"THE TEAM SHOULD BE FINED TOO" - Andre Iguodala On The James Harden / Philadelphia 76ers Situation

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JJ Redick

JJ Redick

9 ай бұрын

In this clip, Andre Iguodala talks to Evan Turner and JJ Redick about the James Harden vs. Philadelphia 76ers situation where Harden got fined for calling Daryl Morey a liar.
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@JJRedick
@JJRedick 9 ай бұрын
As always, check out the full show. Or don't. It's your life: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jdGgg7Opr8i5eYU.html
@gookiemonstr
@gookiemonstr 9 ай бұрын
JJ, isn't the Ant Edwards discussion technically tampering..
@LLDRv
@LLDRv 9 ай бұрын
You have to stop with the podcasts. You players like to revise history with you opinions and keep changing the real event that had happened. This is bad for the history of the league. Because in the future these podcasts could be the source of information of how we look at players.
@emilymesch7537
@emilymesch7537 9 ай бұрын
You know what? It is my life. I will definitely check out the full show, or I won't. It will be one or the other. I get to choose! It's my life!
@fr3ckmula782
@fr3ckmula782 9 ай бұрын
You inspire change. Thanks for leading the way
@fateriddle14
@fateriddle14 9 ай бұрын
Let me just say this, you're gonna invite Iggy back, constantly
@matthewroreilly
@matthewroreilly 9 ай бұрын
@@DABEATBAKERZhe’s really good being a guest too though, like when joe Rogan goes on someone else’s podcast it’s kinda refreshing. Makes em relax I feel like since they’re on the other side
@MegaKevin13
@MegaKevin13 9 ай бұрын
These comments keep one upping each other 😎
@Michael-tc1dm
@Michael-tc1dm 9 ай бұрын
Hopefully not. He's a race baiting coward. You're a millionaire that's out of touch who expects the same pay with less labor and views. You expect us fans to get behind a players that lives in the strip club and plays basketball as a hobby. Go away clown.
@MulletMike
@MulletMike 9 ай бұрын
Are you telling him? Lol
@matthewroreilly
@matthewroreilly 9 ай бұрын
@@MegaKevin13 you da man Kev dawg
@jefferrrson1x
@jefferrrson1x 9 ай бұрын
Andre and JJ should be a duo. These two are MONEY when it comes to basketball coverage. Love Iggy man. He’s so knowledgeable w everything. Glad he’s still around. One of my fav players.
@miles6910
@miles6910 9 ай бұрын
man, i dunno. i had a really hard time following iggy's train of thought.
@bigdripbobz1072
@bigdripbobz1072 9 ай бұрын
I think iggy has the right opinions and stuff, but my problem with him is he runs in circles with his ideas, just takes him a while to get his point out. Then again jj and evan turner are of the same vreed and are doing successful, so what can I say.
@miles6910
@miles6910 9 ай бұрын
@@bigdripbobz1072 i suppose going by this one clip isn't exactly fair. he sounds like he's got points to make, but he seems to side track himself and not complete thoughts before moving onto other things. i guess that's what you mean by running in circles.
@daytonjohn777
@daytonjohn777 9 ай бұрын
Ya I didn’t understand Iggy or Turner at all
@dysonj3
@dysonj3 9 ай бұрын
We are witnessing just bits of why ppl like iggy (veterans) are big vital to a team even when playing minimum minutes.
@surenick3460
@surenick3460 9 ай бұрын
If I was a player I'd be very reassured to have Iggy high up in the players union. You can see he has some difficulties with what's going on but he knows they're all in the same corner. All professions need leaders like him.
@HumanOptimization
@HumanOptimization 9 ай бұрын
he actually makes very little sense. i dont think he sees the big pic.
@macman6777
@macman6777 9 ай бұрын
agree, iggy is struggling to paint a story/answer that is clear - unlike turner & JJ@@HumanOptimization
@paquinraino8180
@paquinraino8180 9 ай бұрын
@@HumanOptimization what's te big pic, then ? real question
@user-nv1gm2zj7y
@user-nv1gm2zj7y 9 ай бұрын
hahaha iggy is the sleazy atty you need. only good for his client but not the big picture. same as cp3...... thats why they union heads
@partycrasher9660
@partycrasher9660 8 ай бұрын
You’d be reassured unless you were Rudy Gobert then he’s cool with just throwing you under the bus for accepting generational wealth when it’s offered to you
@seanr152
@seanr152 9 ай бұрын
Evan was flabbergasted when JJ mentioned Rudy😂😂😂
@BengaIaas
@BengaIaas 9 ай бұрын
Harden didn't get fined because he said they lied to him. Harden got fined because he said he won't play for that team. You can't just state that you intend not to fulfil your contract.
