Since the cloak drain is based on your speed, moving around crouched actually gives you more distance for less charge, with the tradeoff that you're slow of course, but that can be very useful when you only have a sliver of cloak left and need to get out of a sticky situation.

One if the biggest beauties of the CnD is it lets you hide right where the enemy just spy checked. Seriously, if you see a rocket fly into a corner from a particularly pissed soldier GO THERE, he'll never find you unless his paranoia has shattered his brain so much that he double checks his work.

C&D is, unfortunately, a watch that's so much better at getting in the opponent's head and reminds you that spy is a support class. It helps make distractions and making the enemy paranoid on multiple threats even when you aren't necessarily one. Stuff like that helps the team but doesn't get noticed on the kill feed so often gets unnoticed.

Just like a lot of people's spy psychology videos, my favorite thing to do as spy (that you can't really do as any other class) is to harass other players (specifically one or two, usually the best performing ones) so much that they become paranoid. Once paranoid, they begin to underperform. Spy is the only class that lets you effectively grant a debuff to one or more enemy players that lasts even for a few minutes if you switch classes.

The CaD is so perfect for being sneaky and messing with players it's unbelievable

A friendly reminder that this 0:43 is only true up to normal walking speed. Once you’re going faster than normal, it stops draining faster. Cloaking immediately after a stab using the Big Earner results in a few moments of added distance for the amount of cloak you get, making it decent as a way to give the watch a bit more mobility.

I always loved the CaD, and never really understood the “stay still forever” part. Personally I used it to become the ‘Boogyman’ essentially. Sneaking into their back lines, popping out of cloak in a disguise, killing a player or sapping building before fading into the shadows only to reappear at random times to ensure they never catch their breath. The normal spy is the assassin, crippling the enemy with precise blows (Medics, Enginners). While I choose to instead increase the inherit spy fear to 1,000, killing randomly, at random times with no rhyme or reason. A medic watches me decloak thinking I’ll kill him, instead I kill his soldier and disappear. He watches me kill a engineer next, his paranoia increases and he loses focus until I kill him next. #GiveTF2PTSD

I used to play comp long time ago and this thing was extremely useful on some maps, normally as a spy you would need to wait until push or distraction happens in a comp game because otherwise its a suicide to try and kill anyone, so you would wait somewhere near ammo/hp packs and on some maps they are far away from choke points, this is where cloak and dagger comes in, you can stay close to choke and react very quickly when push happens.

The Cloak and Dagger is good for messing around with the enemy team, making voice lines at them, while making them question where the voices are from.

Honestly a TF2 youtuber having their loadout rantsona actually lipsync to what they're saying is a really appreciated touch.

i once used the C&D to spray a wall next to an engie nest, then watch him panic spycheck around him, finding nothing, relaxing, and then i just did it again and again.

3:50 you missed a perfect opportunity to use the metal gear ! Sound effect

Im huge fan of ghost spy Being hidden alot of time, picking singular targets

From my point of view, the Cloak n Dagger is just usually better on defense, in particular when you are near the enemy's spawn. Because if the enemy team is struggling to get out, you kinda have to wait. But most of the time stock does the job just as well otherwise. And if you're on offense, you can usually just sit on an engie's dispenser to have a more predictable cloak n dagger. Most players don't really check there for some reason.

4:00 You should also be aware of what your team is doing, as you'll have a much easier time taking out players when they're busy focusing on them. Additionally, this'll help your team as well since you can take out vital targets such as Medics, Heavies or Demomen, getting rid of ubercharges, damage sponges and sticky traps.

I feel like the cloak and dagger and your eternal reward would be a great combo if it wasn't for that god forsaken cloak drain

4:45 this definitely has to be the CNDs biggest strength. The ability to just, not give into spy's most common routes and hot spots is great! But at that point you might as well use stock and the Le' Tranger...

As a cloak and dagger spy, I didn’t start out like the intro. I went “if I tap W, I can technically sneak into the base and get backstabs and have infinite cloak!” I still do that. Also, I use the l’étranger and YER to become the infiltrator

I have about 173 hours on tf2, and I'm VERY used to CaD. It just gives you infinite cloak, and i LOVE THAT.

i love the cloak and dagger sm

My favourite part about it is accidentally uncloaking at the wrong time and then running to a corner, but get hit in corner then move around and watch as players go mentally insane as they spycheck places I was while dodging their attack

amazing video and I love the pizza tower music that plays at 3:21

4:18 "no pain no gain mfs when i backstab their entire familly (they didint gain anything)"

You could've made the final joke so much better by adding "Or does he (leave)?" and playing a backstab sfx! It's also a great video!

