Joel Kotkin | Elites: The New Ruling Class?

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In this Direct interview, John is joined by American demographer, academic and author Joel Kotkin. John and Joel discuss some of the key theses of Joel’s widely-praised recent book, 'The Coming of Neo-Feudalism'.
Joel shines the spotlight on the Western progressive elite or, as he terms them, the 'new clerisy', who sideline and silence anyone who speak or, increasingly, think against the orthodoxy. He paints a worrying comparison between this status quo, the Chinese experience of authoritarianism and the medieval feudalism known to Europe for hundreds of years.
Joel Kotkin is often described as “America’s uber-geographer”, and is an internationally recognised authority on global economic, political and social trends. Mr. Kotkin is the Presidential Fellow in Urban Futures at Chapman University in Orange, California and Executive Director of the Houston-based Urban Reform Institute.
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00:00 Intro
01:26 How does geography shape society?
05:03 The new feudalism
08:00 Parallels of ‘policing of views’ in China and America
12:07 What does the new aristocracy believe?
21:38 Realignment of the left and right
26:58 Intolerant progressive elites
32:41 Class divides
45:44 The benefits of liberal democratic capitalism
52:06 The erosion of our freedoms
53:20 Conclusion
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@Rosemary-bd2ul 3 жыл бұрын

As John Anderson stated "you can't get good public policy without a good argument" When debate is shut down our collective freedoms are lost.

@kaitiearabianlover12 Жыл бұрын

L😊p😅😊u😊😊nn

@djames819 2 жыл бұрын

People should be wary of working from home. If your work can be done remotely, it can be done from anywhere and there are likely human resource options "offshore" that are much, much cheaper. Your presence, in person, should be seen as a necessity.

@getsmartquick Жыл бұрын

Oh I thought you were going to talk about ai replacing people

@michaelgiffin2621 3 жыл бұрын

I think of John Anderson as a father figure, but he's a big younger than I am and we probably sat for the HSC the same year. I'm sorry his attempt to return to politics has been derailed, but what he does with these podcasts is probably more important. I'm proud to subscribe to this channel.

@fenlander7114 3 жыл бұрын

Oh dear, can you share any more info about the derailment? I do agree John’s podcasts are both most important and I look forward to each episode with keen interest.

@JohnAndersonMedia 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind support Michael!

@harpindersingh8083 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Mr Anderson I'm Indian British living in Midlands uk never heard a honest politician or human being who don't afraid to say the write things thnx for honest conversation . Harpinder Singh Birmingham England.

@karljuhnke8882 2 жыл бұрын

America started down the road to mimicking China' dictatorial bent when the neo liberal free market destroyed the working class and turned those who would once have been dressmakers or machine operators are now spilling out the doors of our universities as tick a box psychologists and the like. All full of their own importance and lacking any humility.

@Bungadin2845 2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know what sort of politician he was but John Anderson is one the best interviewers in the English speaking world now.

@rizzobitz 2 жыл бұрын

This is an incredible discussion. Thank you so much. ❤ I love when John said, "If you don't allow people to ask questions, to voice their concerns, they won't own the solution you push on them." ... Brilliant!

@ingerhayman458 2 жыл бұрын

What a joy this was. The importance of understanding history!

@jimluebke3869 3 жыл бұрын

It's absolutely heartwarming to hear someone with John Anderson's demeanor, talking about keeping political debate alive.

@DavidJ-iz8wl 2 жыл бұрын

It’s neat that we can connect with others outside of our own countries who share the same ideas about society, social issues, etc.

@pluckydad 3 жыл бұрын

John Anderson is one of my favorite interviewers. I love his interviews. I sure wish he would interview Thomas Sowell. That would be a real mind expander.

@stevencruise5516 2 жыл бұрын

Imho his least useful interview to date. Most are very good tho

@steenkigerrider5340 3 жыл бұрын

"We will buy you off" Sounds exactly like classical Roman times, "bread and games". One of the factors that contributed to the eventual collapse.

@megapassiveincome7224 2 жыл бұрын

Good point

@Rehook2 2 жыл бұрын

Yeap but it doesn't necessarily mean it could be otherwise. You're born, you grow up and you decay, it's a natural process that can't be avoided.

@mw3516405 2 жыл бұрын

That about sums it up ! States has big For sale signs everywhere !

@mw3516405 2 жыл бұрын

And that's what they do too

@robertp5998 2 жыл бұрын

So many games and so much food in the States. Easy comforts and easy distractions.

@tonykehoe123 2 жыл бұрын

It’s mind blowing how such a learned person should know exactly what we ALL know .

@majorbarbara1 2 жыл бұрын

LOL

@Tubingonline1 2 жыл бұрын

Your comment made me chuckle :)

@dillanwendel3721 3 жыл бұрын

I’m really confused as to why this channel doesn’t have more views

@tulkus 3 жыл бұрын

I was just going to ask the same question

@stacyliddell5038 3 жыл бұрын

Because the Tech Oligarchs probably don't push it with their algorithms.

