These kinda episodes are why I’m a huge fan of this podcast.

Not once did this guy say "It's in my book" so I will be buying it good sir.

I live in North East Texas. My great grandfather, T.O. Milner, helped Quannah find his mother’s body. She had been buried in our family cemetery (Foster Cemetery in Poynor, TX). He had her body exhumed and moved elsewhere, but her headstone is still there. He gave my great grandfather a portrait of himself to thank him for his help. That picture hung in his grist mill and general store for many years.

“They either killed them quickly or tortured them, depending on how much time they had.” *gets chills*

I have found, when Joe Rogan has a guest on whose name I have never heard before. They are absolutely the most fascinating guests. This was no exception. Fascinating.

You know the podcast is over when joe says “well listen man”

Love interviews like this where I actually learn something

"I was fascinated by the peyote rituals too!" No shit, Joe! Who could've guessed?!

I love how Joe asks him about the history of the Bow and Arrow use among the Natives and the man gave a great answer. "I'm not an expert, I... I don't know" So refreshing to hear that answer sometimes

this is one of the episode that goes from "whodat?" to "bring him back" in a few minutes.

Imagine if he coughed like that on the podcast today. 🤣💀

Great podcast. I like how he specified that this is how Comanches and other plains tribes lived. I’m Native American (Narragansett) from Rhode Island but so many people think all natives are like the ones in the westerns and lived in teepees and chased buffalo. They don’t realize how different the cultures are in different parts of the country.

Joe has more marketing power than any advertising firm.

Have more people like this, historical stuff is really interesting

Joe: "Tell me about the peyote rituals."

Suggestion for Jamie--Add any relevant links you've pulled up to the episode description?

I really like a history where I’m told all that happened and not told how to feel or what it means.

Joe “I loved reading your audiobook” Rogan.

Why do so many interesting guests just get an hour?

The audio book is best experienced while driving from East to west through Indian territory.

First Glenn and now this guy. We need more of this and less failed comedians and celebrities.

This type of interview is where Joe really shines. I’m so weary of politics and political comedians. Bravo!

His book is an outstanding read and the other one he mentioned Blood and Thunder is a great read. It is about Kit Carson and the Navajo nation.

This was absolutely captivating. As a Native Texan, I knew some of the history. I grew up in the part of Texas that was once Comancheria, I know some of Cynthia Ann Parker's family, I have been to Quanah many times, I've been to Palo Duro Canyon many times, but I still learned so much. Thanks for having such a great guest. I am definitely buying this book.

“Keep the horse about a fist away from your Comanche”

I am happy to live in a world where Joe Rogan is the new Oprah...

John Wayne’s Movie The Searchers” Cynthia Parker was who they were searching for.

Watched this, bought the book next day and read it in 3 days. Superb episode and a truly gripping read. Bravo

I’d like to see this guy do a book on the “ Battle of Schrute Farms"

This all happened 3 joe rogans ago. Incase you were wondering.

No doubt modern life has detached what we are as humans. When I'm out in the country side with no one there, that's when I'm at peace.

After listening to this I thought this book would be a perfect gift for my step dad who is a huge history buff. His family have been ranch owners in Texas for generations. Turns out he and everyone else in my family already read it years ago. I was abroad so I got left out of the loop. My mom had some interesting things to say about it though: "I guess I knew about the book because the author of “Empire of the Summer Moon” lives in Austin. Although I can’t remember how I came across it, I read it, and thought it was the best book I ever read about Texas. I told Bill and Lara they had to read it, and they did. It just blew my mind away. The rather interesting thing, which pertains to you, through me, is that I grew up listening to my relatives talk about those wild and woolly ways in Texas. Your great Grandfather James (Jimmy) Allen ...... brother and closest confidante to William Owen ......... traveled to Texas to “make his fortune.” Uncle Bill was born about 1895 so maybe he went to Texas in the 1920’s. However, after his foray in Central Texas, he lost all the money he made in a Waco bank robbery. (I think). So, he returned to Florence, AL (and consequently made lots of money after WWII for him and Granddaddy in the meat packing and cattle business) meanwhile telling “Wild West stories" about his time in Texas. As a child I was totally suspect about how bad it could have really been in Texas, especially after my “Civil War and Reconstruction” professor at Texas A&I called the stories I heard about the Civil War “Granny Stories.” Even then I guess I thought Uncle Bill’s were also. However, after reading “Empire of the Summer Moon” I said to myself, “Oh my gosh! Uncle Bill did mot just make that stuff up! Those poor Germans and other settlers. There is some more to tell about this stuff including Comanche happenings on S.......Ranch which then belonged to Kendall. It is very interesting." We have all found multiple arrowheads out on the ranch. My step dad even found a 6 inch flint spear tip. It's a crazy looking piece.

