Jordan and McKay Pt. 3 - Leaving Mormonism and Starting Our Channel

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Jordan and McKay Pt. 3 - Leaving Mormonism and Starting Our Channel - Ep. 1540

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Mormon Stories is excited to welcome ex-Mormon KZfaqr couple Jordan and McKay on for a three-part series about their journey! Picking up where we left off, we invited ex-Mormon KZfaqr couple Jordan and McKay back on for part three to take us through their engagement, wedding, son being born, faith deconstruction and birth of their KZfaq channel.
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Part 1: • Jordan and McKay Pt. 1...
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Show Notes:
Jordan and McKay temple videos: • Mormon Temple Ceremoni...
Faith Journey FB Meetups: / about
Tom Phillips MS interview: www.mormonstories.org/podcast...
Hans & Birgitta Mattsson MS interview: www.mormonstories.org/podcast...
Matt and Stephanie Purcell MS Interview: www.mormonstories.org/podcast...
Unshaken KZfaq channel w/ Jared Halverson: / unshaken
CES Letter: cesletter.org
Letter to my Wife: www.letterformywife.com
Marc Oslund MS Interview: www.mormonstories.org/podcast...
“No Man Knows My History” by Fawn M. Brodie: www.penguinrandomhouse.com/bo...
Book of Abraham Gospel Topics essay: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/s...
Kyle and Neesha Mormon Stories interview: www.mormonstories.org/podcast...
Excommunication of John Dehlin: www.mormonstories.org/podcast...
Kimberly Anderson TikTok: / kimberly..anderson
Jordan & Mckay Patreon: / jordanandmckay
Jordan & Mckay Ko-Fi: ko-fi.com/jordanandmckay
Jordan & Mckay TikTok: www.tiktok.com/@jordanandmcka...
Timecodes:
00:00 Introduction and recap of 1 and 2
7:10 McKay gets “Dear Johned” on mission, connecting with Jordan
15:02 Dating, making out, lying to mom
24:20 Ward gossiping about Jordan’s past
36:11 Engagement
42:30 Staying worthy
45:32 “No machinery” comment from Stake pres
50:30 Dad not in temple wedding
56:00 Endowment ceremony, sexism
1:05:05 2015 exclusion policy
1:15:00 School and work, waiting for kids
1:20:55 Cracks in testimony, racism, xenophobia
1:26:00 Investigating the church’s truth claims
1:29:20 Second Anointing confusion
1:34:00 Asking questions to institute teacher
1:39:36 Working at Distribution Center, getting pregnant
1:47:36 Scrupulosity, OCD, anxiety during Covid pregnancy
1:51:09 C-Section gone horribly wrong
1:56:02 Feeling guilt for past sin in hospital
1:59:20 Postpartum psychosis
2:03:00 McKay’s employment with the church
2:09:00 Baby blessing while questioning faith
2:14:30 Downloading TikTok
2:19:40 Looking into the CES Letter
2:23:00 Joseph Smith sexual predator, BoA
2:33:55 How TikTok helps influence
2:46:50 Do they want to tear the church?
2:54:45 Dressing in temple clothes
3:03:55 TikTok to KZfaq journey
3:10:10 KZfaq content
3:14:35 Mormon influencers
3:23:00 KZfaq learning curve
3:30:25 Gender roles now
3:32:10 The impact they’re making
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@tazmin5020 2 жыл бұрын

When Jordan was discussing her pregnancy during Covid it made me realise just how recently they left the church. As an avid watcher of their videos, you'd think they'd have years upon years of deconstruction under their belt. So much growth in such a small time, it's incredible to see

@jennabrown3889 2 жыл бұрын

and so much hard work!! i thought the same thing!💛

@Maiju86 2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts exactly!

@GracieLouFreebushh 2 жыл бұрын

Same here!! So much love for them ❤️

@delindasowder9120 2 жыл бұрын

This episode made me realize just how badly I need to get back into counseling to help heal my hurts by the church. . . Jordan has definitely done work, and I’m ready now, too.

@eboni1346 2 жыл бұрын

I think they both mentioned that they had doubts building up and I do think them having each other definitely helped.

@tresrodrigos5603 Жыл бұрын

omg-- males like Mckay who can openly admit and not be threatened by Jordan's previous sexual history is just SO SO heartwarming to me. Men like him are rare! You can tell he is such an emotionally safe place for Jordan and I'm glad she finally found that. I love this couple!

@Aelffwynn Жыл бұрын

Men like McKay are not rare if their background is outside of purity culture. It's too bad purity culture is so normalized.