@stephenadams2397 2 жыл бұрын

I know why. More people aren't watching it.

@monicaericsson9558 2 жыл бұрын

Share it !

@TREMVan 2 жыл бұрын

shaddow banning...

@margaretgreenwood4243 2 жыл бұрын

The Labour Party was always a “Jam Tomorrow “ party. I grew up in the London Docks. I’m 78. The working class have always been despised in the UK. We the working class who are far from stupid (that’s why they hate us) have seen today coming for decades now. We have no representation except the vote as a protest voice. People in glass houses should be careful throwing stones. Trump is a builder. ‘Trade’ to the Posh! He voiced, crudely or not, the fears of workers and we like him. It’s our frustration that says ‘🖕to you’. We are THE most tolerant of peoples as we are all ‘mongrels’ as my dad would say. We have taken in everybody. We know however that the reason they are flooding the country with migrants is to drive down wages and break up communities. I have a book called ‘Slavery in Ancient Greece’ (left by my daughter who studied The Humanities) which says “chose slaves of different cultures and beliefs so they can’t plot against you”.

@johne6081 3 жыл бұрын

"Don't know much about history, ... , don't know much geography ..." Thank you, Joel.

@pierrepence9876 3 жыл бұрын

LOL, dude!

@barbararadle1680 2 жыл бұрын

Herman’s Hermits originally

@johne6081 2 жыл бұрын

@@barbararadle1680 I thought it was originally a Sam Cooke song.

@ISpitHotFiyaa 2 жыл бұрын

His point about housing is right on. Countries like the US and especially Australia and Canada have absurd amounts of empty land. In the US there's something like seven acres per person and Canada and Australia are both probably ten times that. Yet government planners prevent that land from being used. Those restrictions drive up the price of housing. They're essentially manufacturing poverty by making housing a Soviet-style command economy (complete with Soviet-style shortages).

@Eric-kn4yn Жыл бұрын

Most migration is to big cities migrants don't want regional and have to be coerced to live their who cares how many 100s of acres per person

@jacklondon295 3 жыл бұрын

John is a superb interviewer.

@jeffsmith673 2 жыл бұрын

Great conversation and while I agree with much of what is said in this interview, Trump was never called a racist until he became president and made enemies of both the legacy news media and many politicians. Abrasive? Yes. Racist? No.

@jeffreywhitman1298 2 жыл бұрын

This is a totally accurate observation!

@greensorrel6860 2 жыл бұрын

No when he was donating to the Democratic Party he was a successful businessman and they all wanted to rub elbows with him

@donjohnstone3707 2 жыл бұрын

As a populist politician, Trump panders to racists, religious bigots and anyone who can vote, to gain supporters but is he racist or religious? Probably not. That sort of issue doesn't interest him, because he is totally obsessed with gaining personal power and wealth for himself, so he and Trump Inc. can be above the law and able to make as much money as they possibly can from any immoral, unethical, crooked/criminal activity he wants to pursue. His most defining characteristic is that he seems to place no limit on how far he is willing to go, legal or illegal, to get money for himself.

@JoeHeine 2 жыл бұрын

“Racist” is just a modern way of saying “heretic”

@mcshutup5598 Жыл бұрын

that is completely false, he was called racist a lot when he questioned obama's birth certificate, which was long before he became president

@davebellamy4867 2 жыл бұрын

29:55 "Don't ask that question." The electricity will not be there. That will price the population out of cars and tax them out of gasoline. Good point also. When there are blackouts, your electric car won't get you out of there either.

@tulkus 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you again Mr Anderson. I asked a friend recently if he watches your podcast. He just nodded, and said: "He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight" We just winked at each other quietly and carried on about our day. Safe in the knowledge that we two both at least, understood the importance of your wisdom at this place, in this time 🇦🇺

@JohnAndersonMedia 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the support! It is greatly appreciated!

@gedofgont1006 2 жыл бұрын

Thank God for interviews like this. It seems they are an increasingly rare event nowadays.

@fenlander7114 3 жыл бұрын

I'm trying really hard to imagine Scotty from Marketing providing anything approaching the quality of these interviews... John Anderson operates at an entirely greater quality level of intellectual curiosity and intelligent assessment, a real asset to Australia.

@patriciakimball8150 3 жыл бұрын

And a real asset to the rest of the world too!

@ausforaus7617 3 жыл бұрын

Yes ...... the current bunch of politicians lack intellect ..... Australia needs a one strong leader who makes decisions based on wide research, not hide behind some bureaucrat doctor ....... right or wrong, agree or disagree, at least we would have a leader

@fenlander7114 3 жыл бұрын

@@ausforaus7617 Absolutely agree. Recalling that the very word “government” derives from the Latin word for rudder, then voters are passengers aboard the ship of state and bureaucrats are its crew. The purpose of politicians is to be in effect the officers elected by the passengers to both keep the crew in line and most importantly to steer the ship effectively for the benefit of all concerned.

