Raw Carbon Fiber Guide - and the BEST Value Paddles Right Now

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0:00 Introduction
1:09 What is T700 Carbon Fiber?
3:37 Cheap Materials = Poor Durability
6:18 Top-Tier Carbon Fiber Manufacturers
7:23 Which Paddle Companies Use the Best Carbon Fiber?
8:56 Tangent: Why the Franklin Carbon STK is NOT My Favorite Paddle
10:31 Paddle Companies Materials and Cost Comparison
11:36 My Top Picks for Best Value Paddles
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@brianbanks3044 Жыл бұрын

the most informative technology review I have seen so far on youtube...great job...glad I have the CRBN 1 x and love it

@douglaspark59 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info. I had been researching a new paddle and came across your video. I choose the Ronbus paddle you mentioned and used the code you supplied. Looking forward to playing with it. Thanks again.

@comanj76 Жыл бұрын

Great reviews and informative/educational video on all the terminology being used with the flooded market of new carbon fiber paddles. Used your code to order a Black Diamond due to the excellent wear and tear you experienced with that paddle. I’ve also been waiting on my Legacy Pro for over two months and am hoping it holds up as well.

@Chimboica2011 Жыл бұрын

Amazing video John, thank you so much for the material and technical aspects of the today's paddles.

@jasonchristinablanton3482 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely phenomenal work put into your video! Thank you for helping me make my decision, I ordered the Rombus r1.16 with your code!

@ryanpek Жыл бұрын

Looking forward to you additional reviews and thoughts.. Good detail on the t700!

@crownator Жыл бұрын

Excellent video and thanks for bringing these two paddle manufacturers to my attention since I'm demoing new paddles now due to my two Joola paddles needing to be replaced. I'll definitely try these two per your recommendations - thank you again!

@BryceBeatty90 Жыл бұрын

Just ordered the Black Diamond Power based on your video, used your promo as well! Thanks for going through the effort of setting that up and this whole video.

@sean6522 Жыл бұрын

Awesome video, John. Really appreciate the depth of explanation and insight.

@Gwillis7 10 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video, much appreciated and learned so much

@republiusrepublius8360 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so very much, John, for providing us the deep dive, granular information as to pickleball paddle construction and materials that the manufacturers are obfuscating and misleading as to. Looking forward to you discussing in the future pickleball paddle issues as to fusing, polypropylene core quality, and polypropylene core cell size. And, of course, please be vigilant as to ongoing delamination issues and future pickleball paddle generation technologies. So many of us are relying on you for purchase decisions. Thank you, again.

@kylelong3867 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing all the leg work to keep us consumer's well informed. You are truly providing a valuable service to the pickleball community and your efforts are appreciated 👍

@neiljacildo8776 Жыл бұрын

What an indepth video! Great job, thank you for the information

@BMT1989 Жыл бұрын

By far the best paddle technology review and education. Keep it up this amazing research you bring to game!

@johnmacneill6403 9 ай бұрын

Great video John. Keep up the nice work.

@sharonchronis7582 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the info. This really cleared things up the paddles that I previously use where down way too quickly.

@SamGarza Жыл бұрын

The best paddle review I have found. Very good content, keep it up. 🙌🏻

@littlebigface Жыл бұрын

Really great informative video, it's hard finding in-depth dives on some topics even though there's a lot of very intricate aspects. Would love to see some of the information on lead tape and the physics that go into how that changes the paddle when used with different methods. Again, amazing job man

@derekwintermute5000 7 ай бұрын

Thank you for the valuable information!

@JosephTMyers Жыл бұрын

Thoroughly enjoyed your review. After searching and surfing the paddle market back a few months ago i decided on the Six Zero Double Black Diamond as i value control over power. No regrets after around 2 months of play both travel and at home.

@zeruth467 Жыл бұрын

Congratulations, you just made the BEST VIDEO OUT THERE right now. I know you’ll continue 🎉🎉🎉

@vincentszymborski359 6 ай бұрын

John- Great reviews with the right mix of fact and explanation. Best on KZfaq!