@paulamacdonald7070 Жыл бұрын

I agree he is a special person, his son is so, so lucky to have such an amazing role model. Even outside of purity culture he is a rare breed

@atlaslex 11 ай бұрын

What?! The VAST majority of people have had sex with other people before they get married. I’ve never met a man who was ‘threatened’ by his current partner’s sexual history. Not me, not any of my friends, not my family members. No one. This comment makes me super sad 😢 There’s a big old world out there where people love each other for the totality of their experiences that make them who they are and sexual shame and unreasonable jealousy are not a thing. Please come join it! ❤️

@nisaba5752 10 ай бұрын

@@atlaslexI'm wondering if you're male? Sometimes different genders have different ideas about jealousy. Most people I know have varying degrees of uneasiness from one or more exes of their current partner/spouse. All genders,all preferences. Who knows...maybe it depends on how easy or difficult it is for people around you to talk to you about it? 🤷🏻‍♀️ If you act like it's crazy for them to feel that way,or that it's bizarre to be jealous,they're not going to feel like confiding in you,maybe.

@taxiuniversum 10 ай бұрын

@@atlaslexI‘m a man, not a Mormon, and I would state that the prior sexual/intimate history of female spouses is, the way I see it, a challenge and potential problem to MANY man - including those, who are not following „religious“ doctrines at all. I guess it is related to a deep seated insecurity and a futile drive of „controlling“ everything. But I don’t know. I can just say that „it’s a thing“.

@StitchingWithTheSisterlies 11 ай бұрын

McKay is a blessing, the pain he exhibits as jordan shares her story and post partum moments is soooo strong. What a wonderful love you two share

@naomic4009 2 жыл бұрын

NeverMo here whose youtube algorithm blessed me with Jordan and McKay at the start of their channel. I've no idea why, all I know is I'm grateful for the information and honesty, and they've really opened my mind not just to mormonism but people of faith in general.

@themidcenturyzillennial 2 жыл бұрын

Same here!

@speednoodles773 2 жыл бұрын

Same here too!

@kaylanoel1868 2 жыл бұрын

Same!

@bethanyann37 2 жыл бұрын

Same here too!

@tater60 2 жыл бұрын

Same here.. I left evangelical christianity.. purity culture abuse, blaming victims of SA for the abuse, are so similar... I cried over Jordan's story. It follows my own a bit too close for comfort..

@8dazeAweek2 Жыл бұрын

Jordan and McKay: Engaged in 5 months John: "That's about average" Carah: "I was engaged within 3 weeks" John: "I was engaged after about 10 months, I don't know if that's fast or slow" Me, a nevermo who just got engaged after 4 years and 2 months: 😲

@ilovelucytheboston Жыл бұрын

I also got engaged after four years

@whychoooseausername4763 Жыл бұрын

Congratulations 🎉

@racheljohnson5635 Жыл бұрын

We were together for almost 13 years before we got engaged. We'll be married by 14 years though! Congratulations to you!

@jcg03002 7 ай бұрын

I got married 8 months after meeting my husband, despite being nevermo

@BenSwagnerd 5 ай бұрын

I'm a nevermo atheist and my husband and I knew we were getting married before we admitted we were in love. We were "best friends" who were basically dating without ever touching or acknowledging it for maybe 8 months. Admitted we had feelings for each other, I moved in the next day, and we were married a little over a year later. We were never really engaged? Or I guess we skipped the dating. Sometimes you just know. Been married almost 3 years and the biggest fight we've had was over him eating all of the Pringles without sharing any with me lol

@IraLuxuria 2 жыл бұрын

Listening to McKay talk about his concern for people seeking a better life in the US after he'd been on his mission- this is a clear way that the LDS Church *could* be making a big difference in the world- imagine if missionary work was actually just 2 years of outreach work. The church could pay for people to devote 2 years for to volunteer work, not even necessarily overseas to avoid white saviour complexes (with zero preaching or converting). Then after this, there are more conscientious humans with a broader worldview. But no, they'd rather create more sexually repressed, ashamed and fearful cult members.

@evanwillingham5246 2 жыл бұрын

So true!

@kristinkrauss5610 2 жыл бұрын

Yes. 💯 Same for Christian missions.

@dianethulin1700 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I always think this is a huge missed opportunity as far as the church is concerned. Waste of effort and money in order to do things the way they always have

@jennprescott2757 2 жыл бұрын

@@kristinkrauss5610 lots of Christian missions are compassion ministry.

@jaggirl Жыл бұрын

100% true. For any Christian missions really. It could be used for much better, worthwhile, and life changing things. Some are already on a better track .

@UsInSearchOfMeaning 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly Jordan, your little boy has one strong, intelligent, empathetic, resilient, capable, courageous, sincere, funny! and loving mother! (And father McKay)! If a heavenly parent is ok with punishing his earthly children in the way you have suffered, he doesn’t deserve the love (or money) he so ‘humbly’ demands from them. What a great three part podcast. Thank you all ❤️

@DM-kl4em 10 ай бұрын

YES! It is a HUGE RED FLAG that the "heavenly father" is all-powerful, yet he demands 10 percent of your pre-tax income. I left when I found out (on Zillow) that my preacher was living in a $800K house outside of town with an in-ground swimming pool. I work two jobs so I can afford to live in a $200K house and let my wife stay home with our baby girl until she starts Kindergarten. If the church wants 10 percent of that money, they can kiss my foot. One of the best financial decisions I ever made was when I stopped tithing, and I bitterly regret that I was ever conned into it in the first place.

