3 years later, although it hurts a bit sometimes, like at night especially, im still working ( physical job ) and have just started cycling 20 to 50km on the regular. I might never be 100% but i'm getting to 90%. Dont give up.

Hoping for a smooth recovery and a safe return to the mat when you're ready! All the best to you and your fam while you're healing!

Wishing u a speedy recovery Rokas... ur handling it like a champ

I do Judo, and tore my ACL last year. The one thing I always appreciate is that all my coaches and teachers emphasize doing things smoothly and as safe as possible to prevent injury, especially after 3 or 4 of us had a string of major surgeries on our legs and knees. Trust me when i say you can "give up" martial arts, but you will have the itch to get back into them. Don't lose hope and remember that this is just a very low moment in your journey. Good luck and speedy recovery!

I know many people here are encouraging you to recover to then continue practicing JJ. Be careful, my friend. An injury like yours, specially when we are not that young anymore, should be taken seriously. Especially in a martial art where bone and joint injuries are relatively frequent. Not being you a professional JJ fighter maybe it is not worthy the risk to suffer another injury like that one, but to make sure to continue living a long healthy (arthritis free) life. All my best wishes. Hope you recover soon and make the best decision for your health and future quality of life.

I'm really sorry for your injurie and wish you have a great recovery. Sometimes the fate of us is hard. But you are a warrior, a martial artist, and we not only call ourselves that only for what we do in the dojo or in the ring, but in the big dojo of the life. God bless you, fast recovery, brother!.

Bro I am having Long Covid for almost 2 Years now. Get well soon and God willing your Legs will recover. Try BPC 157 and TB500. Btw, Sounds like an insanely Bad School.

I know one of the biggest criticisms of traditional training is that it takes too long to get to more live sparring stuff but... if you're not looking to compete there's no reason to rush. I remember when I was doing judo years ago they spent probably 50% of the class on conditioning and fall work vs. 50% randori/throws. And don't get me wrong, we did a LOT of rolling, it's just that they wanted us beginners to focus on safer techniques before giving us more risky moves that require more control.

That sucks bad. I wish you a smooth recovery - a cousin of mine had a similar injury, it took him a year until he could walk reasonably well again. My BJJ gym has a policy regarding footlocks: if you injure someone, you stop training as long as it takes the other guy to recover from his injury. So if you end his career, you're out for good. Sounds like more gyms should adopt that rule.

Bro, you didn't deserve this. Bummer. Hoping for a positive recovery.

I'm sorry you had to go through that, man. Your story is still inspiring and I'm sure you'll find a way to continue learning and growing. My advice, take up Go! (the strategy board game). Best wishes and godspeed ~

Man, I am SO SORRY to hear this mate! I send you all my best wishes and big luck from England! I truly hope that you recover as quickly as possible and that lasting damage is avoided. Good luck!

Really terrible to hear about your knee. We have sadly similar arcs through martial arts. I'm a ex-Aikido sandan who transitioned to BJJ. I was forced to retire just before getting my black belt after eight surgeries due to meniscus and hip damage. I'm left with daily movement restrictions (can't squat, run, or jump) and a similar increase in arthritis risk. I still feel the pain of having to give up training, but I assure you that there's a full life available off the mats no matter how much of your life was devoted to martial arts up to now. Keep your head up and good luck with the rehab.

Really sorry to hear you have to deal with such disaster. It's most painful when something like that happens to you as a result of chasing your own passions. All the best recovery and health.

Heal well, Rokas!🙏

Omg dude. I used to do this move in sparring and just on friends back in the day (but the version where my lower leg goes behind both of their legs). I had learned it from youtube and had no clue that it could cause injuries. I'm glad I never accidentally hurt anyone with it. They should really teach this more responsibly, if at all.

Man Kami basami has been forbidden in Judo for more than 40 years now . I hope that you get well Hope for the best recovery for you . I think we all know what martial arts mean to you feel well soon.

I’m so sorry you got hurt my guy, you’re somebody who has my deepest respect for everything you’ve been through and done with your life

Wow! I'm so sorry this happened to you! I have been following you since your Aikido days. You are an inspiration.

I am so, so sorry to hear this! At the same time, I am in awe with your mental fortitude and attitude in general. They way you handled everything is very impressive. You seem to have such a strong focus on making the life of others not more difficult, even if you are in a very difficult situation yourself. Whatever comes, I have strong confidence that you will find a way for yourself and be happy - be it training in martial arts, or coaching, or full on content creating, you will find your way. All the courage to you, you are an awesome person!

No more takedowns and standing in BJJ. Just start from sitting/knees from now on. I'm 41 and do BJJ. I used to do Judo and wrestling so I know how devastating takedowns can be. So, at 41, I pretty much avoid all stand-up.

sorry to hear that, may you have a speedy and healthy recovery 🙏

Sorry to hear that. I've been recovering from knee surgery for the last year and a half myself, but not as bad of an injury. I pray you heal fast and strong.

I'm sorry to hear that man, I'm a year and a half and recovery for a broken tibia and fibula. It feels like you're never gonna be healed. But you're going to get better slowly way too slowly.

I love BJJ but at 50 plus years old, I can’t chance it now. I have to keep up with my ten year old son. I’ve been doing martial arts since 1982. I have enough injuries. This video is intense. I wish this man the best in life. I hope something can be done.

Boxing and Aikido is a great mix.

Very sorry to hear about the injury. Knowing your content and it being a huge inspiration, I am sure your spirit is strong, though. Keep it that way as best as you can. The people closest to you will help. Get well soon, man! All the best!