@glennbrown9178 Жыл бұрын

Great reviews! Well done John.

@pats300zx Жыл бұрын

One of the best review channels out there. Keep up the fantastic work John. Looking forward to your thoughts on CRBN 1x and Legacy.

@cwarner5909 Жыл бұрын

Very much apricated this informative video, thank you for putting in the time and effort to do this! With the price of paddles what they are nowadays this kind of information makes it easier to select a paddle by ignoring marketing and hype!

@andyt8504 Жыл бұрын

This this is a very helpful and educational video for someone like me who is an intermediate player trying to advance his game and upgrade his paddle.

@2musiclover534 8 ай бұрын

Liked. Subscribed. Bravo. Love the texhnical analysis

@richarde1355 3 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for this review! I’ve been seeing the continued reference to Gen 1 and Gen 2, that thermoformed paddles are the rage, blah blah, but until your review no one had explained the difference ls or why thermoformed paddles are better. Now I get it! Thanks!

@daniboy8 Жыл бұрын

Thank you for such good information, very good analysis.

@kobylskir Жыл бұрын

i recently realized my ben johns joola hyperion paddle was seemingly smooth at the center and i wasn’t getting the rpms anymore. i’ve had it since release. it makes a lot of sense after seeing your video. thanks.

@Arx9845 Жыл бұрын

Outstanding analysis, superb commentary and phenomenal video production John. I owe you a coffee, beer AND steak dinner. Sincere thanks.

@uncawaltsadventures1602 Жыл бұрын

Great video and education on material and quality of paddles. Im brand new to the game and a new owner of a Ronbus R1.16 because of your review. I feel I have a great piece of performance equipment at a great price based on your work. Thanks a million. Liked and subscribed.

@MulliganAl 9 ай бұрын

Dang this is a great video. I guess I'm a Pickleball paddle nerd because I enjoyed everything about this and I love being able to make informed decisions. Thanks for the very helpful insight. I'll make sure to use your code when I buy.

@jeffsayad7725 Жыл бұрын

Very informative, bro! Thank you!!

@tenthlegionstudios1343 Жыл бұрын

Wow, great video - in depth breakdown.

@turbokat95 Жыл бұрын

Great roll up! I bought a Ronbus EV1.16 myself and love it. I trust an engineer, me being one of them, so I really trust Ronbus. I'm excited to see what he does next.

@mikehoag4846 10 ай бұрын

Great work! You would usually associate the term "influencer" with channels that have millions of subscribers, and wouldn't bother with channels that don't. I just got introduced to pickleball at the age of 57, and like most I'm sure, got hooked right away! I'm currently researching for my first paddle, and will say you are my primary resource. You obviously do the scientific legwork which brings authority to the table. Keep it up!

@Gustavo-xz8os Жыл бұрын

Your videos are great, the detail is excellent. Based on this video im strongly considering buying one or both of these paddles. More likely the black diamond

@phyllisrosen7637 Жыл бұрын

Very informative! Thanks a million!!

@roberttwong5811 10 ай бұрын

Appreciate the detail assessment of paddles, especially in the direct sale paddles which are more difficult to test. Took your advice on the 6.0 Black Diamond and am very happy with it. Spin, power and durability as claimed. Only criticism is one side clearly has more texture than the other but haven’t noticed a difference in performance.

@SuperThunder911 6 ай бұрын

Awesome video, thank you for the info.

@mauricethegreasepickleball Жыл бұрын

Massively informative. Gonna have to put this out to the forums.

@framajo23 Жыл бұрын

Hi John! You got another suscriber here!! Awesome video/review, congratulations. I know many of us would LOVE your review of all currently sold thermoformed paddles. Thank you again for an extremely educational video!!👍👍

@johnkewpickleball Жыл бұрын

Thanks! And I do intend to make a thermoformed paddle rundown at some point

@williamkterrell Жыл бұрын

Excellent review and much appreciated. Technical paddles do have a wear down factor. Thanks for your review.