@scotttobler6642 2 жыл бұрын

I am 60 years old. I left 32 years ago and it was a painful experience with no support or community for emotional help that exists today. I spent many years researching, but finally knew there was no way to still believe, despite knowing the price I would pay. I am so glad that you figured it out while you were young and did not pass this lie on to your kids. Your a cute couple and want only the best for you.

@tater60 2 жыл бұрын

I left my church, evangelical abusive, 40 years ago. Yes, there was not the sport out there then, as there is now.. I am so happy for people leaving now, it makes it that much exponentially easier, which is a good thing.

@Ameliamaemay1990 2 жыл бұрын

I love Jordan and McKay’s love story! It’s so sweet! I adore McKay for being able to think rationally about the fact that “virginity” doesn’t matter despite his upbringing and Jordan….wow…Jordan you are incredible, powerful, smart and strong. Keep being the amazing humans you are and caring for each other!! Get your bag for those new mics 👏👏

@marthal8862 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan, you are incredible. I was not expecting your story to be that way, you're a wonder and you've got an amazing life ahead of you

@solitairesmith3553 2 жыл бұрын

McKay is lucky to have such a beautiful wife. I love you guys. You guys are soo connected in the best way 💗

@davidkaapro 2 жыл бұрын

Fanstatic story and couple. Thank you

@Maiju86 2 жыл бұрын

And I watch you guys fron Italy! 😁👋

@margenn3889 2 жыл бұрын

Watching from Sydney, Australia

@margaretberryman6260 7 ай бұрын

I've been fascinated (from Australia) by your story. So pleased they have a lovely little family.

@SB-ft4mr 2 жыл бұрын

Never heard of anyone else that felt the C-section incision…31 years ago and I still remember every second of it. Sorry you had to go through that.

@Robynsonfire 2 жыл бұрын

I had to stop the video. I had such a visceral reaction to just her alluding to it at first. That happened to me almost 14 years ago. I've never heard of it happening to anyone else. Everytime I've told my labor/delivery story to anyone I'm met with shock & horror or skepticism. And for the first year I was set on convincing myself that it couldn't have really happened. I screamed and passed out after the first incision but it was an emergency and as far as I know they just proceeded. I have memories of coming in and out of consciousness but also very dissociated but my body remembers the pain. If I try and think back to it I can feel it. It's so impossible to describe to people. The best I've come up with was that it felt like someone put an scorching hot iron on my abdomen.

@Robynsonfire 2 жыл бұрын

I finally made it through that portion but I sobbed the whole way through. Living with this experience has been so alienating, I've felt so alone for so long in that regard. I only have my one child. I'm always asked when I'm going to have another child. I can't. I still am so paranoid about sex in general I'm still absolutely petrified of getting pregnant, and now with roe being over turned I've been trying to find a doctor that will do a tubal ligation on an unmarried 34 year old (I've been with my partner for 10 years but he just proposed last year and I'm in no hurry, plus i know when we finally do the "when are you guys going to have a baby" questions ate going to start all over again 🙃) I'm still in shock that I'm not alone in that experience. I'm so sorry you also went through that. It was hands down the worst thing that ever happened to me and that's really saying a lot.

@robincook4349 2 жыл бұрын

46 years ago, I had 15 spinals and only got partial numbness when the dr started cutting I could feel the burn on one side, I kept saying I can feel that and finally the dr looked over the curtain and said "do you want me to stop" I said I don't know but that hurts, so he told the dr to give me gas and I went to sleep.

@jennieingram4358 Жыл бұрын

I felt mine to, the anesthesiologist didn’t believe me at first. Even though I couldn’t see what they were doing. It was an emergency c section I was 17 years old. It was very traumatic in retrospect. Luckily, my son and I were fine but definitely wouldn’t recommend.

@suzetteemberton4368 Жыл бұрын

I didn't feel the initial incision, but I could feel everything by the time they were putting me back together after my daughter was born. Mine was an emergency c-section after 21 hours of contractions, and I think they just had to move really quickly. In the end, my daughter and I were both fine, but they did keep me longer in the hospital.

@averyc.9028 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan and McKay and Mormon Stories were the people who gave me the push t leave the church. I love seeing them both together!!! Last summer, Jordan and McKays videos popped up on my youtube recommended. During this time I was really struggling with the church after watching my parents divorce and a lot of problems the church caused them that led to their divorce. After watch a few of jordan and mckays videos mormon storied popped up on my recommended and i cannot thank you guys enough for giving me that final push i needed to leave. Ive now started college at ASU and dropped the institute classes i was planning on taking. I havent been back to church since i got to college and it has been so amazing to be able to introduce myself as someone who “used to be mormom”

@JordanandMcKay 2 жыл бұрын

Yay! We love to hear it! We wouldn’t even blame you if you took the classes so you could park there for $5!!