I read this book years ago. I never thought it got the attention that it deserved. Bless you Joe for giving the man your platform for a little while.

When you have someone with gray hair on Joe Rogan you can bet it's gonna be a good one.

Rogan really is an amazing interviewer-- he actually lets his guest speak without hardly any interruptions

Great interview and Gwynne is the perfect subject for an interview. If he knows the answer to a question, he tells you, with enough detail to really learn something. If he doesn’t know, he says so. “Empire of the Summer Moon” is indeed a great book and has a prominent place in my personal library of cherished books. Born in Nebraska, I have to point to an author from my home state, Mari Sandoz, who wrote a great book called “Crazy Horse; Strange Man of the Oglalas.” It was published in 1942 and (as I recall) she was able to talk with several Oglalas who were alive during the Indian Wars.

I learn so much from this podcast and I don’t know what to do with all this information so I just randomly tell my family stuff and they look at me like what ? 😂😂

Not a comedian, not an mma fighter. Nice.

Re: the 58:10 question of whether native Americans developed the bow and arrow independently, they did so in the Iowa area around 500 AD, according to Univ of Iowa Dept of Archeology

Man, that was fascinating. What a great interview! I had to add some more because it is such a debatable topic on how the West was won. I don’t know too much about the Comanche way of life. I’m Navajo, 100%. My roots can be traced back generations through our clan system. From my experience Native American tribes have no written history which is what they brought up in this interview. Everything I came to know about my people growing up was passed down orally through the generations. Nothing documented. Our history can almost be considered a game of telephone, how much is true? What is fact and fiction. I guess in a way that can make it more interesting to be told especially by the elders. But it’s through eye witness accounts that we’re able to discover and piece together what happened, and it seems this book sheds a little more light on that grey area of history. I agree it’s mostly a point of view type thing from the “western” view but being open minded and willing to hear the others account can be eye opening. I think we can all agree the Wild West was a Wild time. Take care!

ahh being a Texas Ranger. Those were the days ✊

Being born and raised in Texas, this was awesome. Growing up in school we learned all about this stuff and in college I actually had to read that book for my Texas history class

Really glad I decided to watch the whole thing instead of the clips.

I like how Joe says “I’m a bow hunter” with a pitch in his voice. 🤣🤣

This needed to be 3 hours long.

My Texas History teacher once said to our class "I want y'all to remember, history is told by the people that won, dead people cant tell their side."

Comanches had no word for surrender, I read somewhere. Equally fascinating and terrifying...

JOE! Please do more podcasts on Native Americana and American Indians. It is fascinating and almost criminal how little this history is talked about in modern North America.

I actually read this book for my Native American history class, definitely one of the better ones from the class.

Even in the frontier they knew that Epstein didn't kill himself.

This man is such a good writer. I hope he does more historical books.

I love how Joe says with pride “I am a bow hunter” 🙌🏹

Anyone else click on this just to see who tf S.C. Gwynne is?

I could've listened to this conversation for another 2 hours.

Is in the book also the facts that native Americans fought in the civil war on both sides: also for the south, like confederate Indians and that they also owned slaves. And the last confederate general that surrender was Stand Watie and his native soldiers. I think that is also important to know and mention.

When Joe says "that was awesome" when taking off his headphones, you can take that to the bank.

Joe Rogan trying to shoot arrows from a Horse classes coming soon.....

Anyone listening to this podcast, I totally recommend “The Rebel Yell” by this author. About General Thomas Stonewall Jackson of the confederate army. Unbelievable story.

Just bought the book via Amazon .....thanks, for sharing your interview with the author (S.C. Gwynne). Your discussion created a genuine interest in Native American history.

This guy totally had the Rona back in December...

Jamie has an A in NOT being a guest on ‘The Show’.

Well, we got almost 41 mins in without Joe talking about drugs.