@prmbrown Жыл бұрын

Super helpful! Thanks!

@tagman12 Жыл бұрын

Absolutely awesome video -- thank you for all the indepth info! Keep up the great work. Will check out your videos here but if you haven't done one on Legacy Pro -- I would love to request it. thanks again

@shoplee1 10 ай бұрын

Great video!!! Much more real data and logical analysis than other channels. I loved the chart showing the spin generated by various paddles, but some of the names of the paddles were cut off because they were too long. Would it be possible to see a version with the full names of the paddles? Thank you and keep up the great work!

@jeffshoket5155 Жыл бұрын

Thank you John for your valuable research!!! I appreciate the lag time between your videos, you really add value by making the video as insightful and thoughtful as you do 🙏

@johnkewpickleball Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Sometimes I wonder when I'm making these, if anyone else out there will find these deep dives at all interesting, haha.

@jeffshoket5155 Жыл бұрын

@@johnkewpickleball, just keep them coming… I like the no fuss no muss approach to your videos. It helps me make better informed decisions on my purchase of sports equipment (BP). Thank you!!!!

@kauaixtremeshorefishing1021 Жыл бұрын

just got me the RONBUS R1. well see how it goes awesome review bro

@darrell1374 Жыл бұрын

Thanks. I was curious about the six zero double black diamond!

@gregvaldez6604 Жыл бұрын

Great review!!

@brucesmith7473 Жыл бұрын

Yo Bro you da man, great information where the average joe or Josephine can understand it. Paddles cost so much these days and there are so many being circulated, it's great for serious players that don't have a big bank budget to help them narrow down their choices with REAL facts and comparisons. Love this guy he's GREAT FOR THE PICKLEBALL COMMUNITY.

@jennifeuer5454 Жыл бұрын

excellent content! 👏🏼👏🏼

@Newchiii 8 ай бұрын

The only thing better quality then that Toray Carbon is this video! Well done 👍🏻

@kimleith1378 Жыл бұрын

John you knocked it out of the park on this carbon fiber topic. So much went into this, so thanks. The delamination is the hot topic these days, so the glue being used to attach the face to the core is the next "trade secret" we will be looking at as paddle geeks. Non Pros look at durability of their paddles, unlike pros who get them for free every tournament.

@johnkewpickleball Жыл бұрын

I planned to touch on the delamination topic in this video, but it quickly became a rabbithole, so I cut it out of the script and left it for future me. I haven't seen delamination with any of my thermoformed paddles (n=4), but I agree that it's an issue with thermoformed paddles. I'm optimistic that paddle companies have already largely fixed the issue with better glue (less brittle and prone to breakage).

@michaeldaw1372 Жыл бұрын

My six zero delaminated and got a replacement under warranty. And I played a tournament against a delaminated legacy pro which had extreme and unfair pace. So it happens and I suspect fairly common but hopefully just the initial batch….

@MattDillon71 Жыл бұрын

I'd be interested to see where Vatic Pro fall in this line-up.

@americaalways1442 8 ай бұрын

I'm glad I came across this video as a new player coming over from tennis. When a tennis racquet starts losing performance it is time to change the strings, not the entire racquet unless you're a pro. I can now eliminate a lot of brands that do not state where their T700 comes from. Thank you for saving me money in the long run.

@EricWalkerDC Жыл бұрын

I purchased the R1.16 with your discount code, thanks!

@LavernLee-zz5ln 11 ай бұрын

Great discussion on carbon fiber materials in paddles.

@deedeewebb361 9 ай бұрын

I purchased the Ronbus with your code yesterday after watching your video. Thanks for the info. I’ve been playing since June and felt like I needed an upgrade.

@johnkewpickleball 9 ай бұрын

Excellent- I hope you enjoy it!

@susanscandles 4 ай бұрын

Just getting ready to start learning pickleball, so watching videos to get recommendations for beginner paddles that can go with me as intermediate player.

@davidj7516 8 ай бұрын

Thank you for your time and posting. Great information. Just bought a Gearbox Pro Power Elongated ($275), we'll see. :) I felt really sorry for JW Johnson when he first started using his Franklin paddles. All he ever did was look at the paddle after a crappy shot.