Most Spy players forget this watch exists _(including me)_ and am glad more KZfaqrs are talking about it, like Soundsmith with his recent video Loved the bit at 4:34, reminded me of LazyPurple's hiftp demoman vid

The Cloak and dagger in my opinion is your own personal cashino. you can either wait until the perfect moment (Never) or take a gamble and decloak stab and then cloak again

5:10 i learned this on my own and after a lot of death its now an instinct to use 100% of my cloak to run away from pyros specifically, i will run to the other side of them map if it meant so, but i have to add for some reason stopping doesn't always work especially against scouts....

To learn the enemies habits, we must know what the enemy is up to. As an engy main, I’ll use this knowledge against spy and maybe if I play him once

One thing I'd like to point out is that using the spy-cicle with this watch helps against pyros trying to hunt you down. You can tank the first flame particle that touches you and stay invisible, allowing you to take advantage of hiding spots that they've already checked. Great video as always!

I'll be honest, I've primarily used the C&D for as long as I can remember ever playing Spy. I think it's because I'd often run out of cloak when trying to get in, and diguises don't really work when you're clearly running _into_ a base instead of out toward the combat. Being able to never be visible once the whole way in helped, although I *would* get in those traps of 'waiting for the perfect moment' (which did work sometimes, usually with engineers), but oftentimes I'd just sit there for a long time. Nowadays I'm smarter than that, I try to be more aggressive, and take advantage of the old tactic of "go to corner that they already checked" to avoid being caught after I get a stab/sap/Diamondback crit/whatever.

CaD is amazing at escapes, Its my main watch and I wouldn't be able to tell you how many times I end up cloaking right in front of a player only to stay in the same area and watch them chase nothing. There's also those tense moments when players know you're staying in the same area but can't pin down exactly where you are.

1:26 the entire enemy team left their position to hunt the most annoying and hated class "Spy". For a moment the prime purpose of living of the red team is hunt him down! Spy, one of the most fun to play, but annoying to play against :)

SPY HAS A GUN?!?!?!?

I think a good way to buff the C&D is to make the de-cloak sound quieter. The weapon is already intended to reward you for being patient and if this change was made it would help let spies using it stay hidden. In short it would trade off mobility and patience for stealth and the ability to quickly and quietly move from A to B without getting detected (if your good at spy that is)

The Cloak and Dagger, L'Etranger and Spy-cicle are a very great combination to get behind enemy lines without getting spotted once. And if a pyto spots you, the Spy-cicle is a great one use "get out of jail" card. :^)

As soon as I got the Cloak and Dagger, I didn't touch the default watch again. This video taught me a couple new concepts for me to work on. Thanks

Cloak and Dagger, L’etranger, and stock is an amazing combo.

It's worth noting that the Cloak and Dagger also has a louder decloak than stock, another of those hidden stats Valve added without telling anyone. So decloaking direxrly behind someone is even less practical.

4:29 “I didn’t see you at camouflage practice today private!” “Thank you sir!”

LEAFS! 5:56

i just sneak around until im about to "decloak" in which i wait a little bit then sneak more

The way you visualize these lessons is very helpful

These are fantastic lad, I hope a video about match ups come later, spy vs all classes and how to beat them/ escape from them, similar how uncle Dane did his engineer vs all classes video

The C&D is also a great tool to teach people that there's other ways to escape enemies other than just running away. Obviously the C&D let's you stay in that spot forever but you can do the same once you switch to stock. Just need to to keep an eye on your meter, but otherwise you can escape with stock just as you would with C&D. Mostly.

i always remember objects on maps that nobody knew existed or had any purpose so i played medic a lot and for some reason they didnt see me. i even used a spell on halloween to get on a tree and heal my team but nobody cared to look up.

I Found your channel right now and I‘m already hooked, good video btw

I remember having an Engineer so indulged into spychecking me that he didn't even watched his buildings so it was getting destroyed by soldiers, demos and heavys everytime he set up. I even hit him with the red tappe recorder just to annoy him. He switched to Pyro and started spychecking hard but by that time i was already on a Sniper and other Engineer and since i was using YER there wasn't any notification in the killfeed for the Pyro to know if i was still playing Spy.

I love sitting in the enemy base and just saying lines while invisible

Great amount of work in video!

Another great video. Keep up the great work Jontohil2!

I almost forgot that spy has a gun, thanks for the outro reminder :D

I love your tutorials! I became a spy main because of you and hope for more vids. Love you!

BTW, on cp_orange it's VERY useful to wait in the middle capture point

i have pretty much always used the cloak and dagger over stock, and thats just because i thought the name sounded cooler when i was starting out. now im so stuck to it that stock feels like the unlock instead

Wow, if compared to your previous uploads this one has improved, first of all, the animation, camera work. I like the presence of progression

I always use stock when playing a more urgent gamemode like payload but in a more casual slow paced setting like CTF the shenanigans you can get away with using the Cloak and Dagger are unmatched. My favourite hiding strat with the CaD is to hang out in the room the enemy is spy checking and just follow them around moving into the spots they have already checked. Since small movements use almost no cloak I love just standing in the middle of a populated area making tiny adjustments to where I'm standing so I don't bump an enemy.

