I'm not mad at Joe, but it seems like Louie is talking about a level of self-absorption to someone who's pretty self-absorbed - albeit in his pursuit of optimal performance/ health by all means necessary and available

One talking about fulfillment while the other is talking about dopamine

My first impression was exactly

Accurate. Louie is trying to be polite because he sees that Joe is not getting it. He wants to end the show on good terms with Joe, probably because Joe could have a negative effect on his career just by saying nothing. There's a point where Louie laughs and it's a moment in conversations I tend to dread. You see that the nature of the discussion can't allow you to disclose what's necessary for the interlocutor to receive any form of enlightenment and the interlocutor's position is such that they have a massive blindspot that demands they never look there. The closest analogy is being out on a date with a person you like and you're pretty sure they're interested in you, but if you reveal it too early, they have to stop showing you they like you because too much will happen too quickly. So you believe that they don't like you and stop signalling interest which makes them think you're a lost cause so they give up or reclassify you as a friend and now you're stuck even though you both really liked each other to begin with. I like the idea of Joe looking back on this video and seeing what he didn't see here, but he's very much like a shark. I don't think he goes back over old things to watch his own progression.

Joe Rogan's best talent is to stfu and let the guests talk. He forgets that sometimes.

He's not wrong

​@@Frank_Reynolds__.He is tho. No conversation is pointless because the point is what ever you want it to be. It's like saying waking up every day is pointless because one day the sun will run out of Hydrogen and consume the earth. Any moment in time is as important or non important as you choose to see them.

and he is correct

98%

@@robertstone9988 you’re so deep Robert 🤣

@markasread4349 lmao 🤣

hot hot shower same almost as sauna

@@fitnesspoint2006Except Joe can afford a sauna, and forgets other people can't.

​@@squamish4244I found a gym that charges $20 a month with an awesome sauna.

​@@fitnesspoint2006shower water doesn't get as hot as 160-180 degrees. Not the same.

Oopsies 😂

Excellent observation 😂

You think this was on accident? Louis CK is a comedian known for not being able to say what's on his mind. He knew what he was doing.

That's total nonsense, there's a difference between wacky stuff like dmt and conspiracies versus the 50 grand you spent taking dmt.

Louis didn't misread anything. YOU misread where Louis was going.

He kept thinking Louis was saying cold plunges don’t improve your state of mind. I see how a rich famous man would find his trips to gyms challenging, but Joe seems to think he’s going above and beyond the rest of mankind’s efforts by “taking care of his physical body”. People simply don’t have the time or money to. If you live in the ghetto in Detroit your “cold plunge” is stepping out your front door.

It is possible to live as Joe prescribed, to prioritize health. But life will just be health and work. No time to slow down or rest, or be intentionally wasteful.

Haha, love joe but couldn't have written it any better

Reminds me of howards stern and making fun of robin quivers' fascination with high colonics.

Talk to a guy who works the docks of works in an oil refinery about cold plunges and saunas Hah

Except he's entirely wrong. Russians and Skandinavians have a very long history of doing both cold plunges and saunas. This isn't anything fancy its how people USED to live. To Louie CK "you're not standing on the Earth anymore.", if you're not a dumb american working a slave job and having 40% of your income taxed and not even having enough money to support a normal household let alone some luxuries that would support your health.

Louis CK doesn't look like someone who is standing on earth and living in real life.

We overcame Earth. Check Maslow's Hyerarchy of Needs

Like, actually?

@@hyugashikamaru3596He is not either. But he said that.

"Immediately Proceeds To Say The Answer To Rich People Not Having Enough Problems Is More Brown People"

"While also being wildly out of touch himself"

Louis is out of touch, if he thinks open borders for the USA is a good idea. Many people died for the United States to be as comfortable as we are. Such a shame. He is just not thinking.

​@bigol9223 Except it seems that would make them even richer still. We've got a long way to go and I'm not sure we're headed in the right direction.

And then proceeds to tell Joe they should have completely open borders. Obnoxious coming from a millionaire

"Oh shit, they're cutting off all our heads today!"

