the "few" that actually got punished basically got a slap on the wrist

And the Kobe Child Murders. Not only was the murderer eventually released, but he even wrote a book and posted creepy images on the internet that all showed he was never 'rehabilitated!'

@@lucinae8510 I am not aware of this case. But in general a lot of s**** around the world

Really? how do you know it's one of them and not a fake?@@divyanshkaushal1546

It's wild too one of the killers has a twt acct openly boasting abt rape and politics...

What's the difference

@@malachiblood13Murder is intentional, manslaughter is accidental.

​@@malachiblood13the amount of people? Maybe lol

@@hawkeye4324murder - there was intention to kill, manslaughter - no intention to kill, but victim died.

​@@matthewuchiha8501nah that's serial vs not

Im gonna be honest with you. It doesn't surprise me when females r*pe. Especially when there are studies labeled "The Understudied Female Sexual Predator" showing how much they actually do those crimes. Especially since it was shown that apparently, women are more likely to be sexual predators than men according to how many people came out for the study claiming that a woman assaulted them. I would link them but sadly it KZfaq will automatically delete the comment. One of those studies youll have to pay for to read. I think someone on reddit basically redistributed the study on there. This isn't me trying to paint all women as predators (like many do with us men), but spreading awareness about the topic to get people to realize how much things like that happen. At least here in America where Im at.

Source?

​@@SomeGuy-rm7crliterally says can't find the story anymore

I looked it up, was legit. Basically racism, they didnt want a peruvian girl in music class so they absued her then again in drawing class.

Source?

I didn't know about that case and looked it up. That is really messed up.

There was a 2023 Los Vegas incident where a gang of minors beat a teen to death over a stolen ear buds. The deceased teen was not involve in fight but intervene because he saw his friend was getting gang up and beaten. Only 12 members of this violent mob were caught, but there are still more perpetrators on the loose. I haven't check on any updates since mainstream news is usually quite on these incidents.

A crime is a crime regardless of age especially when its so heinous.

idk its a touchy subject. If we take the Nevada tan case, we can atleast see that these children can truly grow up to reform themselves. Although not all cases can have suvh a good outcome

There was a kdrama based on a judge who deals with juvenile criminals. Most of them think since they're underage they'll get less punishments. But the judge she's brutal and the best. I'm too sensitive so i didn't actually watch it but the story is good

This is ridiculous no where is 19 a minor.. Last time I was in jail in Texas I was in there with 17 year olds tried as adults

@@aaronrodgers9202 this ^^

@@aaronrodgers9202This case is in Japan. 🤦‍♂️ 19 year olds are considered minors there.

@@Clippidyclappidy oh right so since he turns 20 in a matter of a few months and becomes a adult on paper means he totally would have grown up and not done what he did... Because being a minor at 19 and an adult at 20 can change the fact your a psychopath right

@@Clippidyclappidy Y'know that there are 35 year olds that essentially behave like minors. lol.

well you're right, doesnt matter if youre kid or not but crime shouldn't be tolerated

The problem isn't whether not they should be punished, but more so the question of how long is too long to keep a minor in prison. Cause there are many cases where being tried as an adult for certain crimes, the minimum length for the sentence can in some places quite long. And in my opinion, there are very few crimes that actually warrant someone who's 17 to spend all of their 20's in prison

​@@jadendobson9614 also the question of how much prison should even focus on punishment. Criminals are broken individuals, in countries where they focus on rehabilitation the most, the rate of crime after prison is lower than anywhere else

@@pyrylehtonen-caponigro3198 That's bs, and you know it. Not all criminals are "broken individuals", many (especially serial killers) are just horrible human beings or psychopaths who have zero remorse and will absolutely commit crimes again the second they're out no matter the rehabilitation. It's easy to have sympathy for a murderer, but it's different when the one they murdered is your family or friend...

@@Osama-KIN_TMZ01 ask yourself the question of how people develop into psychopaths.

Let's be real. Not even he thinks it's a legitimate reason. In cases like this it's normally someone who isn't mentally all there and just gives whatever answer when asked "why did you do it?". He's probably been on the edge of doing some crazy shit like that for ages and he just named the things that upset him most recently. Consider he mentioned his relationship with his parents was one of the issues so why didn't he go after his own parents? There is no real logic. He's wanted to lash out for ages. I imagine if somebody else upset him after the girl rejected him he'd have gone after them instead

No one should be that desperate for some poonani. No, the guy clearly had issues from beforehand which the poor girl’s rejection only really exacerbated. Her parents paid the price.