@sydguitar99
@sydguitar99 9 ай бұрын
Ok and teams openly admit that they wont play players and let them rot on the bench. The Rockets literally did that to Wall and they got no fine
@figo007tv
@figo007tv 9 ай бұрын
not in this settings@@sydguitar99
@abouttime2569
@abouttime2569 9 ай бұрын
@@sydguitar99 John Wall agreed on getting benched though... It wasn't against his will
@sirjimssirjims9047
@sirjimssirjims9047 9 ай бұрын
​@@sydguitar99horrible example. John wall offered to not play.
@sydguitar99
@sydguitar99 9 ай бұрын
He openly said he felt pressure by the org on various podcasts@@sirjimssirjims9047
@RonZucker
@RonZucker 9 ай бұрын
Andre Iguadola is so thoughtful. Bring him back regularly. Loved this discussion.
@user-nv1gm2zj7y
@user-nv1gm2zj7y 9 ай бұрын
hahaha
@k_hack9441
@k_hack9441 9 ай бұрын
He’s actually exposing himself on some topics. Badly…
@guppetto
@guppetto 9 ай бұрын
I can't believe how much I've grown to like JJ Redick through the years. I hate Duke and he is the ultimate duke playwr. But he is also so funny. And he says the quiet things out loud and its so respectable. He fits in every space and can for the most part be himself. Thats enviable.
@Crypto_Circus
@Crypto_Circus 9 ай бұрын
“Owners want to players and players want to be owners” - this is profound statement. Respect to Iggy for seeing this
@southbeachtalent
@southbeachtalent 8 ай бұрын
20-25 years ago all NBA players wanted to be rappers and the rappers wanted to be in the NBA
@timothybocker33
@timothybocker33 9 ай бұрын
Signing a contract, not fulfilling it, and expecting sympathy is crazy
@dreamcage1801
@dreamcage1801 9 ай бұрын
Damn right! Both maggots should honor their contracts. You light up you sign up!
@WoTMike1989
@WoTMike1989 9 ай бұрын
Where did he not fulfill his contract?
@ANGELOFDARKification
@ANGELOFDARKification 9 ай бұрын
​@@WoTMike1989He said he wouldn't play for the team didn't he?
@WoTMike1989
@WoTMike1989 9 ай бұрын
@@ANGELOFDARKification Nah, he said he wouldnt play for Morey because he lied to him. Which is an emotional thing to say but not a legally binding statement that he wont play out his contract. Which is why he is going to win in arbitration. Plenty of ways to interpret that statement other than "I, James Harden, refuse to play for the 76ers this coming season
@ANGELOFDARKification
@ANGELOFDARKification 9 ай бұрын
@@WoTMike1989 I guess Harden's past doesn't help him tbf. Showing up to work not being in shape is technically also not fulfilling his contract. I don't really know enough about this particular Philadelphia situation though
@JJuiicceee
@JJuiicceee 9 ай бұрын
Can never rely on these NBA players with podcasts to hold each other accountable
@Sean-lv5uy
@Sean-lv5uy 9 ай бұрын
Facts, Andre thinks Rudy has done more damage to the CBA than Harden lmao
@itszirvah
@itszirvah 9 ай бұрын
biggest problem with these podcasts is every one of them consistently agree with each other, do not call out anyone, rarely ever see the perspective from anyone but a players perspective
@officialthomasjames
@officialthomasjames 9 ай бұрын
The current NBA has a culture of no accountability and all self-glorification. Harden is absolutely in the wrong, yet these dudes will side with him no matter what.
@espycole2386
@espycole2386 9 ай бұрын
If James had absolutely been promised a max deal for multiple years from the Sixers then why would his camp spend half the season leaking about getting a max deal from Houston?
@epcarter6
@epcarter6 9 ай бұрын
Lol exactly that stuff started leaking around Christmas
@joshuaharris5032
@joshuaharris5032 9 ай бұрын
Probably a negotiation tactic. A lot of the time media outlets are used as mouthpieces for players or ownership or whoever wants to spin a narrative a certain way.
@therealallpro
@therealallpro 9 ай бұрын
This guy gets it ^
@BigPurp9
@BigPurp9 9 ай бұрын
I mean you can never be too sure. I always just took it as him trying to maintain the level of bargaining power by showing he still had some other “offers” if the Sixers thought they could low ball him
@Fergus316
@Fergus316 9 ай бұрын
@@BigPurp9 Well, Houston showed him and the Sixers what his true market value was
@therealallpro
@therealallpro 9 ай бұрын
Reddick just proved that Harden didn't get fined for calling his GM. He got fined for saying he won't fulfill his contract.
@CYimmer
@CYimmer 9 ай бұрын
The players should lose their super max contract deal and revert back to a normal max when they leave the team that could offer them a super max. To make it easier for trading the super max should not be counted as a super max on the team’s cap. It should just be a normal max. This will probably help teams and give players more of an incentive to stay with the team that can offer you a super max.
