JJ Watt Starts A War Against Pro Football Focus & Their Ranking Of Players

JJ Watt Starts A War Against Pro Football Focus & Their Ranking Of Players | Pat McAfee Reacts

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@tommyjames2448 4 ай бұрын

The best reporter in NFL history John Clayton, despised PFF. He pointed out the flaws in their system about 7-8 years ago, and I'm glad to see JJ back that up.

@hawneyman 4 ай бұрын

John Clayton.........dawg

@thronewalker9079 4 ай бұрын

⁠@@hawneymanI still have his last podcasts smh love the guy

@csmith609 4 ай бұрын

Rest in peace

@joshlopez1793 4 ай бұрын

Rip John clayton

@tdawgmcgraw5530 4 ай бұрын

MOM!! IM DONE WITH MY SEGMENT!!!

@edw1n2 4 ай бұрын

The resentment players have towards PFF makes more sense when you learn that PFF grades and statistics are often cited in contract negotiations

@byronsmith3152 4 ай бұрын

yeah that is NUTS. They are basically using their opinions to create stats in a lot of cases.

@vitigaymer1053 4 ай бұрын

Will Compton and Taylor Lewan interview with PFF is epitome of this

@edw1n2 4 ай бұрын

@@vitigaymer1053 haven't seen it but I'm going to check it out

@tmoney8785 4 ай бұрын

Yeah so Are pro bowls and we all know that's a joke

@segueoyuri 4 ай бұрын

to be fair, they just pull PFF stats because PFF exist. These negotiations are like lawyer cases, you take evidence from your ass if needed be and fabricate whatever stuff you need. Do they need to make sense? No. They just need to exist so you can support your claim to give this player you're not really sure about 1 year - 15M instead of the 3 year - 60M he's asking. And on the flip side, I bet you whatever you want players/agents have also pulled whatever shady stat line they can even from PFF to support their claim for a better contract. The thing is, players are mostly always egotistical and think they play and worth way more than they actually do. They have people pampering them all day long and telling them how amazing they are, including their agents. And FO personnel see players as tools/objects and need to put a value on them like they were a piece of equipment. How long will this machine deliver the result I expect before it breaks out? Imagine if you were to pay a guy like Deion Sanders what he thinks he's worth. There must be some middle ground. Who will do this work? If 2 players post the exact same stat line, how do you say one was better? And if you're sitting there watching film just because and end up making a service out of it... Does your time not have value? Your work is being pulled in contract meetings and you shouldn't earn a single penny from it?

@lunchbox3124 4 ай бұрын

He’s absolutely right. PFF is all subjective and they often don’t even know the assignments of the players. I loved what he said about pass rush win rate. What’s it matter if you’re “winning” pass rushes if it doesn’t result in anything other than a PFF stat?

@caterpietv6723 4 ай бұрын

winning a pass rush forces the ball out of the qbs hand. Just because Watt gets a cleanup sack on a backup qb doesnt mean he is impacting the game

@Drew_d55 4 ай бұрын

@@caterpietv6723he’s led the league in sacks 3 years, tied the record when he only played 15 games. He also gets held every play. How’s he getting them on “backups” That’s the dumbest narrative I’ve ever heard.

@wolfwang8464 4 ай бұрын

@@caterpietv6723sacks impact the game every single time even a clean up sack on a back up lol wtf

@shanereid9324 4 ай бұрын

@@wolfwang8464let him be, PFF gives Cleveland fans something to cheer for.

@Mubiki 4 ай бұрын

Some people are giving him crap but Joe Burrow essentially said the same thing. He pointed how overrated sacks are because many times a sack has zero effect on that actual outcome. He talked about a game in college where he was sacked 7 times, and he scored a touchdown on every possession in which there was a sack, so it had zero impact on the game. He pointed out that guys who generate consistent pressure are the worst to play against, even if they never touch him one time. He noted in that same game that a 100% touchdown was prevented by a quick pass rush up the middle. The player never touched him, but the time it took for him to get out of the pocket allowed the corner to recover and turned a 100% wide open touchdown into a 50/50 ball and they didn't convert. Not saying PFF is correct, but they are at least attempting to look at metrics beyond what shows up in the actual NFL stat totals. I do agree that sometimes you can't judge correctly without knowing the assignments though.

@Kverkele 4 ай бұрын

When player X completed 30 of 39 passes for 360 yards and five touchdowns. He was placed 8th in PFF rankings with 71.5 grading. 1st place in that week got 91.5 grading and had 2 INTs.

@ericcarpenter2550 4 ай бұрын

thats absolutely wild but why were the 2 players. you've got me curious

@TheShepdawg9 4 ай бұрын

You're obviously too stupid to understand the grading then. It doesn't go off box stats, it's goes off how you play within the frame of what you can control. If player x had great stats but didn't need to do anything other than throw screen passes, he gets an ok grade. If someone has an elite game but 2 passes are intercepted due to tips or dropped passed, you can still score highly.