I bet he was a "nice Guy"

@@MatthewBJ they dont even do it to try and win them over, they do it completely out of spite as revenge. which is worse, since it means they are technically functional human being, that are just filled with hatred instead of being just mentaly unstable.

​@@MatthewBJ good luck giving any advice to a narcissist since not only will they not listen and reject you, they gaslight you into thinking that you are the one who is wrong 😂

Where that lol where I'm from u can get charged as an adult as long it was violent or resulted in a death or major injury or was a sex crime

yep, in my country it is the same, youngsters can do everything if they are under 18 and have not charges, that's ridiculous.

19 isn't a "minor that wouldn't know better" imo lol. But, imo, as an American, as much as some might assume I support the death penalty, I NEVER DO! Why? There's always the chance of doubt, but the bigger issue is "I want a single government to have a legal power to kill its own citizen because it will abuse it at some point." Don't give a government power it doesn't deserve. Still, Japan needs to do a better job holding "minors" accountable better. Like that horrific case in the 80s was it? Joey talked about it before. But if I mention it KZfaq woulda auto-mod my comment cause KZfaq is crap.

​@@rayquazahere8529"criminal hire minors" so the adult criminal should still be charged more harshly than the minor who got manipulated by an adult.

@@traplover6357 I believe inducing a minor to commit a crime is its own crime, corruption of a minor or something

These things were already legally considered heinous crimes when they were committed,so it's not like they're criminalizing it after the fact.

The retroactive rule is pretty universal. It should only benefit the convicted. It's basic international law. That shocked me. maybe this rule can be appealed on international courts. Also there has been cases of child criminals that later on lived normal lives. Horrible crimes really. There are studies of these rare cases and many recover. The developing brain is a thing. But, I mean, don't hurt people, guys. At any age.

@@elscullens Yes, they’re called ex post facto laws and pretty much every rights organization is against them. Also I just googled it and Japan’s constitution explicitly prohibits them, so this could turn into a legal mess. But still, retroactive application of laws are frowned upon so heavily due to the association they have with dictatorships (especially those of the fascist inclination) so even if you can argue about the morality of the sentence it’s still a bad precedent, especially considering Japan’s past.

No, actually almost never. The recent laws in my democratic country always affect the whole tax year (yeah you can owe tax that wasn't in place beforehand) and do not affect active cases. In this case also, the guy wasn't convicted yet. Retroactively means for example, you will not go to jail 2035 when you're only allowed to buy electric vehicles because you bought a gasoline engine in 2012...

death penalty tho? That’s Saudi Arabia shit

That's crazy

bro they snitch on their own failings as a govt but don't fix them wtf

So like the Catholic Priests use to be handled in the US. shakes head.

@@XVa-uj8m and still does

WHAT??!!!!!

They are in Japan. The legal adult age is 20

​@@Hayri2011Yeah a "minor" is a completely arbitrary age that a country decides on. It honestly doesn't mean a whole lot. The idea that a 17 year old committing a crazy crime shouldn't be judged but a a few months later they turn 18 and suddenly theyre responsible for their actions is just dumb. Everybody knows murder is wrong whether you're 21, 18, 16 or even 12.

@@jadowarcadia6227 or maybe even 10, why not 8 but maybe even 6? the line has to be drawn somewhere lol

I've never agreed with the whole "upbringing" or "unfortunate background" argument which is heavily being used in cities like New Yok and Chicago. They rely on catch-and-release if there were no injuries, and the value of theft was under 1000 USD. These people know what's right and wrong. They're just being enabled to continue being criminals.

