I’ve been watching old episodes of the show recently. Mady was mean to all of her siblings but I think Collin was treated the worst by her. I don’t get why Collin was the black sheep and still is.

She's Kate Jr.

Maddie was mean to her sibblings. abusive? she was a little girl, I definitely hit my brother when I was a child, most kids do shit like that.

@@junejunejuniejune but shes grown now and still acts like that it’s sad! She hasn’t seen her brother in so long to say he was abusive and saying hate speech, when she was always beating up and threatening all her sibling when they were younger she takes no accountability for what she’s done in the past but yet Collin gets crucified for something he did, when he was even younger than her is crazy! To take no notice about what their mother did to their brother just sent him away out of site out of mind and not see something wrong with that?

@@junejunejuniejuneShe went above and beyond the typical sibling spats. What I remember about her is how bratty she was all the time. She made the other kids look like saints.

I was sent to a program when I was 15. I was in it until I aged out. No one visited me once.

@@januarybabyI am so sorry that happened to you. I had a friend that was in a similar situation. The only visits she had were from my family. I hope that you are doing well despite having gone through that. Wish you the best!

She’s a narcissist

​@@januarybabyYou weren't parented. You were pawned off on other people who probably weren't even qualified smh. That's a damn shame.

Sadly many parents are convinced that those places are the only way to save your child from ending up in the system. He likely had behavior issues that did need treatment and sadly after the 1st few "treatments" don't work and the school is having issues and parents are stressed out these places swoop in to "help" and promise they will get your kid back on track and "fixed" all while actually only caring about the funding the children bring in. These places are known for mistreating children in the name of money and it is shocking how many parents fall into their traps. The more troubled the child is the more money they get. They also discourage visitation and tell you that visiting messes with your child's "progress" or disrupts the progress they have made or they will tell you after a visit that it caused a meltdown or your child had a terrible reaction and dissuade you from visiting as much. They limit and monitor phones letters etc. I am not saying Kate nor John nor Collin is the "issue" none of us know that because none of us lived their lives. We saw a few minutes of heavily edited footage from hours and hours of tape. It is gross how this is being made public. These kids need therapy not interviews.

Right!? Makes Kate look stupid.

so so true- I watch this and have nothing but contempt for the mom- class act C u next Tuesday

Very true. They're young and brainwashed by Kate, but I have a feeling that one day they will see the truth, and reconnect with Collin and their father. Kate's lies will all crumble eventually; it always works that way. Hopefully Maddie will come around, she seems to have inherited her mother's traits.

I know my heart breaks for Jon ! But is kids are adults they have to make that choice

Yes!! He wanted to live with his dad so she should have let him. She sent him away so she wouldn’t get sued by TLC. It’s sick for a mother to do that to her own son.

Again it was to keep the show going and she knew that Jon would listen to Colin and he would have her investigated and she wouldn't have a show for all the bad PR

Exactly!! Most people would think to do that first. Have a child go live with the other parent if the parents don’t live together and things are not working out in one parents household. But what does this crazy b***h do instead?? Basically makes up a diagnosis for her son and sends him away to a place where she should go herself honestly, not Collin! After what happened to Collin, I lost all respect I ever had for her!

What I have read is TLC had a lot to do with what transpired, they had an image they wanted to keep for the show, they paid for the lawyers and I believe they helped with having Colin admitted, I will never understand how a mother can single out & do what she did to her child for money, absolutely disgusting..

​Women like Kate who give birth do it for APPREANCE sake. She does what LOOKS good,not what's best. She ALWAYS PICKED on Colin, I felt she was a complete terror once those cameras were off. A raging bitch. She definitely had her favorite kids, and she bullied poor Jon until he was a BROKEN SHELL of a man/dad/person. He looked exhausted of her.

I couldn’t have written that better myself she has alienated her own family from these kids, and you nailed it with Mady I always thought she was exactly like her mother with her snotty answers whenever she was being interviewed on any talk show.

Her daughter, she can raise her how she want

@@Dr.Pepperlady you are correct that bad people can raise their kids anyway they want to (within the law)

Mady has always been bratty, even when she was really young, so not surprised.

