some people get knock out and get CTE while some get the illusion of being funny and become Brandon

That's what I just said. He does podcasting

I caught that as well. Joe said he was just a podcaster! Had to laugh at that..

Lol

I was just about to comment that. Then again I don't think Joe rogan's much of a stand up comedian.

"Meldrick Taylor was too much of a Philadelphia fighter. He was a great boxer, but he loved to get in there and fight, and sometimes when it wasn't to his best advantage." - Larry Merchant

There is a lot of truth in this. However, I think it also has to do with having such fast hands. Evander Holyfield was very similar in that respect; Basically, you're going to get hit more staying in the pocket, but you will also land a lot more as well. Both men are showing signs of CTE. Meldreck obviously a lot more so. It's very sad, but it's the cost of doing business a lot of times.

Chavez did not beat the prime out of Taylor. The fight did. Chavez took as much damage but was more durable (could be for many reasons). The second fight should have never happened. He was physically and mentally shot.

@@a.m.m.4592so aka Chavez beat the prime out of Taylor..since he was part of the fight….

@a.m.m.4592 Taylor landed a lot of flashy "shoe shine" punches. Chavez was much more heavy handed, and he landed much harder, thuding shots, with his feet planted.

Brooo 😢

@littlemoo52 Yeah that happens. But you gotta know when to put it down and stop and do something else entirely. Become a coach to someone young you can inspire with words as an articulate person who can also analyze fights at a high level. There's no cure for CTE currently, but there are different kinds of therapy and meds that can help to bring back memory and sharpen the mind a little at a time.

@zaynes5094 there will never be a cure for CTE firstly and secondly cte can not be diagnosed until death

Bernard Hopkins?!

You remember his name?

The last video I saw of Meldrick was about 10 years ago and it was already hard to understand him, very unfortunate. I think time has proven that Steele made the right choice that night

The fight should have been stopped much sooner. Richard Steele was basically black balled from then on. If you watch subsequent fights he officiated, the commentators harshly criticized everything he did and always brought up the “bad stoppage”.

@@Robzrx He didn't help himself with the early stoppage of Tyson/Ruddock 1 a couple of months afterwards, but what else was Steele going to do with Taylor who was asked twice, "Are you OK?" and never responded? The thing I find funny about the whole "Don King bought off Richard Steele" crap was Steele took a point away from Chaves for low blows against Frankie Randall which moved the scorecards from a draw to Chavez's first official loss. I guess King's check must have bounced.

@@danielhenderson8316 Good point, that nobody ever brings up when people talk about Steele being in King's pocket, that without the 2 point deductions Chavez wins the decision and preserves his unbeaten record, which was a major promotional angle (for Don King) during the end of his time as a major fighter. Worse, the second point deduction - in the 11th round - Chavez was winning the round, loses a point then charges after Randall trying to make amends and walks straight into tjhat big right hand that drops him for the first time in his career, making the round 10-8 or even 10-7, absolately pivotal moment.

Steele robbed Taylor of his moment sad

chavez destroyed him in 2. Taylor was not the same in that fight. He was still sharpe, but just couldnt absorb them punches like the first fight.

​@@TheKcXiVChavez was just such a rough, tough son of a bitch. Harder than a coffin nail. His punches were hard enough to break bones and leave guys pissing blood for several days afterwards... I can't imagine being on the wrong end of a Chavez beatdown is a whole lot of fun...

He beat Chavez in the 1st the 2nd was brutal he wasn't the same after the first fight

​@@gdupkwin9676 nah beat beat the shit out of Taylor in the first fight look at him when he gets up he never let's go of the ropes and didn't answer the ref questions.

Were these 15 rounders?

They fought a second time to give the doubters peace of mind

This was the first big fight I ever remember watching I was in 6th grade. So this got me kind of spoiled on boxing cuz this was one of the greatest fights of all time. The stoppage was a bad stoppage but later we would learn it was a Don King referee. And this is still going on today with Tony Weeks who recently stopped a fight in bizarre bizarre circumstances. I believe Taylor deserve to win that fight and what would have happened is he would have lost the rematch anyway because he took an incredible amount of punishment. JCC did as well but that guy was just built different. Probably the most durable lower weight fighter of all time.

yea, it took a few years for it to sink into american fans. u cant piss blood in the hospital for 2 weeks and think u won the fight

The last 2 ,3 seconds Taylor could have been killed do Mr Steele was totally right to stoped.