I would say that minors definitely should be held accountable as it's meant for the victim and the community's safety. Not to mention that it is also part of learning to know the consequences of their actions. Though, we can't really just look at the standpoint where minors/teenagers are "smart enough" to know, same goes with seeing upbringing and poor background as some sort of an excuse. They are a "valid", it is a real thing and not just any lousy excuse. I'm saying this in a way that I want to bring the awareness to the parents that it is their responsibility to ensure that their child will grow as a functioning individual and that any of the Dark Triad Personality (Narcissism, Psychopathy and Machiavellianism) isn't something anyone are born with but it was more of a developmental disorder. There's already been studies about how even someone who have a psychopathic direct relative only adds a risk factor, but it doesn't inherently make them a psychopath unless something in the environment caused their psychopathic traits to emerge. So what I'm saying is that parents of juvenile criminals should also be held responsible as well as it is their responsibility to guide their child. Who knows if their parents are actually manipulating them to do the crime or they were the subtle cause of it? Who knows if they also have more victims like their siblings, relatives or people surrounding them? To put it in another scenario, if a minor have stolen that 1000usd, ideally the minor should be accountable and with further investigation if they were manipulated or threatened by their guardian, or if it is organized by a syndicate. By then, the "mastermind, the one who caused their behavior" should be held accountable too since we wouldn't know if that minor is the only one who's subjected to do crime or it's something in a bigger scale. Punishing the mastermind will prevent creating more criminals and victims.

The thing is the brain isn't hardwired until in their 20's. I am NOT saying they should by default be forgiven merely that we need more and better rehabilitation programs to step in, throwing massive amounts of money at the problem if need be. Why? Simply because it will cost us all so much more later if we don't.

@@XVa-uj8m Hardwired or not hardwired, children know murder, or crimes in general, are wrong. Your brain isn't fully developed until you're 25ish, but that's not "hardwired". At 18 or 19 you can't use underdeveloped brain as an excuse unless you're claiming mental issues. They found him competent to stand trial, so obviously that wasn't the issue. If you don't know right from wrong before you're 10, you either have mental issues, or extremely evil parents. Just watching TV and interacting with other people should teach you right from wrong.

Plenty of kids under 12 have been treated as adults despite not being old enough to understand.

So does the US.

Agreed to both. These kinds of crimes says to me it's a cultural problem

Hiw can it be cultural when it happens everywhere, get your head out your ass ​@@Justcetriyaart

@@Justcetriyaart However, people are slow to change their culture let alone themselves.

I read one autobiography manga of a depressed girl in an emotionally neglective home, where she had gotten herself a room in a mental health place, but all they did was leave her alone in the room, even when she hurt herself for any sort of actual help, only to met with "don't do that 😢". She eventually returned to her parents' place, despite her wishes for independence.

実はアメリカの方が日本より自殺率高いんですよ

no let him meet the creator

@@chocolategirl5725 a lifetime of basic care, food, etc. which costs the taxpayer an unknown cost; or about $5 at a local ACE Hardware.

He clearly doesn't know what that is like. In his last moments, I assume the fear is gonna make him go crazy.

Tax payers shouldn't have to pay to keep trash alive.

Robbed him? Nah he was just gifting me his money and valuables

Yeah, I have to wonder how real the low crime rate is for Japan, however, most crimes are committed by young people so if most of the population is old then not only are most of them unlikely to commit any crimes of passion there are also enough mature adults around to keep the few youngsters from going to off the rails most of the time.

I mean, anywhere in the world should be about the same, it kinda depends on how much faith the people put in the police when it comes to robbery and similar small crimes. In my country there are a lot of unreported cases because most people don't expect police to ever catch the culprit and they don't want to go through the hassle if in the end they're not gonna get their justice. I don't think Japan's crime rate is as low as everyone thinks, but it shouldn't change the fact that it is among the lowests. To be fair tho, some things that other countries treat as criminal offences, don't have the same weight in Japan, so statistic might be skewed by that. If sexual harassment and the likes were handled more seriously who knows how much the numbers would change honestly.

@@akirayuki6275 Sexual crimes are often hard to prove. Japan does it right. Too many people have had their lives ruined even if they are innocent.

Ferakonomics covered this. Japan is legit a safe country with law abiding citizens, but the justice system is also guilty of padding their statistics so that it looks like they have a high success rate for prosecution.

I fucking hate our justice system in general. In various ways it's failed everyone, the victims/survivors and the perpetrators. Punitive justice has too many flaws to be reliable, restorative justice is far more healthy for a productive and healthy society.

@@icravedeath.1200 Facts, recidivism rates are the only part of a punishment that matters

That doesn't make sense, just because you don't have the death penalty doesn't mean you stop letting killers out in a decade or less. I guess that's why its important to get rid of death penalties, because we cant trust governments to deliver fair and adequate justice.