@averyc.9028 2 жыл бұрын

@@JordanandMcKay hahahha honestly might if i ever bring my car down here 😂😂

@sleepycalico 2 жыл бұрын

That birthing story is harrowing. I'm so sorry for what you both endured, physically and emotionally, and so very happy about how your lives are now.

@Pamela-su1hh 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan I am in tears listening to your birth trauma and how it relates to your high demand faith. I wish I could give you a hug, but as a nurse you’ve also given me so much more insight into what my patients may be experiencing. 💕

@PaisleyGodspeed 9 ай бұрын

Thank Ruby Franke for this. I'm a Mormon Stories and Jordan and McKay junkie now. Also brought me to find so much on youtube beyond Karaoke and shower music. Thanks for being snarky, candid, sincere, sweethearts.

@RoseColoredGlasses Жыл бұрын

I just want you to know- I made the decision to listen to all three episodes in the last 24 hours. 😂😭

@mormonstories Жыл бұрын

❤️🙏

@deniseeaves3681 2 жыл бұрын

OMG!! I can't believe that they continued with the C section without making sure you couldn't feel it. My epidural didn't work either, but they made sure before cutting me. They ended up putting me under a general. That is horrifying. I can't even imagine.

@BG-ig6fd 9 ай бұрын

I was wondering exactly that while she was telling the story: When they finally realized she was feeling it, why didn’t they give her general anesthesia? Jordan said they told her they had given her everything they could. What was the reason for not putting her under general? Epidurals not working completely seems to be more common than I thought. I personally know three people with epidural failure stories (where it only partially anesthetized one side of the body). Harrowing story, indeed. I’m so sorry you went through that extreme trauma, Jordan.

@autumnmoonfire3944 4 ай бұрын

I wondered that too, I could maybe see why they didn’t give meds that would require intubation, but what about a barbiturate or propofol? And/or marcaine in the incision, they were using that at my community hospital back around 2012 and it was a freaking miracle. Finally, they knew this epidural was problematic before they decided to section her. The section wasn’t crash, the new anesthesiologist could have d/c’d it and done a proper spinal. Horrified pregnant people reading this, if your epidural isn’t effective make that crystal clear, what can be put up in labor might be very different in a c-section!

@SheilaConvery 2 жыл бұрын

It's now the 2nd time I have heard Jordan tell her birth story and once again I cannot help the tears. How she can retell that experience without breaking down is a testament to her internal strength.

@amkoh87 2 жыл бұрын

Listening to Jordan's labor & delivery story as a non-Mormon, but ex-Catholic, who can't have children due to multiple medical circumstances in my life, her whole story hit home REALLY hard! Catholic guilt is just as bad, it's like I've been punished for EVERYTHING wrong I ever did! Thank you for sharing Jordan❤

@felixkahn4845 2 жыл бұрын

So the takeaway from this series is basically, "Jordan has gone through way too much." Jordan, I hope you're able to continue to heal and find happiness. It's interesting to me how this story does feel very Gen Z, with both their exposure to the Internet and social media and the way they've engaged with the church. Watching other videos as someone who's never been Mormon, I've thought that some of the cultural differences were entirely due to the church being so outside of the realm of what I'm used to, but I didn't quite realize that it's also a generational difference-- I'm only a couple years younger than Jordan and McKay, so of course their story will sound more familiar to me than a lot of the others on the podcast.

@LoriElizabeth99 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan-- listening to your story and just came to say I am ALSO a part of the club who had a c-section where the anesthesia and pain block did not work! I'm a nevermo! I'm so sorry you went through that --its just so traumatizing and there is zero support!

@melaniesorensen9998 2 жыл бұрын

I don't have enough or sufficient adjectives for this series. I just keep coming back to the thought that this series will save lives. Wow. Thanks to everyone, great collaboration.

@kaylanoel1868 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a NeverMo who actually briefly considered converting from catholicism to mormanism while in college. One of my roommates actually got baptized into the church after I spoke to her and encouraged her to go if she was interested. I actually really struggle with that, knowing what I have learned from all of you. She found a loving husband and family and her mom was baptized into it as well, it just makes me wonder where she would be if I hadn't encouraged her to go.

@rachelk4805 Жыл бұрын

None of us are responsible for other people's decisions, and if she already expressed interest, and considering there were other influences in her life, I wouldn't worry too much about it.

@overexposure337 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely adore Jordan & McKay! So glad to hear the full story and details. Wishing them nothing but the best.

@robyn5145 2 жыл бұрын

Oh Jordan your birth story hit me so hard and I just want to send you hugs from a fellow traumatic birth mom ❤️ thank you so much for sharing your struggles around motherhood and pregnancy. I had a VERY similar pregnancy with both my kids and it's so easy when in the church to just brush it off cause it's what we're "supposed" to do as women. Just finished listening to all 3 of these episodes and loved it. Thanks for sharing!