@Mubiki 4 ай бұрын

Yeah, it probably made sense too. I saw a similar thing on PFF once, but then I spent 15 seconds actually thinking about it and it made sense. In my case, one QB had a bunch of yards and some TDs, but like 70% of the yards were YAC. He threw a bunch of short, easy throws that resulted in big plays because of his receivers. The second QB made a lot of great throws, but 80% of the yardage was air yardage as opposed to YAC. He also had two interceptions, but both of them hit his guy right in the hands and they flubbed the catch which resulted in a pop-up that was intercepted. He also led a game winning drive that ended in a run play TD. His final stat line was like 300ish yards, 0 TDs and 2 ints, but he played way better than QB 1. Very likely a similar case in your example. The irony is that PFF is actually trying to look at it from his point of view, but for some reason he is really bothered by it. lol I do agree that judging lineman is nearly impossible without knowing the assignment.

@Bagged_Hemi 4 ай бұрын

@@Mubiki nailed it!

@chasingfelix3609 4 ай бұрын

@@Mubikiis a made jumpshot better than a dunk? No. It’s exactly the same. PFF factoring in a difficult throw more favorably when a better throw was available is preposterous.

@f.austin 4 ай бұрын

Love that JJ stands up and speaks what he knows…

@Rowsy91 4 ай бұрын

JJ is the best weekly guest the show has Way to speak against these bogus ranking and made up stats that determine futures and contracts

@blickedxb 4 ай бұрын

Maybe year round, but their best reoccurring guest it Aaron Rodgers.

@biggerson51 4 ай бұрын

Nah, A ARON is

@Rowsy91 4 ай бұрын

@@blickedxb he’s solid I usually enjoy the watt interview more . Less annoying politics stuff (which I prob agree with Aaron on but I don’t care about it as much as I wanna hear football talk)

@freddiesimmons1394 4 ай бұрын

What's bogus about trying to actually account for a dropped int vs a dropped int that fell into a receiver's hands, etc?

@kman9884 4 ай бұрын

“Made up stats” lol. It’s just measuring what players do. NFL players don’t want to be quantified mathematically, they want to keep the old ways of “eye tests” so they can dupe people into believing they’re better than they actually are.

@79glane928 4 ай бұрын

If you hear some dude talking about PFF, you already know hes a colossal dork.

@user-gy1pu3gq3d 4 ай бұрын

PFF's mission is good. The problem is that they can't really know a player's assignment or what he is taught to do by his OC/DC. But how they ended up grading Stroud at that number is crazy.

@user-gy1pu3gq3d 4 ай бұрын

You can grade football players with an algorithm, but how do you quantify all of the nuances that go into grading a player? Teams do their own evals, so they have their own "algorithms." There is nothing wrong with wanting a system that removes your personal biases as much as possible. I like what PFF is trying to do, but obviously they have problems if Stroud's game is graded so low.

@russ2120 4 ай бұрын

@@user-gy1pu3gq3d They don't grade players with an algorithm. They grade every play. Stroud threw an interception that was dropped by the defense and one of this touchdowns was a -1 yard play that went 76 yards for a touchdown. They shouldn't give him a super high grade to match his stats because of those two plays.

@user-gy1pu3gq3d 4 ай бұрын

@@russ2120 What you described is an algorithm and what PFF describes on their website is an algorithm.

@russ2120 4 ай бұрын

@@user-gy1pu3gq3d No, an algorithm is a set of procedures for computation or problem solving. PFF does neither one. They also don't describe it on their website as an algorithm. They grade every player on every play. They literally watch more film than anyone else.

@kman9884 4 ай бұрын

@@user-gy1pu3gq3dWhy do you hate algorithms? Lol. It’s just math, dude. There are set variables, and gradings based on said variables. Yes, a -1 yard screen pass for 76 yards is worth less than a 22 yard out route with 20 air yards. That makes sense. QBs have been getting the benefit of RAC to inflate their numbers and garner massive contracts for decades, but now it’s a problem that PFF grades them “worse” due to recognizing that inflation?

@asacloutier7530 4 ай бұрын

PFF once graded my Raiders O-line as a top 5-6 unit in the whole NFL. Meanwhile Carr was sacked or pressured so relentlessly that season that I figured they just guessed at their rating and never once put on a single game with my Raiders all season.

@caterpietv6723 4 ай бұрын

because carr pats the ball continuously until he just throws the ball away or throws a check down

@sam_Invincible 4 ай бұрын

Sacks are a QB stat

@Parallax_21 4 ай бұрын

Its Carr's fault 😂

@axogablencet 4 ай бұрын

That's a great example. It demonstrates that you're still too reliant on box-score stats that don't present individual impact on a play. Specifically, it demonstrates the impact that a QB can have on play's outcome by taking to long to get the ball out.

@blueflameSM 4 ай бұрын

It's on NBC because Collinsworth is a co-owner of PFF, or he owns a majority stake in the business. PFF did not like TJ Watt, even though he led the league in basically every statistical category.

