My Chi mix passed away (had to be euthanized) at about 19 with kidney failure. He was treated for about a year and a half by an internal medicine specialist. He did very well for a while on Purina''s kidney formula kibble. Burnt beige balls, I guess, seemed to help his survival.

@@sarahwheeler52 The National Institutes of Health has done several studies on the effects of phosphorus on cats. There are different conclusions from the different studies. Each cat owner has to decide what is best for their cat. Since my two cats are only two years old, I will follow the study that says organic Ca and P have little bioavailability. The amount of Ca and P in the raw ground beef and chicken thighs I feed my cats is low regardless.

That's the issue. Ppl lump all kibble into the same category. It's just like saying all Chinese restaurants are the same. Lots of kibble is poor quality and hard as a stone due to the process. The dry food we feed we can squish apart in 2 fingers. Close minded ppl are always gonna think alike.

​@@edschulhof6303sir, "National Institutes of Health". Is that the same organization that Fauci was/is "related" to? NIH?

@@420growers3 I'm not the one feeding an obligate carnivore, $8.24 a pound food that is mostly corn and wheat. (Hill's k/d dry food) or $10.57 lb. (RC Veterinary Selected protein PR, Grain free)

@edschulhof6303 yup, that's all crap. What's your point? You made your speculations. All dry dog food is the same right? Spoken just like someone who has absolutely so idea.

David, I just almost finished a mini novel to you and somehow it disappeared. So youre lucky and will get a condensed version! your comments are excellent and remid me more of eavesdropping on conversations of nutritionists in the lunch room. it usually went over my head before too long but I loved it. the dry matter basis i am starting to us has the fault or should I say shortcoming you mentioned. Its not so much of the carb percentage but the energy density thats missing. Dry Matter eliminates the various moisture levels in two foods so that's good but what about the different energy density or calorie content. If one is higher and I feed less, than overall I'm feeding less of that nutrient. That's why if you watch my older videos comparing foods its all in grams or milligrams per 100 kcals.thats the best way to compare two foods by far! but sadly, I am running out of foods that can tell me that data, many not even understanding what I'm asking for! (A sign of the condition of the pet food industry!) to look at percentage of carbs is difficult because there is such a variety of carbs and a variety of uses. Some carbs provide additional amino acids for protein, some provide vitamins and minerals, some essential fatty acids, some just dietary fiber for gut health.as you know, some companies promote only species appropriate and will not use carbs for these purposes where others definitely do. Your concern seems valid to me. If a diet for a cat was too high in carbs and fat providing energy, and not enough protein, that would be an amino acid deficiency. When Hills and Purina came ot with their new diets for diabetic cats, I was taught a cat will first use up carbs for quick energy before fat or protein. These new diets reduced the carbs and raised fat and protein. The cats body had to utilize fat and protein for energy and there are many cats today not needing insulin because of these diets. so it seems logical that too much carbs would or could satisfy the cat before she received all her amino acids. Of course, that what you pay for when you buy a bag of food, trusting the nutritionists and chemists are formulating all that correctly! Just like bioavailability in fresh vs kibble. One person will say kibble is cooked at such high temps that all the nutrients are destroyed so you should feed fresh. But another, who is looking at my concern for excess nutrients, will say fresh food is less bioavailable to the body, because of moisture, bulk, etc, and they would be right. Kibble uses concentrated ingredients like meat meal. Its a powder so very easy to use too much and run excesses vs fresh. but what happened to fresh being better because the cooking of kibble destroys nutrients? Which it actually does to some extent! LOL! and yes, increasing carbs to provide additional amino acids so we can lower calcium and phosphorus is common, at least with veterinary diets. But again, doesn't make the species appropriate folks very happy. digestibility between dry and canned? Dont know! there are different ingredients but again would depend on energy density too. Can't answer that one! thanks for such challenging questions. I think a video on this deeper stuff would put people to sleep though!

Ah, there's nothing more frustrating than writing a verbose answer only to have it vanish into cyberspace! I appreciate you replied twice!! Interesting points re the feline diabetic formula. To me that would suggest the higher protein/fat and reduced carbs works better for the health of the cat, which leaves the question if it would be better for all cats and not just diabetic? I would also question why the cat became diabetic in the first place. For that I would often look to what the cat was fed prior, and whether it looks species appropriate.... which I guess puts me in the "species appropriate" bucket! Personally I'd love to see videos on this stuff. Whether it would appeal to the greater KZfaq audience I don't know. I often wonder how the pet food landscape would change if veterinarians proactively considered diet as a potential cause of illness. Something I find few vets do, but I suppose it's hard to interrogate people on what they feed their pets.