The criminal justice system is so inherently flawed, as is the legal system in general. And whilst I can definitely understand the family of a victim wanting death for the person who did it, society has to be better than that. Whilst it seems in the case Joey was talking about, the guy is definitely guilty, it’s not exactly common for perpetrators to walk in and say “hey, I did that, fuck you, kill me, bitcheeesss”. And when you couple ambiguity and a policing system that is often racist, or classist or just politically motivated or encouraged to meet quotas, the death penalty starts becoming an incredibly cruel thing. In a perfectly rational world, sure, maybe it might make sense on occasion, but you only need to look up the number of people slated for the death penalty who then turned out to be innocent to see why it’s a bad idea, and that’s not mentioning how a more corrupt government could use it to silence political opposition or people holding them to account. I’m not saying that’s happening in Japan, by the way, but if the death penalty exists as an option, then it’s misuse is always a possibility, where it being banned outright removes that option. Not that it stops the police summarily executing people in the streets, but that’s its own kettle of bullshit.

its why UK a shit hole and Japan isnt death penalty is needed prisoners rather go to jail than get the death sentence for a reason. with the UK legal system hitler would be sleeping on goverment tax dollars in a nice bed.

At 7:35 is revealed that sentence is based on a precedent case and guidelines connected to that case so I believe it is legally justifyed descision.

LOL! I was just thinking this.

*average florida activities

Activities of the BLA-kind.

@@IbnRushd-mv3fp In Florida the middle aged couple would have lit up the guy with superior firepower and then say something like "never bring a knife to a gunfight" or some other cold ass line. lol

@@DaveSmith-cp5kj When my dad and I lived in Miami Beach, he saw a Cuban guy slice a Puerto Rican guy right across the belly with a big ass knife and his guts started falling out. The crazy part is he lived. Still saw him around for the next year.

More importantly, I think, here he just straight up admitted he did it and the girls are here to confirm that he did it. A double murder and setting a house on fire and then he showed no remorse. Pretty hard to argue against capital punishment in a situation like this IMO.

@@captcha42 Yeah this is a pretty clear case, I ment more for the unclear cases where the japanese will be more careful about who and if they give this sentences.

yeah, but this is japan, this is guilty until proven innocent

Coomer detected!

It is so nice that they have 250% of them GDP as debt, so japan is ruled by yakuza and outsiders. See, I said a nice thing about japan to not feel bad anymore.

I think the finding that he was competent to stand trial came down after the law was passed, so that could be why they applied the law to him.

This was already a capital crime when he committed it.

@@ffwast That's not the discussion. It's about being tried as an adult or not.

Apparently from what I am aware of, it’s a tad worse then the American death penalty, because your not given a date of confirmation nor a timeline, as well as other details, which could be the next day, week or year, so your just waiting which would take a mental toll from pondering when it will happen I may be wrong, but it’s from what I am able to recall from

Death penalty is disgusting and a human rights violation

@@ketchup901 cope

​@@ketchup901 Depends on the crime.

@@ShitEatingGoblin42069 No it does not.

Agreed. That marks someone as in need of therapy, not punishment.

​@@rabenfedersonnenhutone shouldn't supercede the other, punishment and therapy should go hand in hand not be applied separately, theres a reason the legal system is also a justice system

@@rabenfedersonnenhut Those aren't mutually exclusive.

​@@rabenfedersonnenhut The guy did it with sane mind. Get your head out of your ass.

Nah bro

the judicial system at its core is a system of prevention and rehabilitation not retribution. life sentence with the possibility of parole makes sense to an extent. this person who has committed a grievous and heinous crime could possibly change for the better and become a functioning member of society however if he shows no sign of such change then keep him in prison for life. but the issue with that is the sentiment of the victims of the crime and if there are no victims left then the relatives of those victims. is it fair to those people that this person who has wronged them and stole a bright future from them to have a future of their own. but then again retribution does not bring prosperity, so the opinion of the victims or the victims relative has to be taken into account. however a life sentence without the possibility of parole is dumb. it wastes resources and defeats the whole point of the judicial system, and also sets a bad precedent. a death sentence makes more sense

bold of you to assume prison life is gucci lol

@@bigfrostishere Some people want to go to jail for provision, like Chris Carver.

@@bigfrostishereso you agree with Saudi Arabian law

​@user-gu9yq5sj7c jail and prison aren't the same thing

And the age, an 16 years old doing something bad its not the same as a 11 years old for example.

A lot of factual truth mixed in with some assumptions. I personally wouldn’t dissect the issue in this kind of an one dimensional way.