That's such nonsenes. God I can't stand this nonsense. If you work construction etc, hearing a bout something like a cold plunge is amazing. And believe it or not plenty of us live in cold climates where we can't exercise outside most of the winter because we're not rich enough to live somewhere that isn't cold. What drives me nuts is the implication that just because you don't have a lot of money means you somehow have none. If you value a thing you can make it work.

No, you can't "make it work". There are situations so dire, you could not imagine them. And that's just in America. In other countries, there are situations that, not only can you not imagine them, they are unfathomable to the people in them.​@@dixonhill1108

@@dixonhill1108 Right on!! Reality check... I can't believe the whiney-ass m-f'ers on this thread complaining about how they can't buy a bag of ice because they are so poor and broke. We get it. Your lives are horrible. You want to see broke? Go to Gaza. Go to Ghana. Go to about 120 other countries where your working class life would be considered a luxury. And then go take a cold shower with your indoor plumbing and chill out.

No doubt and if you’re feeling especially tough get a good fan blowing so when you get out and just let the fan dry you off. In your air conditioned house you’ll definitely have triggered that shiver response and if your not homeless it’s an option

And if you're homeless, just jump in the ocean and let the wind give the shiver response! @@18618madeinamerica

I agree. There are ways of achieving these things. It just comes down to if someone really wants to or not. @@18618madeinamerica

@@18618madeinamerica maybe after all of this i will just be dead of the pneumonia cause i cant afford to go to a doctor

You don't have Healthcare? You must live in the USA. Someone once told me that the US is the "Greatest country in the world;" But then they stepped into the doctors office in the next moment to pick up their anti-depression meds...💊

Totally agree

True

The morbidly obese guy? Oh yeah im sure we can learn a lot from his wisdom lol Dont get me wrong he is hilarious but if you wanna follow his life advice, go ahead.

But what he said about saunas was incorrect.

@Ryan88881 what? Can you elaborate on that? If you're saying Joe was wrong about saunas, then yes you're right. I don't see a correlation between saunas and being healthy. My ukrainian friends go to sauna all the time. They're still alcoholic dumbasses lol

I guess Fear is not a Factor for Joe Rogan anymore

This the same guy that just said we should open the border because problems are normal.

Yeah, normal people NEVER have access to cold water. 🤦‍♂

I take cold showers.

​@@get8bit cold plunges are the dumbest fucking, guru spitting, nonsense bullshit thing I've ever seen. It's just so fucking lame and cringey and a waste of fucking money.

It’s not that expensive to fill a tub with ice

So you can't fill up your bathtub, and fill it up with 2 bags of ice that you can get at the gas station? There are still ways to achieve these things lol. Cracks me up.

Need to rethink your priorities. That's what man of the ppl joe rogan told me.

Sell the truck and get the sauna, it’s obviously more important 😂

Awesome comment. Joe loves talking about his 101 ridiculously priced rides. Money is so ridiculously distributed.

The local YMCA has a sauna. Are you saying a working person can't afford the YMCA?

​@utubecomandante YOUR local ymca has a sauna, mine has a colony of rats living in it.....don't be such an ignorant donut

I d understand ppl like Joe on the issue you're adressing, since many many ppl out there talk horseshit left and right, even ppl who i admire because of their actions, eventhough having their hearts in the right place, ppl like Joe, with or without the brains, ppl who are ignorant to what ppl has to offer, they escape the nonsense thru cultivating themselves, but also they develop a rampant rejection to almost 90% of other ppl s input in the process. I think it's a coward, self absorbed, and shallow life unworthy of living, no matter how much comfort or gains it brings on a sensational, healthy-wise, or intelectual level. But as i said before, i understand where they're coming from, and what triggers such a desicion. I also may be wrong in some point about the way i view things, but thats what ive felt thru dealing with ppl on the streets from all sorts, the way i didnt have to ready about ti figure the world out.

What is told to Rogan and what Rogan hears and what Rogan understands are absolutely not all in alignment.

