FACTS!!!

I actually disagree. Whoever has to play the character Draco has to be like a spoiled pretty boy having been raised in such a posh pretty boy-ish family. That on top of the fact that most girls/women love a really good bad boy and if said ladies wee coming from an abusive relationship would still defend their abusive oppressors' of men as "misunderstood" and is a "pretty good guy actually". They are like that for Draco for that very reason. Jus' sayn' jus' sayn'

The same with Snape

But people still say that..

@@gamingchinchilla7323 Draco in book was never described as pretty. Rich doesn’t mean pretty. Draco was described as thin and pale with grey eyes, mean face. Tom Felton made fans love Draco character

Narcissa wasn't redeemed either. Supporting Voldemort just wasn't her priority, never was. Her family was always first for her. Supporting him aligned with her family's beliefs. However, the moment he threatened her family, she was done with him. She was still a racist and classist, she just wasn't going to let someone harm her loved ones.

I don't agree with that at all. Everything Narcissa did was to protect her son and possibly her family in general. She wasn't trying to protect Harry or anyone else

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But she only did that to protect her son who has been established to be bad and evil. So therefor the act was not good and can not count as a redemption. She didn’t lie for Harry because she thought Harry was right and should win. She lied for Harry because she thought Harry was the only way her son could live. She did all of that out of fear, not out of the desire to do what’s right.

@@diabolicallink I 100% agree

When? Because he got clapped by the Dementors?

@@newhybrid101no in a deleted scene he says to harry that he doesn’t think he’s a waste of space and shakes his hand

Well, he realized that he was grateful to Harry that for saving his life.

And in the books he makes him a cup of tea that Harry thought was a booby trap

@@lord.liberty I love that part 😔😔

I agree with everything you say also when the situation got serious he wanted to back out

I know, he is literally a spoilt racist coward who treated people appallingly unless he wanted something from them. Trying to find a decent, let alone admirable, person under all of his filth is like trying to look for a heart of gold in a dumpster truck. You're not going to find it.

Not true. He didn't "do nothing" in the Battle of Hogwarts. He attempted to capture Harry for Voldemort there, but somehow got shown up by Crabbus and Goylehead.

​@Nemo12417 that wasnt crabbe it was blaize

​@@hasicazulatv2078that was only in the movies, in the books, it actually was crabbe. No offense tho😊

True- but he wasn’t even supposed to be pretty.

​@@Dijo_Plays Neither were Hermione or many other key characters of the series. Even JKR herself said in an interview towards the trio "you are all too good looking". It's just a standard of the film industry to cast especially good looking people, even if their characters are supposed to look average or even ugly. The industry thinks people wouldn't watch movies and series with average looking actors, and this claim is had to prove or disprove, because almost all movies and series only cast good looking actors. Personally i would like seeing more average looking actors, especially if their characters are not supposed to look extremely good. It would just increase the immersion for me, because nowhere in real life you will ever see so much good looking people in one place at a time - if its not some beauty contest. To be fair, when casting child actors, it's always hard to tell how they gonna look when they grow up. But they also did the same with the adult actors, Lupin for example is supposed to look really shabby. I'd say that even the CGI modified Voldemort looks "to good". If you read the books you imagine a really disfigured individual, especially after he got his artificial body in GoF, which made him look even more snake-like. This would also help reinforcing the contrast with this youth as the good looking Tom Riddle. With the exception of the nose, Voldemorts design in the first movie nails the original book description more than his post-GoF design.

He isn't pretty in my opinion. But I still feel bad for him. He sucks bc of his dad.

When in fact, Draco was deacribed in the books in the more unflattering way.

@@LegioXXI They all looked average kids in first movie tho

Reminds me of most anime villains and useful people IRL.

Not a fangirl... But Draco should have like a lower sentence. He didnt want to be a Death Eater and was scared of most. The only reason he wanted to kill Dumbly Dore was because his life and his families life were threatened. Lucius? go to hell

​@@vivaansingh6541clearly you didn't pay attention to the video he did want to be a death eater. He may of been scared of them that doesn't mean he didn't want to be one.

@@vivaansingh6541 Did you not watch the video? He totally wanted to be a Death Eater, it just didn't play out like he expected.

Well money can cover people's eyes

@@katey-abigailroks9068, He did. He was bullied from age 1 by the Dursleys, and bullied at school. Draco was pampered and had a loving mother and a proud (of Draco) father.

