Joe Rogan: "Sam Seder is too harsh to the other side to have on my show." Also Joe Rogan: *has Alex Jones on his show*

"Joe Rogan doesn’t realize how in over his head he really is..." A statement that could be applied to Joe Rogan on any day of the week, ending in the letter "Y".

I like to believe everytime Sam Seder goes on national television, somewhere Steven Crowder is doing the Home Alone face and screaming OH NO!

I was a Joe Rogan super fan but I stopped listening when the podcast became a Covid and IDW misinformation show that had mostly right wing and fake liberals on. I guarantee I'm not the only one.

A critique of mainstream media does not negate the need for journalistic integrity. Edit: Not suggesting that Rogan is a journalist. We've reached an age though where "alternate media" makes it easier to conflate commentary, comedy, and self-help with journalism.

Joe won’t have Sam on his show but will have on Alex Jones😂 Make it make sense!

5:02 I love this moment! Emma’s face, “Oh, Gramps! It’s a screenshot. Let me get you a glass of warm milk and I’ll put you to bed.” I really love their dynamic. It very much gives me “kind niece taking care of her uncle” vibes.

Emma provided analysis of the deep seated narcissism and that some are wanting to feel that they are in possession of special knowledge denied the rest of us. In my opinion she was right on with this point. They can look at the rest of society and say they know the truth, that their eyes were opened and we are still asleep.

Idk, to me all of this is just making him more money and famous. Misinformation is a gold mine.

I like sam's reaction to that Seder guys comment. This is why Chris Hayes has Emmys. He is willing to have controversial guests like Sam Seder. OMG it's Sam Seder!

Can we just say thank you Neil Young for starting this discussion

"Free Speech for Joe Rogan!" "Maus should be banned in schools!" Same person.

You [including Michael] were one of the most important threads that pulled me out of the potential well of Joe Rogen, Jordan Peterson and other members of the bullshit gang.

I didn’t need evidence that Joe Rogan can’t read past the headline, but good to know JBP doesn’t either. No wonder he left academia…

Just an anecdote, but a couple of my friends who are more "normie" ditched Rogan about a year ago when he went hard on the Covid/vaccine conspiracies. Before that, they almost listened to every episode.

Rogan's tweet mishap proves that Rogan has a short attention span and is completely gullible. Damn! The public is so easy to fool.

Sam is the man. The dude just gives a shit.

I am part of the normy audience he lost. In mid 2020 when he started propping Trump and claiming Covid isn't dangerous I stopped watching. I occasionally watch if he doesn't talk about politics cause sometimes he does have interesting guests.

Jimmy Doreknob does the same thing, goes off a clickbait headline, without reading the article or doing a bit of research. He'd rather throw his "producer" under the bus for not doing what should be part of his job.

Remember when Joe was fooled for years by Dave Asprey the bullet proof coffee guy? I guess he didn't learn from that.

Reminds me somewhat of the quote on JR being so open minded. "So open-minded your brain falls out".

Sam getting corrected by Emma about "screenshot" is hilarious 😂 also, he takes a photo of his computer screen?!? Lololol

I want to repeat and emphasize specific details from the story because they make it quite special: 1. Rogan tweeted this after apologizing and saying he will do better and 2. he tweeted this after Reuters ALREADY corrected the story. It really says it all about who that guy is and that he's not just a cool bro who casually talks to people.

For years Rogan has repeated on his podcast that Amy Winehouse died of alcohol withdrawal. In his latest podcast with Gaffagin he finally Googled it and realized that she died of alcohol poisoning. He doesn't research, he repeats the same thing for 5 years with zero research.

As a former listener of the JRE Joe has become the thing he hates, an echo chamber with only one view.

too many steroids and testosterone, he's starting to look like his role model Dana White - aka Meathead

I remember listening to Rogan back in the day, when he had his MMA/comedian friends on talking about goofy conspiracy theories. Rogan actually shut down his friend Eddie Bravo when he was getting too serious about pizzagate and flat earth shit voicing his concern that Eddie was "influential" and would lead a lot of fans down insane conspiracy theory rabbit holes. He seems to have blinders on for himself.

The fact that Joe let’s Ben Shapiro on and not Sam Seder is absolutely mind blowing and logically inconsistent with why he refuses to have Sam on

Fun fact: Joe Rogan cleans and wipes down his podcast studio while spreading covid misinformation at the same time.