@robsandon05 3 жыл бұрын

@@fenlander7114 nice comment

@rolandtours8404 3 жыл бұрын

"Hear, hear" from New York!

@simewood2040 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great conversation in this era of intolerance and authoritarianism. It is to our great loss that anti-trust initiatives of the early twentieth century were a complete failure, undermined by our perennial global gilded glass. They grow richer, aloof from criticism or accountability, shielded by their cutout politicians.

@sunnyla2835 3 жыл бұрын

In about 1982, I was taking an Anatomy and Physiology course at a community college in Oakland, CA, as a prerequisite for nursing school. The instructor - Urion Gallin-Galler- told our class that he did not give any student less than a grade of C, if they earned a D or F, they would still get a C grade. I was absolutely flabbergasted! So this actually started at least 40 years ago where a student who got a D or F in ANATOMY AND PHYSIOLOGY (of all things) would/could still be admitted to nursing school. Excuse me, but am I crazy for expecting any medical professional to have a good understanding of the human body?!? Educational standards have consistently been lowered since then and appear to have gone completely off the rails.

@sylviam6535 3 жыл бұрын

That has to do with student retention = keep the tuition fees coming in.

@cyclist68 2 жыл бұрын

In the words of Victor Davis Hansen The new elites never have to live with the consequences of the decisions they make on our behalf.

@DanHowardMtl 3 жыл бұрын

Book reference: Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It Matters Hardcover - April 27, 2021 by Steven E. Koonin (Author)

@robertestrada3104 2 жыл бұрын

I would like to thank John for his commentary on the Church of the Middle Ages. To dismiss the activities of the Church with a broad brush is a mistake. Much of contemporary technology and creature comforts were introduced by Catholic monks and their respective orders.

@clivefrear1784 2 жыл бұрын

Wise words from two respected citizens who have earned the right to speak with authority

@pauld9561 3 жыл бұрын

Freedom must be fought and died for again, and again.

@no.7593 3 жыл бұрын

In the UK the the effects you talk about are magnified enormously.

@majorbarbara1 2 жыл бұрын

Say more!

@DavidNotSolomon 3 жыл бұрын

RE: buying a house in the regions for a 'fraction' of city houses - even they are way overpriced compared with city houses 10 years ago, and there are no jobs out there.

@grannyannie6744 3 жыл бұрын

I live in a region, during covid house prices have risen by a third, houses are selling for $50 000 above asking price. Most of the buyers live in Melbourne.

@johne6081 3 жыл бұрын

Work From Home has been changing that for decades.

@briansmith4724 3 жыл бұрын

Thank You Both for Sharing your Perspective. 😊 For Now, we are Still Allowed to see it.

@patc9102 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for posting this. For the past month I have been reflecting on the past 2 years. This interview brings great clarity to the questions I have been asking myself. Would love to listen to these men chat with Jordan Peterson.

@pj61114 2 жыл бұрын

Amen to that!

@steffenandre1204 2 жыл бұрын

Outstanding solid-ground talk in our debris-flooded world. Thank you.

@hostashevsky 3 жыл бұрын

All these discussions are very interesting and intelligent. But what should we actually do in order to prevent this slide into the abyss ?

@ARod-br2ui 3 жыл бұрын

I thoroughly enjoyed this interview myself.

@JoelEverettComposer 3 жыл бұрын

Exactly; we have a diagnosis of our social ills, but no course of treatment.

@ARod-br2ui 3 жыл бұрын

I’m asked quite regularly where and how to find all these books for my personal library, my response is, from watching shows such as these. I will be purchasing a copy of this book from Mr.Kotkin.

@ridesharegold6659 3 жыл бұрын

James Lindsay over at New Discourses is the probably the closest to formulating a counter strategy.

@marionreynolds7080 2 жыл бұрын

Re History John and Joel - instinct tells me that like the U.K., History is not a compulsory subject in Australia and the US. As Joel says, a knowledge of history keeps you humble.

@AK-hk3hs 2 жыл бұрын

What a fantastic discussion by notables...thank you. Asking the right questions.

@reginocolon8119 3 жыл бұрын

This gentleman made a good point that there is a alliance between the over educated and under educated. I wonder if he knows he's part of that alliance.

@jimuren2388 3 жыл бұрын

I believe he considers himself in the process of becoming a class traitor lol.

@escalatingentropy4542 2 жыл бұрын

Research "Elite overproduction theory"

@michaelwoehrl1746 2 жыл бұрын

He always votes for it.

@callmeishmael7452 3 жыл бұрын

Elites of the world unite! You have nothing to lose but your maids.

@mylovechoerry2233 3 жыл бұрын

ahahah

@LloydieP 2 жыл бұрын

I've just recently discovered our guest. Can't wait to read his recent book!