@@johnloa2009 that doesn't make any sense? Boxing's not scored on "damage".

Lol why

Those tapes are going to snap if you ever try to watch them, get them transferred to digital. Or don’t, I get it’s cool to just have them.

You should see about getting those tapes digitized if you know they don’t exist anywhere else bro

That's a very nice collection, try to reserve it cause if you really have their entire run you might have footage that's extremely hard to find nowadays.

I am so jealous of that collection of Gold you have there.. please digitize it and put it online please

More people need to do that. There is total denial about CTE in MMA circles, even though we have countless examples of punch-drunk boxers. There will be a wave of visible CTE cases from MMA fighters soon: the Diaz brothers, McGregor, etc. They all already show signs of CTE and as Rogan says, it is progressive, with no cure.

When i boxed in 80’s we didn’t we headgear in spar session which were 3 times a week and 3 hours per night. I saw stars nightly for years

@@cherobinson6371 We were using 16oz gloves and head gear and I still got rocked by a rising hook to the side of my head. I was 6'3" then, and fighting someone 5'9". We were both 180lbs but he was much more solid. I never saw the punch coming.

@@iamthem.a.n.middleagednerd1053 Once upon a time back in the 70's there was this sparing partner paid to spar with a future WBC champion who would not let that future champ do any head hunting not one time. That future champ would get pissed and the dam world renowned trainer would get mad every sparing round. To this day that sparing partner doesn't have any brain issues.

I had five MMA fights and I went 4-1. Lost my first fight, didn’t get finished but it was a bad loss. Should have been stopped probably. I won four straight after that because I kind of knew now what to expect in a real fight. I think the first opponent o had was also probably the best fighter of the guys I faced. But now, I’m glad I stopped at five fights. I loved sparring so much that I know I would be messed up now.

You woulda lost a bunch of times after that. Better to quit while you’re ahead. You didn’t have it in ya.

Chavez is not the goat.

@@txmade4371 Says you?

Legendary Nights Chavez vs Taylor was awesome and heartbreaking.

@@txmade4371Chavez the 🐐

@@excerritosresident says anyone that knows boxing

Yeah, imagine being punched in the dome 80,90 times in just one night. Not counting sparrings.

the sparing does it, headgear prevents bruises and cuts but the brain still getting bounced around. Meldrick prob sparred 1000s of rds along with Terry Norris

@@mgoogleuser8011 The purpose and point of the head gear is to stop your brain from moving around

@@extacyl6926It’s not, in fact new studies show the opposite, that’s the reason Olympic boxing has phased headgear out.

how in the hell do you think headgear(that you wear on the OUTSIDE of your head)somehow stops your brain from slamming around inside of your skull when you take a hard shot? Headgear does NOT prevent concussions or the compounding trauma that leads to CTE in the slightest……it’s only job is to help protect against cuts,bruises,hematomas,ect.

I tried to get into the amateur circuit and it def wasn't worth it. Even on good nights you still take ALOT of damage, pull something, band something against the canvas, and everything just hurts. At the time the UFC CHAMPIONS were only making 500k-1mil a fight and most people on undercard were making like 15-20 k and I'm like yea this just isn't worth the damage I've already done to myself

I always wondered how much better Julio woulda been if he didn't do drugs and drink alcohol throughout all his career

@@universalpowder1682 Man, we'll never really no, but I bet he would have been even more special. He started partying hard before he even touched his prime. Same thing happened to Tyson.

Real question why won't he say his name funny part he didn't call him a comedian 😂😂😂😂😂

He legit is talking about Schaub, he’s said before.

Ok, I I thought it may have been the Ice Man Chuck Liddell

Didn't Rogan tell him that he wasn't good enough to be world champ, and that's why Shaub was mad at him. Rogan was right though.

No it’s actually Larry David…

Oh its true, it's dam true! Kurt Angle

Says everything that Joe when asked what he does ONLY says podcasting. 😂😂🤣

Joe must have said something that triggered you.

I know his not funny but Hans Kim is not funny either and he performs at the mothership

@@alex-pn1wg You "know?" I don't mean to burst your bubble, but humor is subjective. I do know, that's a new word for you.