@stevenmcelroy1551 Жыл бұрын

Sorry I asked the question too soon. But still interested in your thoughts. Thank you for all this information.

@PickleballWill Жыл бұрын

thank you John! 🙏

@scubaseppy Жыл бұрын

Wow, are you good at breaking down a complicated subject quickly. You could do any subject not just pickleball. Great video thank you.

@josegallegosdds 5 ай бұрын

Wow! That’s a ton of info there👍🏼

@vitoberlingeri1879 Жыл бұрын

Great review on carbon face paddles. Have you done a review on the Holbrook carbon paddle out of Utah. Liked the way and as you mentioned it may wear out in a short timeframe. Thanks Vito

@kirknorman2403 4 күн бұрын

Thanks man! Good info 🖖

@buildingpickleball Жыл бұрын

Awesome depth.

@Adroyo 7 ай бұрын

Great vid, subbed

@benthecaptain7419 11 ай бұрын

Seriously, a great video. I'm now to PB and the Amazon specials are not cutting it any more. But if I'm spending alot of money I want the thing to last.

@tommckenna9905 6 ай бұрын

I have loved my Ronbus R1.16 for 5 mos now. Awesome spin, great value...& quality...no signs of showing wear.

@TraciTravisLeBlanc-ob1vc Жыл бұрын

I guess I made a pretty good choice on the ronbus r1 16. I ordered this paddle last week before even seeing this video. Well I used for the first time and wow I love it. Now after seeing your video which was very well made sir. I love it even more. Now confident about raw carbon fiber on this paddle not wearing out like most. Thank you sir.

@dillontucker5297 Жыл бұрын

has it started wearing out?

@PieOnPot Жыл бұрын

John, thank you, the scientific approach was welcomed and beneficial. I've been playing with "cheap" wooden paddles and ready to buy something better. Went with double black diamond for control (assume more beginner friendly), and used your affiliate code so you could get the kickback. Thanks!

@PieOnPot 10 ай бұрын

John, circling back - both my brother and I -really- like our paddles, and I just picked up one more for my girlfriend tonight (using your affiliate code (: ). Again, thank you for the actual scientific approach to your review - better than just the "it's great" without any real comparison. If others considering this paddle, I was using basic Amazon wooden paddles (4 paddles for 40 type of thing), where you definitely can enjoy the game and play with them, I was genuinely surprised how much more I enjoyed playing with a proper paddle.

@johnpatterson4462 11 ай бұрын

Your video was definitely well spent time for interested buyers or just knowledge seekers in the confusing paddle market. I purchased the R1.16 with your discount. My goal is to replace my Onix Z5. Hopefully this will lead to an upgrade to the R1 Pulsar in due time! Thanks John.

@johnkewpickleball 11 ай бұрын

Glad you liked the video, and great choice with the R1 👍

@paulelkins425 Жыл бұрын

Excellent review and explanation of the differentiators between the large pool of RCF paddles! I suppose many players have come to the same conclusion since SixZero models are all sold out. The Ronbus looks to be a steal at the price for a Gen1 style paddle. Any word on when they will release their Gen2 model with thermoforming and edge foam? Personally, I'd like to see more paddles with edge foam but w/o thermoforming for maximum control.

@tonycapone4803 Жыл бұрын

Great Video!

@johnkewpickleball Жыл бұрын

Hey Tony, good to play with you on the play footage for this one. More footage coming on the full review. Including the times that I was on the losing end of points!

@davidj7516 Жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. Great info. I watched this twice. And agree that you don't have to do a review on the Franklin Carbon STK, you just have to see how JW Johnson's game has gone to crap for the proof. :) Subscribed.

@1GrecianUrn Жыл бұрын

Loving your videos! I hadn’t realized that my $179 CRBN1 paddles weren’t using Toray. It finally makes sense to me now why my $100 Ronbus R3 gives me better spin. What an incredible replacement for my CRBN1 at such a low price!

