as much as Theo jokes around, when he is emotional and thorough with his thoughts he is the most relatable person on the planet

I could remember several years ago, I suffered severe depression and mental disorder. Was actually diagnosed with cptsd. Not until my wife recommended me to psilocybin mushrooms treatment. Psilocybin treatment saved my life honestly. 8 years totally clean. This is something that really need to be use globally to help people with related health challenges.

One of my favorite sayings about mental health and specifically anxiety is: Genetics load the gun and environment pulls the trigger. You can can be predisposed to mental health battles but grow up in a healthy atmosphere and never experience these issues. On the other hand grow up in chaos and you’re likely to manifest some sort mental health issues. Take care of your children folks…love them, support them give them the tools that you didn’t have. Glad Joe and Theo addressed this topic, it is often swept under the rug.

They are like the two uncles you never see but when you do you laugh your ass off

It’s crazy because the majority of people like him who are suffering are genuinely some of the most unique and amazing people to be around. ❤ Stay strong 💪 brotha.

Love when Theo gets real - helps people going thru similar shit

These conversations are so important. Thank you Joe and Theo.

I've never been diagnosed but I clearly have constant anxiety. And it makes sense when I'm told stories after my mom passed in 2021. Being smuggled into a country at night on a boat, doesn't help. My mom lived with anxiety all the time. It's so obvious now. She was always on the move, couldn't stay still, had to be doing SOMETHING all the time. She hated staying home too. She would push me and my brother so much. Eventually my brother started studying medicine and shit and was telling my mom what she was dealing with and to see a doctor. She tried to change but ultimately stayed in her ways until the end. Love her so much. Best person I've ever known, hands down. Best mother I could've hoped for. But yeah, she passed down this anxiety. I'm always thinking too much and it lead to being diagnosed with depression, taking meds, etc. No wonder I can't stand still either. Boredom gives me anxiety.

so glad theo went on JRE again. we need this twice a year

Really glad to hear Joe say he has another perspective on depression now. Heard him so many times say "Just get up and workout and you'll be fine". Paraphrasing but to that effect. Appreciate him recognising the truth about true mental illness.

As an older adult, I learned a valuable lesson. I saw this in myself and many others. If you are faced with a problem that you don't know how to solve and don't have the tools or knowledge to solve it, you will become anxious. If you stay in that situation day after day, you will be trained to immediately become anxious. Think of a teacher demanding homework or testing on subjects that weren't properly taught. Or a boss or client who are unable to explain their needs but will hold you responsible anyway. Once in a while, it happens, but if it's every day, you have to change the dynamic. Get away if you can't fix it. This isn't good for you long term.

Theo hit the nail on the head with his explanation of depression and SSRIs, for me at least! I just switched from Zoloft to Wellbutrin earlier this month (I was having annoying side effects), but an SSRI basically keeps your head above water, and creates a baseline for you. You still have to do the work to maintain your physical health and even your mental health to an extent, but without it, it’s like there’s an anchor tied to your leg that makes it 10x harder to stay afloat.

Half the country can relate to taking antidepressants or anti anxiety meds unfortunately. I'm glad Theo opened up.

Man Theo is such an amazing human. Only person in that realm I can relate to.

Anxiety happens when you think you have to figure out everything all at once. Breathe . You're strong. You got this Take it day by day.

I really liked the way Theo described his emotional levels/experiences. It felt very honest and relatable.

We love you Theo stay strong brother.

I love episodes like these that shine light on depression and anxiety. Anxiety made me drop out of school, I didn't know it was anxiety at the time, but every time I was there, I would get super nauseous and would have to run out of class to the bathroom often. Even till this day, when I'm with my girlfriend I still anxiety vomit often. I'm currently taking anti depressants and anxiety meds and it makes me feel normal.

It’s important to live in the moment. The past brings depression & the future anxiety.🙏👊

Theo is as real as it gets.

I agree with Theo that anxious parents pass it to their child, and it doesn't even need to be a genetic thing.

I’m really glad to hear Theo be so open about his depression and taking meds. As well, to hear that Joe has changed his outlook on mental health disorders from a weakness of character or will and discipline to no longer believing that. Time and time again I still battle with that belief in my head, that I have depression and anxiety because I’m weak willed or I’m just not doing enough. It’s the shame that comes with this illness , and all it does is prevent you from getting better. Glad to hear Joe has changed his outlook.