@viewer3091 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this Great Conversation.Two Great Educators.

@gaspersignorelli3724 2 жыл бұрын

Kotkin is an interesting writer but he has to make the great leap. He's saying the Democratic Party has been taken over by antidemocratic progressives, yet he can't vote Republican. For certain types of New York Jewish liberals voting Republican is like losing a limb. But for the good of the polity, and his own self-respect and consistency, he has to make that self amputation.

@jbbd1772 2 жыл бұрын

damn, you are spot on!!!...thanks for exposing

@direwolf6234 2 жыл бұрын

back in the 60s jacpb javits a republican got re-elected many times...

@tomcondon6169 2 жыл бұрын

In the late 1950s when Eisenhower made his, "Military Industrial Complex," speech, it was the Republicans in power. The central bankers, through their agents, the British Crown, or their agents, the Jesuits, infiltrate every organization, are highly capitalized, and shout the rhetoric of the group they joined the loudest, and are tasked with gaining leadership.

@herzkine 2 жыл бұрын

Eewww, no Republican cult is even worse, if they still were ok, but no fear if lizarfmd people and hillary should get you to vote those faux conservatives. Only thing they arent always in the top elites is they dont want losers like trumo in their Club.

@heidicarman9097 2 жыл бұрын

Joel didn't wake up soon enough! Trump supporters are not a minority or white nationalists.

@petermathieson5692 3 жыл бұрын

Yet another good one, John. Thanks.

@flashgordon6510 3 жыл бұрын

New ruling class? When were the elites not the ruling class? It's always been that way.

@escalatingentropy4542 2 жыл бұрын

This is the worst elites in world history. The entire point of elites, or at least aristocracy (and monarchy) is to represent and imbue onto society values that the plebs see as important. Its to actually have elites with skin in the game. America's elites have absolutely zero skin in the game because they're so delusional, they don't even think they're elite. Its an inversion of reality, one look at the average actor in Hollywood says it all. To them, especially the Boomers, there will forever be some "evil" right wing they're trying to fight. I heard recently journalist Michael Tracey tell of his experience going to a Juneteenth event hosted by Chuck Schumer's office where only 50 people showed up, in NYC, and he pointed out how bizarre it was that during Schumer speaking, he was telling the mainly black audience of 50 people in a public park, that they're going to "fight the power". The compounding delusions of grandeur in America never fail to shock me.

@lorrainewest7408 2 жыл бұрын

Bigger slice of the pie. Neo Feudalism is said to be.

@networth8754 3 жыл бұрын

It is rare to hear a college professor articulate so much reason, logic and common sense. 14:48 he is correct regarding the level of educational attainment, median income, family orientation and work ethic of Asian-Americans.

@Shoshanim222 3 жыл бұрын

The Only Way back to our true Home is thru a relationship with Jesus. If you don’t have that, you are still in love with the world and are still of it and all of its snares. All the “isms” are about separation and not from a place of love. Ecc 4:1 So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold the tears of such as were oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors there was power; but they had NO comforter. Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me YE can do NOTHING.

@sallyjohnson5985 3 жыл бұрын

Oh stop with that!!

@thomassimmons1950 3 жыл бұрын

This cat gets somethings spot on, but drinks from much of the kool aid cooler he warns against. People...what ya gonna do?

@drmodestoesq 2 жыл бұрын

Mr. Kotkin nailed on thing about academia. If the idea of being Woke is to increase one's social prestige and the idea of going to a high ranked university is to elevate your prestige...what's going to happen when the academic standing of the university plummets?

@dinorivera9153 2 жыл бұрын

" I'm on a plane allot and what I really want is a really good pilot!" That line really sums it up! 😂😂😂

@cmotdibbler8105 3 жыл бұрын

How old is this interview? Apparently this guy has hope for Joe Biden. What??

@DennisRay99 2 жыл бұрын

Oh noooo

@alexverjovsky873 2 жыл бұрын

Bravo! What a great talk, I love this channel.

@JohnAndersonMedia 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!

@sukratu 2 жыл бұрын

One of the few who I feel would call for the scientific community to discuss across specializations regarding matters which have implications for public administration BEFORE going public!

@patriciakimball8150 3 жыл бұрын

Oh, how I adore john Anderson! 💕🙏

@JohnAndersonMedia 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the support Patricia!

@patriciakimball8150 2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnAndersonMedia and thanks for being such a mensch & tackling the Big Issues with such grace, brilliance, wisdom, sensitivity & respect. 🙋🏻‍♀️💕from San Francisco

@jimluebke3869 3 жыл бұрын

"You can't become an instant expert on anything" The closest you can get is to study history, because they've seen this before. ;)

@andrewblake2254 3 жыл бұрын

John, Australians have mostly been willing to go along with giving up some freedoms to suppress Covid as you say but why should they from now on when the vulnerable have been able to get vaxxed? And if not ready right now, we need a date when the restrictions WILL be lifted and people should take care of themselves. btw I am old and very vulnerable but I don't want that responsibility imposed on others.