@lambrosia13 4 ай бұрын

correct - only on nbc b/c of the collinsworth connection

@carlschiller5646 4 ай бұрын

How tf did PFF "not like TJ Watt" he got a 91.9 grade on the year which is absolutely insane. That is an incredibly high score foh

@michag4337 4 ай бұрын

Grain of salt but collinsworth stated a fee times this year, and on this iirc, he's a completely silent partner and has nothing to do with business besides being an investor. Idk how true that is, but that's what he put out, at least this offseason.

@ScrambleD1298 4 ай бұрын

Collinsworrh is the cause of cancer

@ayalave75 3 ай бұрын

⁠⁠@@michag4337so Collinsworth wants it to be known he had no part in bringing PFF to NBC despite working there? It seems really hard not to draw the conclusion that he helped give PFF a push. No reason to believe there might be a conflict of interest there?

@MWM92688 4 ай бұрын

JJ Watt saying what anyone with a lick of sense thinks about PFF

@SuccimusPrime 4 ай бұрын

hes not lmao he spent 9mins waffling about how hes got no idea what hes talking about with how PFF actually grades and this entire segment could be summarized by "butthurt that my bro might not get DPOY and idk/idc why"

@oSpartyx11 4 ай бұрын

AJ at the end 😂

@tommygoodale9943 4 ай бұрын

AJ twists the knife like no other lol

@ihatetheantichrist9545 4 ай бұрын

Pff would have hated polamalu since he just improvised as he played

@NobleVagabond2552 4 ай бұрын

They would’ve hated Polamalu because he played for Pittsburgh.

@SuperKool500 4 ай бұрын

He had good PFF grades

@Droid6689 4 ай бұрын

Huh? Why would that mean they hated him?

@lukki1328 3 ай бұрын

1 ranked safety, with a 91.4 pff grade from his era... JJ is an ignorant dinosour. It was the same with money ball in baseball.

@v1LL2n 4 ай бұрын

PFF grades are as good as madden ratings. One thing in particular that enrages me is their coverage grades. For Example: Its 3rd and long. The CB plays soft to prevent a deep ball. WR catches the ball underneath but fails to make the first down. CB has done his job in preventing the first down, but PFF gives a negative grade because he had a catch on him.

@carlschiller5646 4 ай бұрын

Yeah no that's not how that works. That would be a positively graded play.

@carterdorow8999 4 ай бұрын

@@carlschiller5646 lol I've never seen such a lack of understanding of how PFF grades actually work than I have reading through these comments. It's hilarious to me how little people know about the company, yet they all have very strong opinions on it haha

@HeyJasson 4 ай бұрын

PFF also hates TJ Watt for some reason too, and it keeps getting more obvious each year. They absolutely praised Myles Garret this year but could not put actual stats behind their claims because TJ was beating him in almost every category. This is the first year where I’ve seen these “analysts” praise a defensive players “pass rush win rate”over his actual stats

@sowelly2808 4 ай бұрын

They didn’t even include TJ as an honorable mention for DPOY. Dude had 19 sacks

@raulboomin 4 ай бұрын

PFF stay meat ridin’ Garrett 👀😤

@Ironn1bbler 4 ай бұрын

They hate on TJ? He has a 91 grade or something. They might think Micah or Myles are better but I doubt there are even 5 guys ahead of him.

@sowelly2808 4 ай бұрын

@@Ironn1bbler they mentioned Dexter Lawrence for DPOY but not TJ

@TheShepdawg9 4 ай бұрын

They explain why myles has been better, and that's because he's done better with the things he can control. He's beaten the blocker more frequently than Tj, which is the main goal. He can't control how many sacks he has cause sometimes the qb gets rid of the ball too quick for a sack.

@NickOffermansMustache 4 ай бұрын

CJ Stroud getting a 77.8 against a top 5 defense for the EXACT SAME stat line as Jordan Love (92.5) is WILD.

@SuccimusPrime 4 ай бұрын

Tell everyone you didnt watch both games without telling everyone you didnt watch both games

@NickOffermansMustache 4 ай бұрын

@SuccimusPrime two of Love's TDs were the result of busted coverages. You clearly did not watch both games.

@kylethomas2993 4 ай бұрын

I mean that's the point of advanced stats, they're supposed to tell you what the common stats don't.

@1chourse 4 ай бұрын

You can’t quantify things that aren’t quantifiable. It’s a misuse of statistics…

@clarkdenman9120 4 ай бұрын

AJ's face at 4:55 when JJ says football (soccer)! Priceless.

@cowsaymoomoo 4 ай бұрын

Pat was asking for it during the World Cup proclaiming the soccer Lombardi is coming home lmao

@J4Washington 4 ай бұрын

JJ, Lewan, & the Kelces should just have a show debating the PFF guys on their grading. JJ, Lewan, & the Kelces could bring up grades they disagree with & PFF can explain it so everyone can see who's making an ass of themselves. PFF said they'd gladly have a debate/discussion with any player about they're grading.