Rogan definitely uses "appeal to authority" to base all his views on because he'd want people to defer to his expertise. So when he invokes what some sport scientist says about cold plunges... he'll ignore ALL points being made outside of this hyperfixation on some specific 'truth' on the topic

Comedians are able to speak the truth because they present it in a clever and funny way. If you say the truth bluntly you piss people off

nah, it's construction workers

Ironic considering the utter tripe Louis is spewing 5:36 Let them flood into your neighbourhood first Louis. Out-of-touch moron.

You guys are so basic. Comedians are not funny at all. Ever since Donald trump ran, all comedians became boring as hell. Do you drones actually enjoy listening to Dave Chappell talk about his millionaire problems?

​@illsmackudown lol they be some of the most vacuous people, just a bunch of angry alcoholics😂

That's exactly what's going on. But Joe is like "I'm living proof that this works".

Purposeful* suffering. The point is that when you make a conscious choice to be uncomfortable it makes dealing with life discomforts so much more manageable.

​@@bryandleconte and back to the point CK was making which is that you need a certain altitude to do that over the average person to the extent that joe has done it; to the point where it becomes meaningless because you are so safe and far from real discomfort

Spot on, man.

@@bryandleconte there’s no research or literature whatsoever proving that cold plunging makes dealing with life more manageable 🤣 give me a break dude

Youre just tripping over yourself to try and insult Rogan at this point. He very clearly understood what Louis was trying to express.

@@AndyUrWald well, that is your opinion. Mine is different. That's OK, I'm pretty sure Joe doesn't need your help or cares.

@@lupo3694That was never implied or should have been inferred from anything I said.

@@AndyUrWaldNo you're the one tripping over yourself trying to defend him. Simp!!!!

@AndyUrWald well I was implying that your fanboy instincts kicked in because I had a laugh (I wasn't even insulting him, like you stated) about Joe, and immediately felt the need to defend him. But hey, I am not saying this is what happened here, it is just my interpretation.

Well, get up and stop being that broke. Problem solved.

Yep, it's just that easy ​@@vcvortex6356

@@vcvortex6356 It’s not a binary issue. Many people have well paying careers/businesses and are barely scraping by in their personal life. Cost of living has risen exponentially and inflation continues to outpace average wages. The conventional wisdom from Rogan and his die hard fanbase is “stop being broke!” Like bitch, what do you think we’re doing? Going to the gym, taking cold plunges/showers, and sitting in a steam room or sauna are a means to improve one’s personal well-being but not everyone can afford to fit a $10,000 sauna unit into their hypothetical garage

@@vcvortex6356 The majority of jobs don't pay enough to afford a basic 1 bedroom. You don't live in reality.

@@stus2159 Sounds like excuses to me. 25 years ago I was in prison. I had nothing when I got out. I'll never have to worry about money again for the rest of my life now. I did that. I hope your outlook on life and your belief in yourself improves so you can have a great life when you're older. Life is hard. We have to be harder. Others do it. You can too.

People have lived for literally thousands of years without a cold plunge. That proves not having one is not a problem. Rogan just doesn't get it because he likes it.

@@ryanesaki Nah man, hot water is new. Until the late 1800's, almost every plunge was a cold plunge.

Joe lives a life of elite privilege. He's out of touch. It's as simple as that.

It is nitwit "Whataboutism" and nothing deeper. He is a master of comedic timing, but not a deep thinker. Not at all.

And most people can just sweat by going for a run, and have a cold shower or jump in the ocean

he totally did lol. And then he reformulated the phrase so that it wasn't so goddamn obvious lol

Me too

"Profound"? Pretentious is the P word that best describes Louis. I do love his stand up though.

