SSL Bot vs RLCS Pros | ft. Seer, Rezears & Ivn

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Ай бұрын

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@crackhead3094 Ай бұрын

We need to see a Gen.G vs bots i need ApperentlyJack to play this

@edgeribble Ай бұрын

only eu players can play seer

@h20dancing18 Ай бұрын

He is NA, bots are EU only

@joshuabryan3692 Ай бұрын

During LAN maybe - currently the bot creator is EU based and he can't release the code further due to Psyonix request following what happened last year with NEXTO getting into ranked. Sorry if I'm reiterating something you already know.

@anassright5342 Ай бұрын

@@joshuabryan3692he can but not publicly

@jamesp1389 Ай бұрын

He's gonna over analyse it hahaha

@mlgnoob3126 Ай бұрын

They should make the bots What a Save! Every time for the lols

@thaddeus1519 Ай бұрын

I think to make it deeper, they should have a hard code for saying a single "whew" if they score 2 goals in 30 seconds or something.

@UltrawideGC Ай бұрын

Well played!

@homeyworkey Ай бұрын

you are a legend bro i speak for everyone when i say we love this stuff and want to see the computer limit in this game, id also be interested if you made a similar project purely based on visual data instead of the coordinates being send to them but that would be much harder obv

@gamefreaknetunofficial 11 күн бұрын

Sign these Seer Bots up to the next RLCS list 😶

@thaddeus1519 Ай бұрын

Ultrawide needs to reward the bots for double taps into net, and pinches into net.

@opliko Ай бұрын

Imagine seer just ceiling pinching it into the net from anywhere

@FM1234 Ай бұрын

Supposedly, he should only reward the bots for a goal, and give a penalty for when they get scored on. Everything else is not theoretically correct. The problem is that it self learns so it is not practical to just do this

@aneraxxmusic2343 Ай бұрын

That would be cool but if you've ever tried to make a Rocket League AI it's not quite that simple

@ifxthenwhy6202 Ай бұрын

@@aneraxxmusic2343 As Johnny was saying the creator seems to be able to make secondary objectives such as "get a flip reset" so I don't see why he wouldn't be able to with other fairly basic mechanics

@jakebrowning2373 Ай бұрын

@FM1234 you can reward 2 goals for double taps or pinches and train it for a bit to get the model into a hopefully better place area of optimization space, then remove the rewards and train normally until convergence. My thought is that the model might be in bad local min, but training on double taps for a bit can shift it somewhere new Also, it's not theoretically correct to say that rewarding for a goal and penalizing for getting scored on will lead to the best possible bot. Because of local minimums

@joeclifford183 Ай бұрын

The difference between the two versions is insane!! I didn’t think it would be an interesting series until game 2.

@brennanwilliams11 Ай бұрын

This goes to show what a god tier 2v2 team Rezears and IVN are because they 7-3'd the same bots that took KC to game 5 and beat Oxygen

@maxfern5701 Ай бұрын

The bots still don't use so many mechanics, they will be completely unstoppable when they figure out wave dash, chain dash, multiple flip resets, etc...

@Allusyy Ай бұрын

This was such a great Seeries.

@GregTurismo Ай бұрын

Well played

@Petals-kk1lb Ай бұрын

*is

@worldofcubing8242 Ай бұрын

boooooo

@Floytia. Ай бұрын

@@Petals-kk1lbWhat you are trying to correct with is completely incorrect: “is” is used when an event is occurring however, “was” is used when an event already occurred. Here are some suggestions to avoid making this error: 1. Listen in English class and 2. Shut the fuck up.

@roadtoplatbutimbad4738 Ай бұрын

@@Petals-kk1lb Well if they were referencing the bo5 series that was already played, they're correct.

@the-method81 Ай бұрын

Feer vs JohnnyBoi 1v1 Showmatch- AppJack commentary

@Steamrawrler Ай бұрын

Would you people give up

@the-method81 Ай бұрын

@@Steamrawrler 😘

@noivern8595 Ай бұрын

Are they evenly matched

@TheSourovAqib Ай бұрын

AppJack vs commentary 1v1 Showmatch- JohnnyFeerBoi

@the-method81 Ай бұрын

@@TheSourovAqib 🤣

@CriticalPotato Ай бұрын

Johnnyboi and Feer vs Seer and Seer, Appjack and Rise commentary.

@kingo5940 Ай бұрын

This

@roadtoplatbutimbad4738 Ай бұрын

Holy blowout

@martinkrajscak4381 Ай бұрын

28:10 is quite literally undefendable and they not only defended but also turned it into a goal. Huge respect to these two chaps!