@heavymetallabrat 4 ай бұрын

The look on pats face😂.... Oh no. Another war started on my show. 😂😂😂Hes dying lol.

@raulboomin 4 ай бұрын

😅😂💀

@unc54 4 ай бұрын

He doesn't care as long as it brings engagement. I remember he had a punter on the show using PFF scores to justify his performance.

@mwrgaming284 4 ай бұрын

my only question to PFF is what would they rate the C gap play?

@jbutsch2301 4 ай бұрын

The fact JJ is wearing a “Backyard sports” Pablo Sanchez shirt, reminds me of how good those games were when I was a kid lol. Now I gotta buy me one of them shirts, cause the nostalgia is real

@grab-a-skillet3585 4 ай бұрын

JJ wanted blood with that ESPN outro 👌 😅😅

@mattbryant8320 4 ай бұрын

That’s right. He sees how they’re bias against his brother so he’s got to say something.

@raulboomin 4 ай бұрын

As big bro should 🙏🏼

@TimLoyalToWifeHaterFreeZoneA 4 ай бұрын

Love It Pat ThePatMcafeeShow Bro Let's Gooooooooo.

@DrChristopherMueller 4 ай бұрын

A-Aron off for the break? JJ be like "you want some drama? here ya go!"

@don63 4 ай бұрын

Shots Fired !!!!!!

@ringwormsherm 4 ай бұрын

Ive watched players absolutely wreck games and PFF is like ehhh 68.5. Isnt one of their top guys, Steve, a former baseball player? What would he know about football

@Gaga4Parma 4 ай бұрын

Baseball was one of the first sports to fully embrace analytics, you'll be surprised how much data analysis transfers over from sport to sport.

@jkreezy 4 ай бұрын

Love a Pablo Sanchez reference from BosCon there lmao

@SpefyTv 4 ай бұрын

Chris Collinsworth literally made the most dumb , no bases stat company ever lol and ppl pay attention to it 😂

@raulboomin 4 ай бұрын

Now here’s a guy….. 😂😂💀

@flacko_jody2130 4 ай бұрын

As soon as yalls heroes says something yall fall in line lol.

@jacobwilson7030 4 ай бұрын

The fact that people use Myles Garrett “Pass Rush Win” percentage being higher than TJ Watt as some kind of mic drop for his DPOY when TJ has more real stats than him in every category is absolutely insane

@plandseer4527 4 ай бұрын

The way teams set up their run schemes and pass blocking makes clear to everyone that Garrett is better. Check the multiple blocking rates.

@byronsmith3152 4 ай бұрын

@@plandseer4527 Potential is NOT production. Sorry.

@jacobwilson7030 4 ай бұрын

@@plandseer4527 so a nose tackle that pulls a double team on about 85% of his snaps by the definition of his position but still finishes his season with 55 tackles and 3.5 sacks is more valuable because he has more blockers on him more often? Got it🤙🏻

@raulboomin 4 ай бұрын

They stay meat ridin’ Garrett 👀😬

@ihatetheantichrist9545 4 ай бұрын

What is hilarious is by their own system of metrics Micah parsons should be the dpoy but they all picked Garrett anyways? Make it make sense

@Chill.ill665 4 ай бұрын

AJ holding back the smile walking dub

@dantheman8152 4 ай бұрын

Analytics is something 😃

@scruffd0g193 4 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s pretty stupid that NBC has the players PFF grade when they do the player intros. PFF has proven to be a very flawed system.

@daguy9305 4 ай бұрын

JJ is best part of the show and he always stands 10 toes down!! Never bullshits

@usupoalaeluaable 4 ай бұрын

The best part is JJ going on 5 different rants about PFF 😂😂😂

@CowboyVet 4 ай бұрын

PFF rankings are a joke. They use numbers to tell people who is great or who sucks. I feel JJ on this one, it's a team game but they award individual performances in a team game. Making up categories and stats that tell us our eyes suck.

@caterpietv6723 4 ай бұрын

Tj Watt doesnt suck, but he gets consistent sacks as a result from his teammates. He doesnt generate the pressure that a Parsons or Garrett does

@CowboyVet 4 ай бұрын

@caterpietv6723 I agree, but no one is going to say TJ Watt sucks, lol. But, PFF would never say that he had help. That's my issue with them. Players like Highsmith would never get the love they deserve because he's the Robin of the Duo.

@byronsmith3152 4 ай бұрын

@@caterpietv6723 Dude you really need to learn football, lol.

@tmoney8785 4 ай бұрын

Yes exactly

@tmoney8785 4 ай бұрын

Stop it they praise TJ all the time dude.

@kevinbillingsley8256 4 ай бұрын

If team insiders don't lend the grades any credence, how could it possibly affect contract negotiations? If it is affecting contracts, that dictates that team insiders are lending the grades credence. JJ is pissed because CJ Stroud was graded low. But PFF will recognize that something is off there and they will correct it as they've done all along. If you believe that PFF is wrong for grading players because they're not insiders or experts, then you also have to believe that JJ Watt is not qualified to rate player graders because he's not an insider or expert on the matter.