I appreciate the animated spy narration. Subbed

You have a really good taste in music my friend (love that ROR2 OST :D)

What I usually do when I run the cloak and dagger is disguise as a teammate until I'm near enemy lines, that way I have a full cloak meter when I'm going to go in.

Finally someone liking it, I use it with the yer as to be able to gain more cloak without outing myself

4:19 bro got blood on his $10,000 suit

This guys music choice is legendary

Now you've made me a bit proud of my knowledge of this tool as I knew most of that stuff... I learned it mostly by staring at the respawn screen and asking myself "how the **** did i end up in that position?". Though I DID learn some stuff from that video (I think if I saw this earlier I would see a bit less respawn screens as I found no CnD guides back then). Keep up the good work!

I felt I needed it because I was unsure of if I was doing good choises after long moments without times to stop and think of what to do when playing spy, and I'm happy to know that the choise of Cloak and Dagger was a good one.

Another great analysis video with excellent animation quality!! Good job 👍🏻

A hidden benefit of the CND when paired with the yer is that you can disguise while cloaked. While this still saps your entire meter, it doesn't straight up barr you from disguising while cloaked, which can avoid the smoke trail of normal disguising.

love the wholesome thing at the end of the video outro :)

i just like standing in a corner with it and making people paranoid

Cloak and dagger can also be used in ctf to go from your spawn to the enemy’s intel without decloaking

the cloak and dagger is the perfect watch for cousing and controlling parranoia, you can stab someone, act like you're getting out and just sit there, wait, to stab again, if they become too parranoid, stay quiet, and then after a bit of time, strike again

I personally like using it it to make a random player go insane while I use voice lines. Specifically disguising as scout and spamming "Need a dispenser here!" (works best on an engie)

That was really quick, but I liked it a lot!

"The Internal Reward" has left out of chat

CAD is the troll way of inducing paranoia in the another team by making disembodied voice commands

the cloak and dagger, the l’etranger and the knife i feel like using that day is always my go-to spy setup

Clearly the best use of the Cloak and Dagger is to sit next to the Snipers and constantly swap your disguiises and spam voice lines. "The Sniper is a Spy!" "Yeah nice shootin' there." "Good work comerade!" "Spy among us..." "Mmm mmph!!" "POW! Haha!!"

i once used cloak and dagger to very VERY narrowly sneak past a demoman in 2fort tunnels and backstab him, it was amazing, i was literally practically brushing against him, very slowly moving past

Keep up the good work!

Your choice of music is very sophisticated and tasteful

If there's one thing I love using the CaD for, it's being able to get to teleporter entrances on payload maps. Often times the stock watch isn't enough to make it there without getting caught, and once you do get there, you have to be able to see when the coast is clear to sap. There's been many times on maps like Goldrush where me getting that teleporter was the difference-maker for winning the round

very well edited :)

Just being a menace to engineers with the cloak and dagger brings me great joy

Wonderful video! I have learned from this video, thank you for taking the time to make this video!

It’s a cool concept of how you can essentially go spectator mode with it and pull out the occasional shenanigan to make someone go crazy

1:40 I love you pronounced the name of the weapon perfectly lmao

Ok I say it: Your channel gonna blow up if you continu/improve your vids because of your editing and MOSTLY because of the way you implement SFM/Gmod parts in your vid !

4:19 No pain, no gain. ow.

No "spy has a gun" moment.

I like using the CaD for what I call “cctv spy” you basically just sit in a corner and give intel to your team (and sometimes try to get a backstab)

before i clicked on this video i was literally thinking ''oh yeah this is awesome you can just sit and wait''

Ah yes, my favorite tool. The Cloak and Troller. Perfect to feign escapes when it's just hiding in plain sight and to annoy/bully engineers.

i just use it to stand behind a sniper and constantly use the spy voiceline on him so all he hears for the entire match is "the sniper is a spy"

The cloak and dagger teaches you subtlety with your movements and positioning, and how easy it can be to take advantage of both when you are active and smart

I used this watch a lot on CTF, but found a use for it on the rest of game modes when the enemy team is spread across all the map and found myself often in situations where I was unable to find a safe spot before I ran out of cloak.

I have been using this watch for years and absolutely abusing it. It shocks me that nobody noticed how broken it can be

That Engineer at 3:46 heard the uncloak and immediately had horrible flashbacks of when he was ambushed by like 3 spies when he left his nest for 5 seconds

The use of Risk of Rain 2 music is just amazing background.

Great video!

im so glad that m favorit spy watch is finally being talked about and not just being called the "inferior invis watch"

Friendly reminder that after someone spychecked an area they will no longer check it and you can safely stay invisible there.