Great assessment!

Slipknot is the luckiest band, always got a great drummer

O melhor comentário sobre O assunto... 3 Maravilhosos bateristas. Cada um em seu estilo... Brasileiro entende muito de metal, e tem fans loucos como todos os artistas renomados do mundo. Dizer que Jay nao tem qualidade é realmente uma grande hipocrisia de extremos. Joey (RIP) TOP DEMAIS, Jay fera demais e Eloy muito fodaaaaa

Jay was not a replacement, just an inferior option. Eloy is a true successor to Joey.

​@@vladtheimpaler7878just got drummer of the year multiple time but yeah inferior 😂

Groove. That's the word I was looking for. Joey definitely had that groove. He was the only one out of the 3 that you can feel that groove. He was feeling that song with his soul. Jay was playing too fast and looked like he was struggling. Eloy was amazing, but to me it seems like he's focusing on perfection. Makes sense since it was one of his first shows with the band. I bet a year from now he's going to have that groove with it that Joey had.

Imagina se fosse o Eloy que tivesse criado? Mais joy e encrivel

If you didn't "see" this performance, only heard it as isolated drum tracks, Eloy is much more tasty and groovy, his ghost notes make it feel so full. This audio of Eloy wasn't even going through the soundboard!

@@Jasonxknotthere’s no way u just said Eloy doesn’t have the groove, did you even listen to it?

@jacobdesmond2479 Yeah, I did listen to it. My comment wouldn't make any sense if I didnt. Did you listen to it? It's pretty apparent that Joey is playing with feeling and soul and Eloy is trying to be as precise as possible. Maybe you have to be a musician to hear it and maybe you arent one, but there's a slight difference there. You can not only hear it, you cant see as well. Joey has a groove to it that the others dont. Eloy just started performing live with him. Give him a year and he's going to be playing this as if he wrote it. There's always a difference between the person who wrote it vs the person who's trying to play it.

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Eloy rules he’s a fantastic drummer but as far as writing drums in slipknot I don’t think he’ll ever match the awesome drums Joey wrote even if they’re more technically impressive. Jay’s writing on we are not your kind was pretty damn great too so if Eloy writes drums that sound as good on record as those I’ll be happy. Live he’ll most likely go down as the best drummer in slipknot just because I think he’ll consistently play the drums at the right tempo all the time, Joey is an absolute legend but there were alot of times back in the day where he’d be rushing and playing the drums too fast which would speed the songs up a bunch. he’ll likely always be unmatched on record tho because of how iconic his drums in slipknot were.

@@puppetmaster8551 just listen to "Quadra", the Sepultura album composed by Eloy. if you're a drummer or does know the very minimum of drumming, you'll probably change your mind on that. it doesn't have to be a competition, but eloy is a great composer.

I reckon (hope) it'll be as hardcore as IOWA.

all are tbh

Joey is a legend and an OG and he gets all the props in the world for writing it which matters the most but he also would speed up the tempo pretty often, Jay wouldn’t do it as often imo and Eloy likely won’t ever rush it unless intentional. That being said I doubt anyone will ever write better drums for slipknot than Joey, his drum parts were legendary, I do think Jay’s drums on we are not your kind were really awesome tho so if Eloy writes drums as good as those I’ll be really happy, live he’s likely the best of them but we will just have to wait and see what his written drums for them sound like

@@puppetmaster8551 Yes, that's quiet the thing. I love Eloy's drumming for his instrumental duo and for Sepultura, but we gotta see how this is gonna work with Slipknot. Joey kept mastering awesome grooves that were easily digested when he got another bands, like Scar the Martyr, Sinsaenum and VIMIC

@@marcuskrueger2965 ya forsure, I’m definitely very interested in hearing drums Eloy writes in slipknot, definitely most what I’m looking forward to when it comes to new slipknot, really high bar tho with Joey’s amazing drums in slipknot and even Jay on we are not your kind was pretty damn great.

wait for those to come. Eloy Era

Perfect comment man!