@@PetFoodReviewsAustralia oh, we think alike. While sitting there learning about the new way of managing the diabetic cat, I remember leaning over to a colleague and saying we’re going to have to rethink and reformulate every dry feline diet we and everyone else makes. It made total sense to me. And as far as species appropriate, I was told the Hills MD and the Purina DM is very close to putting a mouse in a blend, tail and all, as far as nutrient balance. But remember, I’m the messenger, not the brilliant minds behind this stuff. The consensus is that carbs don’t cause diabetes. Obesity does. And carbs don’t cause diabetes any more than dietary fat does. Now that’s not the popular opinion by You Tubers and pet bloggers, but that is the current opinion based on the accumulation of evidence. It reminds me that managing disease is very unnatural and has little to do with species appropriateness. When they say cats don’t require carbs, that’s absolutely true. When they say meat protein is required by cats, that’s true too. But that does not mean carbs can be bioavailable and digestible for many purposes for cats. Would vets talk more about nutrition with their clients if they realized diet could cause or at least worsen health conditions? Well as my one video shares, vets are getting tired of arguing but again we are thinking alike. I found if I wanted vets to discuss nutrition they needed to first see many commercial foods were unhealthy. The legal dept at Holls was always after me because I’d call the companies and get the nutrients and show them to my hospitals. That was a good motivation for the vets into nutrition, and some became interested. lol! Now I’m doing the same thing and not getting paid! I’m starting to wonder what the cost of Hills MD is and how the cost and nutrients would compare to some of the most popular high protein low carb foods! What’s a few to compare?

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy I think we share the same way of thinking in many ways. I think the mouse-in-a-blender analogy tells us many things, at a very simple and fundamental level. I have a hypothesis to offer - If obesity is the cause of diabetes, not carbohydrates, then what is the cause of obesity in cats? Could this be carbohydrates? If we work on the basis carbohydrates aren't overly "species appropriate" for carnivorous cats, with the knowledge we have about carbohydrates and sugar, blood sugar, and insulin, a simple conclusion to make would be carbohydrates can both cause diabetes in cats, and also obesity? In fact, when we consider this true for human nutrition, and we're omnivores, then you would expect this to be a much greater issue in feline nutrition. You make a very valid point that some carbs can be bioavailable, digestible, and have real benefits. I would add in moderation - certain fruits, certain vegetables, certain legumes, some grains - but only in moderation. Another great point you make, and one of the biggest issues I see in the way we feed our pets - is that many commercial foods are unhealthy. AAFCO allows that to happen, which is why so many commercial cat foods are high in carbohydrates. Here in Australia there are far less regulations. Conforming to AAFCO is voluntary. The lackluster standards we have, AS5812, merely reference AAFCO, and are a product of the pet food industry itself. You could argue it's more a tool to manipulate the ingredients panel and analysis in a way which hides the true nature of a pet food. Or in short, not for the benefit of the consumer. As for high protein/low carb dry dog foods in the US - Orijen is the obvious choice, now owned by Mars (an interesting topic in light of the "DCM scare" and recent Hill's lawsuit), or Crave (also Mars). I think Purina have higher protein foods in the US (not so much in Australia), and of course Blue Buffalo. I expect they're the brands more likely to readily disclose nutrients.

@@PetFoodReviewsAustralia that is the obvious question. Do excess carbs cause obesity? Remember I’m not the brilliant mind, just the messenger. Everything I can find indicates the consensus of research says overfeeding calories causes obesity, not carbs. One could also say genetics and metabolism has a lot to do with it too. The millions of cats on dry food that don’t become obese or go diabetic is good proof of that. I can agree with your belief and disagree with the board certified nutritionists, but that seems foolish to me. And when I look at those pushing the anti carb movement, they say such ridiculous things that I do know, it makes me doubt them with the things I don’t. And if the anti carb folks cared equally about the harmful excesses of protein and minerals in the diet, and tried balancing those concerns, they would gain much credibility in my mind. For now, I believe the experts! But I really am thinking I need to do a video on that Feline MD canned. I think folks in your camp would love it.

I have fed Science Duet Sensitive Stomach and Skin Small Breed to my two little girls, 15 and 10, but I just switched them both to Perfect Weight And Joint this past month. They both had blood work done and everything is perfect.

Well thank you!

the lower calories would be better for the obese prone dog but the higher nutrients in the All Life Stage food would not be the healthiest long term.

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Thank you so much! This is very encouraging. I really appreciate your feedback.

Glad to hear it!

Thanks! I’ll add it to the list to get to!

Why even ask him if it's not kibble it's bad to him 😂

​@@belindaking5369 True dat. Still slingin' that Hills and his tired repeated arguments

@@belindaking5369JFFD is one of the few companies which actually did a feeding trial. Not sure why you would make assumptions.

Does it have to be refrigerated? That's been a concern for me.

@mssmssmssmss no it's dehydrated I think

​@mssmssmssmss it's hard for me to find any kibble my dog will like so I hope she will enjoy. I tried the go dog food from one of Glenn's videos and she didn't like it so I switched her to hills science diet and she didn't like that either then I found out that food and like 15 other dog foods got contaminated because all their ingredients come from the same place so I'm hoping Carna4 works out better since it's family owned

@@user-uv3rs7zz7x I had been thinking about trying Dr. Harvey's freeze-dried base, Raw Vibrance formula, for my senior kidney patient dog who passed away recently. You add your choice of type and amount of protein. My Internal Medicine specialist didn't object. Unfortunately I somehow punctured the sample bag I purchased and so never tried it. If your dog is small, it might be worth trying.