@frankdudleyjr6003 4 ай бұрын

Love the backyard baseball refrence

@zachdamenti4387 4 ай бұрын

C.J. Stroud for Offensive Rookie of the Year!

@flux_fabian 4 ай бұрын

C.J. is crazy good but if Puka doesn't get offensive rookie of the year i'm gonna scream

@caden4272 4 ай бұрын

He wont so get ready to scream@@flux_fabian

@caterpietv6723 4 ай бұрын

puka better season

@byronsmith3152 4 ай бұрын

@@caterpietv6723 How do you figure? Stroud had one of the best rookie season any QB has ever had. And he did it in less games.

@sheyanderson4371 4 ай бұрын

Stroud should arguably be MVP of the league and Puka RotY.

@joshdothage8773 4 ай бұрын

Would love to see pff do thier explain the grade segment on pats show specifically to respond to to jj. Either way I'll tune in to here what they have to say.

@notateddybear 4 ай бұрын

*hear

@estebanxburgos 4 ай бұрын

2:56 what did JJ do to boost his video quality?

@sisilotau2185 4 ай бұрын

Love JJ for this. Ecspecially the whole interception worthy bit. Spot on

@SnoopyReads 4 ай бұрын

If you throw a pass directly to a defender and he drops it, that's kind of a bad thing and maybe it should be noted

@freddiesimmons1394 4 ай бұрын

You really dont think someone should be perceived as a more risky qb if he was lucky enough to have his ints dropped? Tf?

@erbgorre 4 ай бұрын

that quick pan over to AQsh ;D

@anthonyg8680 4 ай бұрын

My question is why are 3rd party stats systems being used in NFL contract negotiations as leverage? Or could the players union not develop their own?

@Gaga4Parma 4 ай бұрын

Like you just said, it's third party and independent and so teams can use it to torpedo contract negotiations if it gives stats that will allow teams to not pay what they really should.

@mortgagesdemystified 4 ай бұрын

My view is their system is the best analytical option available to fans right now, far from perfect but teams are not forthright with their what is asked on any given play and that’s the crux of the majority of the legitimate criticism. Also I think do agree certain positions work better within their systems than others. The idea that they’re intentionally biased against certain players to affect contracts I think is totally false.

@ScrambleD1298 4 ай бұрын

I completely disagree with the interceptable take. I would even go a step further and say that QB's should get a slash line the indicates whether the pass hit the receiver in the hands or not. I honestly have lost a lot of respect for JJ Watt

@C.A.D. 4 ай бұрын

There are a lot of things he said true but a lot of things he's not really right about lol. Namely the pass rush win rate not always equating sacks. If you think Nick Bosa is 40% worse than year than he was last year because he got 10 sacks instead of 16 then you don't get football.

@UofMFan628 4 ай бұрын

the Michigan O line has been dominant for the past 3 years. somehow last year PFF had the line rated about the same as MSU's which was absolutely insane.

@segueoyuri 4 ай бұрын

college football is the biggest collective delusion in sports history, like ever lol Ok, Mich line is dominant. Against whom? Ok, strong teams. How strong? Oh, they lost a game. Against whom? And in these games, how better or worse were their lines in respect to their teams? And who grades it, the cabal of the all-knowing, all-powerful grading specialists from the ncaa?? How do they end up there? Do you have to go through a course, are they appointed, are they elected, are they initiated? Is it a cult? lmao So if even the official seeding specialists are shady, in a way the whole team rankings are kinda sus... How do you even grade UNITS or PLAYERS inside those teams??

@justtimes9257 4 ай бұрын

I think you have to understand that they are grading you against your competition and how well you perform against your competition but then that’s why you have to factor into college football level of competition when you representing the stats or the information

@howlbeast 4 ай бұрын

3:10 lol

@b8man88 4 ай бұрын

I'm not mad at PFF they grade ball placement and things like that. Now madden on the other idk what they be grading

@NobleVagabond2552 4 ай бұрын

If PFF grades are being used in player contract negotiations that actually speaks more about the front office executives tbh

@Droid6689 4 ай бұрын

It means PFF grades are useful. Execs want the best players. Point blank period.

@ThatDiecastGuy69 4 ай бұрын

well, hear me out. Cris Collinsworth is my goat of calling games, I love that man. When I'm sick and not feeling good just throwing on an old game and hearing him talk, it's a warming and comforting thing because I grew up with him and before him was Madden, however, the one thing Cris has done that I never liked was PFF. He bought a majority steak in the company back in 14 so there is your answer as to why it is always on

@raulboomin 4 ай бұрын

Now here’s a guy… 👀😂💀

@ThatDiecastGuy69 4 ай бұрын

with all due respect, Muhammad is a false idol who piggybacked off of Christianity because he was a false prophet. The last prophet was Jesus Christ himself, Repent from your religion of death and hate, Accept Jesus Christ and be saved. @@user-tn8uu2cu8g

@jasony8002 4 ай бұрын

JJ is awesome !! Hutchinson is playing well this year !

