Jiu Jitsu vs Wrestling - Understanding Turtle Position by Gordon Ryan

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Jiu Jitsu vs Wrestling - Understanding Turtle Position by Gordon Ryan
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@ArminEghdamiDrums 4 жыл бұрын

If one day I meet bernardo it will be a huuuuuuge honar foa me!

@babb4214 4 жыл бұрын

foa buff you guys

@nasgaf 4 жыл бұрын

So sayeth the Brazilian kermit

@kenwu7 4 жыл бұрын

There's literally a video out on it now why he says it 🤭🤭😂

@matthewcain2880 Жыл бұрын

Honor, for **

@timothyelhajj8404 4 жыл бұрын

I pulled over in a parking lot to watch this! I understand everything that was said by both. Gordon’s a technician and Bernardo’s a conduit for all this knowledge to us mortal’s, pay some respect to both these guys!

@southpoundham Жыл бұрын

This is true I was in the same parking lot with you three years ago.

@Exploremorefishing 4 жыл бұрын

I'm glad to see Bernardos shoulder roll is just as good as mine 👍🏻😆

@harrykimura 3 жыл бұрын

😂

@williambolton3440 3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same...lol

@jonathanwilliams1746 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah wrong shoulder

@djamilchan892 3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful jiujitsu

@MinhaFamiliaAQBJJ 4 жыл бұрын

Wow. The scissoring part is a badass breakdown

@Goval400 4 жыл бұрын

I didn’t understand anything bernardo said but i liked this video

@MrRitmu 4 жыл бұрын

I did understand everything Bernardo said and i liked this video.

@richardpanini971 4 жыл бұрын

Geo he just speaks in run on sentences

@kenwu7 4 жыл бұрын

i feel like Danaher would have brought in an actual hook and described in elaborate and illustrative detail the mechanics of how boats and ships are tied down using an anchor or hook and from that pulling and controlling mechanism we would learn to insert our hooks with pin point accuracy and effectiveness and gain almost devastating control over our opponent. ...I would have enjoyed that. 😞

@carguy3460 4 жыл бұрын

Haha, that's exactly what didn't happen. This was more like Steve Carell reading a cereal box.

@SadaParkour 4 жыл бұрын

I knew profesor X and John Danaher were friends !

@unclewangg 4 жыл бұрын

Gordon is gonna be just as good a professor as John when he decides to open a school...didn’t stutter at all in his instruction

@MrMoose233 4 жыл бұрын

the question and answer from 9:20 about how to attack turtle against a bigger opponent was really useful. Thanks!

@golddee2040 Жыл бұрын

Gordon says to roll over his near shoulder. Bernardo rolled over his far shoulder hahahahahaha. A huge honor for me.

@brandonmcninja 4 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to some more potential instructionals from Gordon, great job.

@weisey100 2 жыл бұрын

Gordon gives you so much information and detail at once, it's hard to follow sometimes but also very valuable. Just need to watch it multiple times.

@wyattsullivan2714 4 жыл бұрын

It would be great to see more bjj vs wrestling content like this. I just started bjj from a wrestling background and have been looking for exactly this type of content

@justinpodur 4 жыл бұрын

This is such a systematic way of thinking through problems. Organizing what could be an absolutely overwhelming amount of knowledge.

@summitbraziliangraciejiuji6487 4 жыл бұрын

Great info. Look forward to watching the full instructional.

@amiralkook1 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Bernardo and Gordon. Thanks for this video. 2 great champs. Gordon talks very academic and Cartesian just like J Danaher.

@harderheart 4 жыл бұрын

Bernardo is a beast himself and a world class champion but he still genuinely listens to what Gordon says... Ture Champion and a great athlete 👌

@Allanrpsx 4 жыл бұрын

I wanna see him work that on Telles' turtle. 🐢 👑

@patphilloccap 4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant breakdown! 👏👏👏

@anoktokbatosai8113 3 жыл бұрын

😆 I think he meant the other “near” shoulder Bernardo. Gordon was just like “good” 🤔

@maimonshlomyify 3 жыл бұрын

great fighter & great instructor gordon understand what he is doing

@tapskill3 Жыл бұрын

Gordon’s teaching on the turtle BJJ Vs Wrestling goals are spot on. He’s successful in an excellent bled or Wrest- jujitsu. This new wave jujitsu.