I bought his book (empire of the summer moon) after watching this and it’s EXCELLENT

Wow. This is so AMAZING and eye opening. This podcast, the guest/content, is exactly why I absolutely LOVE the Joe Rogan Podcast. I was listening to Joe talk about Native Americans and specifically mentioned the Comanches on a Podcast a few weeks ago. Because I have been recently become a bit obsessed with 19th century American history, specifically cowboys & indians, railroads and the wild wild west, when Joe referenced S.C. Gwynn's book I immediately wrote down the authors name and ordered the book. A few weeks go by and I realize that Joe has the man himself on the podcast! God Damn Joe, you are FUCKING CRUSHING IT MY MAN!! I swear I have learned SO much from listening to this podcast, googling and diving down the rabbit hole. Thanks so much Joe for continuing to keep up the incredible work. Your podcast is so much more then just "entertainment". For me personally it has become a daily/weekly source of not just comedy and entertainment, but a legit form of educational, motivational and inspirational edification that I am truly grateful for. This show has literally opened my eyes and my mind to so many different topics, ideas, perspectives, peoples, cultures, ways of life, scientific concepts, woowoo nonsense, and the list goes on and on. I honestly feel that by continually immersing myself in the concepts and ideas discussed on this show, and then further researching these ideas, it has helped to shift my mentality into a wiser, healthier, more open minded, kinder, more accepting and forgiving human being. And by changing the way people view and interact with the world my friend, you are changing the world for the better. Thank you sir for this amazing gift to humanity, and please keep up the incredible work!

Moral of the story don’t be a baby or an adult

More historian guests please Joe always very interesting love the variety on the podcast

Gwynne's book "Rebel Yell" about Stonewall Jackson is great, too. I have been a Civil War buff all my life, and a Jackson fan, but Gwynne had details about the man and his life that I had never heard of. Intimate details.

Fascinating podcast, more history experts please Joe.

If I don’t see “ is a stand up comedian” I know it’s going to be a good show

So when is JRE Publishing going to start sponsoring these writers to research and create a book for us?!!!

To quote Cormac McCarthy; “here was a people consecrated in blood and redeemable in blood only.”

I had a feeling Joe would try to move things towards Peyote eventually 😂

I get the feeling everytime this guy looks at the table he's thinking is that drugs

this is one of my favorite episodes of the JRE, had no idea who the guy was before, now gonna check out his stuff. Hope to see more guests like this

About a hundred pages into the book...if you liked the interview, you should check out the book. Fascinating stuff.

1:01:00 The way SC Gwynne described how the Comanche fired their arrows on their horses, sounds like the same way Mongols did it.

I am Cherokee from Oklahoma. I work in our casino listening to this podcast as I work. Shout out from Adair county Oklahoma. Its pretty much like a res here.

I like anonymous names when i click and i keep my fingers crossed that they are not comedians.

This is one of my favorite episodes... this is my second time listening to it❤️

Rebel Yell is another great book by him about Stonewall Jackson.

Less comics...more intelligent folk like this fella please! (Nothing against comics but these are the convos more JRE fans wait for)

Come on Wayne save QUANAH'S historic house.

I'm a native texan living currently in Santa fe. Straight up history.

When my father was a child, he saw a group of 5 Hurons in Montreal, full gear with feathers, on horses passing through Hochelaga. That was the late 50'.

I read this book in high school and would never have though years later seeing it rise back into popularity

More of these. Less comedians The struggle comedian speak is seriously getting old

What is also good is when Joe raises a question like the use of bows, instead of giving a blagging it (UK slang for the Americans)/ making up an answer as he goes along he is honest about the limits of his knowledge and says "I don't know, I am not an expert in that". So refreshing!

This is a great book. Two others I recommend about forbidden untaught history are "Comanche: the story of a people" by T.R. Fehrenbach and "Scalp Dance" by Thomas Goodrich Stay away from school textbooks for your history. They are nothing but lies and they omit the history they do not want you to know. That is, the history that depicts something else besides "European evil and everyone else is his innocent proto-hippie victim".

I wish they wouldve gone more into the navigational skills of Comanche. Their ability to navigate over hundreds of miles of plains was really interesting the book.

hollywood will look at a perfect story like this and be like nah, too risky, do more franchises and reboots

I drive 3 hrs to get to work, this kind of conversation is gold.

the relationship of time is the most compelling aspect to stories like these. We are so sanitized from the harshness of life and the life or death battle for existence just 140 years ago. Good stuff Joe. That book and the the others Mr. Gwynne mentioned are well worth the read. "Meat buffers"....

I'm half cherokee and choctaw, my baby shes a chippewa shes a one of a kind.

42 seconds in and its already better than Michelle Wolfe haha

Great interview* Im 3/4 Comanche 1/4 Kiowa * frm Oklahoma yes it was Savage back then but it meant Survival* so I can appreciate how far we've come* strive to Stay Sacred Strong * but love the modern ways * 🤓 💙💚💛

"Rebel Yell," Gwynne's biography of Stonewall Jackson is fantastic.as well

I've learned more history from Joe than my entire highschool/college career

I see 1:18:00 long episode and I feel like I'm getting ripped off😂😂😆!

Great Episode! would love more history based episodes

The tale of Elizabeth Warren hahahaha