What makes you think it's about the money? Just because one party want's to sell and the other doesn't, doesn't mean it's the money that's the issue.

@@fartpooboxohyeah8611 If money didn't exist, would this be happening?

@@phaedrussmith1949 What do you think you're saying? You're sidestepping everything about their decades-long partnership and choosing to focus on money as though that's THE issue when it's a symptom/scapegoat for other problems, and clearly isn't the root of anything. The OWNERSHIP itself is a much bigger deal than just 'the money', but people like you only know how to spout goofy little slogans that you heard from people who have real ideas.

@@jamescarter3196 I see your an Internet arguer. In that regard my answer now to you is that I don't care about you, what you've said, your attempts at rhetoric or anything else about you, your thoughts or anything you've ever said or done and I likewise have no interest in arguing, debating, or speaking with you.

Lol..How was Hall and Oates beautiful? SMH

Exactly!

Yes, that was my first thought

That would be ideal. the question is, is it legal?

Oates never said he offered "Hall" the 50% of the partner share. Obviously he did not and hence the lawsuit.

He didn’t want Hall to know he was thinking of selling. In Oates defense, Hall is well known for being an a-hole, so he probably assumed that Hall would attempt to legally block him from selling. Which is what happened in the end anyway. There really isn’t any reason to not sell. Other than control. Many artists are doing it, once they know their hit making days are long over.

Cost would be too high I would guess. There back catalogue is huge

The interviewer should have asked that….

agreed. I highly doubt hall could afford to purchase it. and hall probably knows this. so why is hall raising a big stink about it? I think these 2 probably hate each other. which is not at all uncommon. for some reason, people think bands and artist duo/trio's are like family. their not.

And i can't see how u sell only half of something that still has the partner in it? Like u can't sell the music with only Oates voice parts or videos with Hall blacked out etc .lol

@@wasatchm good manners I think. If you’re in a partnership then it should be discussed. Perhaps Hall would also have sold and potentially gained a higher overall price. I would be pissed off if I have ran a business for over 40 years only to find out my partner had sold out without me knowing. So moving forward I would think Hall will need to speak about using the music in advert etc for the new partner to realise some profit

Reading through the comments, and I'm remembering what I saw a few years ago from Daryl Hall, and I remember the disappointment I felt seeing him say the things he was saying. And basically what he was saying, was the same thing John Oates is saying here. That their "brotherhood" is an illusion, their partnership is strictly business. And I remember hearing him say this, and thinking, well that's a shame. I can't point you to the interview in question, but it was years ago. He was basically saying Hall & Oates is just a corporation now, their personal relationship was almost non-existent. So NOW I can see why John Oates didn't bother saying anything to him. Because their friendship has been dead for years. And it's Daryl Hall to my recollection that first started saying this to everyone. Not John Oates.

My mentor is a successful composer/songwriter, and he says that in addition to a songwriter split sheet/royalty agreement, he always draws up a collaboration agreement for every collaboration.

Best advice! I had to take a law class back in the day in the early 90s and our professor's first words out of her mouth were that business partnerships are bad and that we should stay clear of them. I didn't take her advice unfortunately and lost a friend over it. I also saw other friendships destroyed all because of money and control. It's so sad. It's not worth it in the end.

From what I recall, and what I've looked for, Daryl Hall has been saying they're not partners for years. And in any interview discussing Hall & Oates, Daryl Hall makes as much effort as possible to dissuade the public that they're friends, and implores their relationship is strictly business. And in one interview calls it like it is. OCTOBER 2022 "We’re very different personalities. One of the reasons we became friends is somehow in spite of being opposites we get along. I’m such an aggressive person and he is not. He’s a very passive, laissez-faire kind of guy and it serves him well. I think that perhaps he leads a happier life than mine because of it - certainly a less tempestuous life than I’ve lived, so it’s good for him." Hall took out a restraining order on a passive, laissez-faire kind of guy, who says in this interview that the partnership was giving him a headache and stressing him out, so he just wanted out of it by selling his portion of it. The person that turned it into a drama, is the person who has a very tempestuous life.

Totally true stay away from partnership including marriage lol

@@sammyvh11 LOL!

Met them at a party after a show in Minneapolis back in the 70's. I don't remember much of the conversation (it was the 70's), but John was super nice to me.

All good things must come to an end

I saw them in the early nineties and thought they were the best band I had ever seen. Fast forward, and I had the opportunity to see them again about three or four years ago---- and they just weren't the same. Daryl Hall had pretty much lost his voice and I went away thinking----time for these guys to hang it up!