What do you get when combine a luddite and a misanthrope? You get a Louis CK. The ironic thing is that they think of themselves as progressive, liberal, and in touch with the "struggle" and the "little guy". These people are a complete disaster not just because they are regressive and illiberal but they have deep seated hatred of other people.They have more contempt for the human condition than the worst religious fanatics. As a general rule these people are clever but entirely useless. It's already bad enough that they produce nothing of substance but because they think they possess deep wisdom and a key to life they direct all of their utilities into nefarious and deleterious means of poisoning the collective well of society. If nothing we do brings nirvana immediately to 100% of the world then there is no point in anything but carrier pigeons. He touches upon illegal immigration. If you thought that so called progressives want the broke people of the world to come to US because they hope that it will improve their quality of life, here you have your revelation. They hope that it will destroy the quality of life for everyone. They don't understand and don't want to understand that the struggle is never over but it is one on the cerebral level. He could spend his energy and mental abilities on improving the efficiency of a million things around him. That's what useful people do. They work tirelessly and think endlessly about building a better battery and roads that don't need snowplows and salt in winter. He's not upset that people in Kathmandu don't have snowplows, instead he has these romantic notions about how these admirable people struggle and wants that misery to remain and spread to everyone, everywhere. Penicillin, GorTex, laser eye surgery ??? No, no, no : early mortality from simple infections, Cilice (look it up) hairshirts, frostbite, and magnifying glass. Scratch that, magnifying glass is also too advanced to get the true feeling of what life should be like according to the perverts.

*Americans have never had a better quality of life

I'd go so far as to say he's right

I love this quote. It’s worded well and sort of indirectly relates to your point. “Never before has a generation so diligently recorded themselves accomplishing so little.”

nah everybody @@AnamFiain

@@nolanhickling4467 How about Palestinians? Uyghur Muslims? Haitians? It’s not always a steady curve upward for everyone the way it is in the states

It's all relative. To Joe it's important but to someone barely paying their bills it may not be at all. Doesn't mean it ISNT important. Just that it is relatively unimportant to certain groups

@@classica1fungusI feel like that’s exactly what Louis is saying and it’s going right over Rogan’s head

Louis gave him a cold plunge of truth and Joe didn't like it

@@classica1fungusdude cold plunging isn’t important haha. It’s not a necessity whatsoever and never has been.

cold plunge is super important, I live in Iraq and I've got a buddy who fought in war and lost both his legs and his house, and then doctors diagnozed him with cancer, and then in one of Joe Rogan's videos, that he is constantly binge watching, he heard about the benefits of cold plunges and started doing them, now he lives in LA, works as an assistant manager and both his legs have regrown full size

"He means well." I don't know if that's true in 2024

Oooo come on his an idiot lol His guest mean well joe is just out of touch.

He do. He supports being active and take care of your health. Nothing wrong with that. @@davedarling6512

If he meant well he'd see to it the majority of his wealth went to better causes than his own enrichment. I've never heard of a single celeb that does that.

The internet absolutely hates any positivity.

Because...

Basic a luxury to the Joe plumbers, because luxury is basic to the Joe Rogans.

Yeah me too he’s a smart dude, I like him, I hear his show is top tier stuff, 10/10

the common sense of throwing the border wide open because somehow more brown people in America is a solution to Joe Rogan not having enough problems?

​@@bigol9223He's referencing equilibrium. Not policy. America is so out of equilibrium with its wealth accrual that "Every force has an equal an opposite force," so to speak. I.e., the people clawing to get in is a result of the pillaging of the world making America a shining beacon of consumerist hope in a world of destitute hopelessness. When (not if) the world finally penerates the cell membrane that is the American experiment, the world will face a major collapse of sorts as the American status quo goes beyond its means to maintain its global hegemony, all the while the home front faces absolute squalor for the bottom 3/4 to 4/5 of America at least. This would have global consequences in Europe and China, of course. But this is what happens when a massive suck on global resources, as Louie describes, goes on for so long - its effect on the external environment becomes cancerous, and the external environment responds in like. For the world to find fulfillment, balance must be achieved, not hyper success of a few at the cost of the misery of the billions. This is inevitable.

Agreed. He is funny because he understands how society and the world works and can shine a light on it in amusing ways. He reminds me of George Carlin.

@@Remindor You have got to be kidding. You're being sarcastic, right?

😂 True

Even professional UFC fighters don't do ice baths that often.

His body has been completely destroyed. Guy has about 15 things wrong with him. Believe it or not a lot of his fans are working class guys who've beaten up their body doing real work. I promise you Joe would trade 80% of income to be as healthy as his "broke fans". The point is physical poverty is real and Joe talks about things that give people like that hope. I live in Canada icebaths are cheap. My gym has a sauna.

not only that but those experts all disagree with each other anyway.