@jazjablonski407 Жыл бұрын

How is the control and power of your Ronbus?

@1GrecianUrn Жыл бұрын

@@jazjablonski407 It’s excellent, in my opinion. I’m a pretty big guy though with little need for a power paddle, since I have enough strength to put away balls. I happen to think the R3 is a better paddle all around than the CRBN 1. Better spin, similar control, and slightly more put away power.

@guyrestivo 7 ай бұрын

@1GrecianUrn i got a laugh out of your handle id "1grecianurn" from " The Music Man"......."trickle..trickle"...that scene and lady cracks me up..haa

@1GrecianUrn 7 ай бұрын

@@guyrestivo Haha. Yes, my favorite musical!

@garygorgo3600 Жыл бұрын

Excellent information!! What is your opinion on the Legacy Pro? Looking to buy one!

@DGDancemonkey Жыл бұрын

Thanks for making it easy to understand for a beginner! I got the Prism Flash. That should get me started in the right direction. Pun intended 🙈

@jeffhelmes3039 8 ай бұрын

Excellent explanation on how "permanent texture" carbon fiber loses its spin! I LOVED my GRUVN MUVN16X initially thanks in large part to crazy consistent roll volleys I managed with nice spin & swing weight with solid twist weight. Then after a few months of daily play, those same balls almost suddenly started going out. I ASSumed the T700 meant forever grit, but I noticed it is now about as smooth as a Z5! Thank you for your good work on Swing & Twist weights. I wonder if you will come up with a reliable way to quantify touch & power some day... I also own a Ronbus R1.16 which has very similar specs to the MUVN 16X but feels like a completely different animal, like hitting ball with a pillow (pure control, no pop) whereas the GRUVN has a nice balance of solid pop with control. They have identical lengths (16.5" overall w/ 5.5" grips), static weight (both of mine are 8.1oz.), swing weight spec (117), & similar twist weights (6.36 vs 6.19); however, in my hand, the GRUN feels a noticeably more nimble... Perhaps it's the thinner grip (4.125 vs 4.25) &/or the narrower "more aerodynamic" face (7.375" vs 7.5" wide)? Curious...

@CruiserDawg 10 ай бұрын

Amazing review. Now that you have tried the Runbus R3 Pulsar and the new Pickleballape Energy paddle, which one would you recommend?

@user-so7mj5tb8x Жыл бұрын

I play with a lot of spin. My first paddle was a gear box and I liked it until the edge wore down from too many digs on the hard court service. I then looked to the Ben Johns before watching your review. I found your review to be spot on... the spin did wear down quickly (within 3 months) and the top of the paddle cracked after just a 7-8 weeks of play. I then took your recommendation on the Ronbus and I cant believe the spin I get from it. However I will say that when I got the paddle one side had more grit than the other. I wrote into Ronbus and they said the paddles were man made so would have slight defects and that it would still have more spin than most other paddles and he was right. But it was still a little strange to me. That being said I plan to get another one because of the spin and control I have with it.

@seanp777 Жыл бұрын

So the Voltaire Mach 1 would have similar spin to the Ronbus 16mm then, correct? As I am hearing they are pretty much identical paddles. My back up paddle purchase will be the Ronbus if so 😊. Great video, I subscribed👍🏼

@RandyJohnson-xw6lf Жыл бұрын

I have been using a performance one paddle model TT. The spin was absolutely the most I have experienced. I started using it 3 four hour session a week last July and the spin rate and texture feel dropped off around January. It sounds like that is a good life span. It would be nice to hear a review on this paddle. Thanks for the information you provided.

@dixongalbreath145 11 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review John. Do you plan on reviewing the new Onix paddles? I play the premier ct16 like it a lot but want to try carbon fiber. I tried the bison summit but it had poor power. Thanks, Dixon

@SamSung-pn6il Жыл бұрын

You get my Pickleball Hero award.

@BatFlipBP Жыл бұрын

I've got to get you set up with Proton Sports and their new paddle. I know Charles would love your in depth analysis of the materials used. I'll definitely send him your info!

