Thanks so much for having me on. This was a lot of fun.

Pageau is one of the only guys out there who has the guts to say the flood was to solve Nephilim problem

Jonathan Peageau converted me from Atheism to Orthodoxy.

This is too good to be true.

"The Garden of Eden was a mountain..." That makes the Tower of Babel make so much more sense!

Honestly Jonathan Pageau's work is just that hidden knowledge that I feel I've been searching for my entire life. That implicit wisdom of which to divulge just brings to surface so many parallels, this man is one of the closest to true wisdom I have ever seen. A modern philosopher. Thank God for his work. Also, I don't think the boys at the Babylon Bee were ready for the bombs and insight Jonathan dropped lol.

Next get on Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick, Rohlin, and other Orthodox people. We're horribly underrepresented on this podcast. So excited for this!

I have learned so much about Traditional Symbolism, The East, and Reality itself from Jonathan. Great Interview bros!

Where he tackles the crazy historico-critical method of approaching Scripture, so that we’re not even reading it any more, but dissecting the origins, is such a good point.

Why so short lol. Man I encourage all Christians and non Christians alike to listen to this. I’m not orthodox myself but find the church very beautiful and have historical roots. What Jonathan talks about here is very relevant with today’s climate and how it relates to stories of the Bible.

This is a great primer to Pageau for the uninitiated.

[Pageau holds forth about liminal symbolism] The Bee: "The Eastern Orthodox Church has really good beards."

As a recent covert to Russian Orthodoxy I loved this. So many people lump us into Roman Catholic and it’s not the same. Thank you for this!

Every time I hear a conversation between an Orthodox Christian and Protestants, I feel even more confident that the Orthodox Church has preserved the fullness of the Christian faith.

One thing I would add to Jonathan's discussion of images: pagan idolatry wasn't just about making the images, but it was actually about giving a god a body to indwell and to act in the world (fertility, good harvest, etc). Genesis 2:7-8 actually flips this process - God creates an image of Himself, places it in a garden, and breathes life into it. For us Orthodox, we don't believe that God or the Saints dwell in the images, but they nevertheless become a tool to make holy people and/or events present to us in the moment.

Two of my faves, the Bee and JP. Jonathan Pageau is always wonderful to listen to. He's so smart and interesting. Also, please have more Eastern Orthodox on!!

Living in a world of constant, mandated carnival is getting extremely old and tiresome.

I subscribed within 20 seconds and liked this video within the first 2 minutes. And now I’m commenting. May the algorithm ever be in your favor. Thanks for making my night.

The people laughing in the background is the best part 🤣

Loved that. So good to have someone so deeply into symbolism who has a whoopie cushion side too! It is a genuine compliment that he likes your work.

Longtime Babylon Bee reader. I actually found out about Babylon Bee from friends at my Orthodox Christian college over a decade ago. I'm so happy to see Jonathan interviewed on this and other channels--he is a clear speaker and always seems to have something interesting to say. Thank God for these speakers gifts and their ability to benefit others! Keep it up with the great speakers!

So affirming (if I can use that word in a positive way) of things I’ve known or felt, thought as I grow in faith. Like growing weary of the non denominational church because I feel trapped in preschool, only offered milk. I’m sitting there thinking I’m ready to go to college, eat meat, play 17 dimensional chess. I’m over learning the alphabet and I need meat, tiddlywinks is no longer a challenge… Thanks for this. A true blessing and encouragement 👊🏼💯🙏🏼🙂

Pageau does a fantastic job showing Protestants some very deep truths embedded in Scripture that they constantly overlook and in effect simultaneously explaining just how much more Scriptural the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox worldviews/liturgies/churches are. Also fascinating how he draws a parallel between monstrosity and the modern obsession with identity deconstruction/re-construction, especially with regard to gender. Not the first person to point out the role of conservative comedy in a world gone crazy, but like that he goes back to the medieval archetype of the king's fool.

That was so excellent! PLEASE have Jonathan as guest on a regular basis. You all jive really well.

That margin as defender of the center is a powerful one, and you see it everywhere once you hear it.

I loved this❤ you to guys coming together is amazing 👏. Both of your channels have given me laughs and hope over the last 18mths which was much needed!! I often check Babylon bee at work (I live in AU, am a protestant converting to Orthodoxy (thanks to Jonathan) humour and beauty is the only thing that has gotten me through!!!!) Thanks for this🥲.

