Joe Flower Explains Healthcare Economics In 5 Minutes

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Joe Flower

Joe Flower

13 жыл бұрын

(For more on what's behind the healthcare headlines, go to www.ImagineWhatIf.com)
Healthcare Econ 101: Why it costs so much, yet we still don't get what we want and need-better healthcare that is cheaper.
Joe: First rule of economics: people do what you pay them to do.
Second rule of economics: people do exactly what you pay them to do. They really notice what it is. I’m sure that all of you know exactly what can get you fired, in some detail. And you know exactly what you can do in your jobs to really advance in your jobs, get better at it, make sure of a promotion, make sure they keep you on. You’re very, very clear on that.
Well, so is everyone in the healthcare system. So are the doctors, the nurses, the hospitals, the device manufacturers, the pharmacy manufacturers-they’re very clear on what we’re paying them to do. If we’re not getting them the results that we want, it’s because we’re not clear on what we’re paying them to do.
So, let’s look at Healthcare Econ 101.
Traditional economics, we start with a buyer and a seller. I want to buy a rug, I go to the marketplace, there’s all these guys selling rugs. I haggle with them. If his price is too high, his quality is too low, I go to this guy over here and we come to some kind of agreement. Right? No problem. So, the market is-it’s what people talk about [as] a free market, where it’s kind of self-leveling. We arrive at what the actual value of that rug is in this market, at this time.
Now what happens if you have an insurance supported, fee-for-service system?
See, that actually names what we’re paying them for.
If I go to a restaurant, am I paying someone to fry things or to put ice in them? No, I’m paying for a meal. I don’t care what they do back there to prepare it-a lot about it I [probably] don’t know how to do-but I’m paying for a meal.
This is not what we’re doing. We’re paying fee-for-service.
Now what happens in that fee-for-service system?
Well, the first thing is the buyer gets split in two. The entity that’s paying for it becomes different from whoever that’s choosing it. What we’re saying-yes, we need an MRI here, we need a new hip, we-is not the person who is actually paying for that. Insurance supported, fee-for-service system.
But there’s something-there’s a little complication.
Who’s doing the choosing?
It’s the patient and the provider, together. My doctor and I are doing the choosing, and someone else is paying for it. Or at least paying for most of it.
But there’s another complication to this. What’s this?
The seller is also the provider. So, the doctor’s also a salesman, in the sense that they’re selling their time-they’re doing fee-for-service-and they’re helping me make the choices.
So, the usual feedback loops of a free market system, are not there. A lot of these changes that we’re seeing in the insurance system are attempts to put at least some of that feedback loop back in, so that the person making the decision have at least some of the payment. They have to do some of the payment themselves so we begin to do rational economic decisions, instead of just making them up out of thin air with the advice of the people who are actually going to do the service for us.
So, it’s a very complicated problem.
We try to control cost the entire time-and I’ve been in healthcare for 30 years-and I started around the time that they began trying to do various cost controls and basically, these cost controls have not worked. There is no evidence that we have controlled cost at all over all these years.
So, what cost controls looked like over those many years-there’s been various, lots of different ways of controlling unit cost. We will only pay you so much to see a patient. We will only pay you so much for this drug.
What happens-suppose you’re selling TVs. What happens if the market dictates in some way that the amount that you can charge on this TV is depressed? You can’t charge as much. What are you going to do?
Woman: Sell more.
Joe: Sell more. You’re going to make it up on volume. What’s the other thing that you’re going to do? You’re going to upsell. “You ma’am do not look like the type of person who could use a mere TV. You need a whole entertainment system! Five-sided sound! We got bass cabinets the size of a mini-bus for you.” You know? And you pay like $5800 for this huge thing.
Does that sound like something that we’re doing in healthcare?
Now, many of the new things that we can do that we couldn’t do twenty, thirty years ago, are very helpful. But not all of them. Some of them are not. And we don’t really have a mechanism in place for saying what is helpful and what’s not.
The executives of the companies that you work in. the healthcare executives are being asked to do something they have no experience in doing. They have no training in it. They barely know what it means. They have difficulty seeing their way from where they sit, that they can do this: controlling system cost.