@itsDolphincat 4 ай бұрын

For the people on twitter who ask what Aj Hawk does unironically, that last 5 seconds is the perfect description of what Aj does and boy is it beautiful.

@mikedavis4747 4 ай бұрын

AJ is a menace to society and thrives in chaos. The timing that he has with the toxic statements that he makes is just impeccable. What he says at the end of this video is a thing of beauty. To state that madden should use PFF to rate players because clearly PFF know better than anyone else, but the additional motive for saving money on payroll is priceless. Essentially going against what everyone else has been saying the entire video , and madden can save money too just like the teams do in contract negotiations by using PFF

@itsDolphincat 4 ай бұрын

@@Nunya7211 bro what are you on about. We are joking about AJ Hawks delivery. Go touch some grass weirdo.

@Carrollavirus 4 ай бұрын

Aaron Rodgers, and J.J. Watt need to seriously have their own show.

@vitigaymer1053 4 ай бұрын

AA & JJ

@OldManInternet 4 ай бұрын

I think like with most things, this conversation requires a nuanced approach. PFF does have useful data, and should be a piece of determining how good people played. But it shouldn't be the only source of data, just a piece of the puzzle. The stats are the stats, but they also don't tell the whole story. Kind of like the score in the Packers Cowboys game.

@TheTEN24 4 ай бұрын

He hates pff I love it lolol

@kentuckyjones7242 4 ай бұрын

10 points.... but MAN.. yea.. the Texas were amazing...lol

@peterranney9488 4 ай бұрын

I will believe in PFF once significant people go from working at PFF to successful coaching careers. If they are really hiring the best people at watching and grading film then NFL franchises would be lining up to get them on staff, but it doesn't seem to be happening.

@claypack5943 4 ай бұрын

The OC for the Texans worked at pff. The guy that schemed up strouds amazing stats haha. Guess you can believe in them now!

@peterranney9488 4 ай бұрын

@@claypack5943 I didn't know that. That is a good sign that the company is at least producing some decent quality analysis! We will have to see if any other NFL owners raid the cookie jar while there is still talent present...

@viktorstagnetti7491 4 ай бұрын

@@claypack5943 Just like LaFleur schemed up Jordan Love, right? Stroud has been disrespected since college and even after leading the worst team in the NFL to the playoffs, they still hate.

@EdBate 4 ай бұрын

they have a ton of former coaches lmao. PFF looks at literally everything. Its not perfect but when you have a guy who threw into double coverage that should of been picked and 1 of his TDs was a screen you're not gonna get a better grade than the dude who was throwing side arm and off his back foot in Dallas

@peterranney9488 4 ай бұрын

@@EdBate If there are actually a bunch of coaches coming out of PFF and succeeding then I think what JJ is talking about on this segment is less impactful. I am personally not that interested in a lot of the arguments about PFF being used in contract negotiations because that is better to use than the stuff that bad front offices used before, which is how many nice articles were written about the player in the local news

@captainyami4605 4 ай бұрын

So CJ and Jordan love had identical stats, but the GB game broke the record for how open the targets were. Yet Jordan Loves game was rated much higher? How does that make sense.

@kylethomas2993 4 ай бұрын

A KZfaqr called that franchise guy made a breakdown explaining why

@GaComicsnMore 4 ай бұрын

PFF is the New Mel Kiper draft expert. He knows more than scouts and GMs and can see players futures. PFF knows all plays and assignments. And the answer to all shoulda, coulda, woulda, throughout the game.

@invisalats841 4 ай бұрын

Mel was considerably wrong every year. I've always listened to his stuff to see what is unlikely to happen.

@Droid6689 4 ай бұрын

PFF explicitly says they don't know those things.

@calebzimmerman5951 4 ай бұрын

9:32 and people really wonder what AJ Hawker brings to this show

@angrylittlespider4593 4 ай бұрын

Preach JJ!

@Jimbo_Jumbo 4 ай бұрын

JJ nailed it. Pff is a business and no doubt this video will get loads of people talking about pff! It's a free advertisement!

@matttheratt 4 ай бұрын

I've always thought PFF is trash, I give little to no credit to peoples statements when they mention PFF ratings/rankings.

@johntruxal432 4 ай бұрын

JJ and TJ need to do superbowl special with the boys , or Aaron and Poyer...🍻

@johntruxal432 4 ай бұрын

@@user-tn8uu2cu8g allah is nothing

@taylorbrown3893 4 ай бұрын

Oh I got to get that Pablo shirt …..

@2bNIKEt1 4 ай бұрын

He killed the “out” And I wouldn’t be surprised if the Jordan Love rating is a shot at A-Rod

@glenhammond1537 4 ай бұрын

VAR. yeah, not good

@AbigailRTeh 4 ай бұрын

It's very S2-ish. Many teams have analytics departments already, maybe they assess players their own way. PFF scores should not be used for contract negotiations.