Nah you just sound ignorant asf & kinda racially motivated 😂 parental negligence is not the root cause of most serious crimes. Countless of horrendous crimes has happened more in America but the most horrific U.S. serial killers grew up in normal households. So connecting japan’s criminal acts like literal murder to their “conservatism” is absolutely garbage & not plausible whatsoever, as intentional murder is sadly a universal things in most countries that have no link to conservatism. You can’t & shouldn’t link a crime like this to how the killer was raised. That’s basically saying “oH hE wAs sAd sO hE jUsT hAd tO KiLl” like no bruh 😭 even if Japan wasn’t as conservative & not so work toxic it would STILL have horrendous crimes like this. He knew right from wrong & the murder was well intended as well. Also Japan has been working for years to fix the working culture & yes it’s still bad but let’s not act like they haven’t tried because a lot of Japanese tourist places were originally built to aid overworked workers. Also there are many mental health services in Japan too. Mental health is not a “specific” issue only to Japan but in many parts of Asia. Yes, Japan has high records but that’s also not an excuse to the crime that he committed whatsoever. Because that would mean he wasn’t mentally competent but the court literally stated that he fully mentally aware during the act of the murders & arson.

Not another japan is dark cringe Comment. The crime rate in jaosn is low even if you update sme laws still it is nowhere clse t the level of usa or uk

What do you mean? Japan has some of the craziest crimes in history. What they don't have is constant shootings... cos they don't have guns, and they will never have.

Yeah. I hope so as well.

Nah it's too late. The internet does wonders on spreading """""culture""""" for better or worse. The worst part is that we may not be seeing the full extent of crimes happening in Japan especially female related crimes because of their extremely strong concept of shame. If your culture has this trait, you will be incentivized to hide shameful stuff even more either as a citizen or a government entity

@@grog159 That is some intensely small brain, right wing take. I bet you are really scared that your perfect redpill paradise Japan is going to be invaded by scary scary brown people. Except the crime above has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with Japanese society being fucked up.

Oh Japan has craaaazy crimes. They are just VERY rare.

This reminds me of why despite it being prescribed for adultery and other serious crimes in the Israel of the Old Testament, the death penalty was seldom applied. A *high* burden of proof applied in capital cases since there was the possibility of the presiding judge violating the law against murder, which is the 6th of the 10 Commandments of Moses. The defendant had to be 100% guilty before the death penalty could be applied.

In April 2024, Jennifer and James Crumbley were sentenced to 10-15 years in prison for involuntary manslaughter for failing to prevent their teenage son, Ethan Crumbley, from killing four students at Oxford High School in 2021. The Crumbleys were the first parents convicted in a U.S. mass school shooting. Prosecutors said the parents failed to safely store a gun and could have prevented the shooting by removing Ethan from school when confronted with a dark drawing he had made that day. The state advisory guidelines recommended a sentencing range of 43-86 months, or a maximum of about seven years, but each count carries up to 15 years in prison.

But then, Norway doesn't change the law and then sentences people retroactively. Well, not as far as I know.

Then why even have those minor laws

i mean more than 50% of usa still enforce it too lol

@@powerofdeath. Yeah and that's fucked up too.

Is it tho?

That’s actually good

To me, it's the Ex post facto law.

just clickbait probably. Unless he's referring to the situation surrounding the change?

Two things: First, legal responsibilities and consequences in a democratic society is built on agreement to the rights those very same responsibilities and consequences uphold. Since a minor does not have the same rights as adults, it would be discrimination to judge them as such. Secondly, this seems like a post facto law case, were a legal change permits retroactive consequences. This a considered illegal by international law, as it basically allows those in power to manipulate the law for their own purposes. It's not compatible with democracy.

100%

Absolutely!!!! Why does he get to have a chance at rehabilitation when he ruined someone else's life forever?

Who decides, you?

@@ogfemto “There are trials to determine these things” its literally in my original comment lol. But, since you couldn’t seem to understand, a court decides 🤡

​@@ogfemtoNo, the legal system.

2+2=4

11+10=21

9+60=69

Based she shouldn't have rejected

​@@ogfemtoTroll.

Not many people know that it was GHQ that made the laws of modern Japan. In prewar Japan they would have executed them without mercy, even if they were minors. Many Westerners claim that Japanese law is backward, but it was the Americans who made that law in the first place.

@@ALLKASDLLS-mg4lu Yes, but the American occupation ended in the early 50s. Japan has been free to rewrite their laws since then. And they have. Many things have changed since the immediate post-war era.