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The verse 'Zvavasina kuombekwa zvinotoita seiko....' is asking what happens to those who have not been baptised when they die. Some say there is no such thing as Jorodhani, while others say it was stopped. At Apostles of Muchinjikwa, we have had baptism ceremonies nearly every year since 2001, and there have been zero incidents. This categorically and without doubt tells us that the Spirit of Father Johane dwells among THESE apostles. It is this Spirit from Heaven that is now asking what happens to those apostles or anyone else who have not been baptised when they experience the pain and suffering of death. Death is painful and traumatic to the spirit. Baptism is meant to ease the transition to the afterlife, amongst other things.