Saw them in 2018, amazing show.

Breaks your heart? Lol. WTF is WRONG with you?

Why do you waste your time commenting on other people’s comments with hatred? Get that anger out of your soul and leave these people alone. Grow up.

@@doobiewonkanooby As my friend's Chinese mother says, Hoo keh?

It’s clear that Hall does not regard Oates as his musical equal. Likely believes so because he became more popular doing those concerts at his house with many big name musical talents. And that he was the lead singer of their hit songs. It only enlarged his ego. In every interview Hall comes off as smug and arrogant. Oates is a humble guy and down to earth.

@@JohnDoe-lt3hi Actually it seems like Oates is bitter and resentful and has some issues with Hall. He should have at least gave Hall right of first refusal on the sale. That would have been the way to treat a partner of 50-years. Both should be appreciative of what each did for the other.

Notice you said "genuine nice guy" but not "as vocally talented as Daryl Hall."

@@jdmarr2259 John is also vocally talented. Just different than Daryl.

@@jdmarr2259 Notice you said "vocally talented" but didn't say "a genuine nice guy as John Oates"

In Montana I once pumped gas for Charles Nelson Riley😂

@@kenhobbs9251, was he a genuinely nice guy?

No can fucking do.👐

@@nathueil1He “did it in a minute.”

So he is out of touch and your out of time right 😂

@@thetruth1862 Right!

Say It Isn't So!

You are 100% correct Daryl is a primadonna. I worked for them for a few years Daryl never made sound check.

@@katoosh1 Is it true only one of them gets $$$ from the merch sold at concerts?

@@katoosh1I’m a musician myself and to hear that Daryll never did a soundcheck is really shocking , that’s obligatory to make sure everyone and everything sounds just right for the venue.

Hall comes across as arrogant....super size ego. I saw him on an interview about this lawsuit and when interviewer said something about him suing his creative parter(Oats) Hall corrected him and said BUSSINES partner. I guess he was saying he is the one with the talent.

Get counseling

I can't think of one solo song Daryl has done.

@@TheAgentAssassin Biggest one was probably Dreamtime. More recent is called Talking To You (IS like talking to myself) which is extremely catchy.

Is John Oates a God fearing man, like President Trump?

Both of em are grumpy old men at this point just like the classic film.

It’s the teeth gap😂

😂😂

Lol

I still can't believe he's a broadcaster on TV lol

​@Pango5697 The Teeth 😬 is his TRADEMARK! 😁🤣

Right? Perfect.

Neither of them needs to work, and neither of them has had a hit in decades. You're just one more person with a bonehead-level idea of what 'musical partnerships' are.

@@jamescarter3196 The song sucks.

😂

@@harrycrowe7557😆😆😆 damn that’s harsh

Daryl was, and will continue to be the “voice” of Hall & Oats. He was the real talent, and didn’t really need John to be successful. He could have been successful as a solo artist from the beginning, and I think John knows this deep down. Still a shame they couldn’t patch things up between them.

Exactly and sitting there acting as if he’s in the right.

They won't see your comment

@@AhtoNajeebRashied Why would you enjoy ruining an old widow's joy? NOT TODAY OR TOMORROW SATAN! In the name of my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, you have been rebuked 👑🙏💞✝️🐾🕯

​@@maxinemcelroy8902I second that! As a 40 something year old man. The artists can do what they want, but the art remains.

”Y’all’s”

ESPECIALLY at this (final) Stage in Life!!!!

I mean, it all depends if this was really his right to sell it. If he wants to, why not? I can understand at his age just wanting the money and leaving the business aspects behind. Hard to really draw a conclusion or pick a side when we only hear one side of the story. Bummer either way.

It's his right to sell whatever is his to whomever.

Exactly lol

Bingo!

based

Textbook! Chaa-ching!

Sounds about right.

Breaks your heart? Lol..WTF is WRONG with you?

@@BBAKER22 lol

A fan of these or a fan of these MEN? Because I doubt ANY of us know them as men.

How exactly did he stab him in the back? What’s Hall’s beef?

@@kdbwiz They had an agreement about these things. John ignored the agreement that stipulated the terms of such sales, didn't tell Daryl of his plans at all. Daryl found out from a 3rd party. Daryl did the lion's share of the work all these years, and this is what happened. A real slap in the face. And you can see John being evasive about this at the start of the interview.

Agreed...as my comment suggests above.

I believe they had a NDA and Oates broke it.