@mrcoolguy2530
@mrcoolguy2530 9 ай бұрын
That would be great. Unfortunately, I think the nba players union has too much power. The owners need to act more like the nfl in my opinion (e.g., cut throat)
@shawncain882
@shawncain882 9 ай бұрын
Nah, I don't agree with your statement. You have to meet a certain criteria to even qualify for a supermax contract, that's collectively bargained between the owners and the players Union. So I don't think players should lose that just because they want to switch teams because they earned that supermax contract based on their performance on the court, regardless of what team they're on
@cbrown940
@cbrown940 9 ай бұрын
Solid point, worth debating.
@kenneth9338
@kenneth9338 9 ай бұрын
@@mrcoolguy2530owners act cut throat the players leave the nfl is a franchise driven league the nba is a player driven league
@realamerican8069
@realamerican8069 9 ай бұрын
No players want to play for a crappy teams in pos cities..
@medjos
@medjos 9 ай бұрын
What an ignorant comment from Iggy, Harden was fined because he said he won’t be part of the organization he just signed a contract
@jeremymuir4332
@jeremymuir4332 9 ай бұрын
I love hearing this kind of conversation. Makes me wonder what kinds of suggestions are made in respective NBPA meetings and owners meetings because it's much easier to believe the two sides are more antagonistic than collaborative.
@gilligan9849
@gilligan9849 9 ай бұрын
Player empowerment is wild man
@tonyshlean
@tonyshlean 9 ай бұрын
Nothing made me forgive the Lebron move like when I heard they didn’t make the Amare Stoudimire move. Kobe gets Pau Gasol for free to fast track a chip and now Lebron gotta go to war with Hickson and 36 yr old Shaq. Against Dwight Howard and Kevin Garnett
@PeteringYT
@PeteringYT 9 ай бұрын
Iggy is not the best person to talk about this considering how he treated Memphis. They didn't fine him and Iggy acted like a brat threatening retirement and spoke to teams without Memphis' permission.
@chinoxSD
@chinoxSD 9 ай бұрын
He has leverage
@JD-jz5gu
@JD-jz5gu 9 ай бұрын
I mean, he was traded there a clearly didn’t want to be there. Harden literally signed the 1-year deal of his own free will. It’s 2 completely different situations
@ImGearsBeast
@ImGearsBeast 9 ай бұрын
@@JD-jz5guharden begged to get out of Brooklyn now look
@Pro_Phill
@Pro_Phill 9 ай бұрын
Iggy didnt have a supermax,, easy contract to move..
@thomasblank2353
@thomasblank2353 9 ай бұрын
@@JD-jz5gu Kelly Uber 20ppg cant do better than a vet min deal largely because of the new CBA. SO harden was looking at the new CBA rules sprung weeks before and suddenly he gets ghosted by 76ers management. Sorry, he singned because he had to given the weeks old rule changes that owners pushed through. What player did not see through that. Maxey has learned a ton about who he cant trust you can bet. Fans in a 40+ year drought are pissed off, but if this situation turns out in a mediocre work product players everywhere will take note. The players all know the bad owners and the better FA's are not going to want to play in philly given the 10+ years of drama and poor decision making.
@sulmona55
@sulmona55 9 ай бұрын
Andre didnt even understand what JJ was asking him or didnt want to actually answer it. JJ said: " Do you think there was unintended consequences of the supermax" and Andre said " well the small market teams wanted it in the negotiations so they got it" Cmon Andre you KNOW what JJ was asking
@cjwrench07
@cjwrench07 9 ай бұрын
Iggy is a current player & politician, saying what is true would get him fined to hell and back. That’s why he also could never verbalize, and just held his arm up, when JJ talked about not getting g fined.
@fredrahi7662
@fredrahi7662 8 ай бұрын
just a question, what would be the unintended consequences of the super max? I wasn’t really sure and iggy didn’t really give an asnwer
@cjwrench07
@cjwrench07 8 ай бұрын
@@fredrahi7662 that players would just sign the supermax and still ask out, because the extra money came with no caveats. The owners thought they could simply buy their happiness; when even they aren’t happy with the league earning them billions a year in extra wealth.
@sulmona55
@sulmona55 8 ай бұрын
@@fredrahi7662 The unintended consequences are that because there is a cap in basketball if you have a player who makes up 35% of the salary cap unless he is a top 5 player it is almost impossible to be able to build a team around them. This makes it tough for the small market teams who have to overpay to keep their star player and then cant build around them. But players will NEVER EVER say another player was overpaid or that the supermax contract was bad because it put teams in a financial bind.
@arashmicaily6144
@arashmicaily6144 9 ай бұрын
This made almost no sense. Almost all of Iggy’s facts were wrong. James Harden isn’t a supermax player. He was on a 2 yr deal with a player option.
@ob1710
@ob1710 9 ай бұрын
There's something about iggy that when he speaks on the game it's so informative and interesting like I can't explain it. I could listen to all his stories on the NBA, damn what a career
@jackduff7194
@jackduff7194 9 ай бұрын
Is it just me or does literally the whole league, fans, players, owners hate Rudy Gobert? I get it but I thought he would have more defenders (pun intended)
@tenken73
@tenken73 9 ай бұрын
I’m glad they did this podcast. Evan’s funny asf. Dre’s a genius.