@Heather.R. 2 жыл бұрын

My husband and I decided to wait to have kids until we had been married for ten years, we were 19 and 20 when we got married. When I did get pregnant and we started telling people SO MANY of our family and friends told me they thought we decided not to have kids and we were lucky we changed our minds. Forget the fact that my husband was military when we got married and we wanted to be in a stable place out of the military and both have a degree under our belts. My perfect son was born six months before our ten year anniversary.

@leahtheanimationfan40 2 жыл бұрын

If my boyfriend and I end up having a child, we'll probably wait that long too. It's such a life changing responsibility but people just have kids without thinking too much about it because "that's just what you do"

@Heather.R. 2 жыл бұрын

Don't let anyone pressure you into having children on their timeline. Having a child doesn't just change YOUR relationship and YOUR life, you will have another human who will depend on you for the rest of your life. It's not an 18 year gig, I am 30 and still go to my parents for advice.

@leahtheanimationfan40 2 жыл бұрын

@@Heather.R. Yeah. I'm 22 and I don't live with my parents but I visit then often. My mom had ME when she was my age, and I'm the second child. I can't even imagine having kids that young, when my own brain hasn't fully developed. Maybe 10 years from now when I feel ready, but I'm not going to let anyone else make that decision for me

@LifeOfCandice 2 жыл бұрын

My husband and I were a little older when we got married. 25/27 but we also decided to wait for kids, we've been married for almost 7 years. My husband is military and spent the first 4.5 years of him being gone for training, deployment, and TDY. My sister-in-laws both got pregnant before us and I was told "you got married first." So sickening seeing as how one of them had two miscarriages before having a full term pregnancy. We waited for several reasons, one he was gone all the time and two we financially weren't ready. Now I'm able to stay home with our baby. I hate how kids are such a big deal in marriage for people. Like my mom placed value in her life not being a grandma, which isn't fair because I'm an only child while her sisters have multiple kids. I'm due this month and I'm already being told we should just start trying for another so we can "catch up." This pregnancy hasn't been bad but it's been rough on me. I can't imagine (right now at least) being pregnant and taking care of another kid. We've considered just not having another but now I'm being told "your husband needs a son and your daughter needs a sibling." 🙄🙄🙄

@vincent82746 2 жыл бұрын

Loved every minute that I watched.(and I watched it all!) I’m a “never Mormon” and stumbled on Jordan and Mackey about 2 months ago subscribed and now am subscribed to this channel. What a beautiful spirit you all have love you all!🧞‍♂️❤️

@rickyjohnson7591 2 жыл бұрын

I listened to every minute of all 3 parts. Thank you for sharing your story Jordan & McKay! I was never Mormon but I am an ex-Fundie that appreciates and learns so much from Mormon Stories about healing from religious trauma & growing after leaving a high-demand religion. Thank you Mormon Stories team!! Much love :)

@whothinksforme 2 жыл бұрын

The "no machinery" in the bedroom part at 45:37 had me cracking up! 😅 I rarely update a comment but Jordan's trauma associated with her C-section and the sexual abuse from the previous episode is a hard lesson but oh so important to listen to. Truly amazing survivors!

@marcellacruser951 2 жыл бұрын

This series is something I really want to go through again. There's a lot to absorb here. Thanks for a great series, MS. Jordan and McKay led me here, but your professionalism and sensitivity to their story will have me coming back regularly.

@StarringSara312 2 жыл бұрын

I just listened to parts 1 and 2 and I NEED this part 3!!! So excited!!!

@Ameliamaemay1990 2 жыл бұрын

Omg saaammeee

@chelsey9927 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan is seriously so badass. Such a captivating speaker. Love hearing Mckay's story too. I was never Mormon but grew up in a fundamentalist Christian church and there are so many parallels. Thank you for this interview.

@laurac8659 2 жыл бұрын

I’m a subscriber to this couple and I’ve found a whole new level of respect and love for them ❤️

@LisaR2392 2 жыл бұрын

"And so they made the first cut" i literally cringed in my seat when you said that because it brought back a vivid memory!!! I FELT IT ALL!! This was my exact experience 17 yrs ago!! Oh God how i feel your pain!! It's AWFUL!!! .....I have ONE son!! I wanted to reach into the screen and give you a hug!!

@ginger_panapple 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the detailed sectioning! Makes it so I can listen while going to sleep and still pick up where I left off.

@lizeast4854 2 жыл бұрын

As a ex- evangelical Christian, I totally relate to Jordan. I grew up so scared of Satan and how God was punishing me. That mixed with my anxiety mixed for a very OCD person today. I still struggle but being able to deconstruct has been such a gift in realizing my own agency and freeing myself from harmful thought patterns. But it is still a struggle

@MH-wz1rb 2 жыл бұрын

Ex-cath, huge fan of Jordan and McKay. The part about weddings getting delayed is so interesting because for Catholics, it's the opposite. If the wedding date becomes earlier, it generally means the couple is having sex, usually because the bride is pregnant. The problems are then in the stance on contraception, as well as the same issues of pushing young couples to marry too quickly. But delaying the wedding seems so inconsistent with the goal of marriage in high-demand Christianity on its face.