@robynhefferan9561 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, I would never require the country shut down for my sake!

@timchildress2048 2 жыл бұрын

@@robynhefferan9561 Right. And I think that the bulk of vaccines has gone to where the most money is. Good example: the poor state of Mississippi in my country sort of fell by the wayside.

@mellymels13 5 ай бұрын

Planned to listen for a couple of minutes, but the conversation was so engaging that I couldn’t just pause after a short time Despite having different political views than the guest, I found myself agreeing with everything he said

@gordonlinton3555 3 жыл бұрын

"[Trump] didn't realise he wasn't in the bar in Queens talking to his friends" Joel fails to realise that Trump was talking to the people, directly, in their language. That this doesn't meet with Joel's approval says more about Joel than it does about the people or Trump. reality->perception->delusion->batShitCrazy Unlike Joel, 'the people' live between the reality and perception states. Reality is the teacher that smacks you in the face constantly. In this world, nice language is superficial, harsh truth is appreciated.

@hankmobley 2 жыл бұрын

Yep !

@robynhefferan9561 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Trump , De Santos, etc ahead of the curve - the progressives have been using the ‘niceness’ of conservatives to push their agenda fir years

@johnlund2036 2 жыл бұрын

That was the one area that really disappointed me. Trump could have said things better; however, he was often misquoted or quotes were taken out of context. He wasn’t sending out dog whistles or coded messages. Also he did not organize the “attacks” on the capital. There were a lot of suspicious characters and actions involved in those activities.

@neilatkinson3974 2 жыл бұрын

I love these guys who, though they now fall into the conservative area, won’t admit it; they cannot bare to give up the liberal label.

@robjob9052 2 жыл бұрын

he was speaking directly to his fellow academics there.

@dawnoliver2015 3 жыл бұрын

So WHY is Donald Trump an awful person? WHAT has he done that is so bad? Maybe you dont like his personality, but in fact he is known as kind and caring - despite there might be rough parts of his personality. When you say he is awful you really ought to explain yourself. Too many people get away with saying that. Prove it. What he DID for America is what counts.

@craigwillms61 3 жыл бұрын

@Cori's Closet Do a little work - if you're actually interested. There's a long list of incredible things Trumps has done for individuals great and small. But I doubt you care, because it's easier to hate and scream racist. Just because the media and lifers in the bureaucracy (who he was threatening to) wrote books doesn't mean they were true. Trump loves this country and despised those who were trying to destroy it - like the people you vote for.

@neilpollicino80 2 жыл бұрын

Trump is a sociopath. It’s an illness. His father made him that way. It’s very sad.

@sarramiller976 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, proof is what I can see. I saw numbers accelerate for good in the country I love affecting people that I love. Talk is way too cheap. You can say he is anything you want, but analytical thinkers see the numbers and laugh at your words.

@danapeck5382 2 жыл бұрын

Not to mention his many references in hip hop

@alexjones7845 2 жыл бұрын

@@neilpollicino80 Trump's children seem to be well adjusted adults that truly care about him. I'm not saying that is because of is parenting, but if he was really as bad as the media claims then his children would have distanced themselves from him.

@michaels4255 2 жыл бұрын

"they want national policies, they want top down policies, and they don't want the hoi polloi to get in the way" -- IOW, they want Soviet style central planning. Command and control!

@junerm21 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with John Anderson's concept of the Somewheres and the Anywheres. Very true.

@kp6215 2 жыл бұрын

This person is right as am 70 history teacher before computer degree at Cal Poly the neoliberal “we know better” without discussion of all people .

@jimluebke3869 3 жыл бұрын

Re: the NYT and "where the h**l was the editor" -- watch a recent interview with Bari Weiss, if you want a straightforward explanation and case study of what happened there.

@christopherrobbins9985 3 жыл бұрын

Great discussion. More of this please. I will follow Joel Kotkin's work more closely going forward. He seems to have some common sense to temper his ample intellect.

@lauramcconney9367 3 жыл бұрын

I'm 74 and I'm really sorry to say I believe if we don't rid ourselves of politicians who have been in office for more than 6 years and replace them with younger generations who are not bought and paid for by corporations we will never have class equality in the world. We are stuck in a vicious circle of individual greed! Politicians should be limited to one six year term. Eliminate all the life time perks that create corruption. Have more people participating in running the government who want change and they will be able to make change!!! Congress people must be on equal footing on day one. No more seniors silencing juniors!!! Open debate on all issues before the public and then roll call votes on all bills!!! No more secret deals at the pub!

@jamesbarr2357 2 жыл бұрын

John, great conversation.