That is false.

@@Potterhead_73explain don’t just say false you don’t prove your point by doing that.

Yes exactly. That just proves that everyone who tries to make characters like Draco or Snape, to be ''tragic anti-heroes'' is wrong. Harry literally had the most shit upbringing out of all characters in the series and he didn't turn out nearly as bad as these characters.

@@Potterhead_73What makes it false.

And the same goes for Neville.

I'd disagree there, they are individuals with individual and unique situations. It's not fair to compare them so directly

@@Rosyandguildy What did Draco went through that was comparable to Harry. Harry grew up in a house hold of very abusive guardians that hated him, what did Draco went through that was anywhere near comparable to

And Harry also had to witness many people die when he was younger than 18. His own godfather was killed in front of him.

@@Indigo_1001 YES exactly! + Draco’s parents LOVED HIM they were NOT abusive

😂😂😂

Was that a threat?!?!!

Lmao

​@@comicalcosmonaut959 nah, just the ferret start learn to speak

@@comicalcosmonaut959 Professor Moody! Professor!

Agreed. When death eaters were torturing innocent muggles post Qudittich world cup (Draco's father being in on that), Draco was delighted, but when Voldemort was threatening him and his family then he became supporting of Harry (and only in that 1 instance of Malfoy Manor). Completely selfish behaviour.

Also he didn’t identify Harry because he is a coward. He didn’t want to take responsibility for voldy to arrive and something bad happening and being the one to blame

Me 2

Considering he was hoping she would be killed in Chamber of Secrets

Agreed. Draco would need to go through a heck of a lot to even get into Hermione’s good books as she is shown to have quite a vindictive side, holding grudges over petty things like the HBP book. Even then, I doubt she would ever see him as a potential romantic partner. But that’s the nature of fanfics and ship wars unfortunately.

They are not shipping the books/movie versions of them. The whole Dramione ship is based on fanfictions of how they imagine the story could have gone, if only.... (add whatever kind of "if only" story you wanna create for them)

EXACTLY 💯

same

I mean, that's just the thing. He didn't *have* a redemption. He had a few moments where he wasn't actively making things worse due to some conflicted feelings. So of course if you judge what he did by whether it was a good or bad redemption, it'd be a horrible one. It's like saying "Palpatine's redemption was atrocious." And mind you, none of this is me poking at you specifically. The term's been thrown around so many times it's become something of a mandela effect that he ever had one in the first place.

Yeah, because it wasn't in tended to be a redemption at all... that's why it doesn't work as a redemption story.

This exactly draco only slowly started to change by the end of the story he wasn't redeemed by the time the war was over but i could totaly see him being completely over his spoiled brat pureblood mania bullcrap once he got older since he knows what it feels like to be on the brutal end of it

EXACTLY THANK YOU! She cannot make up her mind! I never understood why ppl liked Draco until the Cursed Child. But he was amazing in it and his character is one of the only good things (imo) about that garbage play. Though I’ll admit, I wish she started to show it in the main books so we could see him gradually getting better instead of just the aftermath and CC. He was a disgusting person as a kid and not ‘misunderstood’ or ‘suffering’ as some people claim. There were no excuses for his actions. But JKR did give him a redemption arch idk why she keeps insisting she didn’t.

@belladriggers8210 I always thought that people wanted to give him the character development they wanted her to write. The kinda people who liked Draco were definitely the I can change him sort. At least, that's my opinion as a former Draco fan boy myself.

​@@TheXxDaRkRoSeXx true i definitely don't think it was a redemption arc but more just a realistic reality slap to draco face After all imagine you get told from birth you're basicly better then anyone then your nazi family actively encourages your behaviour But once what happens what you thought you wanted is actually horrible and you realise how wrong everything is especially with your family at the recieving end of it From there draco slowly could work to being a actually good person By the time the battle of hogwarts ends he isn’t redeemed but i can totaly see draco be redeemed by the time his son is born

@@satan3862 yeah I totally agree with that.

Jo's comments were specifically referring to the 7 books. And while he grew as a character across the 20 years between DH and CC it doesn't redeem him at all and he never became friends with the trio especially Ron who has never forgiven. At best they were allies with a common cause.

Just because they don’t deserve it doesn’t mean they can’t change lol if every human ever was forced to stand trial for every thing they did as a 12 year old the world would look a lot different… should he be remembered as a saint? Absolutely not but saying he showed no growth by the end isn’t fair

​@@bagz919er8They did not say that. They said Draco is not redeemed.

