Jojo Mayer: Redefining Drumming with Generative Technology

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He is one of the most influential drummers of recent decades, known both as a skilled technician and a visionary. Jojo Mayer talks to us about technology, tradition - and the future of music.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
0:43 - Research and development in Zurich
2:18 - How does his generative machine work?
10:42 - Talk in Ascona about New York and Switzerland
17:49 - How can AI shape the future of music?
22:06 - Outro.
“Why are we still doing this?” Throughout his career, Jojo Mayer has repeatedly explored the boundaries of what is physically possible to play and has established himself as one of the most innovative drummers of his generation. His latest project sees him interact with digital technology on stage - the result is a live symbiotic loop with man and machine which blurs the boundaries between cause and effect.
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@LDdrums20 4 күн бұрын

Man the second part of the video was very interesting and insightful

@swissinfo 3 күн бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@Klausitodrums 6 күн бұрын

Jojo Mayer is a giant. A driver and innovator. More creative in the purest sense. I love his restlessness and curiosity. He has no fear of contact and sees art as a venture and risk, but also as a playground and the resulting opportunity to discover new things. He stands on the shoulders of giants and knows the meaning and responsibilty of it. But what impresses me, in addition to his incredible virtuosity, musicality and creativity, is his vision and ability to place his artistic possibilities in a highly interesting philosophical discourse. Jojo Mayer. Creative Musician. Innovator. Philosopher.

@sevenfacecomplex 5 күн бұрын

what a joke

@Klausitodrums 5 күн бұрын

@@sevenfacecomplex 😂

@bananaemon2339 Күн бұрын

Jojo's Bizarre Drumming Adventure !! 😎 Exploring and pushing the limits ! 💪💪 Thank you man 🙏

@pastadrums 2 күн бұрын

I would love for JOJO to release this close loop thing. I would love to just play to myself like this!

@Bsloga 6 күн бұрын

So refreshing and hopeful. He is a modern musical giant and innovator. Fantastic and inspiring.

@SaS-Music 6 күн бұрын

JoJo “Gadget” Mayer.

@bibliotecacentralutnfra1338 7 күн бұрын

JOJO is the Nicola Tesla of drums.

@AroCaceresdrums 6 күн бұрын

excelente !

@Purplepenpeople 5 күн бұрын

Relax.

@mktfree Күн бұрын

Ándale

@fess04 6 күн бұрын

keep exploring Jojo. fantastic. drumming is a language and this has new implications for language and action.

@universalmeditation8631 3 күн бұрын

I’ve respected JOJO since the 80s and this video explains why! ❤

@yurysverdlov2935 3 күн бұрын

Jojo is extremely insightful. Thank you for filming this!

@juanmanuelpache381 6 күн бұрын

Incredible JoJo! Thanks for giving this! Greeting from Argentina 🇦🇷🥁

@rudedoc 6 күн бұрын

I appreciate Jojo's thoughts and ideas on creativity much more than I do his current musical output. It feels like the music and performance is now only a guide or a tool that allows him to examine his theories and philosophies on creativity and original thought and I kind of like this.

@swissinfo 3 күн бұрын

Thank you for watching, glad to hear you liked it!

@jasonhobaugh 5 күн бұрын

Please get this amazing concept to market! ❤

@DrumTipTuesday 6 күн бұрын

This is fantastic! You are always so imaginative

@karenush388 Күн бұрын

Wow! Fantastic idea! 22 century ❤

@alonzovillarreal4666 3 күн бұрын

This man is always so innovative

@k.f.241 6 күн бұрын

Unbelievable! Best wishes from Croatia guys 🎉

@fredrikh3547 5 күн бұрын

Such a fantastic drummer, Mr Mayer. A pleasure to hear and behold.

@AardvaarkTonto 7 күн бұрын

Go to Liverpool and see Paul Kappa on Saturday at the Cavern Pub. 5 hours no break, no rehearsal, live learn it on the fly band. Secret legends.