@FernandaTorresss Жыл бұрын

Jiu not ju

@theohuioiesin6519 3 жыл бұрын

I love Bernardo and the videos he makes!

@mohamedmaamar7012 3 жыл бұрын

thanks for this videos keep coming

@aplus1080 4 жыл бұрын

Bernardo: greaaaaaaat question at end! Big dudes in turtle are soo difficult to deal with.

@wahidemran833 4 жыл бұрын

Man everyone one of your videos is a good subject.

@andrewtregoning 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely brilliant

@vanyaz4445 4 жыл бұрын

Waiting to buy it!!!

@betovargas9671 4 жыл бұрын

3:20 wrong shoulder Bernardo 😅

@Nweran 4 жыл бұрын

go give Bernardo Faria BJJ classes .... seems like you are a more decorated grappler?

@betovargas9671 4 жыл бұрын

Nweran Jaber yes, thanks for the compliment. First lesson will be which shoulder to roll on when facing your opponent from turtle lol

@betovargas9671 4 жыл бұрын

Nweran Jaber by the way I was in no means making fun of him, we all make mistakes, idiot

@albrucetouaev 4 жыл бұрын

excellent break down

@stevenblood8257 2 жыл бұрын

the switch is a great move to throw from turtle best not to finish behind but go halfway try to catch the leg and hoog the leg as he try's to jump over

@MozartificeR 4 жыл бұрын

The positions are like logic gates...

@pugnatumterram7452 4 жыл бұрын

Near shoulder B. Not the far shoulder 🤣

@rahulRRR19 4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

@fightfiles 4 жыл бұрын

Was gonna say that, but figured it was already pointed out in the comments.

@Wrath0fKhan 4 жыл бұрын

Like so! Gordon _suspiciously_ sounds like JohnD. Fascinating!

@peteypablo09 4 жыл бұрын

I agree m'kay

@oraclebjj Жыл бұрын

I need a flow chart to follow Gordon. Maybe a power point presentation too.

@dominathor 4 жыл бұрын

Gordon sounds exactly like the no.1 nerd in the class who is always first to shout out the answer and repeat exactly what the teacher taught. :)

@TheeFitnessEnthusiast 4 жыл бұрын

Is the open guard dvd even coming out? I though he finished filming it over a month ago.

@eugenem.7294 4 жыл бұрын

seems a little behind on turtle theory after Priit, but looking forward

@gordonryan3494 4 жыл бұрын

🤦🏻‍♂️

@eugenem.7294 4 жыл бұрын

@@gordonryan3494 what can i say, it's a totally different turtle not shown on this video )), a lot of people attest that it changes their game

@gordonryan3494 4 жыл бұрын

@@eugenem.7294 yea... well mine actually works on the absolute best guys in the world on a consistent basis. the key to my turtle success isnt some random guy saying its helped him out. its me using it all the time on literally the best guys in the world. what world is this

@hassellbeard8420 3 жыл бұрын

Great video

@ars_gravitatis5858 4 жыл бұрын

Ok, just a blue belt commenting here, but it seems a bit odd to me that the THIRD alternative is not addressed, i.e. the wide knee-base turtle with elbows on the inside. That is the strongest turtle position obviously since it combines the strong features of both the positions discussed here. Why is this not an option here?

@true4040 4 жыл бұрын

You can clearly see that his John Dahner student. Even the way he talks and explains the concepts are just like coach Dahner.

@dyonesios 4 жыл бұрын

Was just thinking that. If he can just mature a little on social media, he's may just be the GOAT

@paolobighignoli3128 4 жыл бұрын

dyonesios sorry but why social media has to do with his ability in JJ? He could be the biggest douchebag on instagram but who cares? It has nothing to do with his BJJ skill. Its like judging a car speed by its color.

@moriguilbeau8573 4 жыл бұрын

*Danaher

@jarodmcdonald2041 3 жыл бұрын

Paolo Bighignoli that’s just another fool who thinks he knows best

@BJJLegLocker 3 жыл бұрын

@@paolobighignoli3128 has nothing to do with his skills, but as a future professor, he must behave properly asap.

@hamesos7343 3 жыл бұрын

Whoever wants to see some of these turtle moves done by Gordon in a real right and to a bigger guy (yet not in the same level as Gordon) watch Gordon Ryan vs Evangelos Moumtzis

@SuperBilroi Жыл бұрын

What, you can you pull them over? But it's so obvious. Last time I rolled I didn't have anyone in turtle to try this but I did try and bait someone into doing it but, much like me, they were just focused on getting hooks in rather than just yanking me over. Madness.