I am guessing Scooter Braun has something to do with this. He is an infamous IP broker who works within the law to steal music catalogs and resells them when they have greater value. He is the reason Weazer, Prince, and Taylor Swift had to re-record a lot of their music.

Who learned nothing?

You learned that John Oates could play an older Charles Manson in a biopic.

@@peterc4056 😂😂😂

Contract disputes as joint owners of the publishing for their compositions. In fact such ownership usually includes two parts: writers share and publishers share. Decisions have to be agreed to by BOTH parties. One cannot make an executive decision without the other's yay or nay. Daryl Hall has been releasing solo music for years, while including his hits with Oates as art of his solo act (during live shows, for example). Some situations may not have been to Oates liking so he was tired of having to iron legal issues with his creative partner. So, he is pushing for a separation and dissolution of the publishing partnership so Hall can keep pursuing his solo work and Oates can focus on his own. He should have told Daryl; wonder who the "certain third party" was? If it was Hipgnosis, they're pretty much dead in the water and have been bought out by Blackrock affiliated holdings.

@@peterc4056 I see it now. 🫡

Lol...Let us know when you LEAVE FANTASY LAND

It sounds like there weren't a whole lot of opportunities for discussion, and if you asked me to guess, I would say that Daryl was the one who was "Out of Touch."

Did you listen to him?? They are not best buds, they've done nothing new together in decades and they've done a few concerts of the hits. What he described is common in business. Oates strikes me as the down to earth one of the two, just IMO.

@@danc3693still should have discussed it first.

Your parents sound quite liberal if they were letting you go to a rock concert at such a young age.

@@alukuhito I went even younger than that to see them. We are talking very tame stuff.

@@abertasso1298 I guess you don't know parents like mine. "Having fun" was frowned upon if it happened outside of certain limits. Going to a rock concert, no matter how tame, would be a big no-no until at least 16. Even then it would be like an inquisition. You'd have to state your case and show that everything would be OK.

😂

😜

🤣

😂😂😂

Its about trust fund great grandchildren now.

Just speculation here: I think the reason Oates didn't let Hall know is because he would have had to sell his half cheaper to Hall himself. I wouldn't have let him know either it's a financial move not a spiteful move. He should be able to sell it for as much as he can get.

@@user-kj6er8iu8w i still think letting Hall know is not an obligation for him to sell his half cheaply. At least he did his bit and not blindsided him. Anyway, hope they will sort it out. They both did great music together.

@@user-kj6er8iu8w Even if it had been cheaper, it would have been more honorable. Honor...I know I might be mocked for that. But there is plenty of money to go around for them both. It is just really sad.

@@abertasso1298 He doesn't "owe" Hall jack! They have both had a very lucrative career together. Oates should be able to do anything he wants with his half including selling to the highest bidder. It has nothing to do with honor. It's not like he's stealing from him or anything. It's not like Hall needs more money! He's just crying in his soup instead of remaining friends and respecting Oates decision.

​Please reread my comment. I thought I was very fair and balanced. And everything people do everyday has everything to do with honor. I did not say anything about "owing" anything, including jack. No one, including you or me, knows the whole story. Really only the two of them do. In any case, just because someone has the right to do something does not mean it is the right thing to do. Here endeth my participation in this thread. @@user-kj6er8iu8w

The big difference is Garfunkel didn’t write the music but was the main voice so there shouldn’t be any dispute if Simon decides to cash in on the catalog. 6:16

Nonsense. Hall and Oates worked together for more than 40 years. Simon and Garfunkel did not come close to that.

@@Tank4Life I'm not saying this is an identical comparison. I'm saying it's just another musical partnership of two men who appeared to be best buddies who actually aren't.

Bridge over very troubled waters

I can't go for that (no can do)

😅😂😂

Two rock stars fighting over millions while millions of their fans struggle to get by. Talk about being tone-deaf off stage.

EGO destroys everything!

If I remember correctly, one of their biggest hits was "Maneater." That song came from John Oates.

​@@DrTomoculus and if John Oates had sung it, it wouldn't have been a hit.

@@jdmarr2259 Writing is more difficult than singing. Singing is something you're (for the most part) born with, writing is something that takes years to hone.

@@jdmarr2259 It's actually their biggest hit. It was more successful than the number 1 hits that preceded it. It's kinda like Daryl Hall having a really good batting season, but Oates comes in with the season homerun that brings the championship home. They're a team right? I don't even like baseball but it's a good analogy. No matter what Hall put into that relationship, Oates gave it back. He just wrote less. That doesn't mean everything Hall writes is a hit either. My other posts in this video have gone back a few years where Daryl Hall downplays any friendship these two have, regards their relationship as business, but doesn't even consider them partners. Hall has been saying this for years now. That Oates sold his part in their partnership without any notification, is simply because Daryl Hall has been saying they're not partners, nor friends like we think they are, for many years now.