@MIDIPipe Күн бұрын

Thanks You Very Maestr@s For Sharing These Investigations. I am so, so glad to be alive in this exciting part of the human era...

@maurice_drums 6 күн бұрын

Wow, so suprised about how Jojo Mayer and I‘m from Switzerland! Crazy guy and just so interesting documentary, this was really interesting and inspiring. Thank you!

@afrigal2420 6 күн бұрын

still love your work!!

@nyla3979 6 күн бұрын

Truly next level !!

@Santiagoperroud_music 6 күн бұрын

This is the future thank you again JOJO !

@RainerSteffenHain 3 күн бұрын

If this is the future I will stop listening to new music.

@jordanwarne911 7 күн бұрын

Awesome ! 🥁🥁🥁

@RainerSteffenHain 3 күн бұрын

No, it has hurt my eyes and also my ears.

@Neverokful 5 күн бұрын

Very cool!

@MauryaChannel01 19 сағат бұрын

it doesnt surprises me at all ! That Jojo is already looking into the future with these technologies, soon enough we all will be studying what has explored, just like we do right now

@CurtisMichelson-dk6ho 5 күн бұрын

This looks to be the highest/best for artists to interface with AI, not only for music but all forms of expression. Thank you JoJo for spending your covid downtime in such a productive way!❤

@GerardoSolnie 9 сағат бұрын

Jojo thinks that the opportunistic spirit of the Swiss is not the best for developing art. I can add a thought to that: being close to death makes you feel more alive but more stressed However, I must say that the peace and organization in Switzerland is admirable, and many musicians, including myself, are very grateful to Switzerland and its festivals, such as the Montreux Festival, which opened my mind to making music around the world. The care and attention of the Swiss made me feel very good! I am grateful to Switzerland and the Swiss for what they have given me. 🙌🏻❤️🇨🇭✨✨

@GerardoSolnie 9 сағат бұрын

As a token of our gratitude to the Swiss and the beautiful city of Bern, we have composed this song. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/r7Kqa6R528myhHk.htmlsi=n4sClPnRZegeN40U

@ericwilhelm2941 4 күн бұрын

I think i said that before somewhere, Jojo ist ein Philosoph A great great THINKER and Innovator. we are very lucky to live at this time with him speaking his great Mind. and yes, a true Baddass am Schlagzeug!!!

@romaneberle 5 күн бұрын

Jojo Mayer is just great. :)

@johnnhello4913 7 күн бұрын

Awesome

@grooverbc Күн бұрын

Danke für inspierierenden Gedanken - Philosophy in motion

@Dmz248 2 сағат бұрын

How does he capture the sound to feed it? I'm assuming a room mic that gathers all or just kick and snare? How is it processed before being fed into the model? If it's raw audio how damn strong does his machine have to be to do it live, in real time on stage with little to no latency?!?! Is there an actual LLM-like model involved or is that just randomized reactions to triggers??? So many questions. As a drummer who dabbles in data science i'm baffled, amused, shocked, excided and worried all at the same time. Mad scientist of the drum world, hats off, Jojo!

@mazetoeden9334 5 күн бұрын

Jojo is awesome

@JohnnyCarterMusicOfficial 4 күн бұрын

the dude is an evil mad scientist for drums 😅 -been watching jojo for 15 years, super happy that he's still in good health and still playing !!

@sobrehombre9338 9 күн бұрын

Yes!!

@soulproprietor 6 күн бұрын

Once they teach the robots to play drums with the technique, feel, musicality and inventiveness of players like Jojo Mayer, it's pretty much over. But it could also go a different way... basic run-of-the-mill "sonic wallpaper" type of music could become even more common and uninteresting --- while in-person experiences of humans making music by hand in real time will become less common and more valued. Who knows???

@creativephilo 6 күн бұрын

This is the only way I can find hope. People like JoJo Mayer will hopefully become ignored as people get back to organic creativity with other humans.

@ianchui7711 6 күн бұрын

He is so innovative ❤

@RainerSteffenHain 3 күн бұрын

The dehumanization of music is not innovative!