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@aziaprovine
@aziaprovine 8 жыл бұрын
Simply loved this video! Very informative, accurate, and an action-driven message. I am passionate about both Economics and Healthcare. This video spoke to my heart to say the very least. With the current Healthcare wave being Rural vs. Urban, this information is timely and valuable. Most healthcare consumers with little to no knowledge at all should appreciate this message if they are willing to not become victimized by the monopolist within the healthcare marketplace. Thank you. Azia Provine
@LLJerseyGirl
@LLJerseyGirl 9 жыл бұрын
Joe...I came across this video and it is greatly appreciated. I'm in week two of a seven week online health care economic course and you just helped me feel less anxious. Thank you! ~LindaLee
@ninjawarrior_1602
@ninjawarrior_1602 4 жыл бұрын
May i know where is that online course
@kmcneil6
@kmcneil6 6 жыл бұрын
Very informative, , I am new to US healthcare and it is great to get a better understanding of why costs are so exorbitant - In the UK we have universal healthcare and I did not appreciate what I had till I came here. I am a clinician myself so don't use my healthcare as much for minor issues, but already feel hesitant to go to a doctor for fear of huge bills!! Doing a MSc in Healthcare administration and your videos are giving me a lot of food for thought!!! love them.
@snsh5293
@snsh5293 3 жыл бұрын
I have just started this course and would really appretiate if u could share ur experience and what ur current work is like !?
@kmcneil6
@kmcneil6 3 жыл бұрын
Sn Sh it was really interesting, and informative. it was so long ago i’ve almost finished my masters now.
@user-ze3sg6ix1u
@user-ze3sg6ix1u 6 ай бұрын
And the NIH have long wait times, same here in Canada. You get what you pay for
@joanondari4484
@joanondari4484 6 жыл бұрын
Would you encourage one to do an Msc. in Health Economics???
@JoeFlower
@JoeFlower 9 жыл бұрын
Patrick, thanks for your comment. Unfortunately, you've almost completely misunderstood what I am saying. Healthcare is not now a free market. That is one of the problems. Choosers lack the information they need in order to choose well. The moment you are having a stroke is way past the moment of choosing your healthcare. What is keeping healthcare from being a free market can be changed enough and is being pushed in some markets by some actors, to make sure the costs for the consumer/chooser go down, which is the main point of all of my arguments. I invite you to my site, www.ImagineWhatIf.com and to read my upcoming book: Handbook for the Revolutionary: Changing Healthcare Overnight if you want to contribute to this conversation. There is a lot to do to make healthcare better, faster, and much cheaper, and no time to be wasted.
@udaynataraaj2390
@udaynataraaj2390 Жыл бұрын
Very very very informative
@monaoconnell5650
@monaoconnell5650 Жыл бұрын
"Upselling" still goes on in health care.
@jeorte1
@jeorte1 6 жыл бұрын
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@timothyeria1738
@timothyeria1738 6 ай бұрын
Sure
@DeoanandGeer
@DeoanandGeer 6 жыл бұрын
I HAVE ASSIGNMENT FOR MPH CLASSESON HEAL FINANCING ..GROUP WORK ...THESE VIDEOS ARE HELPING .
@GodWasAnAlien
@GodWasAnAlien 6 жыл бұрын
Do not agree with this. Part of healthcare, just like any sort of service industry, is proper diagnostics and treatment. Part of fixing the problem is finding it. Not guess at the problem and throw medication at it. Where healthcare strays from the normal market is the prices are set based on perceived value of knowledge and skill based on a post-graduate education, and very little in the way of verification that the professional a)actually retained a decent education b)actually is in the industry for the right reasons of helping people, and has any drive to expound upon that education and observe his patients and treatments and learn from his mistakes. c)that the education he received contained a well rounded curriculum of health and nutrition in addition to biology and pharmaco studies. There are plenty of terrible doctors out there, drug pushers who know pharmaceuticals like the back of their hand but will still try to give you antibiotics for mold exposure, and steroids for everything. Cancer is a disease as old as the Sicilian Hills, and they still can't figure that one out, huh? More people have cured themselves of their own cancer than helped by the industry. Take this lecture back to the 20th century where it belongs, before people knew better.
@mckernan603
@mckernan603 9 жыл бұрын
Health care is not a free market and never will be (what's autonomous and non-coerced about paying for help after a stroke?), yet Mr. Flower offers a justification for jacking up the cost to the consumer/chooser with an appeal to the "free market," as if anyone wants that.
@user-ze3sg6ix1u
@user-ze3sg6ix1u 6 ай бұрын
Yes it is, no one is justifying "jacking up the cost". The free market brings costs DOWN. And last i checked the Natherlands and Switzerland have a feee market healthcare system
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