@DavidBagga
@DavidBagga 9 ай бұрын
JJ, with your experience as a 15 year player and now analyst and podcaster, how much is ever done quietly behind closed doors between the player and management? Does that stuff ever happen first before it becomes public? or is it always pretty public first like the harden situation? Keep up the great work! 👌🏽🏀
@abouttime2569
@abouttime2569 9 ай бұрын
I won't be surprised if owners and players do shady stuff on a regular basis.
@chrisneely3069
@chrisneely3069 9 ай бұрын
@@abouttime2569owners do for sure
@gram3060
@gram3060 9 ай бұрын
U thot u ate
@TheNickhammond
@TheNickhammond 9 ай бұрын
With how close Harden and Morey were it’s obvious he found out the owner was reneging on his future contract that Morey promised him. They dont just blindly wait till the season end. They get reassurances along the way.
@abouttime2569
@abouttime2569 9 ай бұрын
@@chrisneely3069 players as well
@wedabestradi096
@wedabestradi096 8 ай бұрын
Love these three together. Some fun basketball talk
@beautywhore3360
@beautywhore3360 9 ай бұрын
JJ said we should all shut up and just enjoy and appreciate Ben Simmons great play regardless if Simmons couldn’t buy a bucket so I’m not surprised he took this stance on the harden issue
@brianbrown4415
@brianbrown4415 9 ай бұрын
I do this at work press record when the supervisor/Owner of the team promises you stuff because it's always your word vs they word.
@BenEnlet29
@BenEnlet29 9 ай бұрын
"Teams shouldn't trust the players, players shouldn't trust the teams" This is what's going on with Dame. He was told that they were gonna try everything in their power to put a competitive roster around him but every move dating back to the Josh Hart trade was pointing into a full rebuild. Which all culminated in them deciding to keep the pick instead of trading it and giving grant a big bag and that ultimately led to Dame requesting a trade
@erickiyoshiphillips2323
@erickiyoshiphillips2323 9 ай бұрын
I'm from Port he deserves to leave Portland we haven't tried getting any big players to help us
@Chali_M
@Chali_M 9 ай бұрын
Iguodala trying to take up for Harden, got the story all wrong. James didn't say he's a liar until a couple days after the Sixers put out there that he's no longer on the trading block
@hearmeout5203
@hearmeout5203 8 ай бұрын
Iggy is a must. Definitely professional,profound, honest, behind the scenes knowledge, as well as chemistry with maby players in the league and most importantly relevant
@je5406
@je5406 9 ай бұрын
James Harden said he was going to withhold services. Thats why he got fined. Too much pandering on this pod.
@antonexfranco
@antonexfranco 9 ай бұрын
JJ said “I’ll name names, Rudy Gobert” and dude said 😯
@LLDRv
@LLDRv 9 ай бұрын
This is the full reason as to why players should not have a podcast. They keep changing the narrative to favor to them.
@jeremymuir4332
@jeremymuir4332 9 ай бұрын
definitely some skewing, but Iggy is still sitting VP of the NBPA.... there's intentional bias.
@dreamcage1801
@dreamcage1801 9 ай бұрын
Players enable other players
@Revan-N7
@Revan-N7 9 ай бұрын
Andre is full of ish there, Harden was fined because he said he won't play. I get that he wants to protect his brothers but that's ridiculous.
@Ivander85
@Ivander85 9 ай бұрын
People keep bringing up Rudy Gobert like he offered that max contract to himself.
@ImBarryScottCSS
@ImBarryScottCSS 9 ай бұрын
Ay, it's Rudy's fault for saying 'yes, please give me free money' like any of these fools would have turned it down.
@partycrasher9660
@partycrasher9660 8 ай бұрын
100% agree. They act like the expectation was to say “nah… I don’t deserve to have generational wealth”
@team99sports86
@team99sports86 9 ай бұрын
I’ve always said that teams(front office guys) need to be held accountable for bad contracts just as much as players do. They can’t be signing players because their the next Lebron, then have their excuse when the player becomes B Simmons. Running a team(organization) takes talent too.
@jacksontobin6444
@jacksontobin6444 8 ай бұрын
They are held accountable. They get fired.
@ydlee5888
@ydlee5888 9 ай бұрын
There's a difference between JJ Redick not getting fined when he called David Griffin a liar ad Harden getting fined when he did the same with Morey. These guys probably know what that difference is but are pretending to be ignorant. It's not that Harden called Morey a liar, it's that he said he's not goig to play for the team in public. Please stop the pretense to fit them into your narrative.
@TheNickhammond
@TheNickhammond 9 ай бұрын
He said he won’t play for Morey
@springpojken
@springpojken 9 ай бұрын
Thanks, agreed, but whats funny with andres gesture at 6:40? I want go get it and laugh, but cant figure it out!