@adamvarley238 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant

@artsf6161 3 жыл бұрын

Bernardo just said “huge honor” and not “huge honor for me” ... something is wrong

@deetop623 4 жыл бұрын

Love this guy, I have no idea what his saying, but I like the videos! 😁😁😁👏👏👏👏👌

@vw5233 2 жыл бұрын

6:19 great technique to insert hook

@kameronoleary9262 3 жыл бұрын

Gaethje did the wrestling response vs khabib and got his back taken very easily

@ChivesReaper 3 жыл бұрын

i always thought the only answer to big turtle is to oil check. finally found a way to keep my finger clean.

@SundarBJJ 2 жыл бұрын

(1) "If he shoulder rolls over near shoulder for example..." (2)

@kaiceecrane3884 4 жыл бұрын

Just from a wrestling point of view that isn't how we would turtle. While we are looking to stand up while in bottom position, that isn't how we would go about it and our body is kore protected than that. You can still hit an explosive stand up while fighting that hands, which is what we do, to address a person trying to choke. The arm draping over the shoulder also works nicely to chain into different escapes. Without a leg ride the arm over the shoulder looking for a choke isn't going to stop an escape. Looking to break someone down first and get your hooks in would be a better option to get to a rnc rather. To break someone down, though, is a skill more developed in wrestling which one would need to develop further to aid in maintaining the back

@gordonryan3494 4 жыл бұрын

i train this situation with Olympians and always take their backs..

@The2fasty 4 жыл бұрын

3:19 This made me laugh :D

@Nweran 4 жыл бұрын

ya this comedy you see infront of you is a multiple time world champ in several different competitions. not that funny to me to be honest

@duanewilliams540 4 жыл бұрын

Nweran Jaber shut up dummy

@soyboy6 Жыл бұрын

@@Nweran watch out guys we got a tough guy😎

@alyssondasilva4484 11 ай бұрын

@@NweranThat makes It even funnier tô be honest

@brandonovich6063 4 жыл бұрын

No dislikes, the way it should be 😏

@eyadramadan7089 4 жыл бұрын

lmao love the video but work on them shoulder rolls Bernardo

@Djent7779 4 жыл бұрын

Can you do a video on ways to trick an opponent into turtle position. I find my self in that position alot but i never see it comming

@gordonryan3494 4 жыл бұрын

it usually happens off a guard pass when points are involved

@Djent7779 4 жыл бұрын

sure, or if you side attack like a dogfight

@fernandotardioli9263 4 жыл бұрын

Oss show de vídeo

@Jorge-wg9tq 4 жыл бұрын

Pre-lockdown Gordon was Yoked😂

@matthewthehawk1066 4 жыл бұрын

Gwarden Ryan

@flanker909 4 жыл бұрын

Gordon's tongue is also black belt.

@teflonmusk11B 3 жыл бұрын

Brazilian Kermit lmao 🤣 awesome

@golddee2040 Жыл бұрын

Ahh. I know see Gordon's game. He gets you in a position where he can predict exactly what you are going to do. The chess part of jitz that most don't employ all that often. At least blue and under hahaha.

@maxb5957 3 жыл бұрын

Max was here

@jakarimfight9167 4 жыл бұрын

😍

@ransakreject5221 2 ай бұрын

We know Jiujitsu and wrestling are different Gordon. You can skip that part. We just don’t wanna suck at them so much

@amidabuddha7108 4 жыл бұрын

This is very well done, thought out, and true. However, I'm still waiting for him to prove that grappling is better than striking.

@PauloBerni699 4 жыл бұрын

Amida Buddha Is something stopping you from doing both?

@amidabuddha7108 4 жыл бұрын

@@PauloBerni699 huh?

@artvandelay2591 2 жыл бұрын

Grappling is better than striking. 💯

@hassan6893 2 жыл бұрын

MMA

@richardbartlett88 4 жыл бұрын

Oss

@apekillssnake 4 жыл бұрын

Why do you seat belt as oppose to go to the headlock!, or waist and head. Is it because it encourages the roll?