@@Dr.Pepperlady True. But it's a shame she chose to raise Mady in her own image. Because Kate is gross.

Right Jon isn't perfect, but who is? As long as a parent isn't abusive (and clearly he's not done he rescued the actually abused and abandoned child, and the kindest of the sextuplets Hannah chooses to live with him...) a parent has the right to do their imperfect best for their kids.

​@@naturallyamusedexactly

KATE was THE VERY FIRST KAREN! She treated her husband and kids like CRAP! SHE CLEARLY HAD HER favorite children. I HATE WHEN MOTHERS DO THIS & TURN SIBS AGAINST EACH OTHER. Kate ALWAYS HAD "BITCH " vibes.

What a heartbreaker.

I agree w you on all of it. Except I thought that Jon didn’t pay for anything after he left. Because he couldn’t. Child support for that many kids, and no job was impossible. I thought that was part of their divorce? That she was going to take the kids and their home, and he could walk away w no clue support, and also no visitation. Maybe I’m wrong. That’s just what I remember from back then? I thought he didn’t pay for any schooling and or Child Support. And that’s what gave Kate so much leverage over him. She could say…..you don’t pay, so you don’t get a say. On anything. She even moved out of the state w all their children, for away from the dad. Only because he wasn’t paying child support, she felt she could do whatever she “needed” to do.

Thank you someone who can clearly see I thought was just me,what else can he do, at this point it's up to the kids,we don't know if Kate has threatened them by saying they won't get there money for being on the show with her if they choose to rekindle a relationship with their father.

I’m not surprised that Kate is still an angry, bitter, vengeful and jealous woman, who will do whatever it takes to continue to make Jon pay for him being caught by the paparazzi, of him cheating on her with another woman in a car. Jon said that Kate cheated on him too with a crew member from their show “Jon and Kate make 8”. I’m not surprised that Kate commits more sins than Jon did. I’m not surprised that Kate gets away with murder for her sins and evil doings to Jon and kids who want to be with their dad, not her, because she knows how to do CYA (cover your ass!).

I completely agree Jon has made mistakes but Kate has been far worse in all of this IMO I think it started with their show. Kate has been rude, obnoxious, controlling, and treated Jon, the kids, and others around her like crap. The way she spoke to him during every one of their episodes made me sick 🤢🤮it’s no wonder they got divorced and I’m surprised their marriage lasted as long as it did.

@@marwatson7408 FARRRRRRRR worse.

@@Peach_106 And to think at one time she was a nurse if she treated her family like I can only imagine how she treated her patients. I would’ve loved to be a fly on the wall to see what her co- workers where saying about her.

Well we know that Kate is one gonna have to give an account for that. When she stands before God, I know he’s gonna say “depart from me, I never knew you”

And the gag order she had on him for a decade

Didn’t Kate raise these kids on her own? Wasn’t John the one that went off and cheated on her?

@@HH-gv8mxSince his gag order has been released, watch the episode where he talks about this with Doctor Oz. He was already separated and divorcing Kate for almost a full year but TLC made them finish up episodes pretending they were still married! She played it up to make herself to be the primary victim cause it helped with ratings to showcase him as the “cheater.”

Reach out to your children. You don't have to forgive Kate, but just let them know you love them and want to be a part of their lives.

You have a really good point, Maddy was always throwing a fit about something, she actually acted just like her wicked mother !

@@eccentricityxoxo5378 yeah but that’s when she was a kid. We’re talking about a now 22 year old women.

@@cameronbooker7741I doubt Maddy wrote it, it was Kate and cuz she brainwashed under Kate she agreed to it.

Mady is worse than Kate in some ways, and a twin of Kate in her manner and such..to come at your brother like that is terrible, at least it wasn't one of the septuplets...the animal abuse claim though is intriguing due to the fact they had a dog that Kate returned at one point and I wondered what really happened..

Yep

like TOO MANY kids the same age

They made it public with the show.

It happening at all his disappointing. I not behind Don't talk about family issues. Toxic people should be called out. But it is heartbreaking that this people made all these kids and the oldest two were cut off from their siblings.