@TheNickhammond
@TheNickhammond 9 ай бұрын
Must be an inside joke. I didn’t get it either
@officialthomasjames
@officialthomasjames 9 ай бұрын
It’s JJ, he says whatever he needs to so that people like him. Half of his tenure on ESPN has been him trying to put on a show.
@Headhunter_212
@Headhunter_212 7 ай бұрын
Props to the Set Designer. They’ll get you to 1M subs soon enough.
@icebear_
@icebear_ 9 ай бұрын
What a trash take. Harden got fined for saying he will not play. Not for saying he was lied...
@nickjones5495
@nickjones5495 9 ай бұрын
He said he won’t work with a liar (Morey).. meaning he wants the sixers to rid of him. You thought you were being smart
@bradleyrodriguez305
@bradleyrodriguez305 9 ай бұрын
No, you thought you were being smart@@nickjones5495
@LegionOfEclaires
@LegionOfEclaires 9 ай бұрын
​@@nickjones5495 The Sixers do not have to fire him if they don't want to. This doesn't give Harden the right to refuse to uphold the contract... You thought you were being smart... lmao
@nickjones5495
@nickjones5495 9 ай бұрын
@@LegionOfEclaires who said they did? Boy get tf on
@GeeDee-yj7yd
@GeeDee-yj7yd 9 ай бұрын
He signed the contract in good faith he was going to be traded not tricked
@coolboy4555able
@coolboy4555able 9 ай бұрын
What type of gel do you use for your hair jj ?
@Mayancinnamon
@Mayancinnamon 9 ай бұрын
this energy with Evan Turner is perfect
@katboss4886
@katboss4886 9 ай бұрын
I always learn from Andre. Love Point Forward!
@ricosolomon
@ricosolomon 9 ай бұрын
So Rudy Golbert cares too much or not enough. Pick one, Iggy
@papapalpatinethesenate4396
@papapalpatinethesenate4396 9 ай бұрын
The Rudy talk was some real ish. Its a terrible contract, but its not his fault.
@nbarealtalker
@nbarealtalker 9 ай бұрын
Nothing will stop general trade request antics but if a player or his rep publicize or can be linked to intentional leaks about trade requests and destination requests etc they should just be fined heavily in the millions. Treat the players like you would organizations for tampering. Nothing will stop the rumours and leaks will still run the media circus but players shouldn’t be talking about teams they wanna go to while under contract. Players can plan among themselves as friends all they want but the public spats need to stop.
@drewski8949
@drewski8949 9 ай бұрын
This combo w/ iggy🔥
@djturner-smith6380
@djturner-smith6380 9 ай бұрын
I understand NBA players will be biased but on this topic they are completely disingenuous. The issue is players not playing and forcing trades and the owners still having to honor their contracts and pay the guaranteed money. These teams can't even get fair value for a player because other teams know he wants out. That would especially cripple a small market team. Seems like the players would rather stay on code than actually acknowledge why the owners are upset.
@lilaznballaz1022
@lilaznballaz1022 9 ай бұрын
Owners got the money, players are trying to defend themselves and change the business game cause like Andre said on the full clip, players are looked at as pawns to the owners.
@officialthomasjames
@officialthomasjames 9 ай бұрын
@@lilaznballaz1022 don’t sign a contract you can’t uphold. It’s simple. The players sign and then get pissy when their employer doesn’t get rid of them for scraps in return. These players are all delusional and have 0 sense of how business works. The culture of NBA players now is anti-accountability.
@brunokrisgeorgeton4482
@brunokrisgeorgeton4482 9 ай бұрын
Ok . First, I like this format. No huge argument or stupid arguments. Sensible and well thought out. Thanks! And I am French😂. I do not agree on everything Mr Iguadola says, simply because many players are overpaid, but owners are wealthy enough to handle the situation. Let’s not forget that the NBA is a league on its own. Players rules the roost…. and often owners and players cancels each others on stupidity and disrespect.
@ANGELOFDARKification
@ANGELOFDARKification 9 ай бұрын
"If I lied to you, I may be a liar in that moment but that may not be a liar" Wtf is Iggy talking about bro😂
@troythompson2
@troythompson2 9 ай бұрын
Ok JJ. Every one of these clips 🔥
@adamstewart247
@adamstewart247 9 ай бұрын
Iggy should be your co-host. He's media gold! Plus he has great style with his watches. You guys should do watch shout-outs like Hodinkee style. You both were on there separately
@Youngguy2024
@Youngguy2024 9 ай бұрын
JJ & Andre needs to be it’s own pod
@fr3ckmula782
@fr3ckmula782 9 ай бұрын
Fav. Player ever bro…we need you in ORL coaching !!!!