@jimuren2388 2 жыл бұрын

It was interesting to see the clarity of thought in what Mr Kotkin had to say, but his off-the-cuff slams against Trump are jarring. Just as one example, the charges of dog whistles, white supremacy and racism against Trump takes a fully blindered intellect to swallow. Trump won many awards from Black orgs before running for office. Trump was beloved in Black popular culture (as one example, many Rap songs celebrate Trump’s persona and success). As President, Trump pursued many policies to help the Black community. And, though indirect, the pro-America US econ policy gave a lot of Blacks good jobs and sharply increased prospects. Yet, starting from day-1 of the Trump Admin, the media repeated continuously a Big Lie of Trump hatred of Blacks. If repetition of propaganda is enough to cloud Mr Kotkin’s judgment, well, I’ll say no more. To consider Trump a paragon, sure, it’s a bit much. Not to see that he is an immense force in the correct direction calls your intellectual creds into question …. in my opinion.

@tommatokovic1018 2 жыл бұрын

Dr. Kotkin never said why he thinks that in his words "Trump is an awful human being". To label someone this way, one has to provide some evidence. Crude talk doesn't make you an awful human being.

@dougtwigg3285 2 жыл бұрын

I found him quite humorous ,but very accurate ,but crying wolf about something he voted for his whole life ,and still voting for i imagine,is as worthless as tits on a fence post.

@yankeecornbread8464 2 жыл бұрын

I think that many intellectuals understand at an emotional level that they must denounce Donald Trump and populism in order to be taken seriously by their own circles. I was enjoying this interview until hearing the anti-Trump platitudes. Nevertheless, it’s worth listening to his other ideas. The topic brings back memories of the works of Marc Bloch that we read in college.

@lggood8375 2 жыл бұрын

That part of dissing Trump is the Liberal Trump hate syndrome. It's obvious he does not understand Trump and his polices.

@lawrenceturner7695 2 жыл бұрын

@@lggood8375 neither does Trump’s European allies. But Russia, China, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia understand him perfectly🤔🤫

@escalatingentropy4542 2 жыл бұрын

Many have seen this coming way, way before. From Oswald Spengler's "The Decline of the West" in 1918 to James Burnham's remarkable works "The Machiavellians" (1943), "Suicide of the West" and "The Managerial Revolution" (1941), to Howe & Strauss "The Fourth Turning" in the 90s, to Peter Turchin more recently, it all runs in cycles. This is the end of a much, much longer cycle, Kotkin isn't wrong about the return to medieval times, however, zoom out & perhaps America's constitution was built for this very outcome. A collapsing empire needs something to fall back on, or else it will end up with a split between Western & Eastern Rome, and degenerate into feudal warlords in the Western half for 1,000 more years. Except that the founding fathers came up with the solution in advance. Just adhere to its origins and the promise of America can be restored.

@kwnorton5834 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

@martynfenton3814 2 жыл бұрын

Sneaked in announcement a few days ago which is VERY worrying imo is that Lloyds Bank intend to start buying residential property... upto 50k houses. The UK build about 150 to 200k houses a year. This will drive up prices more and prevent an overdue correction imo

@jimluebke3869 3 жыл бұрын

Kotkin is the only urbanist worth listening to.

@Andrew-mv2qb 3 жыл бұрын

In Canberra a 11.5% electricity price increase was imposed on our population from the June 1st in the name of 100% renewable targets

@sylviam6535 3 жыл бұрын

Canberra is leftie central, so no surprises there.

@no-one-knows321 3 жыл бұрын

Since he's bought into climate crisis, I tune out.

@lorddigital4525 2 жыл бұрын

Nice discussion! Bring forth more such in future.

@reneejoubert230 3 жыл бұрын

Very insightful !! Thanks !!

@mjpucher 3 жыл бұрын

Until Kotkin started mindless Trump bashing I thought he was coherent. Trump is not a saint but he is a necessary element for change.

@johne6081 3 жыл бұрын

I think he admits that.

@jackieharper5520 2 жыл бұрын

Trump 2020🇺🇸

@tombrunila2695 2 жыл бұрын

It was thanks to Trump that Texans elected a Republican Governor!

@robynhefferan9561 2 жыл бұрын

Yes and not half as bad as they rave sbout

@paulmitchell5349 2 жыл бұрын

Trump said he'd drain the swamp. but he was just another alligator.

@iraeich 3 жыл бұрын

In other words Mr. Kotkin is saying..."give the hoi poloi time to love Big Brother. Becaus they will.

@moeuramo 2 жыл бұрын

The Trouble with the huge discrepancy with city and town house prices is creating a huge imbalances in wealth in Australia that we have never seen before

@Jopacob 2 жыл бұрын

The fallacy of Australian land is that there is a huge proportion of it is barely habitable, desert, rocks, dust and no water.

@tombrunila2695 2 жыл бұрын

The number system, the place values of digits, used in Western countries comes from India.

@jakubsokoowski5603 3 жыл бұрын

For someone that appears to kinda understand that modern journos aren't actually journalists but political activists for the far left he sure spouts a lot of legacy media talking points like "orange man bad". Keep voting for the left Joel, I guess the water isn't hot enough just yet for you to jump out. Be sure to not get boiled.