@cuhweenuh 2 жыл бұрын

I’m so glad Jordan and McKay did this interview I learned SO much! One of the best interviews I’ve listened to in a while.

@cheryllee2426 2 жыл бұрын

I'm an exjw and I was searching for exjw content. For some reason Jordan and McKay's channel showed up in my feed. Hearing their stories although different have been so relaitable and informative. I have listened to all three podcasts over the course of this week and ive loved every minute of it. ❤ Thank you for being so vulnerable and putting your stories out there.

@anitacrumbly Жыл бұрын

a good exjw youtuber is @OwenMorganTelltale he also does videos on stuff regarding fundamentalist xianity as it's very culty too.

@oneofmanykats 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan is by far one of strongest and the bravest young Moms I've ever been blessed to witness share their story. In my eyes, she is truly a hero for making it through all she has and blossoming into such a smart, brave, and outspoken person. It's easy to carry our pain and let it interfere in our lives and she is out here thriving. Thank you both for sharing your stories. I've always loved your channel but I appreciate you as humans on an even deeper level. Thank you for letting others with similar challenges know it's possible to come out on the other side. ❤

@saharasmith4274 Жыл бұрын

I did not have as near a traumatic birth story as jordan but i was absolutely terrified about giving birth. I also had a lot of the same pregnancy symptoms- dehydration and continuous vomiting. It was a rough pregnancy. Somehow my labor was smooth sailing. However, i joined a therapy class beforehand and they told me 1/4 women have a traumatic birth experience and i was so scared the entire time. Then, when we got home after a smooth labor, I had anxiety like never before in my life. I also didnt sleep for the first four months because I was also convinced my son would stop breathing. I see a lot of parallels in myself coming from an evangelical church which pushed purity culture. I was also SA'd as a child. I wasnt a mormon but can greatly appreciate their work to speak out against a destructive, powerful system. It brings me a lot of hope for our future.

@ameliasparkles13 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan and McKay, you are both so wise beyond your years yet so full of life and promise. As always, I wish you the best in all you do. ✨ MSP- thank you. What a fascinating podcast!

@mst3kharris 2 жыл бұрын

I love that Jordan accidentally put herself at the head of the line for McKay through a simple friendly gesture. All those girls hoping to get him as a BF, none of them thought to just say hi!

@jeanspeer4053 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve watched Jordan and McKay almost from the start of their channel, I am not a Mormon, but was intrigued by their story. I had to stop and write this before watching till the end. I am crying over all that Jordan went through mentally and physically and was mentally tortured carrying all that guilt. If they had talked about this on their channel before I missed that episode, It really explains a lot! She has been through so much in her life from the beginning and put in so much effort to do whatever she could do to feel she was worthy in that church and then to have the pregnancy and delivery and aftermath!

@sallyostling 2 жыл бұрын

It was explained to me by a LDS student attending my university that polygamy was necessary due to the wagon trains. Too many men were dying leaving families with no way to survive, so men would take on additional wives to help. She obviously was told to "say" that, or it was what she actually believed.

@kelliewilborn9154 9 ай бұрын

I heard the same story from a Mormon friend in SLC

@mamasmurf7830 10 ай бұрын

Wow, what a journey! I ended up here because of the recent Ruby Franke/Jodi Hildebrandt case, because I knew VERY little about Mormonism. It’s been quite fascinating…. It’s wild to me that ALL I knew about Mormonism was that some guy named Joseph Smith wanted to marry a bunch of young girls, so he lied about having revelations that would allow him to do so, and people fell for it…. Meanwhile, the people dedicating their lives to the religion aren’t even told he was a polygamist! 😳 I thought that part was common knowledge…. Thank you all for this fascinating introduction into Mormonism! Don’t worry, I’m not converting 😅 I’m just interested in all the different ways people experience this life we’ve found ourselves born into. There’s a million ways to experience Earth. ☺️ I’m glad you found your way out of such toxicity. ❤️

@dyanifochs4973 Жыл бұрын

My husband and I are on the search for a new church. We were looking into the mormon church and after seeing this three part Video we will continue looking. Thank you for sharing so we didn’t make one of the biggest mistakes.

@anitacrumbly Жыл бұрын

You don't need a church at all regardless of what you believe there is no reason to give organized religion that power over your lives. I grew up in so called non-denominational church (which is code for fundamentalist ) what the pastor, preacher, reverend, priest says is often taken as truth by the followers of those attending but they are still humans with human biases and those biases make it into their teachings even if subtle. If you just want community I once went to a universalist unitarian church and that seemed cool it was more about peace and love and welcomed people of all faiths with no need to convert. Though if you are adamant that you need a church , maybe Methodist, they seem to welcome everyone and don't preach about how it's a sin to be homosexual or trans or seem racist.