Proof that Rogan is on the internet all day....reading fucking HEADLINES. Oh jesus.... EDIT: LMAO -- really does look like Ben Shapiro is squirming away from Rave Dubin

Emma really helped me understand Nomiki's point about the aspect of privilege regarding vaccines. Nomiki had a good point and Emma conveyed it better.

Nomi kills the flow everytime

Little Joe admitted on his Instagram post that he runs from fights, even when he's paid not to. The deletion of his tweet is totally in keeping with his spinelessness.

This is an excellent segment. You guys did a great job calling out Rogan on his b.s. You're a much-needed antidote to all the Rogan boot lickers like Kyle Kulinski, Krystal Ball, and Saagar Enjeti.

Conservatives: "Criticism is wokism now!"

Pleeeeease do NOT stop going after Rogan like this. Its highly important. I say that as a pevious fan of his podcast during my early twenties and a huge, long time MMA fan. I'm sick to death of his irresponsibility.

I used to listen to Rogan’s podcast 2 or 3 times a week. Mostly while I did household chores. I listened to it for variety. Usually listened to comedians, athletes, scientists. Never UFC stuff. There was a point at which he did an okay job at being a spectator to his own podcast, or at worst a rudder for the conversation. That time has long past. When Trump ran for office he would laugh at people who took him seriously, including his guests. Now he’s way too invested in a particular position to claim to be an unbiased observer and a “sponge”. I’m not going to hazard a guess as to what changed Rogan’s stance, other than to say it starts with an “M” and ends with “oney” So - yes, he has lost some audience. I do not listen anymore, not even to the episodes that draw me out of morbid curiosity.

It's not that he's in over his head it's that he doesn't give a shlt that the work he does harms society. he's making all that $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Everybody loved Joe Rogan, but it's like Sam said, he's in over his head. It's one thing to have breezy, fun conversations talking about UFOs, but health policy during a pandemic is do or die stuff.

Funny he didn’t have sam on for being too mean to conservatives yet every guest he has on finds a way to bash on “the dems”

I got to be honest. I'm a bot and I regret liking the tweet.

I watched his apology and he seemed sincere but Sam pointing out that tweet made me think....he deserves the backlash. And it's clear it bothers him. He's not above getting hurt by the criticism.

Definitely agree with you guys that he doesn’t seem malicious but he has gone down this route and now his ego is wrapped up in this decision so he cannot back down. The only thing that I would add is that he (and actually most people) main problems are reading comprehension and internet literacy. So many people only read headlines and they’re only reading headlines on websites that are basically glorified blogs. Anyways benefit to all this is I realized I was spending money on Spotify when I had 80 GBs of music still on my phone. I think I’m going to be fine without it.

Nomiki sounded really out of touch when she said Sirius radio was more accessible than Spotify. Though I very much agree that I want to see those numbers. I want to know which is more, people he has scared off, or converted to be anti-vax?

Remember that time he read about a new species of primate online and then had a professional primatologist call in, but he didn't let her speak a single full sentence and called her dumb and insane and more then like a few weeks later it was proven by DNA tests that it was NOT a new species and the professional was actually 100% right but he never backed down or apologized. Rogan is such an intelligent, cool, and kind person. His audience must be just as fair and chill as he is... 😐

What, Rogan doesn't have staff? He can afford a whole building full of people to correct his mistakes. Sounds like a sociopath to me. Great. We have that to look forward to now.

I found Joe while surfing youtube quite a few years ago when he was talking with astronomers, history buffs, cryptozoologists, comedians, etc. He had some good interviews once in awhile. He should probably stick with that. He was like a 69 cent Art Bell.

Nomiki, pull away from the corporate social circles…. They are dragging you into a lack of critical thought.

Because he's just not that bright. He didn't know that big contract called for a high-wire Act without a net

Sam nailed it.

Norm MacDonald had it right when he spoke of Bill Maher (holds true for Rogan)..."when a comedian tries to be smarter than his audience, he stops being funny!" The most salient point is that Rogan was, at best, a mediocre comedian, a less than stellar announcer for bar fights with rules, and now is trying to stay with the big kids intellectually. He's just not equipped to do that....'he's over his head'.