@maxsmart99 3 жыл бұрын

Too true

@HugoJL 3 жыл бұрын

@Cosmic Singularity Couldn't agree more. These people are so incredibly tedious

@angelaj8958 3 жыл бұрын

he is pointing out the things that formerly disparate groups have discovered they have in common

@iraeich 3 жыл бұрын

I discovered Kotkin was a fraud a while back. I listened in to see if he's changed or maybe I read him wong.Nope. He talks like a conservative but then tells us he's never voted for a Republican. That's his MO. He's still is talking white supremicist crap. He will never give Trump the credit for anything. And Trump accomplised alot.

@annbrucepineda8093 3 жыл бұрын

I suspect that he just wants to be sure he makes the world safe for his daughter; he doesn’t care about others. I totally agree he should stop thinking he can be elite. His daughter might be but will probably be ashamed of him even if he doesn’t support MAGA. President Trump is not an awful human being.

@waldensmith4796 2 жыл бұрын

Great show on the changing culture and the middle class not benefiting the guest from CA made some very good points.

@elizabethkajet5501 3 жыл бұрын

Fabulous discussion.

@michaels4255 2 жыл бұрын

"Let them eat cake" - Marie Antoinette never actually said this. It's fake history. She was an admirable woman who got an undeserved bad rap.

@robynhefferan9561 2 жыл бұрын

Well, I hadn’t heard that but watching how the socialists/marxists operate, I can see how it happened

@lorrainewest7408 2 жыл бұрын

She was Royalty, rich, entitled, sheltered, who was living in Palaces, disconnected, totally disconnected from outside her realm. A figurehead woman with no say in the matter, the mistress had more power than her.

@lorrainewest7408 2 жыл бұрын

@@robynhefferan9561 Go see the Palace of Versailles the sight of it even by todays standards will give you some idea of the whys and the how. The Les Miserables.

@michaels4255 2 жыл бұрын

@@lorrainewest7408 She was the king's wife. Women were not supposed to have power back then. Even reigning queens were only allowed when no male heir was available. Traditionally, the public has always disliked wives of rulers pulling strings behind the scenes.

@michaels4255 2 жыл бұрын

@@lorrainewest7408 The Palace of Versailles was not the reason for the peasants' poverty, and revolution did not improve their lot.

@jenniferbrasuell5060 3 жыл бұрын

Great interview..but he has a rude awakening politically...he better embrace conservatism real quick

@nonfictionone 3 жыл бұрын

Economically left, socially conservative. Like me. There’s a new political party coming because I’ve got no one to vote for currently.

@grannyannie6744 3 жыл бұрын

The current conservative parties are just as bad. All they conserve are leftist social policies. To resist becoming fodder to the future feudal overlords we need a complete return to traditionalism.

@danschwartz8989 3 жыл бұрын

Don’t hold your breath. Constitutionally incapable of departing his liberal orthodoxy or its bible, the NY Times.

@michaels4255 2 жыл бұрын

A fundamental problem is that all the candidates are heavily funded by corporate oligarchs. We need citizens' organizations that can raise large sums of money from a large swath of individual small donors and thus fund individual candidates without recourse to the big money donors.

@nonfictionone 2 жыл бұрын

@@michaels4255 as long as big business funds politicians then politicians work for... big business. The idea of democracy is that they work for their constituents, NOT the few ‘owners’ of course. A US Politician recently retired and said when he shaved every morning he asked himself ‘what are ten things I can do for my donors today’. Thus democracy is not functioning while big business is allowed to fund politicians (as can be seen as ‘the working man’ has suffered steadily reducing income for decades). So I don’t think we should try and compete with the oligarchs funding, it needs to be stopped. Step two: they have to pay some tax like the rest of us (because funnily enough they have designed the system so that they alone don’t pay any).

@jaydouglas8170 3 жыл бұрын

At 50:45 Joel talks about a complete lack of trust in the institutions. RIGHT ON THE TARGET. At 51:40 John nails it when he says there has to be a bit of HUMILITY from these "elites" and THAT is why there is no trust in the institutions; because they have no humility and any dissenting voice is shut down. Logic, reason, and critical thinking, are foreign concepts to these people. "When you cut out a persons tongue, you are not proving that what they have to say is wrong You are merely proving that you FEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY."

@awuma 2 жыл бұрын

The realignment at 21:44 has been going on steadily since WWII, as documented by Thomas Piketty in his 2018 paper, "Brahmin Left vs Merchant Right: Rising Inequality & the Changing Structure of Political Conflict (Evidence from France, Britain and the US, 1948-2017)". He studied election results and surveys in these countries and saw similar trends in all three.

@jan-olofharnvall8760 3 жыл бұрын

When mr Kotkin say (23.49) that president Trump is an ”awfull human being” you lost me.