@@SharlizeLynDraco fans are always quick to defend him but never actually read what people say.

@@takirarucker7613 facts. They are so blinded to the point where they lose all their comprehension skills

He also scaring Hermione on first scene on Goblet of fire

Ugh.

It’s giving he’s racist but I can change him

@@takirarucker7613 FR

Yeah he said many times that Hermione should have died especially in the books. Because of her being mudblood

I think that’s part of it, but it doesn’t explain the young Draco fans who are still going crazy over Draco, while Tom doesn’t look like Draco anymore. I think they come from abusive families, and/or are attracted to cute bad boys (Crabbe and Goyle don’t have that rabid fan base).

The Handsome face change people's perception

@@SuziQ. "Crabbe and Goyle don't have that rabid fan base" dude you proved your own point. Come on.

@@SuziQ.that’s because Tom Felton looks better that Crabbe and Goyle so obviously he would have a fan base because he is a attractive bad boy were as the other two aren’t.

That’s very true but personally I still dislike Percy very much

@@HarryPotterFan745me too but at the end of the day we tend to forgive family and Percy is family.

​@@HarryPotterFan745that's fine But he was much much better than draco

​@@occheermommyand he redeemed himself He left ministry and risked his life to fight in Hogwarts battle

I love both of them!

Also Voldemort would have kill him with thinking one second

Think I recall him saying to harry (at least in the films) in the room of requirement before all hell broke loose, he got the wand from his mother. The real question is, who's wand did Narcissa have? I don't recall seeing either of her hands carrying a wand..

In a commentary, it was said that they filmed a bunch of different ways for that scene to go, eventually settling on what the Voldemort actor improvised, actually surprising Tom Felton with that hug. That scene of him tossing a wand was just one of many choices they filmed - not the original script or anything like that. Besides, that's the movie, not the book.

​@matthewpatrick7263 why they didn't delete the Draco hug scene I'll never get. I know that book voldemort and movie voldemort are basically different characters, which can be said as well for a lot of characters, but this is essentially wizard hitler, hugging a child of a family he sneered at and hates.

@@fornax5798 Because that take is the one the director liked.

I wouldn't say he had a change of heart, but that his dark side weakened enough to stop supporting Voldemort, and prevent him from becoming a full on dark wizard

There's a lot to discuss when it comes to him not wanting Voldemort to win. He has proven himself a coward multiple times. I'll give just one example. He only ever bullied those he considered less powerful but he wasn't so daring when it comes to his equals or superiors. It makes sense to wonder did Draco not want the Dark Lord to win because Draco actually wasn't that bad or simply because he was afraid how things would play out for him afterwards.

@@desdemonadelaney to put it simply I think he’s bad but not evil

@@hamdialihassan1048 i agree on that

I love how shocked people were when Tom took the House quiz and got Gryffindor. You have to be pretty brave to play such an iconic villian. Because a lot of people don't understand the line between fiction and reality...😢

People are delulu af about him...

genuinely the best comment on a yt video i've read in a long time.

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I think he did that in retaliation to DA cursing him at end of Book 5, although it basically was self defense.

too bad nobody find the cursed child canon 😭

@@staryxmoonlit that rubbish should not be canon at all

There’s nothing in your comment to suggest any universe in which he has a redemption arc.

I agree Ash. JK is contradicting herself a bit here. Even before Cursed Child existed, she stated he succeed in being a better father than his own and to raise his son better. Cursed Child supported this even more. Put the cannon debate for it aside. If we are just going by what the creator said, then Draco becoming a better person is in fact cannon supported by her statements and the Cursed Child that she says is cannon. She then can't turn around and say he didn't become better at all. Maybe you can say this for the main series, but even if it took a while, he clearly did make an improvement on himself as an adult. She should at least make more of a distinction about him in the main series as a kid verses as a parent.

@@user-tsukiko2023 I don't think it's canon but Rowling says it's canon and she is author

lol if only 99.9% of the comment section would agree with anything The Cursed Child says, especially on a MovieFlame video

The staging is really good and the characterisation of Scorpius is great. It’s a fun time. The script alone is not how you are supposed to experience it.

Agreed

I wish this comment was higher up because it’s true! They say believe what JKR says but oh neglect CC because they personally don’t like it. Either everything JKR says is canon or not, you don’t get to pick and choose which canons are true depending on what narrative argument you want to win.