Brilhante

@@henriquejuliano8517,Joey Jordison o melhor.

And Jay how not to play

​@@YuriHisokaadisagree. Jay did a great job, just not of the same quality

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Chuck Norris of metal

He's also the grooviest drummer of the three.

The other two previous drummers also respected the tempo, at least in these clips. They played all the same. The only difference between them is the energy they put on it.

@@hell4punkno definetely not. eloy pretty much played like joey, but some added ghost notes and hits harder. jay had inconcistent tempo, tried covering up poor double bass stamina with obnoxious amount of fills, sloppy playing and uses triggers because of poor stamina and power. joey and eloy are wayy out of his league. jay sure can drum, but there's definetely room for improvement.

​@@MBCMSPR you totally forget that Joey also used triggers, and Jay was way better than Joey was during the AHIG years of slipknot (mostly because of joey sickness but still). But Eloy is 100% the best one of the 3

@@brunomunoz467 right. but earlier, before his sickness and before he triggered his drumset, he was a beast. i'll admit that eloy is better; on a technical level atleast. but jay is far from joey in his prime. FAR. i'd say jay is a pretty solid writer and making music. but on a technical level, he's not even good. he lacks on so many departments, it's actually a shame he even joined slipknot. really hope they do some heavy shit with eloy though. i swear if they make like a grey chapter album with eloy, i'm gonna be so disappointed lol

You can hear every note because his cam is the only one with the drums isolated like that. Lol😂

In this way you’re liking how the video has been recorded… not the actual drummer

Eloy can play as fast but hit a Lot harder, one of a kind, all of them are great tho

Even outside of Eloy’s drum cam on the regular concert videos, it’s clear as day that he his hitting every note on the proper flow/timing

Please check Jays cam that the notes he is playing it not well played mixing the sounds in a bad way. Pay attention to the fills. I am not talking about the quality of the sound.

Was the GOAT that’s past this moment on its Eloy time you will hear it

No, it doesn't. I honestly think these ghost notes kill the brutality of the original piece which was ment to be a wall of sound. This is NuMetal, not jazz.

Haha he’s the only one powerful enough to be able to hear it over the band. No disrespect to Joey as he’s the godfather

@@or1on89 groove metal

I caught that too. Interesting choice.

Joey was playing them too, but you cant hear it because his velocity is more like ghost notes in a Toto song. Eloy hits hard AF & you can hear his ghosts notes. Weinberg is good….but his parts lack dynamic. They all melt together & theres no punctuation between riffs.

Neil Peart is the greatest drummer in history. Don't forget that.

Joey wrote the drum beat ffs. Show something they create. Imitators.

@@turbomunch search sepultura drum riffs bro lol

@@turbomunch Listen to Quadra, Eloy is an amazing composer as well as player. Lars wrote Dyers Eve drum parts, but he can't fucking play them.

​@@turbomunchboth Eloy and Jay created great drum pieces

Joey makes it look easier. He also wrote everything. He's the embodiment of the band

This comment was better the first time it was used in other Eloy videos🙄

@@clovenzpsn8811 Like I care how triggered you are by that comment, lmao

speed can't be the reason lol, Jay can play the speed they want to play, he's a professional drummer

@@jkorkea From what I read on Reddit (unchecked facts of course), drum tech said he struggled live. The reason I'm saying speed is the problem is I read (once again, unproved) is a source of frustration for the others who must keep up to his speed and Corey who's 50 and still a beast, it's probably demanding a lot for him as well as the guitar players. Also, I see a lot of comments about Eloy playing the right tempo of the original songs and songs are heavier during breakdown when played at slower tempo so it just shows Jay plays faster. Don't get me wrong, I love Jay and he got me back into Slipknot in 2014 and I thought a young guy could give the energy back to the band.