You guys are helping an amazing number of people, young and older. I'm SOOOO thankful for you both.

I’ve dealt with Anxiety my whole life, it’s a horrible thing to live with. You have to calm your triggers, working out , cold showers, meditating , and journal seems to be a bandaid on the anxiety .

Wow. Great clip. Totally know how that feels when you get that drop. Strangely I was the only person in my family who ever had anxiety. I think it’s due to childhood shit. Taken me years to get to a point of managing it as best I can. Still get the odd drop, but mostly good now. Thank you for this clip guys. 🙏❤️

I’ve never done ayahuasca, but shrooms made me go from being suicidal to being straight up happy. I take them every 2-3 months, and they’re generally much more effective than SSRIS for my depression. They also are the best drug I’ve ever taken for migraine prevention, and I’ve tried everything from anti-seizure meds to Botox. It’s amazing how effective certain psychedelics can be for an array of medical issues

I was diagnosed with anxiety and depression when I was in my 30s and it makes alot of things make sense for why I was the way I was in my younger years. I've been prescribed medication and sometimes even prescribed medications that would create worse effect when working with one another. Like your guest said , it's like a constant battle throughout the day. I can still do what I have to , but over time it does take alot of confidence to push through. That's why exercising is so important because it gives me a sense of confidence and that would make me narcissistic, but the narcissism is to combat the depression. That's me tho. Thanks for the information. 😁

This conversation is so real, so relatable, so intriguing and so raw. I linked this to my wife to point to exactly how I feel in some situations and SSRI. I've been taking the same as Theo for the last 6 years and I find it near impossible to taper off. It's really great to hear such an authentic point of view and to know that I'm not the only one that is dealing with this. I mean, I know I'm not, but hearing him talk about it in so much detail that mirrors my feelings in such intricate detail, it was really an "uh huh!" moment for me. 2:18 resonated with me to the core. Thank you very much for sharing Theo.

This guy is amazing. I hope he recovers and continue to flourish! ❤

Theo is the best at explaining this to Joe. I relate to Joe who has, in the past, had a very hard time understanding BUT has come to see that there truly are people that must medicate to allow themselves to take the best care of themselves

Joe is like that supportive cool uncle that i never knew i needed but i watch him on youtube rather than hangout in real life. His clips always bring me entertainment, knowledge and even in this one a little bit of peace of mind seeing as he understands how messed up anxiety and things of that nature can be. I swear these videos are like a therapy session sometimes. Thank you for having this platform and being such an awesome guy Joe 🙏❤️. I can imagine a friendship with you would be extraordinary

Thank you to both of yall! Theo hit this on the nail. Im 2 months off my ssri and im struggling hard. Ive been exercising and working hard but it doesn't get me to where i feel "normal". I hate taking meds but im struggling after my wife passed. Maybe i should go back to my dr and start taking paxil again. It definitely helps me i just start feeling better and think i dont need it. Again, thank both of yall.

Psychedelic’s definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it’s just so hard to source here

Thank you Joe and Theo just hearing you guys kick it and talk helps alot of us escape reality for just a minute and lets is know we aren't the only ones feeling some type of way. Much love 🍻

Got diagnosed by the VA during rehabilitation with PTSD, ADHD, Bipolar 1, manic depression, suicidal ideation, anxiety, sleep disorder, and substance use disorder. As someone like this I can relate to Theo in so many ways. Theo is a badass man. Love that guy.❤

I’m really happy to hear Rogan a lot more open minded on this stuff. I’ve started taking SSRIs and was very hesitant mainly due to the stigma around it. I want to be tougher and be able to be proactive in taking care of my mental health, but when you’re really in a rut it’s hard to gain motivation to do anything. I’ve already noticed a huge difference in my outlook on life and feel a lot better equipped moving forward to take care of myself, not allow myself to overthink too much etc. I’m on a low dose so hopefully I can stop taking them at some point and move forward with a better mindset.

Always good to listen to these 2

I really respect Theo's ability to be vulnerable, open and understanding. It's such a good example to men.

I suffer daily. I'm glad more people are coming out about their mental health issues. Makes me not feel so alone.

I’m Always depressed and have anxiety and I’m on prescription but it doesn’t work. I know that eating well and exercising helps! But just getting started is so hard having a full time job and 5 kids at home. Biggest thing I struggle with is coming home late from work and having dinner ready!