Come on CC is terrible and goes against Harry’s personality horribly. Also I firmly believe that she said it is cannon because MONEY!!!! So I get why people kind of write it off as not canon.

@@_koky_ What a stupid thing to say, that people who only watched the movies can't be real fans of Harry Potter series. Movies are ALWAYS different, because it is impossible to include every single thing from books. The authors give permission to people who write the screenplays to have the power to change things as they need. Rowling wasn't even part of the movie making that much, that is just how things work. Movie Draco was not as bad as Book Draco (though he was still mean) and you people either accept that or you don't. With your logic I could say that why do you all even bother watching the movies if you are gonna get mad at every little thing they change. Draco being softened a bit for the movies is not the only thing that differs from the books.

⁠@@_koky_ Stop with the gatekeeping…

@@ntiadictedbut people who have only seen the movies AREN’T real Harry Potter fans. You’re inherent differences argument is sound, but some things the movies did WERE inexcusable, like the Harry/Hermione propaganda and the entire sixth movie. Btw, there are some of us who refuse to watch the movies.

@@Marinefan4000 Wow you sound like Draco Malfoy 😅 Thinking you are better than the ones who only watched the movies 😉 Moviefans are not real fans but bookfans are. How cocky can a person be to say that!

the book purists tyranny needs to stop😊

Thank you! This is what I kinda write in the comments. Also it's fiction, they don't exist. Never has. I think I'm more tired of all the fuss, can't people just chill? 😇

@@user-sy5wj2ln9u Yep, I don't understand these people. It's so easy - if don't like it, ignore it, why do you care so much about what other people like or don't like.

Yeah I think at best you can say he wasn’t a full psychopath like daddy and auntie Bella. Otherwise horrible person

Zuko wasn't even bad,he was foolish

Azula is a better comparison. Though the writers very clearly characterized her as someone who only acted like a monster because she thought it's the only reliable way to keep control, not because she actively enjoyed it

I agree. And the thing is that he COULD have been the Zuko, but Rowling chose to not write him that way. He did not actively try to redeem himself and seek forgiveness like Zuko did.

​@tiodorstojanov3100 I loved Zuko fun he was a nice and well done charecter. Malfoy, however was just a stupid b7lly

Yes!! I think fans think that whatever happened to Zuko, (like treated badly by his father) is the same exact thing Draco experience which was not!! Omg I love Tom felton’s Draco but yeah he’s pretty lame in the books lol

YESSS!!! I HATE DRACO! AND I LOVE TOM FELTON (Not in a weird way lol) BUT IT DOESNT MEAN THAT I LIKE TOM FELTON THAT I LIKE DRACO BC I HATE HIMMMMMM

​@@favourezeh2011he should be hated

Like Gaston?

@@hiswayservicesblog9288 who?

he didn’t really do anything good though so

​@@urfavgenhe wasn't good, because he wasn't really intended to be I think. I think it just showed his commitment to lily's memory and how much he loved her that he put his life in danger. Now whether it is love or just blatant stalking and creepy is another can of worms.

Well Said

Harry was raised worse. He had an even bigger reason to become a bully but he didn’t.

And also, the things he didn’t not do those things because he was good, it was because he cowered. He was too scared to do it.

@Hello19418 Worse is subjective. Harry was raised much better. Not kindly, yet better. People are products of their environment. Harry was ignored most of the time with the Dursleys. It allowed him the chance to develop his on personality and morality. Draco was denied that luxury. Instead, Draco was constantly infused with his father's hatred and prejudice and reflected it. And did Harry not also show some bullying tendencies as well? Especially in the books?

@Hello19418 Cowardice is seen in both the good and the evil. It has its purpose. Draco had a better reason than most to be a coward. Would you have chosen any differently with the threat of death to your family by someone who has proven they would follow through with the threat. Is it cowardice or bravery to protect your mother? Was it cowadice to marry Astoria Greengrass?

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That doesn't count at all. Lucius was desperate to protect his family, so he basically HAD to pull Draco to look at Harry.

This. This right here.

Okay you lost me at the Harry/Hermione comment. She never said that. Nor did she say that Ron should have died. Your opinion lost all value the moment you said that. Draco is the perfect example of a coward who wanted things the easy way. A spoilt rich brat bullying those powerless than him. He never wanted to become good, he just wanted himself and his family safely from working with Voldemort further as well avoid geeting caught as war criminals by the good guys.