It’s messed up the only way they can get a message out to their family is through the media. Kate is evil

It has to be public. The other children ignore him and won’t reach out and talk to him.

this family doesn’t know any other way these kids lives have been pubic since day one

Exactly! I didn't end well with my daughter's father but I purposed in my heart not to isolate her from him. She would see the truth one day. At 25, she definitely has now but the damage isn't as bad. She still talks to him but just has to adjust to his particular ways. Kate obviously poured venom into those kids against him.....which she should have never done.

Yes if you are not in their team you are the enemy! Stop parental alienation

The kids have. She had many very young children. She had to have every minute accounted for. She, with everything that there was to do, still did vacations, parties, etc. She didn't need her husband walking around in a state of confusion like another child to take care of. She, and the children, most especially didn't need him abandoning all of them for the babysitter. Wake up.

@@sjg5994 I refused to speak anything bad or negative, even if it was the truth, about my sons father. I encouraged my son and his father to have that father and son relationship, after I thought it was safe to. My son figured things out on his own. Loves his father but he doesn’t agree with how his father handles things and never accepts accountability for things he says and does. It’s hurtful to see the pain he goes through at times and his siblings from his fathers side, but he formed his opinions on his own based on the behaviors and words of his father.

This! Who sends their 10y/o away to a mental health facility twice? Kate said he had “special needs” like he was a disabled child who needed more medical care than she could provide. She actually wanted to get rid of him. How is it that Jon gets custody and he’s fine. No kid is perfect, but if there is any mental illness, she made she she gave it to him.

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Yes, prayer does work

Oh my god. Do some RESEARCH. Sorry for him? He is a scam artist trying to make cash for interviews again. He is about as much as a father figure as Jeffrey Epstein

They never will with Kate and her evil ways. She is the only one who isn't able to move on with her life. She use those babies to hurt their family. Kate need therapy

This family fell apart 10 years ago. The children are just now all old enough to speak freely.

The kids are all adults now so if they want to have a relationship with each other they can.

They are still suffering from the indoctrination and poisoning that their mother inflicted on them. It will be many years and lots of therapists dollars for them to extricate themselves from the influence of Kates narcissistic personality disorder.@@paulan7218

Yesss with that Haircut!! Karen definition & all came from her…. UNFORTUNATELY

The term should have been “Kate” not “Karen” would have been more fitting “omg she’s being a kate!” 😂

@@IEXOTICBEAUTY Let's change it, from now on ALL KARENS will now be called a " KATE" . It'll be FETCH! 😁🤣

@@IwaanuhReel 😂🤣😂

@@IwaanuhReel girl she is the OG Goat

Jon took off and left that lady with all those kids while he found himself and offered his kids zero financial support.

@@user-qu6wi3hu8foh please dude, those kids were content money makers for her snd she used them as such. She’s a true narcissist. The OG Karen. He didn’t have a prayer at any kind of custody of his kids then.

@@user-qu6wi3hu8f Actually, manipulative Kate had a spat and kicked John out of the house but told him to pretend they were still together during filming for the sake of show ratings, and then many weeks later, a single John started up with his affair. And then Kate played the abandoned wife when the press caught John with the mistress.

@@stugrant01 Even if all that was true what stopped him from financially supporting his children?

100000000% couldn’t agree more. You could see it on the show while growing up

I’ve been reading it and I’m shocked. But I’m sure it’s true. Kate is a typical narcissist and if you don’t accept her agenda she doesn’t need you in her life and doesn’t want you in her kids lives either. Why do you think her whole family doesn’t talk to her? Because they were concerned about what filming was doing to the kids and she didn’t want to stop because then she would have to go out and get a “real” job and Kate didn’t want to work. Knowing that filming wasn’t in the best interest of the kids and her continuing to do it is not being a good mom at all. The kids are grown now and are going to college so there’s no reason why she can’t get a real job off tv.

how will she make money with her kids as adults?

Hi could u tell me what the book is called please

The book is Kate Gosselin: How she fooled the world by Robert Hoffman.