Loved this interview. I’ve listened to Jonathan many times but sometimes got lost. This time I really have a clearer picture. Babylon is great and will follow regularly.

I've been following Jonathan Pageau for years, and I still had to watch this video twice because it had some great insights

A crossover I never knew I wanted. Damn.

Marvel: Infinity War is the most ambitious crossover event in history Me:

Talk about a cross over. Jonathan is great!

I'm watching a recent interview w/Jordan Peterson and Jonathan Pageau and felt compelled to come here. Some might say even... pre-destined to come here.

Pageau's explanation of monsters was just so beautiful.

Please have Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick on to discuss his new book "Arise O God: The Gospel of Christ's Defeat of Demons, Sin and Death".

6:19 Why images are OK 12:07 Symbolism 24:21 Monsters

The Babylon bee has great class throughout. Way to be.

Loved this!

Fascinating interview!

Congrats on 666k subscribers! Epic Babylonian moment

Appreciate guests whom have Judeo Christian based foundation to their lives from all walks of life and educational levels. Those whom do not are well represented everywhere else.

Thankyou for answering questions I've had in mind.

Wow! Just wow! Thank you, guys! 💯👏🏻

Fascinating. This adds so much meat to a lot of my musings. So, I've always been a big fan of like, David Bowie and Alice Cooper. And I've always thought of their antics as being far removed from the Pride people of today. They were the "Circus," the kings fool, making us question norms, which art is *supposed* to do. The Left today are set on destroying institutions, identity, common values, in an attempt to take power. Rather than nurturing society through questioning, helping us see diverse viewpoints, etc., they are simply destroying. I even think of how they value diversity over unity. Fracturing us by dwelling on differences rather than commonalities.

We’re all either Orthodox or on our way to Orthodoxy.

I don't believe Jonathan mentioned it, and I didn't see a reference yet in skimming the comments, so just to provide a little extra background on why Jesus is depicted in such a consistent way by Orthodox iconographers (especially considering that there is no physical description of Christ in the Scriptures or even any of the non-canonical 1st century writings): up through the mid-6th century, images of Jesus tend to portray him as a young Roman man with no beard and short hair, often carrying a lamb (symbolizing him as the Good Shepherd). But, after the discovery in 544 of the "Image Not Made By Hands," literally a miraculous depiction of the image of Christ on a cloth, sealed in the arch over the entrance to the city of Edessa (which confirmed the 1st century story of the Apostle Thaddeus taking to King Abgar of Edessa an image of Christ made on a cloth), copies of this Image were quickly painted and taken by Christian monks from St Catherine Monastery at Mount Sinai throughout the Christian world. Ever since then, all iconography depicts Jesus Christ in the same basic manner. Historian Ian Wilson advances this theory in connection with what we know today as the "Shroud of Turin" in his book, The Shroud - Fresh Light on the 2000-Year-Old Mystery. Worth your time looking into!

Coffee is, interestingly, known now mostly by the double tailed mermaid. This interview was phenomenal. I love Jonathan Pageau. I saved it to my "Orthodox" playlist; ironically. Thank you guys. Now come and see! (We have coffee hour btw.)

Why isn’t this a nice surprise. Looks like I have something to watch while I twiddle my thumbs at work 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻😁

Brilliant, thank you for the interview.

Great intro and an excellent interview with Jonathan Pageau (he really is super - duper smart)!

Pags! Yes!

WOW. Powerful. I never heard of this guy. I'll have to look him up.

Excellent Jonathan and Bee Folk. The aim being lost and found again is very useful analogy

Awesome interview!

Talking about monsters so much made me think of the Cenobites. Exploring the limits of pain and pleasure, each person born with a Lament Configuration in their pockets

For 25 years I have been a evangelical baptist and in the last six or so thanks to Jordon Peterson who introduced me to Jonathan Pageau and others who peaked my interest, that the Christianity is a much, much bigger world than my little evangelical world of assumptions about ourselves and also it’s filters of anything outside of that so that I get a distorted image of of other peoples christian faith. Thanks to JP I learned to not get distorted impressions but actually listen to what other faith traditions have to say from the sources themselves. Not only Peageau but also Bishop Barren on Catholicism and know my faith journey is greatly enriched by people outside of my prejudices and bubble of one point of seeing things.

🤯 Wow, very interesting.