@@DrTomoculus Really nice sax solo. Heard it yesterday. Food idea for a song, Something about 'perfect jaguar" Much better in 70's than 80's.

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lololol

Hall and Oates have been around for decades, not the Beatles. They were all still under 30 when they broke up.

thats what I was thinking

Daryl is that you? Sorry, it's his half and he worked just as hard to make the music. He should be able to sell it to the highest bidder. Daryl has the right to buy it at the same price as the highest bidder.

That’s what I was thinking!

For the money

"Why would he want to sell it though!" It could be as simple as needing the money or just wanting to enjoy what he had worked so hard for before he dies. He's already 76 years old! The average lifespan of a U.S. male is 76 years old.

Someone wrote this they're trading a lump sum for royalties, turning their catalogs into investment products. This, to me, is a positive development and a great reason to be investing in the music/creator sphere. It depends on if they're selling just the publishing, or the rights total to the music. I'm not sure what Oates has done, but the world of "royalties" has kind of disappeared. Since streaming services like KZfaq and Spotify, which now dominate how people listen to music, don't pay the artist jackshit.

Your observation might be spot on

Kind of uninformed there. Oates is a songwriter

They both are really blessed because their fans aren't really taking one side or the other. I think its clear that John has mishandled some things but he may have reasons for why he has. And that is something i understand. I will root for both of them. Both are so talented. I like Johns personality better but Daryl's House (his youtube site) is amazing! Wish both the best!

"he said he loves you like a bro" By the way John Oats described it, they never were. They were just music and business partners.

And Hall is the talent, not Oates. Oates stabbed him in the back after every Hall did for him.

Reading through the comments, and I'm remembering what I saw a few years ago from Daryl Hall, and I remember the disappointment I felt seeing him say the things he was saying. And basically what he was saying, was the same thing John Oates is saying here. That their "brotherhood" is an illusion, their partnership is strictly business. And I remember hearing him say this, and thinking, well that's a shame. I can't point you to the interview in question, but it was years ago. He was basically saying Hall & Oates is just a corporation now, their personal relationship was almost non-existent. So NOW I can see why John Oates didn't bother saying anything to him. Because their friendship has been dead for years. And it's Daryl Hall to my recollection that first started saying this to everyone. Not John Oates.

So true. Daryl's vocal chops were amazing. However, John wrote, arranged, and played a far superior guitar.

whatever. copyright and publishing laws have to change to keep up with modern times, the writing is on the wall. oates wants to sell the catalog while it still has value rather than leave their heirs worthless publishing rights. oates is smart, hall is stubborn (aka stupid). hall still thinks like it's 1980 and won't listen to reason.

Daryl certainly had vocal chops, no doubt. Arrangements and guitar chops, Oats was far superior (if you know music).

@@amybethhurst Still need a song, other wise you are only polishing and arranging a .......if you know music.

@@xxcelr8rs Uh-huh and John wrote some of their best songs but you don't know music

Nah man Daryll would sue him if he tried that😂

No, he grew up on these tunes, that's why he asked to do the interview.

Not true. The facts show your statement to be 100% false. Daryl himself said the number one reason they broke onto the music scene was John Oates wrote “She’s Gone” on his own, it became a huge hit and their career took off. They both wrote lots of their music. People always want to credit the “main singer”, who was Daryl, but they were co-collaborators on their music. No one rode the coattails of the other and neither of them has ever made that claim.

and Harold Melvin treated that band horribly.

@@rondaallen7211 exactly

Teddy P sang all those songs, so I think it would be like "Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes without Teddy P." because they sure were nothing (globally-wise) without Teddy.

@@pillbug1657 they got another singer after Teddy. he was good too.

Hall without Oats is like Otis Day without the Knights 😅

Daryl probably thinks the catalog is worth much more than what John can get for just his percentage of writing credits. Also, Daryl may want to pass the publishing rights on to his children instead of cashing in on it now. Either way John Oates should have had his lawyer(s) contact Daryl Hall(s) first to see if he was willing to go along with the deal first. 6:16

Daryl’s almost 80. His kid has some problems I think. Daryl Hall can not sell out Big Venues. Neither can John. Daryl has been putting John down in Interviews for years. Daryl Will sell. Also, read John’s book. He pissed through a fortune. He needs the dough.

Thay it ain't tho

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