No he ruined his career Taylor deserved the win he fought his heart out 2 seconds left Chavez couldn't do anything in that time bell would've saved him

@@user-yb6cz1id7z used the ropes to get back on his feet and leaned on them while Steele was counting, another route Steele could’ve taken was asking Taylor to walk forward like any other ref would’ve and Taylor would have collapsed. A W or L is absolutely meaningless in this instance, Chavez wasn’t landing scoring shots, he was landing life changing damage.

@MaybachSniper Dude stop it by the time Chavez got to him the bell would've rang only 2 seconds he. was about to be the first guy to beat Chavez you know who's fault it really is Lou Duva who got up on the ring apron and Meldrick took his eyes off the ref to look over at Duva that's when Steele waved it off watch the tape.

@MaybachSniper Spoken like a true Chavez fan Taylor won the fight and was robbed of a victory by Richard Steele a guy who had a history of stopping fights prematurely Meldrick dominated Chavez for most of the fight with his speed and quickness

@@user-yb6cz1id7z you never boxed before in your life, the day you do you’re going to find out It’s not a scoring game especially if you box someone with any power that can inflict permanent damage.

Yeah,.. and it's a good possibility his gloves were loaded. Fighters faces don't swell up that fast in a fight from short inside punches.

​@@canibusnj. Come on man...

Loaded gloves , cheating Julio Cesar Margarito

​@@canibusnjlmfao stop

​@@canibusnjlol 🤣 Chavez is not Margarito different type of boxers

Chavez was born with an abnormally thick skull. That's a documented fact from a Sports Illustrated article titled "Bearing The Burden" from February 1993. Look it up, paragraph seven. His then trainer spilled the beans on all of that. They did a cat scan on his skull proving it. It was already an urban legend in his country prior to the article. That's how Chavez was able to take the type of punches he did throughout his career. It was the main key to his durability. Chavez wasn't tough when he was given an advantage like that from birth.

learn to write in English before you post anything. you make yourself look like one of these fighters who got hit too many times..

@@canibusnj So why wasn’t his skin busted or bruised ? Black people have fast twitch muscle fibers. That’s a big advantage over other races.

@@Fleecejonhson Chavez also had tough skin as well. He had an abnormally thick skull is probably why he didn't bruise, Mr. troll.

@@Fleecejonhson Listen, Chavez closed the show........ and he had to go to the depths of hell to do it. :) It's the closes he's been to death as he has always said about that fight. That's how exhausted he was. He said he wanted to vomit, but he had to hold it in becuase if he didn't he would have had a stroke and died. That is almost his exact words ver batim.

And due to his style , even though he retired at 29 , he has a good amount of punchdrunk to him

@@rcc5547 he didn't get protected. His career was front loaded. He got used by the Garcia's.

Too quick too fast for Fernando. Had no business fighting Trinidad so soon.@@mctasty6094

@@mctasty6094no! They didn’t want Vargas to fight Trinidad since he was 28 and more experience with power. Vargas pressed his team to make that fight. I believe he was only 21,22. That’s the fight that ruined him, he wasn’t the same afterwards.

I remember post 1st fight, Taylor's face was so battered.

James Tony is bad , ridick bowe is awful also

Tommy Hearns and Evander Holyfield both also speak really slow nowadays

@@fernandomaron87 Pretty sure Hearns has already passed away

@@kardiackids1435No he hasn’t yet.

@@kardiackids1435 Google is free. Fuckin idiot. Lol

Fuck i know took he took so much punishment

I’ve always wondered about that…

Maybe, but from what I've seen Micky Ward still has all his faculties and he was in some wars too.

@@debneter Micky Ward himself has stated that he suffers ill effects from all the wars he’s been in… what are you talking about?

Yes he did, but he stated it without slurring his words and the fact that he is aware of it is a good sign. Some guys get it worse than others. @@Gus375 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b9upqKphvt7Zp58.html

Umm he is right buddy. All because you don't get stopped every fight doesn't mean you dont keep getting knocked out

Getting stopped THREE times is a lot. Especially for an ex champion.