Spotify doesn't care whether or not Joe Rogan's a liar, he's the reason anybody over the age of 55 had their kids/grandkids download Spotify for them. He's a certified boomer influencer.

The 1st time I encountered Joe Rogan was his interview with Neil deGrasse Tyson. I'd never heard of him as a comedian. Had no interest in MMA. I was so impressed with the interview that I subscribed to his YT channel (I don't use Spotify. Don't listen to podcasts). Over a couple of months or so I watched more interviews (with credible people), not everyone he has on. The very first time I either heard him say, or one of his guests say complete BS which he did not attempt to correct in the slightest, I canned that subscription. Never been tempted to give him a minute of my time since. And this was BEFORE Covid. I just think history will be a harsh judge of him. Something like 'If only he'd used his intelligence for good instead of evil.' Keep up the good work. Cheers.

Hes friends with alex jones.. what can you expect.

.In a house full of books my SON did not read. Joe Rogan is the template for him and his buds on how to think. Rogan is AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM

I think you guys are underestimating how many of his current "listeners" are old listeners just checking to see if he's still off the rails.

I'm equally disturbed by the culture of "industry disruptors" that we idolize (which typically fail), of which has made scientific consensus a moot point for people. Everyone wants to be Steve Jobs, whether it's in industry, or thought.

Nomiki this isn't a "white male privilege" thing...

I used to listen to Rogans podcast a lot, because he had a great blend of comics and interesting science guys on. He was definitely a meathead at times, but it seemed like he had a reasonably functional bullshit-detector. But this last year it's like he went straight back to his "I believe DARPA is controlling the weather" conspiracy days, and it's really annoying to listen to

I know it’s anecdotal, but to Nomiki’s point neither me nor my wife can stomach watching him after he went off the deep end with this stuff.

I didn't have time to listen to the whole Video, but hopefully you mentioned that a big part of all of this is Joe Rogan Absorbing Alex Jones' fans since Alex was booted off Social Media. And since moving to Austin the two of them have been in 'Lockstep" (For lack of a better term). Joe knows he has picked up Alex's fans and he doesn't want to alienate them. They are also cross pollinating each other's shows in terms of information when it comes to Covid.

Russell Brand is the new(ish) kid on the block

Personally I don't think he cares. He just keeps seeing his bank account grow.

Side note: people complain about censorship anytime one of Rogan's episodes is removed or made not available. So that one time when they took down five episodes and you think no one cared, people cared, you just weren't listening at that time.

i watched a portion of the conversation with Michael Shellenberger and Rogan didn't call him out on any of his bs. he just sat there nodding his head while letting the guy run wild and talk for two hours. it was infuriating.

Nomi is an open wound for this show

To be fair, the whole "free speech" debate annoys me as well. They scream "you're taking muh free speech!" at the top of their lungs, *as they push to ban transgenderism in public, CRT, any talk about racism/sexism/xenophobia in this country, etc etc.* "Free speech for me, not for thee" types.

Sorry Nomika...this ain't white MALE privilege. White woman have that same issue. Don't seperate the two

This makes me want to watch that Levick/Suresh/Heidecker podcast now for the fifth time.

Nomiki says: I really know nothing about Joe Rogan and his podcasts but that won't stop me from pontificating endlessly

A few months ago the all-time champeen cartoon about misinformation went viral. If you didn't see it, it went something like this: A guy is sitting at his computer and saying to his wife: "Honey, I found something on the internet that all the world's best doctors and greatest scientists missed!"

Imo Nomiki rarely adds anything to the discussion and stuff kinda gets derailed

Unite! Unite! Labor, unite!! Take back the world. Bring power to the worker!

Can’t wait to see what excuse Spotify gives for the Rogan N word montage posted on twitter earlier

Rogan took a harder right with his move to Texas. He needed to cement his posturing with his new hometown crowd. It may appear in the world today that nothing matters but some of us aren’t giving up. I actually deleted my Spotify once Rogan joined them and that’s also when I deleted Rogan. I’m not missing a single thing and I’m likely better informed for it. And I’m grateful for MR having sobering takes.

Rogan is filling the role Alex Jones did only for a younger bro audience: not exactly the same, but definitely tailored to people who get all their info down at the tavern

21:30. HUHHHH? really weird take by Nomi here. It assumes that Rogan must be grifting and sadly may be employing a less than optimal grifting strategy. Its clear that Rogan believes the shit that he says.

