Yeah but 2 plays later Raiders got the ball back on a turnover

Yeah, absolutely!

Jerrel Wilson/Ray Guy came b4 Brett Favre. WHY is Wilson not in Canton?

Andy Lee If ever another punter gets it he is a likely candidate

Wow yur pretty old I just hear stories about the great

+Timothy Boyce Yeah. I watched him as a kid. One of the only punters whose name I can remember. It's because he was so good at it. He was the only punter I would want to see punt. Usually for other games it was bathroom break. And he was a really good athlete. He's the first punter, and I think Jan Stenerud is the first kicker.

Ray was elected into both the college & NFL football's Hall of Fame in 2014.

he actually had four punts returned for tds.....once in 79...twice in 83....once in 86.

Stop making things up..he was a great punter. Having your punt returned for a TD, doesn't make you any less of a punter.

I never doubted Ray Guy's ability as a punter nor did I say that.......I was only staying that Madden had, said he never had a punt returned for a td when in actuality he had four returned. Big difference between zero and four

mike de carlo Madden tends to embellish a lot.

HA! YOU GOT FACT CHECKED

clintbronson5 boy were you off

George Blanda threw🏈, kicked, rushed & Blocked as well , got his autograph@ Pro Bowl& Madden coached the AFC squad that year

Jan Stenerud was a FG kicker and a placekicker, and the fact he put points on the board and won games may account for part of the reason. I thought Stenerud was the best during his era in the NFL. I can still remember those 4pm games on NBC with Curt Gowdy at the mic in the late 1960's, and Stenerud booming those kickoffs out of the end zone for a touch back. He was great. The KC-Oakland rivalry back then was incredible. Ray Guy was certainly great - no question - but it's a little more difficult to quantify his value in the stats, but he should have been a 1st ballot entry. You had to have seen him play to know his true worth. He was somewhat unique in a sport and during an era where kickers were not generally liked or respected by the position players. They weren't considered athletes by some of the players. Their jerseys didn't get bloody or dirty, they didn't suffer broken bones, cracked ribs, knee injuries.

@@jamesanthony5681 I appreciate your perspective on both players. I'm born in '84 and while I really enjoy football history and like learning about older players, of course both Stenereud and Guy are before my time. So I'm just looking purely at their statistics. Stenereud did lead the league in FG% 4 times...but he did have some seasons that were really poor (1 season under 50%) and really his field goal kicking outside of 40 yards is not very good. Booming kickoffs into touchbacks is definitely an asset, especially before the rule changes that moved the kickoffs forward for player safety reasons. And also, if I remember correctly, you used to get the ball at the 20 on a touchback, rather than the 25. His career FG%, while terrible by today's standards, was quite good for the era that he played in...so I guess I'd probably have to have lived in the era he played to really understand his place in history. As for Ray Guy: 7 Pro Bowls, had a season where he finished 4th in MVP voting. I heard all about his ability to handle errant snaps, his amazing hang time, ability to pin teams deep. I think I know more about him because the old Raiders' players never shut up about how great their teammates were, the games that were "stolen" from them...and actually just never shut up in general. But I will say that a fellow Raider, Shane Lechler, netted about 5 more yards for his career than Guy did...and I sincerely doubt he will get much Hall of Fame consideration. But yeah, those are my thoughts, you would know more having lived through those eras.

@@RobertBalto Stats can be misleading, and like someone told me years ago when it came to certain players, you had to have seen the guy play to appreciate his true value. That's certainly the case with Ray Guy. No owner other than Al Davis would have made Guy a no. 1 pick. The game is much different today, much less focus on the run and more on the pass, obviously, than it was in the '60's to the '80's. That was the 'kill the quarterback' era, and QB's like Brady, Rogers, and Brees would not have lasted as long, nor would they have put the numbers that they did, had they played back in those days. All 3 are great, I should add. When you compare the stats of John Unitas to Aaron Rogers, its not even close. Or John Elway to Tom Brady, same thing. Tougher eras. Christ, the 1985 Bears defense (greatest defense ever) ate up QB's. That was fun football to watch.

@@jamesanthony5681 That is true about Al Davis. I also think he kind of lost touch towards the end of his life. But his impact on football is beyond question, and obviously Ray Guy was a great pick. We're in the same boat about comparing eras. My all-time favourite player is Dan Marino. I think it's unfortunate that future fans will probably look at stats and think that someone like Eli Manning or Philip Rivers were on the same level (or maybe better). But that's just the way it is. I would have loved to watch the great teams and great players of the past...and I do recall Steve Young and Troy Aikman pretty much getting concussed into retirement and Marino's body breaking down because of all the punishment he took. Players now (especially quarterbacks) are more protected. But I do still think many of them are great and would be great in pretty much any era. To me, someone like Patrick Mahomes, had he played 30 years ago would be comparable to a John Elway and vice versa. If Elway played today, he'd be similar to Mahomes. Both should be appreciated. And same applies to all positions.

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