@holysecret2 Ай бұрын

That team defense was incredible

@twentyfour4222 Ай бұрын

It’s not “quite literally undefendable” if it has been defended.

@Pekara121 Ай бұрын

Its not an insult anymore to call someone a bot in this game 😭 we bouta have stockfish lvl bots

@SimplyAnAxolotl.official Ай бұрын

OMG STOCKFISH YOU KNOW IT

@connorking984 Ай бұрын

Everyone knows chess AIs brother@@SimplyAnAxolotl.official

@roadtoplatbutimbad4738 Ай бұрын

@@SimplyAnAxolotl.official It's literally one of if not the most known AI for a game currently in existence lol.

@SimplyAnAxolotl.official Ай бұрын

@@roadtoplatbutimbad4738 oh cuz none of my friends know bonut it

@oriepstein5204 Ай бұрын

seer is the coolest thing in rocket league in a very hot minute cant wait for more players to go up against it

@torry2 Ай бұрын

I'm surprised we haven't seen any new mechanics from the bots. Usually these ai training things find ways to exploit the limits of the engine

@AbrasiveCarl Ай бұрын

This is wild. ngl I was rooting for the bots

@swoog10 Ай бұрын

finally some pros actually taking this seriously and taking advantage of the bots weaknesses!

@colinvandermeer Ай бұрын

A note on seer’s proclivity for acquiring flip resets: the same motif was evident in chess engines with its overvaluation of material advantages. Top thinkers couldn’t argue against the play style empirically due to the engines raw power in calculation, but alpha zero evidenced the superiority of human conceptions of best methodology when backed by technique (mechanics in rl terms).

@thenayancat8802 Ай бұрын

I thought Alpha Zero went quite the other way, often making very counterintuitive moves for long-term positional advantage?

@colinvandermeer Ай бұрын

@@thenayancat8802the sacrificial play was counterintuitive to both stockfish and mortals, sure, but the spirit of it was very human. In early engines, especially, material was very heavily weighted. You would see the engines go to enormous lengths to defend positions with shattered pawn structures against gambit lines. This was the basis of Kasparov’s accusations against IBM of having GM’s working with deep blue after its knight sacrifice in game 6. Modern engines are much better at understanding the value of activity and initiative of course, but there was major strides made in that after alpha zeros public demolition of stockfish. Apparently with good hardware you can replay those games and stockfish 8 finds a lot of alpha zeros moves pretty quickly

@BrawlLegendLink Ай бұрын

@@thenayancat8802yes, but it basically did so by following "human"-like intuition of the game, unlike classic, purely calculation-based engines. It just so happened to find patterns that humans weren't able to find.

@Willstxr Ай бұрын

36:48 this whole sequence is actually insane bro what💀💀

@nevasion Ай бұрын

plot twist, it was Flakes all along

@MaxLuigiP2 Ай бұрын

10:26 I think seer tried to wavedash here

@Sfx654 Ай бұрын

same

@CorvetteAustin24 Ай бұрын

Game 5 was awesome to watch!!! This series is a blast, keep it up, Johnny!

@alanfranklin8301 Ай бұрын

Name change was a glitch only you could see, I've seen it happen in games as well where my friends name is showing on their other team halfway through the game but nobody else could see it

@nikodriftpie1789 Ай бұрын

so johnny there is a way to have ballcam on regardless the players you are pov on you just have to enable the ball cam in the camera setings in the game menue when spectating

@Sunny-uu5oc Ай бұрын

Love these videos!!! Please keep doing more of these

@GrantGorman-wg4oe Ай бұрын

Really enjoying the Seer content keep it coming!

@Bonk742 Ай бұрын

Seer's next upgrade will probably be pinches. If they can perfect team/wall pinches it will be GG

@ReverseFlash23 Ай бұрын

Keep these games coming. Love to see how these bots evolve

@yummy-mochi420 Ай бұрын

awesome video. way better than that other one about EU being in shambles or whatever. this is actual content.

@adammadison4618 Ай бұрын

These seer videos are so freaking awesome! Please make more pro vs seer matches!, Johnni

@brYan-kv8zn Ай бұрын

38:30 The names change 😂

@wo88les Ай бұрын

The name change at the end happens in standard and private matches, I've noticed it recently alot more. Not sure what causes it but its RL bugging somewhere, could be the spectate bugging / it seems to happen randomly after replays or sometimes during replays and then it sticks. Saw it watching Squishy live with Justin and someone else in 3s standard

@BuzzaB77 Ай бұрын

BTW johnny it's "gridserve" resolve. Grid Iron was the American Football mode.

