You sound like one of those people that has a shelf full of cool rocks and thinks you’re special because you’re willing to do psychedelics

Mxrvxn Vxllvnuxvx Same here, it bugs me other athiests are so quick to dismiss these arguements. Its like they hear anything to do with drugs, spirituality and conciousness and they think they know it all already

Could you maybe please tell me what kind? It's something I've heard about long ago, but I've never met anyone who has had this experience.

you forgot, because you were high, that you actually had watched this during your trip. Haaha

Also an atheist, but never really believed in the "religion as a bug" idea. It is true though that going to raves and doing MDMA, having psychedelic trips, and practicing mindfulness, really made me understand it more on a intuitive level.

@@zxyatiywariii8 Any classical psychedelic (LSD, psilocybin mushrooms and truffels, mescaline cactuses, ayahuasca or synthetic DMT) can give you those experiences, though they can differ in specifics. Some non-psychedelic drugs can also give you a feeling of transcendence (like MDMA), but often without a deeper sense of "being one with the universe", but more in a "everyone around me is a beautiful human being and I feel connected with them" way. If you're interested in trying psychedelics (or any other drug), I'd advice you to do some desk research first (set and setting are really important, as is dosage) and depending on were you live, be cautious in buying the substance (maybe invest in a test kit for the particular substance).

Is it actually possible beyond placebo? Maybe the best we can do is to transcend the individual into the group and beyond that it only becomes the mind convincing itself it's detached from earthly attachments when it's really trying to ignored them. Asking for a friend

@@giveamanafish2324 In all honesty I have absolutely no idea if it is possible (I didn't have an idea 9 years ago either) - Also as an Atheist and a Chemist my personal views on things like religion (which I don't really get), spirituality (which I kinda get since I've read the Musaeum Hermeticum and the Theatrum chemicum) and transcendence (of which I have a pretty transhumanism-influenced view) are rather simple - but it's weird that (at least some) of my views haven't changed a bit in 9 years, that was one blast from the past, thx! :D

I agree. That's what I think about the afterlife. Clinging on to earthly materials prevents our consciousness from passing on to higher dimensions.

There's a big connection there I agree :D If you can see truth in both the positive and the negative you can willfully choose the positive without condemning the negative. Positivity facilitates communication which in turn facilitates cooperation.

Is survival not enough?

Sorry to be off topic but does any of you know of a method to get back into an Instagram account? I was dumb forgot my login password. I appreciate any tricks you can offer me

@Andre Jaxon Instablaster :)

@Mayson Damian Thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site thru google and im waiting for the hacking stuff atm. Takes a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

@Mayson Damian it did the trick and I actually got access to my account again. I am so happy:D Thanks so much, you saved my account!

@Andre Jaxon No problem :D

Martin Butler?

I agree, 6 years later

I wish the internet had more comments like these

Couldn't have said it any better!

you need to consider that you may not understand the answer. Christ is the only way to the light. I am just telling you this fact, because I have found it. No desire but for you to be happy. In the example and hope of life. If you haven't seen it, you didn't listen. Read Jesus words and life with your full mind. And find what is needed to have meaning.

@Corvus Morve I pretty-much agree with what you said. But if with the help of new technologies, for example, institutions could help our society figure out a way to do so efficiently, it could become part of the new balance.

@Corvus Morve Exactly! Although I would admit that the state of "enlightenment" achieved by second-hand knowledge might not be as consistent without real experiences of struggles, something is definitely better than nothing.

@@Jamie-Russell-CME boo looser

Instagram, fakebook & co = pure MASS media. What do you expect of them ? Really i n t e l l i g e n t folks will l e a v e them soon . . . And the most intelligent never tried them at all . . .

He's like a nerdy cross between George Clooney and Jay Leno with Winnie the Pooh's voice.

@@andrewdussault2315 Wow, somehow that is spot on! 💯

Exactly my though. He was probably very frustrated

Yeah, Pinker totally destroyed group selection in his Edge article. I wonder why Haidt is so attached to the idea. We can make sense of groupishness without group selection

Haidt has done ground breaking work in the study of social psychology that is, as far as we are capable of, unbiased. Pinker is also responsible for exceptional work. i agree that you should question what makes Haidt grasp so tightly to these ideas, but a good psychoanalyst would also question why Pinker grasps so tightly to his ideas. what is one in support of? what does it allow you to deny or be against? what are your motivations? etc...

there is non "levels" in evolution. this is just another stretegy to survive, acceptable as any other meanwhile it works..to survive.