And as those parameters of perfection shrink as you fulfill them, even more obscure parameters of perfection pop up. Sounds like literal prison.

At at best it’s like doing 5 sets of an exercise instead of 4 for the average person.

Yeah, the question is "optimize for what?" You're not on the Savanna anymore following animals to survive. Your supercar's leather steering wheel preheats while your personal chef poaches your eggs before you head out for your elk hunt in $20,000 of gear. The optimization thing is creating problems at the top of Maslow's Hierarchy that don't exist, because you've solved the rest. And it inevitably leads to wanting immortality and reversing aging, every time.

You jerk off in front of your female co-workers too?

Broke is when u have nothing left tbh but compared to him we don’t make a lot.. we’ll I don’t anyways

You can't afford a cold shower?

@@bigol9223 Or 3 bags of ice? I'm in Thailand where the average monthly wage is $2,700. A bunch of us did a cold plunge after a workout last week. It was like $10 for the 6 of us. Why do all these commenters think that a cold plunge costs a lot of money? Or that it is some elitist thing?

​@@utubecomandante a lot of people here really love coming up with excuses for why they can't do things. They're probably imagining a flight to the arctic circle or something idk

​​@@utubecomandanteI thought the avg income there was $1000/month?

I think a lot of people are missing Rogan's point, tho. A cold plunge can literally just be standing in your shower on the coldest setting. Those are Rogan's words, as well as being backed by science

@@brandonpowell3254 That's not a cold plunge though, that's a cold shower.

@@axiological5468 100%. There's no scientific study on the benefits of a cold shower. There is scientific benefits to a cold plunge, however for time-scarce and financially dependent individuals (i.e. 99% of the planet) cold plunges are a hobby not realistic due to the unequal distribution of money and resources.

I would say Joe is reasonable and often a good interviewer but certainly is on an elite level in terms of finances

​@@brandonpowell3254a cold shower does not get the results Rogan is talking about. You do not get the cold shock proteins and the blah blah blah. It's just cold water.

What type of depth

hardly true

​@@bigol9223 Partially true. Not directly and intentionally, but its what's happening. Some people earn $3 a day participating in the production of goods that benefit western countries at a price point and ignorance that their masses can enjoy. And it doesn't have to be that way, it doesn't have to be $3, it could reasonably be much more but then certain people wouldn't be maximising profit in a way that they can offer affordable goods to people who earn an average of $30k a year. And the jobs that paybtuat paltry amount tend to be in unsafe conditions. And the people who take these jobs do so out of desperation, they don't have better opportunities.

Folks are dying so corporations can keep the profits where they like it prices are going up nonetheless

​@@bigol9223It's misquoted. What Louie actually said was, "Folks do labor in unsafe places so we can keep prices where we like them," which is pretty hard to argue with.

Good point

Louis's point is everyone's a Marie Antoinette in America. The richer ones just have more money. Class warfare like this in a country where everyone has all of their needs met while people in China are literally getting killed working in horrible conditions so we can buy shit at Walmart for $3.99 is ridiculous.

Louis 😂😂😂

And looking at birds after going for a run on the beach

Throw on Magazine The Light Pours Out of Me and cold plunge no thank you. Fyi Duff McKagan introduction to bass guitar.

True words 👌🏻

Exactly 😂

"SOME" humans, is what he's talking about.

exactly. one is pushing for something greater an the other is just being. both arent wrong.

If you're working out and doing cold plunges just to get temporary endorphins that get you through the day but your overall fulfillment is low then you are not finding what you need from life. You are "trying to be optimal" as some attempt to meet for daddys approval or the worlds acceptance as 'competent' or someting shallow and lame... Grow as a human internally.

@@alyssacrypto Yes, but what Joe is saying is that physically you will feel better, thus also mentally. I think both are right in a way.

Isn't that a good chunk of the modern condition?

he appeals to dudes because he says dumb shit that sounds obvious in a forceful manner. Lots of uncurious/unintellectual men are desperate for somebody to tell them what to think/how to feel.