@guillguill5040 Ай бұрын

These guys are sometime able to defend steer groundplay, they are very good

@Popotato7777 Ай бұрын

Impressive how they don't path the pads or wavedash or f ing air roll and still manage to do so much

@mistaboombosticyt Ай бұрын

Did Johnny call them Gridiron Resolve? 😂

@jamesp1389 Ай бұрын

Bots peaking and wow brilliant series. I'd love to see the code powering Seer!

@Madrex13 Ай бұрын

These bots brings my interest back to the game honestly

@jaki75 Ай бұрын

They have done it, congrats to the humanity

@Meehka_ 8 күн бұрын

35:14 Rezears Psycho was crazy!

@chainuser1774 Ай бұрын

This is just so funny to me.

@PunishThemMetal Ай бұрын

Man I love watching these lol

@andrewsullivan6171 Ай бұрын

Did anyone else notice that when the bots were in the opposition half namely in the corner with a potential for a center ball. Instead of normal driving they add a small amount of drift?

@blooodbat007 Ай бұрын

These games especially the last one were so intense. The bots actually were trying to keep up with the aerial play and it was kinda insane what the ball was doing. You don't see that in human games lmao. Just the way seer goes for everything correctly is wild. It just needs better recovery, boost priority, and still some demo dodging and its unbeatable. Also my input on the flip resets being so seemingly random, I think that it's actually a genuinely good strat against itself because imagine a bot trying to read a hit and you have a flip, it has to take that into account so I'm sure it has offensive pressure on its own line of thinking with that.

@goon303 Ай бұрын

Now they just need to let Seer train on millions of lines of toxic RL chat logs, so it can learn to mimic real RL players in chat.

@sweethomealabama121 Ай бұрын

Repeats played amazingly. Wow

@Aquarobin Ай бұрын

5:21 I would absolutely LOVE to see Seer write random taunting messages in certain situations to clown the opponent Goal saved "You thought" Goal scored "Where u at bro ?" Demo "Don't worry, I don't hate you, I just wanted you to dissapear from my sight" Goal taken with a demo ? "Cringe" That would be hilarious

@Willstxr Ай бұрын

38:34 Jesus

@aditya95sriram Ай бұрын

Imagine if the first game was also with the latest version! The bots might have been able to eek out a win maybe, just maybe

@havoccvz Ай бұрын

zen vs seer!

@m10sz68 Ай бұрын

seer is a 2v2 bot

@havoccvz Ай бұрын

@@m10sz68 yeah i mean zen and his tm8 or im sure you could make it 1v1

@MatttKelly Ай бұрын

Is there a way to get harder bots in offline exebition matches? Warming up 1v4 agains bots isn't as effective anymore now that im good-er-ish

@Aceofswade Ай бұрын

Subscribed for the bots. Would love to know if the bots wiggling their tires pre-kickoff is coded-in or not. If it's not it's indicative of personality.

@lambournnne Ай бұрын

If ultrawide encouraged resets closer to the net and backboard stuff this bot would be insane

@Ramza_VIII Ай бұрын

sick games.

@eduardoleiva7155 Ай бұрын

Does anyone know how to get this version of Seer? I have RLBot already.

@surawp4815 Ай бұрын

In a month when pros will be coming to eu for landon i hope we get some more seer content

@Cbchris2113 Ай бұрын

Zen and rw9 vs seer would be legendary

@Toksick7 Ай бұрын

the number 42000 next to the bot name is the amount of hours the bot has trained for the version

@michaeltalmor4963 Ай бұрын

The indomitable human spirit

@TheNovembernovember Ай бұрын

We need a 2v2 Salt Mine Human vs Bots edition: 4 Human teams vs 4 Seer teams. One league day per month. Seer can be updated every month. Would awesome to see how Seer gets better :D

@damnbasti6137 Ай бұрын

Imagine the bot learns how to doubble tap, musty, pinch and psycho 💀

@s.sasquatch1789 Ай бұрын

Should hard code speed flip like kickoff

@SweetiePizza Ай бұрын

Seer vs Moist would be legendary

@Alaris2 Ай бұрын

i would do anything to see bmode and daniel 2v2 these beats

@camarmstrong1425 Ай бұрын

Could you do an interview with UltraWide - keen to hear his thoughts on AI and where it will be in 6 months time

@Smittel Ай бұрын

if only psyonix would figure out a way to keep bots out of matchmaking so I can get absolutely and ruthlessly destroyed by a collection of numbers. I wanna play seers so bad, I have no chance of even entering it's half but I wanna try

@vlxyy Ай бұрын

Im scared for when the bots start freestyling

@galrozental3332 Ай бұрын

We need a 2v2 tournament with seer as a participant

@avalope Ай бұрын

in a year or 2 its gunna be a 2 seer bots vs 3 pros

@martinkrajscak4381 Ай бұрын

Make some popular youtubers and streamers 2v2 seer to actually showcase the huge difference in skill! Landed, Mizu, Lethamyr, Rapid and much more are very capable to showcase how insane seer is!