Thanks for saying that just because he is also sometimes a so called a comedian does not give him the right to claim or get away with saying whatever he wants whenever he wants and use the cloak of being a comedian to get away with it.

I like how Sam Seder and his 10k views per video are gonna lecture Joe Rogan about him being “way over his head”. All’s Sam’s intelligence and the “idiot” Joe Rogan smokes him because he understands decency and civility. Why doesn’t Sam use all his intelligent brain power to try and increase his viewers?

If you want to see how much of an audience he’s lost, just go to the official JRE subreddit that has almost completely turned on him.

I was starting to take interest in his show before COVID, then he lost me.

I was a normie JR listener who's tuned out in the last year because of his rhetoric.

Three white people accusing joe of white privilege.. That's such a white privilege move

You guys are making me think that peer pressure is where it’s at. The cultural change we want cannot be attained politically from the top down. It has to come from speaking truth effectively and compassionately and holding each other accountable. You’re leading the way.

I don’t understand why Nomiki goes so hard for theories she hasn’t even vetted or gotten any numbers on… like… what????

"Pull that up, Jamie. Help me look stupid again."

The reason he won't have Sam Seder on (someone who is a moderate leftist at best) is because Rogan knows he'd be in way over his head. He knows that Seder won't just roll over like all his other guests.

"Before we introduce Dr. Jordan Peterson, please remember to avoid direct eye contact, sudden movements, or negative facial expressions. And now, please welcome, Jordan Peterson!"

What I like about Howard Stern, is now when a caller says an unsubstantiated rumour he calls it out and stops it. He's aware of his power. He probably wasn't this way 30 years ago but then again there wasn't a covid pandemic 30 years ago. He also doesn't cover the pandemic in an irresponsible way either. Howard fucking Stern.

what even happed to joe brogan? how'd he even slip up this bad

I know that a lot of young white men watch Joe rogan, but a large part of his audience is older white man as well. So there are a lot of older white men who are presumably watching this with their younger white men kids and bonding over this. That is troubling as well as something that needs to be addressed.

I believe this to be a disingenuous critique of Rogan. It's at the very least a mischaracterization. It's also a bad faith attack on his listeners to think that they blindly follow some of his more outrageous guests. If they want to combat the false information being presented, it's a perfect opportunity to do so. Rogan has often issued corrections when being presented with different information.

AntiCancel culture warrior Rogan will read Maus to the children in Florida school which banned it He's consistent and committed 🙄 Na just kidding

"A market is never saturated with a good product, but it is very quickly saturated with a bad one.” - Henry Ford

Emma: Yes. Sam: Yes. Nomiki: No.

Please don't knock DMT just because of Joe Rogan. That's the one thing I will not let them take away from me. Psychedelic drugs are the future of psychology. Screw Rogan for turning something as important as DMT into a meme.

Wow she just won't let that point go will she. You gotta know when to move on when you're doing a show. She just kept re-treading the same point and Sam kept disagreeing for like 5+ minutes.

5:33 - While in this particular case, it even turns out to be false because of someone not writing it correctly, often, this is what happens: People in the media in general (But particularly Right-Wingers who don't care about accuracy) either don't realize or don't care that, in science, the standard procedure is: When you make a discovery or think you are on the verge of *you publish your findings so that others may disprove or confirm them*! That IS the scientific method! So if a scientist or a university or any other organization say they found something: *It in NO WAY means that it has been PROVEN*! (Only that it is a possibility and that others need to confirm it) But again, a vast majority of media people will take these preliminary findings and make HUGE HEADLINES out of them as though it was proven beyond doubt *when it is NOT!* And then, when it gets disproven (As it often does), the same media people, rather than retract their own claim, will point to "science" and scientists in general and say "Ah! Well, you see: Science is wrong. Again!" and feed the anti-science sentiment amongst the population, even though it is the media that gets it wrong and should not have reported it as news until it was confirmed by other scientists! ... That is what happens when news media is under the capitalism system: It becomes more important to fill pages of paper and air time with sensational stories rather than provided concise and comprehensive information; and people like Rogan, Carlson, Blitzer, Besos and all the others are making millionaires out of themselves peddling misinformation as entertainment.

I really don't see how this has anything to do with white privilege. It's about money and pride.

People say Americans are bad at math. But nobody does the least common denominator like us.