@anthonyeaton778 Жыл бұрын

I agree with the other comments that said this is a great video. I like the technical approach you take in the review of these paddles and am shocked at how many people don't understand the small details used in marketing jargon that's used to make sales. As others have mentioned I think the delamination is the next huge issue that needs to be assessed and understood. Most people don't understand what delamination is and don't understand the difference between the old style construction method and thermoformed. Thermoformed paddles will launch a ball when delaminated vs. a typical honeycomb construction which feels dead after delamination. I am shocked that manufacturers are struggling so much with their resin bond of the face, handle, edge guard, etc. I work with epoxy in woodworking and would never use a cheap off brand of epoxy as I don't trust the longevity of the glue joint. The technology in resin based adhesives is very advanced therefore don't think manufacturers should be struggling so much bonding their materials together.

@republiusrepublius8360 Жыл бұрын

Hello. As someone with experience as to fusing, glue, and resin would you say that in adhering a carbon fiber face to a polypropylene core it is inevitable that they eventually fail to stay bonded? With high grade materials how long should a regularly used paddle avoid delamination? Thank you.

@steveelgersma3589 Жыл бұрын

GREAT REVIEW! I have been trying "carbon" paddles on the court to see what kind of feel I like and how the spin is after a paddle has been used for a bit. The difference in models is like night and day, even though they all are supposedly similar in construction and materials. I learned so much about the difference in the type of carbon used in manufacturing and the variability in the fibers' ability to stand up to play. Just out of curiosity though, I started playing with a Paddletek Element and was thinking of just purchasing the newer Phoenix Genesis for just outdoor recreational play. Do you have any thoughts on that paddle for a good fiberglass model?

@Squaredot01 Жыл бұрын

Amazing video! Do you have a link to a file with your spin test results? I can't see some of the Selkirk model names.

@andyapsay8220 4 ай бұрын

Very informative and helpful in upgrading my beginner paddle. Joola’s products are not as great as advertised. Subscribed.

@ar15tac Жыл бұрын

Great video really does affect what I will buy. Only thing that I would say and Not sure if it helps. The New engage ultra says they use a R210 carbon fiber. Which if it does what they say looks promising... Proprietary is always a fun word for transparency. Seems like the new rombus is just a better version of the older crbn 2. Copied from their sight for reference. R210 Carbon Fiber Proprietary chemically bonded Carbon Fiber technology for maximum texture and friction between the ball and surface for unmatched spin. Increased surface strength Latest technology to ensure a consistent surface compression and rebound rate for enhanced ball control and feel.

@MP-tf7cc 7 ай бұрын

Yes, durability and value (as well as performance of course) are very important to me, and probably most if not all recreational players.

@DM72513 Жыл бұрын

Loved your cover of Rosetta Stoned.

@johnkewpickleball Жыл бұрын

Haha, thanks! Not much crossover between the drumming and pickleball worlds

@javierguzman2734 11 ай бұрын

Awesome review im curious about prodrive?

@carlosraygada5598 8 ай бұрын

Hi John, this video has broaden up my view about carbon fiber paddles. I am based in Canada and was wondering if have you ever heard about Combat Paddles. They are a Canadian brand and currently have the Katana Model which says is a Toray T700 Carbon Fiber Paddle. It would be great if you know anything about this brand as the price point is lower than the 6.0 you recommend. Thanks!

@jasonwalker1959 10 ай бұрын

Can you rank the Ronbus, Black Diamond and the Kevlar PB Apes? they all sound fascinating, especially compared in spin versus my Joola Vision

@AM-yg1ym Жыл бұрын

Good job. Consider evaluating the carbon fiber sizing used rather than the fiber itself. The types of failures you are finding are typical of a matrix fiber interface failure. Toray is a premier carbon fiber company that spent millions on understanding this issue for aerospace. Glass is better understood in this area, hence likely performs better for durability. It would also be interesting if you could document the testing procedure for spin and insure consistence in approach so results can be better understood.