How does Joe's cold plunge ideas relate to me making $30,000 a year doing trash collecting and waste management who cannot afford a fancy ice bath or sauna?

Not really, he's saying that even if they have the means they're still miserable because they're detached from the essence of life that would actually bring fulfilment. They have privilege and freedom beyond anything their ancestors could have imagined and they're still groping for more, and talking about it in groups just highlights that detachment in a gross way. Basically reiterating his point about white people problems being when we don't have any so we invent them. Joe doesn't seem to get that swimming in a river is probably more therapeutic and anyone can do it. Health and wellbeing doesn't require pretentious highfalutin Hollywood nonsense.

​@@stitchgrimly6167THANK YOU. Holy shit, someone actually gets it lol

@@stitchgrimly6167 Rich, not white.

Joe is more Italian, and more Jerseytalian than like Machiavelli or Seneca style Italian

I'm saying joe took the side of efficiency and Louis took the side of philosophy and possibility

@@kittybok I'm joking

@@kittybok sometimes Joe's so stoned it's just "pub talk"

@@Levipaulsen Joe is more Connecticut mindset than anything else.

What, he's saying we evolved to worry about survival, and some people are in a state where they are doing expensive experiments just to regulate comfort instead of worrying about the basics of survival. This litteraly sounds stupid to a person who has to work 3 jobs or hunt with a spear to survive. It's about being disconnected from most of the natural world.

The truth, he’s saying we are all mortal and never in a perfect place, things are constantly changing.

“As long as there is death there is hope” - Brother Theodore

"everyone below them" Louis never said he wouldn't be included in this.

Compared to many parts of the world, it's pretty damn good here is what he's saying

@@chlenz and he wants it to get worse. Not bad enough that it affects his economic bracket too much, but the rest of us NEED MORE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS

​@@bigol9223 He didn't say just enough so it wouldn't affect his economic bracket. He's speaking in universal terms. The experiment known as America has failed, is failing, and when the game finally stops, there won't be a person found sitting. In other words, Collapse.

@@bigol9223 yeah christalive has a good point. america kinda is a colossal failure. how does it feel?

Ohhh, yes... there's definitely a seed sprouting for a bit.

Truth

But Joe already has all the other stuff 😀

Not that it's the same as whatever Rogan is doing, but there's still quite a lot of people that buy those Costco saunas and stick them in a garage.

That is like a $7,000 luxury item. I know a kid in HS, saved up his lunch money, bought a $7000 motorcycle...

You can get a sauna and an ice bath for under 1000$, it just wont be as fancy as whatever joe probably has. If you want both of those things and cant afford them as a grown man then you are in fact broke

@@cmvgomj Nah. Not being able to drop $1k on something like that doesn’t define someone being poor. Plenty of middle class folks have other financial obligations and necessities that don’t allow them to purchase that.

Yup broke.

Sounds kinda expensive to do rent, I mean we could just test out having colder showers instead lol for me I’m starting to like colder showers. They feel amazing A shame that celebrities are detached from reality

As well as more debt.

@@heinousanus9352 More debt?

Can you elaborate

Perfectly said

Louie’s whole post-cancellation role is to go on the Gillis and Schultz shows to raise the conversation beyond cigars and walkin heah

@@Lanooski gillis kinda looks related to louise ck and has the same laugh doesnt he?

It doesn’t affect him much that the economy is a disaster. It’s fine if illegals come here but they have to add to/increase productivity instead of us being robbed for lazy people that weren’t from here in the first place. It’s not a race thing neither but everyone always pawns it off as racial inequality. this country is ran by socialist democrats.

@@lookupEdwardBernays I read Louis is moving to Kennsington Avenue in Philadelphia so he can experience the rewarding struggle of living among fentanyl addicts. You don't want life to be TOO happy and carefree, y'know.

Which is great. Have u read it. Google it

It's a philosophical discussion with stoner Joe not a political manifesto,it's a hypothetical discussion not politics.

rogan has on a lot of guests that only care about money and hate almost everyone especially people outside of america. louise ck is a sage a god damn genius. rogan is not used to pushback