@1jo_nv
@1jo_nv 9 ай бұрын
Evan is a troll. “I like you in a iso against Gobert” 😭
@portthegoat4143
@portthegoat4143 9 ай бұрын
this is a great duo/trio
@timstar28
@timstar28 9 ай бұрын
Even turner chiming in 😂
@at0mly
@at0mly 9 ай бұрын
I could watch Iggy and JJ talk about basketball for days.
@Yamas258
@Yamas258 9 ай бұрын
Wish we could’ve gotten one year with JJ on warriors
@bcs1793
@bcs1793 9 ай бұрын
The problem is that the supermax was created to keep top players in small teams, but in my view that is not the main problem with the NBA today. The problem with the NBA is that teams do not have incentives to develop A TEAM - the only thing they can do is hope to draft a star and then build around him. But that's not how historically great teams are made - think of the warriors building the big three since they were drafted. A classic case is the Thunder. They had three young stars that could be together for their entire career and develop together. But in our current structure, it made more sense for Harden financially to be the top star in a worse team than to be the third or second best player in a top team. This makes it harder for smaller teams to keep their top players, and so KD left to the only team that could pay multiple stars well - which of course was a big team. We need to have drafted players not count towards the cap. It doesn't make sense that the warriors big three, drafted and developed in house, is treated the same as the big three that the nets had - just hiring three superstars together.
@Hooperd2023
@Hooperd2023 9 ай бұрын
You gotta speak English, the NBA world doesn’t understand FAX. 💯🔥
@tobiaslimberis9798
@tobiaslimberis9798 8 ай бұрын
Nothing but facts, nba doesn’t want to develop the players they have if they don’t fit whatever is the successfull team, which I think is ridiculous
@quickis35
@quickis35 9 ай бұрын
Harden got fined bc he said he wasn’t going to fulfill the contract HE chose to opt into. If The Sixers lied to you and you don’t want to play for them AND you’re a FA, why would you opt into a contract you don’t want? I love Iggy but he gotta hold his fellow players accountable because stuff like this is messing the league up
@marcusroots5951
@marcusroots5951 9 ай бұрын
Why oubre and wood didn’t get 25 a year this nba 😂
@erikkuria8542
@erikkuria8542 7 ай бұрын
Tune in every time iggy is on the show
@topherklimek2259
@topherklimek2259 9 ай бұрын
The mf'er opted in to his deal, then said he's going to refuse to play for that team right after, and the team should be fined for this? Iggy is out his damn mind.
@dariusjones7006
@dariusjones7006 9 ай бұрын
No one should be sticking up for james harden
@chinoxSD
@chinoxSD 9 ай бұрын
Not necessarily for him but for the future maybe...like let say a MVP caliber player wants a trade he should get it ..
@ImGearsBeast
@ImGearsBeast 9 ай бұрын
@@chinoxSDhow many trades he want? Maybe he should win something first then demand
@realamerican8069
@realamerican8069 9 ай бұрын
@@ImGearsBeastwhen your skilled you can make demands!😮
@goodymob9638
@goodymob9638 9 ай бұрын
​@@realamerican8069his skills are declined, and he's a 4th quarter choker...he doesn't have any leverage anymore
@Rigger_Please
@Rigger_Please 7 ай бұрын
@@goodymob9638Clippers' front office seems to disagree with you, seeing as they traded for him. Perhaps you should apply to become the GM of a NBA team since you seem to know something they don't about player talent. (Harden is still a play-off choke-artist though)
@drop9446
@drop9446 9 ай бұрын
Evan Turner was flabberghased when jj mentionned rudy
@mcclintocksamuel05
@mcclintocksamuel05 9 ай бұрын
Iggy just throwing out that Friday reference haha
@wakojako512
@wakojako512 9 ай бұрын
ESPN should be hiring IGGY to replace PERK.
@Jry088
@Jry088 9 ай бұрын
Dude, it's the player's fault. We see guys requesting trades, and refusing to play, while still getting paid. It's hard to make a trade happen when there are only a few spots the players want to be traded to. Then when the deal doesn't go through the players will throw a tantrum and sabotage the team.
@jlui21
@jlui21 9 ай бұрын
-- players and teams should be fined if the player demands a trade. Someone messed up somewhere. So if a player doesn't want to play and is under contract, then he shouldn't get paid AND pay a (smaller) fine on top of it. The team? They can use some of the player money to offset their fine but will still pay a fine and/or lose a pick -- or get bumped down in their draft pick. IDK, just trying to figure out a penalty for every party.
@dreamcage1801
@dreamcage1801 9 ай бұрын
@@jlui21 players and teams need to be fined more
@TheNickhammond
@TheNickhammond 9 ай бұрын
The problem is I think Harden was lied to a take a discount. Is that ok to do by the managers?
@Justicehillmusic
@Justicehillmusic 9 ай бұрын
These owners OWN the team. How is it not their fault?!
@officialthomasjames
@officialthomasjames 9 ай бұрын
Exactly. Harden opted in because he didn’t get the offers he expected. Now he’s mad the Sixers didn’t offer him the supermax? The market don’t lie.