@skylarkblue4853 8 ай бұрын

I like Unity Church. Christian based, progressive and loving.

@hero0fcanton190 2 жыл бұрын

I'm 39 always been single, but would like to have a wife and kids. Purity culture damaged me enough that I have a hard time forming romantic relationships. Being slightly on autism spectrum is also a partial factor.

@lc5666 2 жыл бұрын

Don't give up!! Lots of down to earth ladies out there, lots of love to be had. If I can find a partner there is a hope for anybody! Lol. Is your username a Firefly reference?

@hero0fcanton190 2 жыл бұрын

@@lc5666 Thanks for the nice words. Yes the hero of Canton the man they call Jayne!

@kiterafrey 2 жыл бұрын

“In my experience, they cause more problems than they are worth.” Translation “I couldn’t get her off and it could and it caused problems because I threw a fit that I was emasculated”

@cristinaimpoverished7435 3 ай бұрын

Yup, my reaction to this section was just I guess they don't want women to enjoy sex in that religion! 🍆 💦 🍑

@robinsaxophone232 2 жыл бұрын

My anesthesia didn’t take on my second emergency c section. They shot me up with something right away so didn’t last long. My 1st was the worst with babies heart and overdose of epidural and staff infection. So sorry for your traumatic experience.

@kenbrown6095 2 жыл бұрын

AMAZING, YOU TWO ARE AMAZING PEOPLE! thank you for sharing so much!

@nicsisco803 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan and McKay have become favorites of mine quickly. I've learned so much from their channel, and these nine hours honestly went by so fast. Interesting stuff. I appreciate them sharing their stories. I can relate to Jordan in some ways and I can't say enough about how much her story has helped.

@samtheramyyc 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan, you are a beautiful soul! I am so happy you’ve found a safe person in McKay. I’ve been healing from trauma (it’s not linear, that’s for sure), and it makes it SO much easier with a safe person who cheers you on and sees YOU (and loves you unconditionally). McKay, I am in my 30’s, and a few years older then you both, but I WISH I had the critical thinking skills you have in your mid-twenties! Seriously an impressive power couple 💪 Love from Alberta, Canada 🇨🇦

@Kmob795 2 жыл бұрын

I am McKay and McKay is me with the stand mixer excitement! I watched all three of these back to back and I am so grateful for finding these two and this channel! Ive never been mormon but I grew up with a lot of them and realized I knew very little about what it means! Thanks Fundie Fridays, Jordan and McKay and mormon stories for teaching me all the new things!

@ClaudiaThor 2 жыл бұрын

Ahh I kind of wondered if McKay liked the H3 Podcast, don‘t know why 😍 Thanks for these amazing episodes! I‘ve been bingeing exmo content for a few weeks now, since I discovered it through Jordan & McKay. Even though I‘m not really religious, I always find it very interesting to see how things can happen in life and how people can be manipulated to believe in or do certain things. Growing up in Austria, I‘ve always thought that most people don‘t really believe in religion anymore and I never really understood why I should believe in something that someone wrote in some book. 😂 I was raised Roman Catholic, but here it‘s mostly just tradition and I honestly think a lot of people only stay in church for the sake of tradition and in order to be able to get married in a church. I wanted to comment when you guys talked about how Tiktok etc. will change how things will be from now on and if maybe missionaries will have a harder time converting people when they don‘t fall for all the „tricks“ anymore. Because that‘s how I have always seen it, when for example someone in town tried talking me into a religion, because I already knew that religion isn‘t for me. Love the podcast, I will keep bingeing 😊

@brookelaw4245 2 жыл бұрын

So excited for part 3!!! Thank you for sharing, McKay and Jordan!!! You should be so proud of how far you have come! Love this podcast!! ❤ The strength you all have is admirable!

@kaylalongley8708 2 жыл бұрын

I’m a NeverMo who grew up in the Catholic Church but had many friends in the Mormon church and have tried to convert me over the years. These stories break my heart for them. How strong you all are. Catholicism is a beast of its own, but Mormonism is absolutely crazy! Thank you for sharing. Thank you for being vulnerable. Thank you, all of you! P.S. - What mics are you using? I want to see how we could help support them getting that setup! Love always!

@ginafrancis4950 2 жыл бұрын

Love Jordan and McKay, two amazing humans!🥰 Listening to this podcast I’m once again reminded and appalled by the hypocrisy of the Mormon church. I left years ago. I wish I’d had the resources that are available now for those deconstructing their Mormon upbringing. Thank the stars for these two Gen Zs. Inspirations! Dr John I do believe you are right about the older generations being a bit more tolerant of injustices here and there. Seems each new generations perspectives get a little clearer about the necessity to speak out for healthy change in worn out oppressive and hypocritical systems. Imo the Internet is a blessing and a curse. Certainly a blessing when it comes to speaking truth to power. Why has “god” not been whispering in the ears of his prophets all along about this coming day of Internet reckoning? The Internet will hopefully one day put the church out of business as a religion. But sadly, I’m pretty sure the corporation will live on.