@toddmarquez1968 4 ай бұрын

JJ is great. But Michael Lombardi was on this a year or two ago at least. He has a great story on watching film with a person that worked for PFF.

@levikeller7916 4 ай бұрын

They don’t grade with an algorithm lol

@tmoney8785 4 ай бұрын

Well you know a lot of players use p f f grades to get better contracts so don't hate them completely

@kingkrow420 4 ай бұрын

The concept of what PFF does is brilliant. I love how QBs arent punished for an interception that hits the WR in the hands. But, man, most of their execution is just absolutely abysmal. Myles is better than TJ because he has a higher pass rush win rate. But… is that really more important than winning slightly less, but finishing wayyyyyyy more?

@Bassmastahflex 4 ай бұрын

Lets just talk about how 2 first year starters blew out the opposing team eith deadly accuracy. Love had dam near a perfect quarter back rating

@UncleSkoden49 4 ай бұрын

They did help me win my fantasy football leagues

@UncleSkoden49 4 ай бұрын

@user-tn8uu2cu8g you need Jesus

@daltonvalero2772 4 ай бұрын

finally someone who matters questions pff!

@caterpietv6723 4 ай бұрын

jj watt hasnt matter in almost 10 years

@daltonvalero2772 4 ай бұрын

@@caterpietv6723 matters enough for you to click on a video with his face, watch said video, then look at comments of person who doesn’t matter, then comment about how this person doesn’t matter lmao

@EdBate 4 ай бұрын

espn had his qbr at 98.4 and love at 99.3

@kylethomas2993 4 ай бұрын

QBR is probably a far worse state than PFF grades

@calebbecker9706 4 ай бұрын

I disagree with JJ to a degree. They don't have a horrible system. Just look up how they grade QBs. CJ had a throw that should have been a pick, other plays were really big yards after the catch. Btw a 77 is a good grade. They were also just grading one game. Calm tf down

@damnsonwtf 4 ай бұрын

No system is perfect…

@10us68 4 ай бұрын

Who gets to say that that rush was a win? Who gets to say that that was a pressure but that wasn’t? That’s the problem with these over analytics. Not even goes by the same metric and not everyone agrees. I’ve seen multiple different stats of pressures and win rates for garret and TJ

@dangelothompson3649 4 ай бұрын

Even madden hoed CJ. Graded him 80 overall. While other QBs who played the position got a much higher rating than him. Look I get he’s a “rookie” but he’s not playing like one and you can say he’s top 3 or 5 at the position

@Bar0n970 4 ай бұрын

When it comes down to it, the only thing that matters is results. Not just in the NFL but in work life too. What did you accomplish, what did you produce. Pff to their credit is trying to expand that quantification. HOWEVER their metrics are way too skewed towards metrics that dont directly impact the down, distance or scoreboard. Those are the big 3 in terms of results and how players have and should be predominantly graded. Everything else, pass rush win rate, turnover "worthy" play, at this time is way too juvenile/immature and too subjectiveof a field of collection to give it the weight PFF is trying to push. Maybe one day we will get there but using PFFs extra stats are just that, extra. NOT the primary result driven data

@axogablencet 4 ай бұрын

I get you all want to circle jerk JJ and it's not completely unwarranted. He's a hall of famer and obviously knows a lot more about football than anyone else here. The issue is that you all think he and every other player/coach with a bone to pick is infallible and honest. JJ was a great player but that doesn't mean he is the best evaluator, and it doesn't mean he isn't biased. Any accusation you could make of PFF, you could also make of JJ. Ironically, the difference between the two is that JJ believes he doesn't experience the same roadblocks that PFF experiences when it comes to evaluating players, which is the exact arrogance that JJ is accusing PFF of showing. PFF readily admits that there are aspects of player performance that are not captured in their data (sometimes by design), but JJ is so full of himself that he believes he's figured that out before they have. It's clear that JJ understands how to play football at a high level, but that doesn't translate to knowing how to evaluate players at a high level. Teams have an entire set of staff that are payed (very well) to serve that one purpose, and even they get it wrong. PFF's explicit goal for existence is to serve that purpose at a higher level than any other group. There's nothing that serves as a roadblock unique to just them. Everyone else runs into the exact same issues, including JJ. A lot of what you all speculate over are things that no one external to the team has access to use.

@eddya.3776 4 ай бұрын

"Don't do this."

@charlesburge3074 4 ай бұрын

The DEI of sports

@Mike__B 4 ай бұрын

While I agree with JJ, there's one part that I don't agree with he put it down as "affect pro bowl votes, affecting All Pro voting" as if those other two "awards" aren't also flawed. I mean the Pro Bowl is 1/3 fan votes which are going to be almost always biased towards their team, 1/3 is player votes and they may not be as biased but they'll also be biased, and 1/3 coaches votes which may be the least biased but the other side of that is coaches probably are not putting too much effort into this as they have games to prepare for. Then there's the AP All Pro honors, 50 writers give a 1st or 2nd place rank to players, and it's as simple as that, they can't have any biases themselves? If players are going to have contract stipulations based on "grades" or "awards" whether it's PFF or Pro Bowl, then that's on them for negotiating that into their contract.