@tothebooks9993 thank you ile definitely be buying this

Yesss! I said the same thing! My father was a absentee father as well. He left when I was 3 yrs old. He did reach out a couple of times through other people. It was such a lame attempt that I never forgave him. If he had tried harder and gave more effort I definitely would of opened up my heart. But sadly this never happened and he has since passed away

That’s right. Never give up. Never. I feel for him because Kate clearly alienated him and used the kids as pawns. Adult children still want their parents to seek them.

Hard to be there when they have been BRAINWASHED!

He’s tried so many damn times. He’s sent them texts, messages, etc but they all ignore him. Kate has done incredible damage to make sure John is the villain in the story. He keeps trying and trying. And he’ll keep trying. Until those kids see what’s happened to Collin and actually hear out Hannah maybe, nothing can change. Kate has a death grip on them.

Naw once your grown and still not responding, it’s time for the KID TO DECIDE WHEN THEIR READY!! He can’t do anything until they are ready to talk. ITS BEEN YEARS OF REACHING OUT WITH NO RESPONSE! It’s not healthy for him to keep reaching out

Keep your thoughts private

Because his children have been brainwashed against him, and the only way he can possibly try to reach out to his children is through the media because they won’t take his phone calls because of Kate bull crap

The world needs to know who she really is

He could’ve been consistent to show them, that it wasn’t true if that’s what she did. Him giving up looks like she had reason for thinking he was no good.

Jon never gave up.

@@YA-jf6nhHe not giving up he legit tried millions of times still is but they are brainwashed and Kate is too powerful

@@YA-jf6nhhe never gave him. He has been trying and continues to every single holiday, every year all the time and they do not respond to anything.

Manipulation and brainwashing are such a real thing in this situation. She could also be painting a picture that he did all these horrible things and they believed her. There are so many variables we may never know 😔

Kate is a narcissist. It’s evident. That’s the reason this family imploded.

She’s a professional narcissist and manipulator.

She’s her mothers flying monkey

We have Kate's side for years.

Actually there's 3 sides to every story. Her side, His side and the Truth!! Realistically nobody will ever know the actual truth!! Such a heartbreaking story all around!!❤🇨🇦❤🇨🇦❤

Talking about yourself.

You ought to tell that to Kate.

@@LaraCroftEyes1 🤦🏻‍♀️ that’s exactly the point. Who cares who said what. Just be a bigger person and stop playing these games with eachother. Just make a statement that you are an adult and have better things to do then blame eachother for the past and just worry about being a good parent now.

Oh god she was just abusive! I remember feeling so bad for Jon like she’s having a bad day, stressed, spilled her drink? Go use Jon as a punching bag and blame the out burst as his fault over some ridiculous reason. She snapped at him once when they were sitting doing a interview and just snapped at him belittling him for NO REASON then blames it that he was “breathing too hard in her ear”?! Like no honey he wasn’t wanna check the camera?! And she wasn’t always gentle with the kids I remember him looking so defeated and embarrassed cause it was happening not just in front of the camera crew but on camera too! She alienated those kids not just from their dad but each other, bet she has a me vs them mentality when the kids shouldn’t feel like they’ll get backlash from Kate if they want a relationship with their dad & siblings

Kate or Maddy

This saint of a dad CONTINUES to go on national TV to exploit his children. Ya'll are nuts for not seeing that he isn't much better than Kate. Seriously take a step back and think about it. Why is this man on TV constantly airing this shit out? He is responsible for exploiting his kids for YEARS, right alongside Kate. And then when his kids end up messed up because of the abuse....he goes on TV to slam them and share the family drama and division. It is truly sick.

@@amenenema474 you know what, thank you for helping me take a step back because your option is valid and I do agree with everything you said dude... truly

Ever heard of parental alienation who Kate has done since 2009

​@@LaraCroftEyes1this right here

Maybe cuz Kate brutally/verbally alienates him.. THEY need Jesus!

Jon is banned from seeing them how tf can he see kids he doesn’t have custody of and or won’t contact him He can’t force them They’re Kates little minions now and he can’t change that

No, think again.