@MikeTheNBAGuy
@MikeTheNBAGuy 9 ай бұрын
Yeah Iggy, except Harden wasn't lied too, and he admitted it. He was just throwing a public tantrum because that's what he does
@Tehui1974
@Tehui1974 9 ай бұрын
Interesting last comment by Andre. I've never heard it said like that before.
@markied2873
@markied2873 9 ай бұрын
Why would Philly be fined. Harden does to everyone. Philly isn't the first experience
@johnrowland5922
@johnrowland5922 9 ай бұрын
Iggy's whole commentary seems based on the bad assumption that Harden was promised a huge deal in 2022. Harden had a legit bad season in 2021-22 and definitely looked like he was declining (esp in a terrible playoff loss to MIA), and the reporting last summer was 100% consistent that the Sixers weren't interested in offering him a long 4-5 year max. The idea that the Sixers promised that type of long deal a season later--a deal that would begin when he was 34 years old--is a non-starter for them. Would've been crazy of them to do that. If you factor that in, it makes at least as much sense to see Harden's paycut more as a big bet on himself: he thought he would show all the doubters that he was still a boss who could get any contract he wanted, and would also like look a good guy who cared about winning after some rough seasons in HOU and BKN. That sounds more like what James Harden would think than the following sounds like how Daryl Morey would think: 'we, a capped out team that's still short of contending, will destroy all of our short- and long-term flexibility to sign a declining James Harden to a massive deal that runs until he's 38 years old.'
@JamereOfficial
@JamereOfficial 9 ай бұрын
If it was any other player I’d probably side with them but harden has quit on 3 teams and gotten away with it. His actions are going to hurt player negotiations going forward and end up putting greater restrictions on future contracts. They fined him to lowkey help out the players in the long run
@javierlopez5479
@javierlopez5479 9 ай бұрын
Exactly!
@TheNickhammond
@TheNickhammond 9 ай бұрын
So did Durant and Kyrie. The difference is we only hear it’s a problem when it’s Harden.
@kiryu2452
@kiryu2452 9 ай бұрын
I am so sick of idiots like you, seriously how do you live in this world being this dumb. Houston fired his coach and traded Westbrook for the corpse of John Wall. They gave up and Harden isn’t a coward like Dame, he wanted a title and he could see Rockets weren’t going for that anymore. Nets were unstoppable, even after Hardens injury they still would have been unbeatable but there was too much drama there. They hired one of the worst coaches in history and in the second year they didn’t put a good team around them which wouldn’t have mattered so much but Kyrie wouldn’t play. With Kyrie being an unknown and Durant being injured you should go back and look at who Harden was playing with. How dare you say he quit on them when he badly did his hamstring which should have kept him out for 3 months and he went out there on one leg, there was a serious chance he could have done his acl and he still went out there. There was also something wrong with that organisation since all 3 of their stars requested trades. Philly don’t deserve Harden, first Embiid let him down badly, he was awful in the play offs, really awful but no one wants to talk about that. Harden carried that team by himself and they refuse to give him the contract he deserves. They can also get anything for Maxey, he has so much value and they refuse to trade him. You could make a serious big 3 but Maxey is untouchable???? How dumb can a team be. Maxey is a decent player but he lacks so much and he will never be a superstar.
@StayTru101
@StayTru101 9 ай бұрын
@@TheNickhammondfacts
@mr.castle
@mr.castle 9 ай бұрын
​@@TheNickhammondWhataboutism is strong with you f00l. Irving and Durant has a lot of heat for the decisions, that doesn't excuse harden. Mor0n.😂
@michacarolus6571
@michacarolus6571 9 ай бұрын
I always thought about why owners get the trophy before any player touches it. You would never see this in Europe happen.😮
@leoneildy2224
@leoneildy2224 9 ай бұрын
supermax should only activates with the original contracted team. it reverts to max contract team once traded
@ruru6022
@ruru6022 9 ай бұрын
Facts 💯
@thegoats20
@thegoats20 6 ай бұрын
Evan turner’s voice is wild lol
@sirjimssirjims9047
@sirjimssirjims9047 9 ай бұрын
Iggy is acting like there is no possible way james harden is the one lying when we all know how he acts when he doesnt get his way. Wouldnt surprise me if james harden made it up to get what he felt he deserved.
@realamerican8069
@realamerican8069 9 ай бұрын
Stupid comment 😂 delete it!
@kaekae1782
@kaekae1782 9 ай бұрын
Crazy part is even if Morey promised him anything he would probably have it if he didn’t choke in the playoffs AGAIN. all this wouldn’t even be happening 😂
@sirjimssirjims9047
@sirjimssirjims9047 9 ай бұрын
@@kaekae1782 oh yea regardless of who said what there is enough blame to go around for both sides. Could have been handled alot better by the 6ers
@dcsstephens410
@dcsstephens410 9 ай бұрын
The thing I hate about the Rudy argument is u can’t say he’s high impact but his team either doesn’t make the playoffs or loses in the 1st round. And in any of the most important games he has never been the player that made the defining moment of the game.