Then we will be taken over by artificial intelligence and robots, don't you think?

The staircase going down is ritualized negativity. It's anti-group pro-self, it's armoring up under the unbreathable shell of ego.

Which does not, BTW vitiate his essential point that we are capable and well adapted to extraordinary feats of cooperation. Its just not by group selection.

michalchik it seems that to me that this argument can go in circles. You can argue that collective punishment and reciprocal altruism are mechanisms evolved to promote group selection. They both promote group fitness as the 'in group' survives. So how can you go about making the distinction of individual versus group fitness, when one promotes the other. Functionally religion can act as a signifier that brings social cohesion within a community but also through differentiating 'us' vs 'them', which is also why religion on the whole is costly. A costly signal indicates the reliable intentions of an individual. So my argument against your interesting point is why else would we have these mechanisms if not to ensure group and individual selection?

thekarmaslap Its hard to really make this issue clear until you get into the math of group selection versus individual types of selection that help the group, but the dynamics are fundamentally different as are the conclusions. For example, if group select was the main driving force of human evolution we are basically screwed, because our civilization does not have separate, genetically sealed groups that compete with eachother and then reproduce. Our only best hope for prosocial behavior to last against parasitic sociopathy is to fracture our society into genetically sealed groups that compete for dominance. Drive other groups to extinction and then grow and split into new groups. If the other elements of fishers equation are in play we can have a variety of complex interconnected societies that still weed out parasites and antisocial individuals though exactly how we do that depends on other parameters like the stability of family, pressures of cultural conformity, tolerance for certain behaviors, how hierachical we are... I seriously doubt though, that even with other strong factors that punish free riders and reward altruism in play, group selection ever was or ever will be a major factor because it established fact that humans have a very strong drive to out breed and seek mates from other groups. Every culture has some mechanism to do this. With this much genetic mixing selective forces at the level of groups have no ability to create evolution.

michalchik I am researching this topic at the moment so by no means do I think I am an expert just trying to understand it all a bit more. I dont think that group selection is the main driving force of human evolution, I think natural selection and interaction with environment and other species is, which cause adaptations. My argument was mainly focused on the evolution of religion. So if religion was an adaptation it would have to be strongly linked with group selection as it would play a larger role than individual selection because of its costs and the fact that it produces social solidarity, enforces co-operation and so on. The issue I am struggling most with is whether religion evolved as an adaptation or whether it is a by product, spandrel. My opinion is that it was initially a byproduct and then adapted through group selection and other mechanisms as a means of being beneficial to society. What do you think?

thekarmaslap If your math is solid, i can give you a good reference to look at.

Is that who these whiners are? was trying to figure out their gripe

railander haha I came here as an individualist liberal who recently awoke to the fact that we have to compromise with conservatives on certain points to have a cohesive society. my mind has been somewhat blown of late.

Shadilay Kekistanis, my dude. Im right there with you. It has a lot to do with group psychology, game theory and darwinism. A team who is individualistic and who doesn't participate in the natural rallying around a mascot/symbol and demonization of the competitor, will probably lose against the team that does. Whether it's families, team sports, business, countries, etc. Then there is a level of sportsmanship established, as it's mutually beneficial for the teams to establish these ground rules in order to mitigate risk. These things can be shaking hands after a game, prisoner of war treatment, not trying to take out a quarterbacks knees, or not hiding among civilian populations as a combatant. These sportsmanship 'rules' are self regulated by the community of teams, who will shun the bad team (no one wants 8 v 1), or just by understanding that if you break the rules then the enemy has free reign to break the rules on you, so it's better not to break them for both reasons. The problem with current warfare with guerrillas and terrorists, is that they break the rules, but they aren't punished for not following the sportsmanship rules(geneva convention). If a football team can get away with targeting a QBs knees, they'll keep doing it - it has strategic benefit. If combatants are doing things like using civilians as shields, not wearing uniform, ect, and they aren't being punished, then no one will be incentivized to follow RoE. If RoE and punishment/benefit is strictly enforced, then you'd see more revolutions following those codes as to avoid death, torture, international intervention and to be treated less harshly if they lose.