@lajeanette33 5 күн бұрын

I hope it gets available for other drummers soon.

@IkeFarI 6 күн бұрын

I loved to hear him talking ! As a drummer myself, it’s very interesting ! However, I think with his AI tools that follows his playing automatically. It could sound a bit less electronic or like EDM. But I guess that’s his will.

@flyagaric23 3 сағат бұрын

The human breakbeat trip wizard just keeps on giving...

@ginobanksofficial 3 күн бұрын

Epic

@kreisformch 7 күн бұрын

🔥

@SaintMont 6 күн бұрын

He is always thinking outside of the box. I loved the full interview but can you upload the performance of "I machine"? I think he called that way.

@swissinfo 3 күн бұрын

You probably mean the name of his project "Me/Machine"? He's still touring with it so you might be able to catch one of the live performances!

@bromasi Күн бұрын

NICE❤️

@bumsibar6163 6 күн бұрын

Thanks for that. Both words and drumming couldnt resonate with more with me. Like a future Tony Williams and the cultural theorist Mark Fisher who wrote a long time ago that the 21st century will be reliving the ideas of the 20th century, but in hi definition. The way we experience artistic time periods is dying as we speak,” explains the video’s narrator. “In our current state of this new postmodern social existence that we see in the West, historicity is gone. The way we interact and experience time is starting to fade away into a confused jumbled mess of aesthetic chaos.” Also useful how he programmed himself his very own Tim Lefebvre. Jojo Mayer: What a beautiful human being

@beckmillan 6 күн бұрын

The future is now.

@RochusKeller 6 күн бұрын

Cool. How did he actually do it? What is "the machine"? Is it just a program on the laptop? Did he write it himself? From scratch, or which building blocks did he use?

@jorgemarcos3771 6 күн бұрын

Exactly! Does anyone have any info on this???

@Reversed82 3 күн бұрын

it looks and sounds like what he's actually performing on is probably some max4live device or rack in ableton live that he came up with. generative patches aren't really something new in any modern DAW, but combining it with live drum signals as an input is untypical but not unrealistic. could be that there's more to it but that's exactly what it sounds like in those short snippets. not sure about how it "follows" his playing in terms of time signatures, though "following" kind of implies that it's just matching a tempo and follows sequences because it just repeats the rhythm on the input so he can vary but repeat a sequence and it will seem like the processing is "following" his rhythm. what would be more interesting is if it anticipated certain changes, but i'd guess that's not something that's doable right now.

@RochusKeller 3 күн бұрын

@@Reversed82 Thanks; so it's not really based on deep neural networks - as I supposed from the interview - but rather conventional algorithms.

@Reversed82 2 күн бұрын

@@RochusKeller i would guess so, it's definitely not impossible to do using conventional technology. i know there are some generative tools in DAWs now that use fancy transformers and stuff but i don't think this does; especially stuff like suno etc. that actually generates an audio signal directly takes way too much compute time to run in this low-latency context. (not saying it's impossible, just that it's unlikely)

@youngtevanced8818 6 күн бұрын

Whoah

@daviewavie112 6 күн бұрын

“Analytical perception of fourth dimensionality, you know what I mean?”

@tommyvizzle Күн бұрын

Anyone know what program he's using?

@dtasoudis 5 күн бұрын

I would propose a duet with Imogen Heap!

@superjaykramer Күн бұрын

What generative software is he using???

@drumbar3790 5 күн бұрын

Where can we buy this app/program?

@swissinfo 3 күн бұрын

He created it by himself. But as he said in the interview, it's still a work in progress, so it'll probably still take a while before it gets to the market (if at all).