@@kavishbedi9281 She said what I mentioned in an interview with Emma Watson and another interview with Daniel Radcliffe. So if you want to cite sources to disprove these interviews as fake then please be my guest, otherwise your opinion lost all value the moment you said that. I never said Draco wasn't a rich coward. I also never said he is good. Is it possible for you to fathom a bad person and them doing good things coexisting? Or are you in the belief bad people only do bad things for the rest of their lives similar to good people only capable of good?

I don't even think that really qualifies as a redeeming moment. Even at his death Snape was never looking at Harry. He was looking at Lilly's Ghost through Harry's eyes.

Dude ur so real for this ... Snape and Draco are just overrated. Like really really overrated!!!

Snape and Draco are not on remotely the same level. Snape spent 17 years working to defeat Voldemort. The best the Draco defenders can point to is that he didn't do something at a couple of key points.

Snape redeemed himself for sure. He was Dumbeldore's double-spy and did give his life to defeat Voldemort. That was no oversight, Snape knew Voldemort was going to kill him thinking it was necesary to truly be the master of the Elderwand.

Meanwhile James Pottet was as bad, the spoiled rich pureblood Gryfindor kid that gets away with everything!

So happy it got deleted. Snape hugging Lily's body was cheap enough...

Have a good day

Same goes with Snape, more people need to realise he was also a bad person. I hope Movie Flame covers him in a video, because there's still a lot of people online who defend Snape.

@@Valdaur Agree 💯. Snape was brave & great double agent! But doesn't change the fact that he was a horrible person. People even say Snape is greater than Dumbledore. Like wtf 😒 ... Snape wouldn't even exist or had redemption if Dumbledore hadn't trusted him & gave a chance .

Agreed

@@Dr.MonicaNaikagreed. I get in word wars with people on here all the time about this. They try to tell me Snape is not a bad person because he did it for love and yada yada yada. I basically tell them that he did what he did out of guilt and while he thought he did it for love, it was really closer to an obsession for Lilly.

@@occheermommy Imagine all the horrors that Snape committed before the turned against Voldemort for personal reasons. He didn't turn against Voldemort because he realized what he was doing was wrong. Voldemort simply targeted the one person that Snape cared anything about. If Voldemort had killed James, stunned Lily and killed Harry, Snape would've been happy.

The book is the source material. It is what the author wanted you to think and the OG. And a good adaptation must be loyal to the source material. You can't just put your own ideas in it .

@@HarryPotter-zn5dmyou can always put a little bit of originality into sources. If you do everything the exact same way as in the books piece by piece then it’s just going to get boring, now obviously they need to keep the big important stuff in but that’s about it.

​@@grudgematch6653Well if the movies were a little more leaned towards the books and took more lines and story from the books . The movie wouldn't have been that boring though. I used to love watching the Harry Potter movies watched it bunch of times but, after reading the books I hardly watch them anymore

A coward.

Same goes with Snape coming to Godric's Hollow and hugging Lily's body while Harry was crying in the crib. Total BS. He only asked for Lily to be saved, and didn't care about Harry or James dying at all.

@@khajiitqueen6429 , True. I liked Alan Rickman, but I hated Snape (though not as much as Umbridge).

Fax

Agreed, I don’t understand dramione shippers. I truly believe people ship dramione so much because of the actors who played them. I think the main reason that people like dramione so much is because of Emma Watson having a crush on Tom when they were younger.

If you think people doing that for racists is bad then don't look at how many fan letters serial killers receive.

I think it's a shame how much the Romione ship has faded. Dramione and Harmione are just weird to me

@@ethans9379 Right?

Also i think people should just be allowed to have their fun as long as its not harmful its a bit mean to call people out for putting their on spin on a character they see and enjoy

@@jacobrobertson7058, It is harmful when young girls idealize a villain, just because he was a cute child.

I hate Fudge with a passion

I have no idea I don’t like jk tbh with you she has some pretty horrendous beliefs herself. However I do like Harry Potter

And yet JK Rowling loves James Potter and favours him all the time.

@@paulyb7267 yep even though he bullied someone as a child grant it he grew out of that behavior but only because he wanted lily.

Yeah. Goes to show you that if your pretty, beautiful or handsome people will still like you even if you do some pretty awful things. Man pretty privilege is a fucking cancer.