@JMOP1715
@JMOP1715 9 ай бұрын
Here to vote on the resolution to have Iggy as a recurring member of pod. My vote is, Yea.
@taurusp11
@taurusp11 9 ай бұрын
To say there is no such thing as an overpay I believe is just not true, but iggy made some great points in this video
@wengz717
@wengz717 9 ай бұрын
Iggy pocket watching 👀😂
@partycrasher9660
@partycrasher9660 8 ай бұрын
Exactly
@nellyville69
@nellyville69 9 ай бұрын
Andre is diplomatic
@laurensowilliams737
@laurensowilliams737 9 ай бұрын
That's silly. James Harden's bs is James Harden's bs. Everyone isn't culpable all the time, sometimes these gassed up players think to highly of themselves. This is not secret with James.
@cuisonte
@cuisonte 9 ай бұрын
The rich people union, my least favourite part of NBA players. Specially when they care more for their superstars than the role players situation
@mikewitham1393
@mikewitham1393 9 ай бұрын
Evan Turner is one of my favorite players ever, but he was one of the original over paid players. That contract he got with Portland was… good for him.
@ConorValentine-wo5br
@ConorValentine-wo5br 8 ай бұрын
It’s nothing to do with hardens contract. He opted into a deal then said he wouldn’t play for the team. I’m not surprised by iguodala’s take on this though considering he refused to play for the grizzlies and spent his time on the golf course picking up his salary though
@eyeballs306
@eyeballs306 9 ай бұрын
Andre and JJ = 🔥 🔥 loving it
@imaginationplayground
@imaginationplayground 9 ай бұрын
"I can't prove it but we know ot happened" This is why it writing or no dice, justice system would favor the best liars in this system
@judithpierre3925
@judithpierre3925 9 ай бұрын
I have listened to ALL the Andre clips. Gotta listen to the whole podcast this weekend. ❤❤❤
@bobbobby5541
@bobbobby5541 9 ай бұрын
The only thing I think players lack in commentary is that they refuse to acknowledge a player can be overpaid. The fans want to hear more of the business and in some places, the players don't live up to their contract or are a bad bet.
@Peekul1
@Peekul1 8 ай бұрын
We don't know if he was told that. You all can say he was told that, but you don't know that. Harden was fined for maligning the gm. It's pretty easy to call. The team didn't malign harden and everyone wants him to play. He's not worth the max.
@benw7367
@benw7367 9 ай бұрын
1:04 DAMN! 1:06 Oh.
@KNNYD
@KNNYD 9 ай бұрын
More Iggy! ❤
@mjt7231
@mjt7231 9 ай бұрын
Welcome to the real world of negotiation. People lie all the time. If it’s not written down and signed. Then it’s not a deal.
@xactoly
@xactoly 9 ай бұрын
ET when JJ said Rudy Gobert had a supermax: 😮
@woodyrichmond6543
@woodyrichmond6543 9 ай бұрын
AI threw in the comment that there is no such thing as an overpaid player…which is only true at the time the contract is signed. And this would remain true if the contracts were not guaranteed, as in the NFL. But with a guaranteed contract, you can absolutely get into a situation where a player is overpaid at that moment in time.
@Bonezone84
@Bonezone84 9 ай бұрын
How can you fine a team for something iggy admitted couldn't be proved? C'mon now
@jeremymuir4332
@jeremymuir4332 9 ай бұрын
I can only imagine he meant the team should be fined for Harden's representative behaviour... meaning detrimental to the league rather than for punishing something that can't be proved. You treat them as though they're the same entity. Otherwise you're right, can't fine someone without an established offence.
@mcclintocksamuel05
@mcclintocksamuel05 9 ай бұрын
They said the players get blamed first and foremost. But talking as a lifelong 76ers fan, we don’t hate James Harden as much as we’re frustrated with the front office. The general consensus is that they don’t know what they’re doing. The other teams in the city act like they’re the big market they are but for some the 76ers always feel small time.
@thomasblank2353
@thomasblank2353 9 ай бұрын
if the fans know this and I expect they do, Imagine what the best prospective FA's know, inside scuttlebut. I am betting the 76ers organization is viewed as s dumpser fire tor a decade. Who actually wants to play there? Surely not Damian Lillard. Horrible player development, mostly bad coaches and drafting, and the fans run the players out of town in frustration. The Joel Embiid is this far along on his career and he doesnt make others better is a travesty. IF you want to run the offense through your best player he MUST be a good passer. He doesnt have to be jokic, a lamcus adridge level passer would make him the best player in the league. As it is he might be top 5. All the greats had to be good passers, the 76ers dont need a 7; kobe Briant, IF Embiid were a more skilled Tim Duncan, he would be a much better Impact. His passing vision needs work, not his one on two game.
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