@@uncletony6210 Really? Like tommy Hearns who was stopped 3 times before age 30? Taylor did not even lose in his first 25 fights. His 3 stoppages came against Chavez 2X and against a bigger Terry Norris. So what is your point? He was not stopped a lot and never stopped against mediocre competition. So it is bullcrap that he was some shot fighter who could not take a punch.

@@joeblow2069 He got stopped 3 times in 6 fights over the course of two years. That's a LOT, meaning not-good-for-the-brain and time to hang it up. Maybe if he had, he wouldn't talk they way he talks. That was my point. That required explanation?

@@joeblow2069 Was stopped by Espana, also, to lose his Welter title. I wouldn't call Espana mediocre, exactly but he was way off Chavez and Norris, so it was worrying seeing him knock Taylor around the ring.

The reason taylor ended up how he did is complicated. First off, the infamous Philly gym wars - sparring that resemble actual fights. Second, although Taylor was super fast and flashy his defence was not great. Chavez was hitting him clean and often from the first bell and his face was already showing the damage by round 2. Thirdly, his defeats were pretty bad ones, not close decison losses or anything of that nature. The Chavez loss he took a LOT of sustained punishment, even if the judges had him winning rounds.He was clearly fatigued late in the fight and with exhaustion the punches are more telling. Also, the fight was brutal. Chavez is one of the best and toughest fighters of all time but he's said that coming out for the 12th he felt like he couldn't go on, he was that exhausted. I think his corner were telling him to "do it for your family!" between the 11th and 12th. Throw in that Taylor was 17 when he won Olympic Gold and was fighting solid opposition shortly after turning pro, as a teenager. The Norris fight defintely added to Taylor's troubles as he was getting teed off on by a bigger, hard puncher, even if the fight didn't go long. I remeber when Taylor fought Espana, a tough but ordinary fighter, he looked shot at that point, which is an indicator (at his age, maybe 25-26?) that he'd been affected by his career. Genetics has a part to play too. Some people can get hit in the head for years and appear OK, other take less punishment and develop issues. Regardless, it's horrible how Taylor has ended up.

@@johnniea4684thank you for the extra information, guys.

I also remember his corner telling him to do it for Mexico too. @@johnniea4684

The IBF actually ordered an immediate rematch which Chavez invited, but Taylor declined and moved up instead.

@@californio1850 That's true, although I'm certain that decision was made by the Duvas, Taylor's handlers. I feel they thought (correctly, as it turned out) that Chavez would be less effective at Welterweight. Pernell Whitaker, another Duva fighter didn't hang around long at 140, after vacating his Lightweight titles, but immediately jumped up to 147 to await a Chavez fight.

He definitely did, however the post fight effects would have still been there. He may have won the fight had it not been stopped but the beating he took was ruthless.

unresponsive during mandatory awareness test and his eyes were so swollen he couldn't see steele motioning him to put hands up and step forward he looked listless and out of it and in no shape to continue great stoppage and in no way was meldrick screwed

jab jab and run jab jab and run

No he fought that way cause he broke his hands early on and he hardly had power in his hands so he rather win by points instead of breaking his hands again

@@APOCALYPSE2385_ I agree. Broken hands definitely helped Floyd adopt the style he did. He definitely became more defensive minded.

Thats not excuse for being running in a combat sport😂

Floyd fought the way he fought cause he NEVER was in the same caliber as legendary hof fighters and that's that.

💯🤣😂

Pernell did.

​@@uncletony6210Father time

@@GuerreroDelInfo Chavez was only 30 and coming off one of his most impressive wins just a few mos earlier when he annihilated Greg Haugen. He lost to Whitaker because he fought an undisciplined and impatient fight, i.e., trying to knock Pernell out with EVERY punch, and because Pernell was simply better. NOTHING to do with Father time, or Uncle time, or Cousin time.

@@uncletony6210 He was 31, Whitaker 29. The fight was up at Welterweight and Chavez NEVER beat a significant opponent at 147. Although he was a bit taller than Whitaker, Chavez could not handle the extra weight, he just reached the limits as much of his game was being able to impose himself physically on the opponent and that is just harder to do as you move up the divisions. Whitaker's style was all about hit and not be hit, outboxing and being elusive and despite starting at 135 he was able to handle the extra opponent size much better, even winning a title at 154. In terms of wear and tear, although there was only 2 years difference, Whitaker was a lot fresher than Chavez. The latter's aggressive style aged him faster, plus he was dealing with injuries (bad right hand, ankle, back problems) even before the first Taylor fight. He'd even been talking about retiring due to physical issues before 1990. Throw in the known fact that by 1993 Chavez was leading an indisciplined lifestyle (booze, possibly recreational drugs, slack training camps) and he wasn't the same guy he'd been a few years earlier. Was still a close fight and personally I believe Chavez beats Whitaker at 135 or 140.