@davidnelson6893 2 жыл бұрын

The nation is ruined by Nancy pelos,her hushand, and Gaven newsom!!!

@roypeaslee1305 2 жыл бұрын

If Donald Trump is such an awful human being, why was he elected to the presidency twice? The answer is because Americans like a maverick who can blaze a new path.

@Michael_Mears 3 жыл бұрын

19:10 these type of people you describe, I saw one today at a press conference, called Scott Morrision, telling us what freedoms the State will take from us, what actions will be mandated by the State, and how those freedoms will be returned to us as privileges.

@grannyannie6744 3 жыл бұрын

A globalist.

@larryc835 2 жыл бұрын

Brilliant. Thank you.

@robertcalamusso1603 Жыл бұрын

Both great guys !

@zisikaragiannis2390 3 жыл бұрын

I stopped listening when he said, “Donald Trump is an awful human being “

@jimbrown5268 3 жыл бұрын

Same - people like this are so freakin blind. They think they are pure as the driven snow.

@markanderson6639 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting discussion. I disagree with many of the political positions advanced by Joel Kotkin but he has some very worthwhile points to make. But comments like, "My great hope for Biden....." are misguided. There is little hope of anything good coming out of the Biden/Harris Administration.

@thelastbrobo7826 2 жыл бұрын

This is a great discussion.

@mickbrenton 2 жыл бұрын

Damn fine discussion John!!!

@FakeCrisRealTyranny 3 жыл бұрын

Joel needs to get over his Trump-phobia. He confuses personality with the basic civil values that matter. It's the very elite snobbery he says he's against.

@cliffm6566 3 жыл бұрын

So many white liberals are confused and disoriented by the new authoritarianism of their own people that they cannot see the future and blather on about Trump being a billionaire, etc. None of that has anything to do with his ability to identify with ordinary people, something the tech and wall street oligarchs will never understand. Trump is a messenger that the ruling class needed to destroy. But the problems and pressures are continuing to grow.

@FakeCrisRealTyranny 3 жыл бұрын

@@cliffm6566 Well said.

@StormTrysail 3 жыл бұрын

This whole interview went off the rails when he mentioned Trump! I’m done!

@stacyliddell5038 3 жыл бұрын

Don't allow yourself to fall prey to the same fallacies of the left. Just because you don't agree with him on Trump doesn't mean everything he says is worthless.

@jimbrown5268 3 жыл бұрын

Same for me. People like this are the problem

@robynhefferan9561 2 жыл бұрын

Sad, that TDS divides rational from irrational. Academic up till - oh no, Trump is a nasty person! Makes me sad for him snd his family

@stacyliddell5038 2 жыл бұрын

@@robynhefferan9561 not really. He pointed out that some of Trump's ideas were right. Don't fall into the same trap as him. Just because he has TDS doesn't mean he doesn't also speak truth. We can't call people out for TDS and then make exactly the same logical fallacies.

@djames819 2 жыл бұрын

Go back and watch the rest. Anderson responds eloquently to the Trump comment around the 27 minute-mark when talking about pollsters. As always, Anderson acts with class. Kotkin is a bit of a blowhard but raises some good points, especially regarding EVs and related problems.

@gerardomartinez9992 3 жыл бұрын

Joel is really insightful.

@tontogonzales 2 жыл бұрын

Amazing talk, thnx guys!

@wade5414 2 жыл бұрын

Joel needs to rethink many many things.

@virghof5836 3 жыл бұрын

Why oh why do all of these intellectuals consider Pres Trump horrible?

@EdD-ym6le 3 жыл бұрын

Things like not supporting Globalism but I think at it's core they don't like a blunt strong White man who they can't intimidate .

@ridesharegold6659 3 жыл бұрын

Not speaking for everyone but for starters he was a terrible and mercurial administrator who lead from his gut. That doesn't work in a country of 330 million. It's quite possible that the pandemic goes back to his decision to let Fauci restart gain of function research because he thought Fauci was a good guy. He was also repeatedly out flanked by his political opponents. The Afghanistan withdrawal is just one example of that.

@mrchrisadams43 3 жыл бұрын

He has to to keep his social standing. His ideas are essentially pro-Trumo but there are some things that are demanded to be a public speaker nowadays.

@jimkeshishian4556 3 жыл бұрын

That's like asking if the Jan 6 "Nothing burger" incident hadn't happened would they have shown any more respect towards President Trump?! At this time in our history, the Leftist Media, Big Tech and the Oligarch Elites are very dominant and they have chosen to smear President Trump and half the country no matter what because it puts them on the perceived winning side.

@BruiserBailey1 3 жыл бұрын

They hold their noses and grudgingly admit Trump did some good things. They just can’t understand someone who speaks like the common people who he represents. Trump was a builder who stood in the trenches with his labourers. That’s why he does not sound like the elites. Revealing that Kotkin resents the Bolsheviks living in the mansions. Wonder if his family were once part of an elite.