I tried to get nutrient levels for this food and had no luck, so not impressed. Will have to try harder.

Hey OK, thanks for the comment. Let me first say I’m not trying to push highly processed foods with poor ingredients. Actually not pushing anything but the truth… and trying to protect pet parents like yourself from being ripped off. 34 years in an industry you learn a few things. So it’s common to believe all the research is biased because it’s done by the companies selling the food. I can totally understand that. But you need to understand the research is reviewed by the other board certified nutritionists who either work for competing companies who would love to find fault with or they are independent and don’t have a horse in the race. So if a company tried promoting some kookie idea they would lose credibility and that’s not good in the academic world. But also realize most food companies don’t do any research and don’t even have any credentialed nutritionists. And Royal Canin used feathers in a very specialized hydrolyzed diet that helped some suffering dogs that no other diet helped. You can’t ignore that! The results of therapeutic diets really can’t be disputed!

I agree! Glenn thinks he is the arbiter of truth, and no one else in the room is allowed to think. He is so disdainful of those with differences of opinion, even though his highly-touted board certified veterinary nutritionists don't agree on what he is pushing. Some of them actually think fresh foods, wholesome ingredients, and actually absorbable nutrition matters. If Glenn cared, he can look into the CANWI institute to see what other BCVN's are saying. But he won't, because he is biased.The big 5 pet food companies are unethical and should not be trusted. They prove this to us over and over again. About the chicken feathers, I believe beaks/feathers etc. do have manganese, so it might be an actual legit ingredient, but I would not trust the quality because of what you said... they are fundamentally unethical.

@@user-rm7zf4bw2b so should I apologize for my knowledge and experience of 34 years? Do you set that same standard for others sharing their opinion on KZfaq? There’s some things u know. It’s that simple. I went to the organization you mentioned. Founded by Dr Becker????!!!! That’s tells me pretty much what I need to know. But I’ll check out some of their articles. Maybe they do some good work. So I can only speak for Hills, having such a close relationship with the company and the people, but what makes you think they are unethical. And where did you get that impression? I’m curious and won’t assume. If I act like the arbiter of truth I think it’s because I care about pets and the people like me who love them as family. When I constantly hear misleading harmful information from Dr Becker, Dr Judy and the like, it makes me angry. They don’t care to get past their bias and actually do what’s best for pets. Instead they push their businesses and fame. Trust me, I would say lots more if I didn’t have self control. Everyone has a right to an opinion but some opinions should be challenged. I try and do that as respectful as I can.

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Aparently you missed the part about Dr. Donna Raditic being a co-founder of the institute. She is a board certified veterinary nutritionist, along with Dr. Joe Bartges (BCVN) who is also involved. You saw Karen Becker, and shut down, instead of looking into it further. Just shows your bias. Dr. Becker teamed up with the BCVN to get their expertise. Yes, I do set the same standard for those sharing their opinion! Shutting down other's viewpoints and opinions is wrong, no matter how high and mighty you think you are! Here is a playlist of said properly certified individuals kzfaq.info/get/bejne/g6moo92Q1puwgmw.html And try not to scream like a little girl when you see Dr. Becker, OK?

@@user-rm7zf4bw2b LOL! I have missed you! actually I did see that nutritionist but you are right. Guilty! When I see Dr Becker I do immediately shed doubt. Yes! Absolutely I am biased! So are you! So are these so called integrative vets! We all have lived thru experiences that shape how we look at evidence or lack there of! Watching Dr Judy’s videos I realized as a young vet she rejected the nutrition science of that day so today, having no working knowledge, she rejects all the new technology and innovations in nutrition. That’s her choice but very unprofessional for a vet…and someone considered an authority. Dr Barthes sounds familiar to me. Was he with RC at some point? I can’t remember. I don’t shut down people. I bring up their opinion which is why I show their own videos so I don’t misrepresent them, but then give the other perspective. It’s to not tell people what to believe but to think things thru. You send me a bunch of videos from Dr Becker? Not sure that makes any sense! lol! I know enough about nutrition to know there are better sources out there! I will check out that website though, hoping there’s some good info.

EXACTLY! He has been trained (brainwashed) for over 30 years to just keep repeating the same talking points and shut down any difference of opinion. They did a good job with him, because now he is shilling for them for free!

I like that he thinks.

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Well, suppose there's a reason why someone who believes in aliens and bigfoot doesn't know a lot about pet food

@@ZaryaTheLaika lol! That’s funny! I guess I don’t listen to him enough! Didn’t know he believed in Big Foot and aliens!

@@PetFoodPuzzleGuy Yeah, Steven Rinella and the others frequently have to tell Rogan to shut up and focus on the podcast topics

@@ZaryaTheLaika probably those psychedelics!