​@@xoxo666 I don't think speed is the reason, if it really was he could have just played with a metronome and if it really was, he would have been out YEARS ago. I believe someone in Slipknot stated that they purposefully play songs faster during live shows because it gives them a more "raw" feeling and also because it allows them to have a longer setlist and hype the crowd better. I saw them in Verona in 2022 and I can say that NO ONE was struggling there to follow Jay. To each their own: Joey was the creator and who inspired me to pick a drumset and beat the living shit out of it for the past 10 years or so (I am not that great sigh). Jay had that "mojo" that gave a truly unique feeling to each song he played live, even if it wasn't note for note (for which I couldn't care less, I care about the music in general, not the parts), even if it wasn't at perfect tempo (neither Joey was! just go listen to Vol. 3, you can hear the best his fluctuations in "Pulse Of The Maggots"). Eloy has incredibile power, precision and feeling. I want to hear more of him in Slipknot. All three are incredible drummers, who had (and have) one of the most difficult roles in the music industry (it isn't exactly easy to be Slipknot's drummer) and all three should be credited for what they've done and will do.

@@blacksaturn_ I get what you mean! And I feel you man! Joey inspired me in some weird way. I thought for a short guy, he's one badass MF! The weird dance that he does etc! Never really played drums but I would, he's be my #1 inspiration. I stopped listening to Slipknot around 2007 because I discovered the hardcore/deathcore scene. I had tears when I heard Joey passed and I was in sushi restaurant parking lot haha. Jay: I was intrigued by that young guy! I thought he was awesome and gave life back to Slipknot along with V-Man! I started listening to Slipknot with .5 The Gray Chapter Eloy: Although I'm sad Jay is gone, the comments I saw for Eloy kind of hyped me up! But I gotta admit I never heard anything about him when he was in Sepultura. Can't wait to see what he will bring!

@@xoxo666 glad you get me hahahah! I didn't hear much from Eloy either but what I heard absolutely blew me away at the time, I'm talking about "Isolation" by Sepultura, if you haven't go watch the Behind The Scenes and the playthrough by Eloy, the sheer power and creativity he puts behind the kit is faboulous, I guess the creativity comes from the fact that he's Brazilian and Brazilian music (which is INSANELY HARD to play on drums) is very different from typical western music. I hope we'll get not just heavier records but more creative ones, TESF felt overall stale and uninspired...

Ayooo

Eloy has been a Slipknot fan since he was a teenager, it's obvious that he looks up to Joey, and playing with Slipknot is a dream come true for him.

Joey was a hell of a drum line writer. One thing he was NOT was a hard hitter. He hit very, very lightly. The "booming" you heard from his drumming was because of triggers.

​@@jcmo187His ace in the pack was speed, as opposed to power. You can't do the rolls he could on the snare by being a caveman.

@@marcusking8507 except Eloy does. I've been a huge fan of him for years. He's just as fast if not faster than Joey and much more precise. Joey's biggest strength was writing. His drum parts are super rememberable. You can name a bunch of his songs just from the drums.

@@jcmo187 Joey had that Dave Lombardo-esque "falling down the stairs" feel to his playing, like it was all about to fall apart at any moment. I'm still wowed by some of his playing on Iowa, for instance. Eloy is pretty damn impressive though, and he loves ghost notes, which are always, always a plus with me.

Eloy does not overcome, but honors the legacy

Records meant to be broken he was the original and props to him but oh man Eloy it’s a freak of nature

​@@carlosdelgado6897 Lol joey play with soul, his play remain in our memory, Eloy just play Joey part with robotic sound 🤣

@@buitenzorg8169 say whatever you want the reality it’s only 1 Joey it’s the past great drummer but the better of the 2 it’s Eloy plain and simple

Joey seems made it easy? He was a great drummer bo doubt but if you can’t see can’t hear the power speed precision of Eloy the effortless he and with that power and not see his greatness as the best drummer atm perhaps OF ALL TIME then you are blind and deft

@@carlosdelgado6897 you don't understand don't you sweetie. i said looks easy. looks easy because he was a good drummer and his skill just beyond everyone else. Jay drum line more simple but precise. and eloy are the hardcore beater. Did i said Joey/jay/eloy suck? read and understand it properly before you think i'm wrong. have a nice day.