@FearMyBlades 4 ай бұрын

This just in, PFF had retroactively adjusted JJ Watt's grades...

@erickbolden2584 4 ай бұрын

Let JJ cook!!

@revolution55125 4 ай бұрын

Ranking QBs who got eliminated over Stroud is insane

@TeamKP1 4 ай бұрын

It’s by play. A qb can play good in a win and bad and a loss You people have to be better lmao

@bananaman4589 4 ай бұрын

The fact that Stroud and Love have identical stats and one is a 92% and the other is in the 70’s is insane.

@bigman8477 4 ай бұрын

ranking players on wether they win or lose is mental r3tardation 👍

@TeamKP1 4 ай бұрын

@@bananaman4589 It’s not insane you just don’t understand it . STROUD had two dropped INTS which counts against your grade and 2 screen pass TDS in which he did nothing on the play. People actually watch film and not just stats

@zackhurwitz9441 4 ай бұрын

@@bananaman4589I think the system is flawed, but Stroud isn't a good example. Turnover worthy plays should definitely be accounted for when comparing similar passing performances. Stroud also accumulated his yards via run after catch on a screen pass to Collins, as well as a couple other passes that weren't necessarily "perfect" passes that the receiver makes a play on, that won't earn the same grades as a great throw that defeats tight coverage. PFF is far from perfect, but stat watching is way worse, because no single game is the same. It's still ultimately arbitrary.

@DrChristopherMueller 4 ай бұрын

I mean CJ had a few balls dropped that would have been touchdowns, how do they miss that?

@revolution55125 4 ай бұрын

They are on ESPN and their tech couldn't move his mouse pointer out of the screen hahaha

@Bork19 4 ай бұрын

A couple years ago when diggs was leading the league in picks PFF had him in the 20’s and the explanation was that “every play has the same value, so getting picks doesn’t increase the rating much.” However you could look at something like qb passer rating when targeting receivers covered by diggs was in the 50’s, that’s pretty dang good from play to play.

@tmoney8785 4 ай бұрын

Do more research He was giving up so many yards when he wasnt getting those interceptions. Go check on the yard to he gave up that year.

@TheShepdawg9 4 ай бұрын

Ok firstly passer rating is the worst, most useless stat in the league, and secondly Diggs went for so many interceptions that he gave up a bunch of big plays too, hence the grade

@Bork19 4 ай бұрын

@@tmoney8785 I’m not claiming he was the best corner in football, just that he wasn’t the 25th best or whatever his final rating was. IMO he was top 10 that year. He did give up a lot of yards and there are many reasons for that; playing with a large lead thus giving up short passes, getting targeted a bunch (goes back to often playing with a large lead), zone defense which goes back to what JJ and others say that PFF doesn’t always know the assignments and has to guess, him jumping routes because they sent a blitz and the blitz doesn’t get home like it should, and him gambling and getting burned (definitely an issue he had) When it comes down to it picks are far more valuable than PFF gives them credit for.

@tmoney8785 4 ай бұрын

@Bork19 Yeah those are good points.. I just think a lot of guys knocking pflf have never really watched any other shows or them explaining the grades. But come on when JJ says he doesn't understand why a quarterback would get a bad grade for throwing the ball right to a defender? But he drops it is silly. But they're good for things like Say a quarterback throws a 5 yd past that the receiver takes 80 yd for a touchdown. Quarterback just gets normal grade the wide receiver. Did everything he doesn't get credit for that Makes sense to me.

@Aaron-kj8dv 4 ай бұрын

What makes that insane is the stat with the most correlation to winning is who wins in the turnover department.

@caydenwhalen7126 4 ай бұрын

Cj strouds stats and Jordan loves stats were nearly identical in their playoff games and Jordan got a 92.5 and cj got a 77.8 that’s crazy

@kylethomas2993 4 ай бұрын

That's literally the point of advanced stats, tell you what the basic stats don't

@ar15tac 4 ай бұрын

I have AJ doesn’t say a word. And then why don’t they just use PFF?

@francmittelo6731 4 ай бұрын

NFL football is way too specialized for companies like PFF to develop a valid and reliable tool to grade players. Trying to grade NFL players is like asking "what is the best organ in the human body?" Makes no sense.

@grantprice3 4 ай бұрын

Complain all you want but please offer something better then. Is it so terrible? Well hard to say if there's nothing to compare to. It sounds like they aren't even mad at PFF, but at the networks and teams. PFF is offering something, no one is forced to take it. JJs comment about "interception worthy throw" and a "results league".... how often have we seen a pass hit a defender between the numbers and dropped but the QB doesn't get an interception. And the inverse, great throw that the receiver bobbles up into the air and is picked. Trying to account for this is a good idea to get an idea of overall performance. Not sure why so angry.