Theo von makes me click faster then any other guest Gang

“Have another family ..” I burst out laughing and then the video ends 😢

theo is a very natural conversationalist, and one of those people that makes you feel comfortable while they're talking

We need more and more of these conversations

I love Theo!!! Never stop being you brother!!! ❤️✨

Theo puts into words the feelings that so many of us have. It’s relieving to know he is trying to navigate the waters of SSRI’s too….

Thanks for your honesty. Especially Theo.

Hell yeah thanks dudes for being so open and honest about the struggles with mental health.

Mental health issues can be absolutely genetic. Neural connections are formed through traumatic experiences which literally rewires your brain and gene combinations pass this down. You’ve got a huge nerve running from your brain to your gut, heart and lungs which can heighten emotional responses. I have a Psych degree and been teaching for nearly 20 years and what Theo said about alcoholism and his shirt analogy is fucking profound. You’re a treasure mate 👍

Sometimes we feel like we're alone in our struggles but then you talk to people and find out that we all struggle. I think it's really important for Joe and Theo to talk about these things so people can realize they're not alone.

Man, I really needed to hear this. Theo is awesome. His descriptions of some things are right on. I should get back on meds for the same reasons he said. Joe is always awesome as well.

great convo

I literally broke down at work today hit coming home and seeing this reprobate Theo open up makes me so happy! That’s bro!

Psychedelic's definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it's just so hard to source here

I used to take lexapro for depression, suicidal ideation, then quetiapine for substance abuse depressive disorder. Those drops in emotion, sudden rage and drastic changes like that started because I tried to stop the meds. But I continued being off of them and stood that way cause I realized it was making it worse than before I took them, while I was on them daily though, I felt like happy but for no reason. Then I started doing shrooms the correct way and man was that the best decision I could have taken (not encouraging people to take them, it’s my experience) but yea the difference being that shrooms made me understand and see the ‘why’ I was in a bad mental space, and made me see it in a different light. I’m now off of the things that made me the worse version of myself

good insight from u Joe about ur previous views

I was on generic prozac, I can say that it does work. The short time I was on it, I noticed that the small things didn’t bother me. Stayed on for a year then decided to wean off. I didn’t feel it was right to be on medication. I can definitely get behind genetics and environment playing a role in bringing out anxiety. My mom is definitely why I am the way I am. But I love her and recognize it wasn’t on purpose. I too use exercise as a way to stay in check.

Man I wish Theo and Joe would do a once a week podcast together. Every episode they’ve ever since together is hilarious and heart warming.

Those ssri's are rough. First week is like hell. I always have the worst insomnia and get really paranoid and grumpy until they are fully in your system. I never liked that part because I felt like a different person and like another whole part of myself was shut down. THEO you are so awesome! You're always so unexpected.

Great interview!

These two have such a strange, powerful, awkward chemistry

Anxiety is horrible you feel shortness of breath when in a room with a few people , your heartbeat increases , leg starts shaking, you cant look people in their eye when communicating with them

These two were ON POINT for this one! One of the funniest podcasts to date!

Thank you Theo for the honesty.

When Theo talks about his internal battle when he is off his SSRIs, it really sucks, but that's a side effect of withdrawal from the SSRIs that takes months to years to subside. They're so hard to get off. Just like cigarette withdrawal makes you anxious and angry, SSRI withdrawal makes you feel super depressed.

i see a lot of influencers doing ayahuasca, and having great results with it. where can a normal mid-low class guy like me access that connection to the source? i've seen many accounts but, really would love to have my own experience. i wish we lived in a world where we all had access to that level of healing.

My grandma was always anxious. My parents both didn't suffer from anxiety. I got full on ADHD, panic disorder, and GAD. I train hard and eat right so I am doing way better these days. I get anxious feelings, but I am able to get through them quickly now.

Two genuine guys. Thank you Joe and Theo for everything you guys do! ❤

Micro dosing is absolutely amazing!!

Theo being real about his mental health is just everything. He can be a real jokester but this convo is just 🥰

Great topic and guest!

i feel exactly the same as Theo, u aint alone keep ur head up fam

What I have found is that people who are highly intelligent, and ate “thinkers” tend to deal more with anxiety/depression. Sometimes when you try to find an answer to a problem that basically has no solution, it causes anxiety. That prolonged anxiety then leads to depression. Been there done that unfortunately.. I agree that beyond genetics it can be a learned response from your parents actions in dealing with their problems.