Spreading the pollen of truth. Nothing like Jonathan coming on and explaining every joke you’ve made in depth to a point even the joke tellers didn’t understand. Hence, “I meant to do that”.

Sometimes Jonathan seems to find it difficult to verbalise his knowledge so that the average Joe Soap can understand but after listening to many hours of his talks this is the most clear I've seen him express his vision. He is a truly remarkable individual. I only hope he continues his walk downwards to our Doors so we can let him in and be enlightened some more

great interview

In our parishes, the priests still ask the catechumens to leave after the Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist, but not chasing them. lol they are sent with a blessing.

“Monsters have layers, onions have layers…”

Love Jonathan Pageau.

Round 2, please!!!

Awesome interview. Another interesting thinker to have on is Rod Dreher!

This is gold.

When you said "coffee is a garment of skin" I never felt that more than when trying to stave off Depression/Sleepiness while playing Zomboid lmaooo

Epic

Excellent

Bee: *jokingly mentions coffee bar* Pageau: Hold my espresso...

Finally here!

Great show!!!😂😂😂

I am glad this man is gaining notariety!!

HAHAHAH THE FACES OF THE BB BOYS , JUST LIKE no words , great interview.

Man I'm 5 minutes into this video and I'm just laughed probably three times really hard 👍👉✝️✝️✝️

Lady Gaga fans are called Little Monsters for a reason.

Yall need to have Jonathan on again soon.

Can I get a transcript of this plz? Jebus! This is all fascinating!

Bar bar bar bar bar.

Funny thing about calvinists is that every Calvinist with a dog knows their dog is a good boy even if he is not a perfect boy.

Congrats on a great interview Jonathan! You're the next Peterson

Did anyone else notice the incredible irony that the video opens selling a Calvanist T-Shirt while having an Orthodox come on for an interview?

Their faces while he is speaking are funnier than the jokes.

I’ve seen that church is boring to those who have only been born once. When one is born again, the messages from scripture become interesting, as the indwelling Spirit engages with Truth. So it’s no surprise to me that Jordan Peterson found church boring. But there is yet time for him…I continue to pray for his salvation.

BASED

In one of the churches that I attend my Pastor refers to the northern part of the building as the Narthex. Make's sense right?

Have Pageau on staff for your cartoons 👍😀

Awesome. Re: "coffee is a garment of skin" . . an anthropologist who lived with an Amazonian Ayahuaska tribe said the shaman defended himself from enemy shamans by implanting hundreds of tiny "spirit-eyes" into his skin, to serve as an armor of vigilance even when he slept. The shaman had to take coffee regularly to feed the eye-entities. A garment of skin.

38:18 Actually Wednesday is a fast day so Tuesday is a very appropriate day to 'let loose'. On another resolution in the western tradition lent starts on a Wednesday so a big inversion festival is observed the day before ie Mardi Gras (Fat Tuesday)).

I agree with Pageu on the exploding heads

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I have a deep and long held appreciation for comedy. I have thought for some time that comedians were inherently conservative. But Mr. Pageau's comment towards the end made me think twice. I'm not sure he's right... I always thought Aristophanes and Molière were conservative for example. I think "liberal" comedy might be a recent phenomenon resulting from the 60s. And now we're just starting to get back on track.

Hey! I can't watch the rest unless i pay? Is it that sensitive?

I’m a new premium subscriber, how do I get to the q&a?

Okay. I can listen to what the guy says and see his perspective on some of his views of historical relevance. However how he applies it to what we need to do "in church" seems odd to me. But Calvary Chapel is the legalistic opposite of traditional Greek Orthodox. It inspires me to speak! "Revelation ch 1 v 11 In this introduction we are reminded that these seven letters to the seven churches are each to be distributed to each of the seven churches as well. Every church needs every warning. Also, to accentuate: In each letter it is proclaimed, "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” In Revelation 2:7 and before each church "letter". Jesus, writing 7 letters to His churches." Thanks for the inspire...

¡Viva Cristo Rey!

Y’all need to get Fr. Andrew Stephen Damick on!

A wedding is kind of like the structure of Genesis. You start out in the holy place with holy ritual and end up at the reception with partying and dancing and silliness.

Truth is stranger than fiction this week again!

Yeah, I can see how Jordan Peterson and church really don't go together well. I'd like to see him in a Bible study group with Dennis Prager, Paul Vander Klay, Jonathan Pageau, and Ben Shapiro, though.