@roush211 Ай бұрын

No one could had casted this, but johnnulu

@carlosgabrielflor3302 Ай бұрын

It's interesting how people always think that any evolution related to AI is an exponential growth. Like Jhonny thinks that the boot will be able to hit everything perfect in short term just because it improved a lot over the last years. Well that's not true, one important lesson that you guys need to learn is that doesn't matter how good the bot improved in the last month, nothing can prove it will improve the same amount in the next month. That's a reality when you apply statistics in the real world. Maybe to be able to do simple double reset and goals it may take 3 years or even more. Maybe not.

@Sfx654 Ай бұрын

one of the best videos with seer. the best imo

@jacobkarlovich7730 Ай бұрын

Seer plays like champ 1 players in the corners lmao

@tingledinkle Ай бұрын

Holy shit these mofos are INSANE

@danielbirman8877 Ай бұрын

must see zen and dark against them

@cormaca7069 Ай бұрын

Surely it’s gridserve resolve lol

@webplace8268 Ай бұрын

Is a 3vs3 possible?

@oibara2 Ай бұрын

the bots' synergy and passing plays were much weaker here than in the KC series. i wonder if the demo-avoidance behaviour means it doesn't take as many risks. it might perform overall better because it's not vulnerable to demos, but its passing plays are much less dangerous.

@TVCorpRPG Ай бұрын

We want Seer vs Feer!!!

@Nadal- Ай бұрын

crazy

@pingwinner_ Ай бұрын

johnny please do monkey moon and someone vs the bots PLEASEEE

@aztronostic_ Ай бұрын

It would be so cool if rocket league added ssl bots and gc bots because like as a console player you don't have a whole lotta ways to train

@AscastMC Ай бұрын

If they add that they also need to make it impossible to use on ranked

@aztronostic_ Ай бұрын

@@AscastMC Oh for sure bro, the community doesn't need that stuff to happen again

@brycegreen2537 Ай бұрын

I’m convinced it’s all just a big troll and the “bots” are real players

@connor7587 Ай бұрын

How can i play seer?

@m0zzar353 Ай бұрын

TURBOSCHEEKS NEXT

@Codo_Lyoko Ай бұрын

WE WANNA SEE A 3V3 OF BOTS VS PROS

@h20dancing18 Ай бұрын

This is a 2v2 only bot

@Petals-kk1lb Ай бұрын

Its only 2v2

@tradersblankers2931 Ай бұрын

@@Petals-kk1lb He is likely asking if they could train a 3v3 version.

@iqp5699 Ай бұрын

We need seer vs killeerz and rw9

@Qwnntm Ай бұрын

Damn still cant believe they made clones of MonkeyMoon and are having them play against pros in private 2v2 lobbies

@bubbynub Ай бұрын

Try Daniel and beastmode

@MrFRDW Ай бұрын

cmon get good 3s bots and do the final test top tier pro team against a bot team

@gamefreaknetunofficial 11 күн бұрын

real question is why aint Psyonix bought out some of the bot creators to FINALLY IMPROVE the current RL Bots 😒😒😒

@Lancelliot7 Ай бұрын

I don’t think AI will ever need to master flashy triple tap double resets, just like in chess the simplest solution is often the most boring. Humans cling to the idea of flash because of our desire to be more than we are not. AI doesn’t have this issue.

@Crezcendo Ай бұрын

ggs 😀

@rainingfishyy 26 күн бұрын

Keep thinking this guys name is brassiere 😭

@damnbasti6137 Ай бұрын

I think they just learn by playing against these Pros, Which teaches seer how to play against the best and get even better and better

@h20dancing18 Ай бұрын

There is a training mode and a playing mode, they only learn in training mode.

@gavinderulo12 Ай бұрын

It learns by playing against itself only. It does have some prior knowledge based on pro games to give it an initial jump start in the training process but after that it only learns through self play.