“If someone’s always tickling you, you’re always going to feel tickled. Even if they are tickling you with words” -Theo Von Truer, deeper, funnier words have never been spoken. Love you Theo ❤

These two together... just made my day 😂

I hope everyone who’s going through anything is doing well ❤

I feel what Theo is saying, I'm living it too. Everyday is a battle...

Mental Health is REAL! I like when Joe has guests on that discuss mental health, from his friends to former or active military. It needs to be talked about more.

wow its been a long time since I've seen Joe come around to something like this. I think hustling and working out are very helpful to mental health. But my brains dopamine system is off. I put off taking medication for years, and blamed myself for not being hard enough, which in turn made me more depressed and then I'd stop working out and it was viscous cycle.

SSRI's and sports (specifically running or BJJ, but anything really), are a great combination. The sports help take away all the bad energies and anger, and the SSRI just helps getting through the day/weekend without contantly thinking about something stupid you did at work, or some presentation you have on Monday. That was spot on.

That battle he talks of is something I think WE ALL feel. That's nature brother, the nature of good Vs evil.

Lol ending on “have another family” is wild 😂

Joe out here low key saving ppl and being our therapist. God bless and GANG GANG 🤘🏽

The conversations between you and Theo and you and Duncan make me feel so good fr. Man I relate with Theo so hard in this clip. Most of the time its something happy that will put me into a deep sadness idk why but man its terrifying how quick you can flip. Aye do a show with both Theo and Duncan at once. Bet the chemistry is litty. Just gave myself my 100th tattoo to try to get out of a bad funk, tattood "Sad" on my forehead but I forgot that shit in a mirror is backwards haha it didn't help until I noticed it was backwards

Theo is so likeable. How could anyone dislike him?

For many mental disorders e.g anxiety, it has a lot to do with the individual’s environment as-well as genetics. Meaning, if your family has a long line of anxiety, you’re likely to develop it IF your environment exposes you to anxiety inducing scenarios.

Gained a whole new level of respect about the way you two interact. Thank you ❤

Were all struggling with something. Why it's so important to be kind to each other.

I really feel that all my anxiety since 30 years old comes from my belly and guts. Some foods will make it worse, and some probiotics almost make it dissappear. I think people with extreme anxiety like me should give a try with a wide range of probiotics ... it really feels that those make something truly powerful, to anyone reading this please make the experiment, you have nothing to lose.

see I feel a battle everyday but I truly refuse to take medicine to cope with whatever I’m dealing with? I don’t know if I’m wrong and I don’t want to waste time and my health trying to find out

I love Theo! He is so authentic and endearing. Zoloft is simply Teflon in a pill for the hyper sensitive. My brother was a casualty of an NPD mother. Not due to genetics but trauma since infancy....I was there. As an infant I was farmed off to my mother's patient parents which saved me. Trauma and abuse will damage any soul.

Wow didnt know Theo was on SSRIs. I'm on them too and it just numbs me out. It does help me to halt overthinking, but if youre not doing things outside of SSRIs, itll just put you to sleep. Exercise has been very helpful. Theo's honesty ❤

As someone who takes ssris for years, I can really relate to Theo on this

I think us sufferers of depression have been traumatised too much in life and can’t find a way to get any comfort. If people have hurt you, you stop seeking their embrace and genuine love is important for survival. Plus the world is a total shit show right now. Just do your best and be kind to yourself and others. ❤

Learn something new each time on JRE 💯

Theo comes up with such great analogies.

Let's goooo with that hitter booyysss!!!

Joe u know. Respect brother. 👊🏾

Crazy I’ve been struggling with ADHD for years and I’m finally starting to realize how bad it is. Still not on any medication just because I’m scared of having to rely on something everyday. It sucks that I know it would probably change my life for the better… but still can’t seem to pull the trigger on it

People that don't have clinical depression will never understand what those of us that do have it go through. People just can't understand that physically painful aching at the center of you that comes outta nowhere. If they've never experienced it they put it in the same catagory as, just feeling bummed out, or sad. But for some of us it's a total lack of meaning, and motivation. A joyless world where nothing has meaning.