@mattdrums8341 13 сағат бұрын

Classic. This from a man arrogant and empathyless enough to say to my then 14 year old pupil when we told him my pupil was entering a Roland drumkit playing competition "huh, those kits are just a glorified drum pad". If he's been like he was with my pupil with the musicians he's played with, no wonder he's left to play with a heartless feel-less machine. What's more all the techniques he claims as his own aren't "push pull", they're from a long lineage of great players starting with Moeller and tap dancers. I was around at the start of the rave generation, he was also not the first drummer to play drum and bass/electronica music. I'm not jealous, he's a great player, he's just not very nice especially to kids in my experience.

@TehSyneS 5 күн бұрын

Ableton drummer made max for live devices for this, youtube him.

@nnnbbb2148 6 күн бұрын

Apart from being a great drummer and musician this guy is also a philosopher.

@RainerSteffenHain 3 күн бұрын

...now going to dehumanize music.

@Pure_KodiakWILD_Power 6 күн бұрын

It's still a closed loop with the same feel, not able to flow into different yet intuitive directions like actual musicians can.

@graymccarthy685 6 күн бұрын

The Bays (Andy Gangadeen) have just announced a London show where Tom Middleton (Global Communication) will act as an ‘AI moderator’. This human/AI moderator may bridge this gap into pushing the music in different directions.

@alibardgett1493 6 күн бұрын

Always pushing the boundaries! Creativity is limitless for Jojo 😎🥁🎶

@daniel_fa 7 күн бұрын

🎮🥁🔥

6 күн бұрын

Esa máquina es una buena fumada

@pedrummer 4 күн бұрын

That's until H.A.L. comes along... Terminator 2, anyone?

@russellzauner 6 күн бұрын

need to get Jojo and Imogene (Heap) together

@jonathonawarnberg 6 күн бұрын

I live in a rural town where there are nearly no other musicians. I can't wait until I see the day that I can improvise with AI in real time.

@swissinfo 3 күн бұрын

Interesting example of problem solving - how much time are you investing now to meet up with other musicians outside of your rural town?

@jonathonawarnberg 3 күн бұрын

@@swissinfo It's not possible for me. I'm disabled and don't drive.

@TR-707 5 күн бұрын

Ableton Live detected

@perecanyelles6469 6 күн бұрын

U need to play with Björk

@santiagoarias50 8 сағат бұрын

12:18 wild NPCs spotted in nature.

@Craiger522 6 күн бұрын

This would be soooo much more listenable and entertaining without the computer generated stuff. AI at this point has no soul.

@pongmaster123 6 күн бұрын

super - wie immer! trotz mumble-interviewer...

@RainerSteffenHain 3 күн бұрын

Entmenschlichung der Musik.

@creativephilo 6 күн бұрын

Not impressed. Just another technocratic ego trying to get attention for himself as he contributes to the extermination of humans in art.

@hadror13 5 күн бұрын

There's no "extermination of humans in art" taking place. This is a new and evolving technology. Human technology. Musicians were always at the forefront of technological innovation and human inspired artistic expression interfaces (ie musical instruments).. This is another tool for artists that expands their expression capabilities

@creativephilo 5 күн бұрын

@@hadror13 Ah right, the tired old "AI is just another tool" argument. This whole video is all about human replacement. And it's awful. Believe what you will.

@RainerSteffenHain 3 күн бұрын

@@hadror13 It's simply the dehumanization of Music!

@garridoentertainmenttv9615 3 күн бұрын

@@RainerSteffenHainI absolutely agree with you!!

@rv-sx4tw 6 күн бұрын

Would soon get bored of that; not much different to a Roland electric kit, playing to the supplied tracks. Well, that’s what it sounded like. He said he was changing time sig but he was careful not to say he’s changing tempo, cos it didn’t, it was all 16ths equal 16ths. Same bass line, same key. But keep it up and you’ll put yourself (and many others) out of a job, with this sterile manufactured ‘music’. Really, it’s useless.

@RainerSteffenHain 3 күн бұрын

Of course, Mr. Mayer is a great drummer. But: Mr. Mayer really doesn't look healthy. Maybe that's because of the way he makes music? I think what he's demonstrating in the video is pure dehumanization of music. Sorry to say that, but that's how I feel about it...