@@50ULL355_music_gaming no seems you don’t want to see the reality Eloy is a freak of nature Also I didn’t say any of them sucks learn to read Eloy it’s stratosphere way above than those 2

he adds extra fills because he doesn't have the stamina to keep the song the way it should be played.

@Lady_Boy_ All depends on the song. I've seen him play Me Inside, and Metabolic without adding extra fills. Even Joey did the same thing from time to time. Part of Slipknot's charm bro. Eloy even adds extra fills to songs.

@@VileSinner666 ok

He adds extra fills so he can hide the sloppiness of his double bass. I’ve seen his version of Disasterpieces whole and he was all over the place. No wonder Slipknot kicked him out.

@MarkJusti Jay's never been perfect at double bass, no doubt about it. He has good days and bad days. Same with Joey. Sometimes he can nail it, other times he does fills to hide it. It's all about being human.

you're right, Joey was the spirit of the band. Great technical drummers can play and, eventually improve the songs, but Joey was original. Now we have to wait for new stuff to see how Eloy will increase the Slipknot legacy

@@DiegoToy 2024 for new songs ? Hope so !!

I'm not a drummer but Joey gave the impression of being very in control of his body movements whereas Jay seems to need to move more just to get around the kit. Eloy is less theatrical than Joey, more raw power, still extremely controlled to an almost superhuman level of consistency.

What it means "ghost notes"?

@@eriicgiese the weak note between the strong note on the snare at minute 2:33 you can hear it better

@@eriicgiese he uses this technique while maintaining intensity. this is quite challenging

Jay plays the drums drunk

So bad. He's all over the place

And here we are in the comments haha

this is really good rage bait

Yeah jay always played most of the songs to fast, therefore speeding up the rest of the band, making the song sound rushed compared to clean

He has no technique, this technique is called the gorilla found a hammer and notes.

@@pawall3deller468 ah, ok. 🙄

Eloy is a better drummer in practical terms. Joey however has the benefit of having written so much iconic music and was himself also an amazing drummer when he was healthy. So while I think Eloy is the better drummer, I don't think he's the better musician.

​@@Implicit_Truth Eloy is an increadible composer. He has mastered a lot of drumming styles. I belive that in the next slipknot album if he has space to let his creativity out then he will prove his name next to Joey's composition.

@@pablosrf3881i hope that slipknot will make heavy shit with eloy though. i've heard rumours about the new album being really different from all the others. idk what to expect. i really hope they'll make something heavy. can't get a drummer like eloy and make another grey chapter album

Your should say, Strength. Not strenght

but 100x more aggressive and accurate. joey hit like a pussy eloy's sticks go over his head every single strike and he's just as technical.

Você está errado, Eloy está tocando o que Joey fez mil vezes melhor Total respeito ao Joey, mas ele era mais limitado que o Eloy

"only". give him some props at least holy shit. he's paying tribute to the original sound and ideas, and playing it absolutely flawlessly. don't write it off as "only imitating"

@@ednaldopereira5592 Sorry buddy, Joey can't hear you over the sound of his multi platinum records he wrote and performed on.

💯 Eloy just lack of creativity

maybe next event he will wear a wig 😂🤣

​@@dickyadler3959 ou talvez no próximo comentário, ele se abstenha

maybe he'll join corey and tortilla on dreads lol

O verdadeiro metal escandinavo não aceita os carecas

@@GuilhermeTeixeira Slipknot no son de scandinavia sino de Iowa

discordo

@@andrelima7959 De quê? kkkkk Que o Joey não tocaria as músicas do Sepultura? Não tocaria mesmo. Sepultura leva muito da música brasileira, gringo não tem essa referência. As músicas iam sair todas retas, sem pegada.

Agora é esperar próximo CD (um single não adianta), pra ver se vai soar como Slipknot antigo, Slipknot new age ou 'Eloy e a galera', e se nos shows/anos seguintes vão continuar tocando 98% das músicas criadas com linhas de bateria do Joey.

Não, isso não é um "fato" É apenas o teu pachequismo insano!