@brendon2462 4 жыл бұрын

apekillssnake It might encourage them to roll. But the seat belt grip is a very good form of upper body control. If your partner rolls over their shoulder does a somersault. The seatbelt allows you to hang on jump over cover and follow them. Get underneath before their back touches the floor. Then you can get your hooks in and establish back control. If they take you down by grabbing the leg closest to their head. You can use a tight seat belt to pull them on top of you. Then get both hooks in and look for the rear choke. If they just stay there you can simply knock them over and get hooks in. Or trap their arm and look for the rear choke . So it does two things allows you to hang on follow or pull them. And it puts your arm that's over the shoulder. Always in a position for the rear choke. Go check out Marcello that's were i learned this stuff.

@HarleyGPFYL 4 жыл бұрын

Seat belt is harder to get out of and you can control more and threaten more submissions from the position

@pkbailz 4 жыл бұрын

Wholly shit he knows his stuff 0.0

@stevenblood8257 2 жыл бұрын

hook

@stevenblood8257 2 жыл бұрын

ýou got to go and not let him lock hands or you both have lever

@LOLLYPOPPE 2 жыл бұрын

1:52wrong head

@alfredodelacruz6380 2 жыл бұрын

Am I trippen or does he sound like Ben Shapiro lmao

@martinmyggestik292 4 жыл бұрын

Nice video as always. But that is not what a closed turtle looks like. Don't take my word for it. Ask Priit Mihkelson.

@peekaboojujitsoo525 4 жыл бұрын

Speak on my fellow Priit disciple

@putpixel4804 4 жыл бұрын

Priit "closed" turtle is susceptible to offbalancing because it is narrow and yes opening the knees to wide the base may lead to hook insertion plus it is passive. If you wanna stay for 10 min and loose by advantage or ref decision then yeah it is good turtle. For example judo guys like to lay face down and pull their gi over their head😂

@peekaboojujitsoo525 4 жыл бұрын

@@putpixel4804 judging by your comment you havent fully researched Priit's work. He doesnt recommend staying in turtle and the way he turtles its very very hard to get hooks in and/or off-balance. And besides his defensive turtle he does something he calls active turtle which i have not seen anybody else do or teach.

@putpixel4804 4 жыл бұрын

@@peekaboojujitsoo525 Naah i dont wanna write a long answer poem. Point is "priit stuff" is legit if you want to see where it came from check saulo ribeiro 2nd revolution dvd number 5 (i believe) called running escape, eduardo telles old dvd set turtle & octopus guard (at groundfighter.com) marco barbosa master of jiu jitsu (but only available at japanese & portugese language). No thanks are necessary ☺

@gordonryan3494 4 жыл бұрын

no. thats definitely closed turtle. dont take my word for it. just watch me wreck all the worlds best guys in competition

@wesdowty79 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Bernardo

@alexelseymma5716 4 жыл бұрын

Is Gordon actually retired now or is it some kind of elaborate joke?

@kybalion848 4 жыл бұрын

He retired for a month then he came back to bless us mortals with jiujitsu wisdom.

@conor-_C 4 жыл бұрын

Yes he has few competions he has to do then he is done

@deekay7594 4 жыл бұрын

I think he's just pulling a Floyd.. get ppl to miss him lol

@conor-_C 4 жыл бұрын

@@deekay7594 don't think anyone missed floyd

@deekay7594 4 жыл бұрын

@@conor-_C lol.. some ppl actually do.. there are Floyd fans just like gsp fans out there

@leelastname7628 4 жыл бұрын

so where does mma fit in with all of this

@mac212 4 жыл бұрын

what do you mean lol, you would just be punching someone from the top position and going for a finish.

@conor-_C 4 жыл бұрын

Why does it need to

@shouldershift 3 жыл бұрын

Is Gordon related to Ben Shapiro because they sound exactly the same

@rollinOnCode 3 жыл бұрын

.... the turtle being shown- so called "open and closed" are extremely wrong. you have no balance and you give up underhook way too easily and you are vulnerable to pretty much every attack. i absolutely hate seeing such bad turtles in bjj. telles or even priit mihkelson have excellent explanation of turtle and how to play it especially for beginners and such

@gordonryan3494 3 жыл бұрын

🤦‍♂️ I do this on the absolute best guys in the world… it’s literally documented

@robertgoldman8246 4 жыл бұрын

"Unathletic" got so annoying I've had to pause for a minute or two. Very vital subject matter so thanks for sharing these efforts. Unathletic, dang, you sound like a supremacist

@alyssondasilva4484 11 ай бұрын

wtf are you on about