@@johnniea4684 The fight was at welter but at a catch-weight, i.e., 145, and Chavez came in at 142. I followed JC's career and I don't recall him ever mentioning the R-word at any time prior to the Whitaker fight; not to say it didn't happen, or that it matters. My take on the fight is this: Before the Haugen fight, JC worked with Mike Tyson who showed him how to "get his body into his punches," and it worked. JC's stoppage of Haugen was brutal, Tyson-like, and unlike any version of JC we had seen before. I think JC took confidence from that win, and, NOT wanting to wait until round 12, 2:58 to beat Pernell, decided to "take care of business early." You will note, that prior to 93, with few exceptions (e.g., Mayweather I), Chavez always let the fight "come to him," and in that regard, was always considered a "slow starter." However, against, Whitaker, it was clear that there were KO-intentions with EVERY punch from the opening bell. NOT the best strategy against a guy who was, and still is, arguably the best defensive fighter OAT. And because 90% of those punches were missing, Chavez tired by mid-fight; the rest is history. Lastly, regarding "slack training camps," I would argue that JC came in with perhaps his most impressive physique for the Whitaker fight, and certainly his best shape since Taylor. 142 lbs of solid muscle, no fat. He was not taking Pernell lightly, but I think he overestimated his own abilities, and in so doing, abandoned a fight plan that had worked in his favor for 13 years.

That fight was criminal

Got hit in the back of head

Gerald McClellan incident still makes me cry out of anger to this day. The back of the head shots were clear as day but since he was in the uk the ref didn’t want to give the American a fair fight and allowed benn to keep hitting behind the head.

The condition of Benitez today is unbelievable.

@@hoosiernative9668 The French referee couldn't even speak English. Gerald took at least 50 punches from Benn behind the head.

Chavez landed less punches but most power punches

True. Especially in that final round @@JJ-rb3ss

I wouldn't call it cruising. He was getting systematically beaten down and looked in a bad state in the corner prior to the round.

I take your point. When I say cruising I meant in the scorecards. Yes, he'd been getting hit with big shots here and there but Taylor would have won that fight comfortably if it weren't for the miracle at the end@@jamesa6494

I agree, Taylor would’ve won that bout on two scorecards. That would’ve been a career changing victory. Poor guy lost to the referee not his opponent

What part of "he was beaten unresponsive to the ref with time on the clock" is hard to understand? That's the definition of a TKO.

He lost one fight relax bro😂💯

@@TooSharpENT one big big big fight badly

​@@TooSharpENTthat was a career/life changing ass whoopin

@@TooSharpENT So did Taylor

@@FleecejonhsonHe was fine after Chavez, it was Terrible Terry Norris who did him in.

It did

What a ignorant comment, it makes a huge difference when you’re already out on your feet and the guy can land another hit, you are one of the stupid fans joes talking about on the vid

Joe needs better friends

Yea imaginen getting kicked in the face

The thing about boxing is that people have already died in the ring before, unfortunate. I'm not so informed about MMA but as far as I know I don't think anyone has died in the octagon before

not strange at all. If taylor would have fallen in the middle of the ring, he would not have been able to get up

He got clapped 🤨

He was out son, the ref saw him gone, he was in anoyher dimension

CTE doesnt agreed with that

yea he got lucky, he almost got killed with that right punch.

I've been realizing Holyfield's blurred speech for years, i don't have idea how his team let him face Victor Belfort a couple of years ago. Tommy Hearns also sounds really slow nowadays.

@@fernandomaron87 yeah man! Head shots add up. That’s why I’m a lot cases boxing is worse than mma. The amount of head shot with the size glove they use adds up man.

Not at all. He became welterweight champion after that loss, it was the ko to Terry Norris that really broke him as a fighter.