+Shadilay Kekistanis If our view is correct, Nationalists will out-compete globalists. It's less so of a debate on 'what is right' and more so of a debate of 'what will work.' Us and SJWs don't see eye to eye on this because SJWs deny basic human nature and group psychology in favor of marxist sociology, so the debate never even goes into that realm that is constructive. I don't talk to SJWs anymore, because it's a waste of time. Just classical liberals, conservatives, traditionalists, etc. The main issue is making sure America turn around from Globalism, because we don't want to be a loser. Let some European countries go globalism and wait for them to fail and then show the SJWs why they are stupid in real time. That is the only hope. The idea of globalism won't die by debate, it'll have to eat a few countries first. We just don't want one of those countries to be America. That is all.

Basekitball well I'm in Australia and just started an Arts degree. It is all predicated on Marxist sociology and there is no room to challenge it. I try every day and I won't stop because I think it is imperative to expose my fellow students to different ideas. We only really produce resources and services so globalisation is kinda helpful for us but we need to reign it in a little bit to be sustainable.

That's not how belief works. Could you just decide to believe in the flying spaghetti monster? We don't believe because there is no reason to believe.

Look up circular reasoning or "begging the question". Peace.

Let's look at some evidence for the Creator, of the Bible, in the area of science. A new book called Physicians' Untold Stories lists many doctors' reports about divine intervention they have seen in their practice. In one case a woman who had not walked for years, and who was on her death bed from multiple sclerosis. was prayed over. Suddenly the Almighty told her to "Get up and walk." That she did, with the sudden appearance of new muscles in her legs. She is now leading a completely normal, healthy, life. . And there is much, much more... Anyone: When you see the well documented miracles below, if you want to say "Anecdotes", sorry, I can't take you seriously. I'm quite sure that when you get your own medical or doctor reports that you say no such thing. If you can't tell the difference between anecdotes and medical reports, and scientific research, perhaps you should spend some time curled up with a dictionary. . Also, if you want to quote some site that tries to trash the Shroud of Turin, I leave you with a rhetorical Q. Should I listen to people who were never anywhere near the Shroud , or to the team of scientists who examined it and put their findings in peer reviewed science journals, and to the scientist who invented carbon 14 dating who is seen in the vid? (There he can be seen saying that the "medieval age" carbon 14 datings of the Shroud are invalid due to contamination.) That's not a tough decision. . Now in the Bible we are told of a Man Who believed in Adam and Eve and Noah as being actual, historical figures. The Bible says He did miracles and raised the dead and healed the sick. He multiplied food out of nothing. He said we could do even greater things than He did. The Bible also describes His death and burial. Is there any actual scientific data to support those stories? . See secular news reports about Val Thomas, dead for 17 hours but now alive and normal after prayers from her family and her Church. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qbZ4rMakrsqmYY0.html . . See Medical Marvel Beyond Chance, from a secular source, with a pediatrician giving his report. this one attesting to a dying child's healing which cannot be explained by modern medicine, and came after a relative laid hands on her and prayed for her. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jt-bopBmm7Sng6s.html The DNA in every cell in her body was changed. . See CBN's short vid with Dean Braxton. You'll hear his critical care doctor, rated the best patient care doctor in Washington state, saying "It is a miracle...a miracle..." that Braxton is alive, has no brain damage and is normal in every way. Why? He had no heart beat and no respiration for 1 3/4 hours! His family believed in divine healing and they and others were praying for him. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/mZmKnddp15PMfnU.html . Also see CBN Dr. Chauncey Crandall Raises A Man From The Dead. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qZNnjc6dyrLZYas.html Part 1. This video is a bit faded but has the most complete information on this story. . Get Dr. Richard Casdorph's book The Miracles. There he gives medical documentation for miracles, mostly, but not all, from Kathryn Kuhlman's healing services. Casdorph came to Kuhlman's meetings to debunk her but turned into a supporter, as did other doctors. You can see him and other doctors in some of her healing services on YT. (She is now deceased.) Delores Winder is one of the cases documented in his book. You can watch her amazing story on YT with Sid Roth. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ecyUepiU38e5iGQ.html The book The Audacity of Prayer by Don Nordin lists medically documented miracles. . On Andrew Wommack's vids you can see doctors talking about "miracles" too. At the end of the book Don't Limit God you see a medical statement by a doctor saying that his patient used to have M.S. and diabetes but is now cured. . Bruce Van Natta was in a horrific accident where he lost about 80% of his small intestine. Someone he didn't even know was told to get on a plane and lay hands on him and pray for him. His small intestines grew back competely and you can see his doctors testifying to that. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nL-nedSWrailYmw.html . Here we see many witnesses reporting donated food being miraculously multiplied for people who lived in a dump in Juarez. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nd2jqLyKrrCXgps.html . And btw do you think that Someone Who can raise the dead and heal people of deadly "incurable" diseases, Someone Who can make body parts and food out of nothing, Someone Who created time, space, matter, and energy - needed "evolution" to make life forms? No, He created them fully formed and fully functional in 6 days just as Genesis, a Book He always supported, tells you. . Then there is the Shroud of Turin. If you don't know, the Shroud is a blood stained linen burial shroud with the faint image of a crucified man on it. If you have heard that the Shroud was proven to be a Medieval fake based on carbon 14 testing, in the documentary Jesus And The Shroud of Turin you can see the very inventor of carbon 14 testing saying that the sample was invalid due to contamination. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jrqkd8un0MXFp2g.html . The vid demonstrates many miraculous features such as pollen from Jerusalem and faint images of flowers that are found only in the Jerusalem area during the spring, as at Passover when Messiah was crucified. With modern technology we also see that the Shroud has an x ray quality which reveals the bones and dentition of the Man on the Shroud. . In the 70s a NASA scientist noticed the Shroud's photographs had inexplicable, unique in the world, qualities. He got up a team of scientists, called STURP, to examine it in person in Italy. (No, the Shroud is not "just a Catholic thing" as the Vatican only came into stewardship of it fairly recently in history.) They used NASA, and other, high tech equipment with 100s of thousands of hours of research. Their findings are seen all over the net and were published in respected science journals. . The team was composed of 3 Jews, at least one agnostic and one atheist, and people of various faiths. They all agreed on these things: The Shroud image was not painted on, and they have no clue how it got there. It exactly matches, down to blood stains where a crown of thorns would be, the description of Messiah's death and burial as given in the Bible. The image could not be duplicated with modern technology. . About the Shroud I say "If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck, maybe it's a duck." . Maybe that Man on the Shroud is your very Best Friend and Savior. I pray you will find that out. You're going to need a miracle some day friend. They are out there in abundance for those who humbly seek them from their Creator, the One Who made all that DNA out there, and Who said, "Whoever comes to Me I will no way cast out." . It's not about religion. It's about Him. And you.

@demigodzilla Oh yeal, right. Like when medical doctors get on public television and acknowledge a man has had his intestines grow back, and when a prominent emergency physician gets on public t.v. and says that it is a miracle that a man with no heart beat and no respiration for 1 3/4 hours is now normal in every way, those kinds of things should not be taken seriously? But you, who weren't anywhere near there, and no doubt are no way a medical professional, just some anonymous person on YT, should be taken real seriously? Did you have a chance to examine the medical records, question the attending medical staff, the patient or the family? They physicians did,. In great detail, in depth. All those things are on public record and of course the doctors would risk their licenses for making up the outrageous lies you claim they fostered. You, of course, have nothing to lose, as an anonymous poster on YT who had zero to do with those cases. It's hard to see when closed eyes. Delusional and dishonest? Yeal, but who, in what direction?. Welcome to mute as you currently don't want to hear anything that rattles your box.. Open your mind to the truth, or reject it at your own peril. One way or another, though, you can't make the truth go away. You can just miss out on its benefits. Like, forever. Bye!

@@psalm1tree466 shut up. nonsense.

Perhaps a desire to be one with God.

it just pseudo-science propaganda for the militant atheist religion for the globalist elite

Golden thoughts, well, now explain yourself with arguments, oh sorry you can't, you are probably religious

Not sure. Read his books like me