@2listening1 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan, I actually admire your dedication in getting your endowment and working so hard. I’ve never been Mormon but I admire your hard work a great deal and you’re a great person and you were a great kid! I’m actually tearing up. McKay, that other young lady ghosting you while you were off working so hard on mission was very wrong. I’m crying a little for that too. Love to you both. I’m an old lady by the way haha. 🧓🏼🧶

@elisebrisson 2 жыл бұрын

Oh Jordan, hearing you talk about your pregnancy and delivery was so heartbreaking. You’re such a strong person. Thank you both for sharing your story.

@rebeccab-b1175 2 жыл бұрын

Such a great three part series. I have loved Jordan and McKay for a while but learned so much and was moved by this interview! Mormon Stories really stepped up their (already awesome) game with this one.

@tonihoban8350 Ай бұрын

I am 2 years late, but have to say this has been an eye-opening series. Love, love Jordan and Makay, their hearts, their integrity, their intelligence and their willingness to be so open and vulnerable in sharing their stories. Also forgot how much I love John and Cara’s collabs.

@ohj7673 2 жыл бұрын

Two incredibly smart, witty, and down to earth interviewees. Takes such strength to overcome all that you have and be able to reflect so well on your Mormon experience. Love your channel! (BOUT TIME you got a three part Mormon stories feature!!!xx)

@ellipuuvanen2441 2 жыл бұрын

When I started watching Jordan & McKay at KZfaq they had just few thousand followers. i hadn't even realised it had grown so much. Apparently I don't see the amount of followers at the channels I already follow. You have great channel and it has been getting better and better.

@aoifemccarthy2299 2 жыл бұрын

Watching from Ireland 🇮🇪 wishing only the best for Jordan & McKay 💕 found their channel through DCP also subscribed to your channel & tiktok 😁

@alissat.4363 2 жыл бұрын

Fantastic interview & couple. Jordan & McKay are so real and down to earth. I appreciated their vulnerability here and on their KZfaq too. Keep making the world a better place, you two!

@nikkik4603 2 жыл бұрын

Mad love and respect to you Jordan and McKay! I have loved listening to your story these past three days.

@LoriOnTheBrightside 2 жыл бұрын

I was a much younger siblings in a family of 5 children. I just now realized the impact of not seeing 3 of those siblings married. I had forgotten that weird feeling sitting in the waiting area. my youngest sister, 6 years my elder, did get married in our living room, so I got to participate there

@queenbee8309 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome series with Jordan and McKay!!! Thank you

@nastialover180 Жыл бұрын

February 2021!!!! That’s so recent! I had no idea. THANK YOU Jordan and McKay for spending the time and energy to tell your story! I listened to all three parts and I appreciate the honesty and vulnerability to share. Love you guys ❤

@karamelibee 2 жыл бұрын

These two have quickly become one of my favorite youtubers! So glad to get to hear their experiences even more in depth than before. I agree this is incredibly important to document this kind of information. Thank you so much!

@gloriamosby7527 2 жыл бұрын

Omg Jordan!!! I had hypermesis graviderum during my pregnancy and remember sobbing and begging my doctor to induce me. I'm I'm sorry that the birth experience was so traumatic. It's such a difficult thing 😕 you are a bad ass warrior that's for sure

@corimiller8782 Жыл бұрын

I've never been Mormon but I grew up in southern Evangelical Christian communities. Jordan's birth story is so close to mine. I'm so sorry. And even though I was never Mormon, thank you for sharing all these stories because they help people deconstructing from all different places. ❤

@christinecrowley7132 2 жыл бұрын

Great video thanks for sharing your mormon experience and it's affect on your life.

@sarahmarie7107 2 жыл бұрын

The birth story... horrible. I'm in tears. Jordan you are an incredible woman, wife and mother💚 thank you for sharing your story. Oh and your husband is pretty awesome too 😉

@ginamariedemeo 2 жыл бұрын

Excited for part 3!

@clairefolger6926 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for interviewing Jordan and McKay. I’ve been a fan of theirs for a couple of months now and had no idea that they had such an incredible Mormon story.One of my favorites.

@leannbrower3152 2 жыл бұрын

I love these two! Been watching from the beginning of their KZfaq channel.

@OK-hi5ym 2 жыл бұрын

Listening to this as I’m riding the green line on Trax which goes through downtown SLC and right by Temple Square

@lynnj9721 2 жыл бұрын

The 2nd anointing sounds like catholic indulgences. Maybe John Delin is The Mormon Martin Luther.

@emilysarah25 2 жыл бұрын

Love you all! Thank you for sharing💕

@Kellyc888 2 жыл бұрын

My best friend and I were engaged at the same time and her her mom took it upon herself to tell us "Oral ___ is COMPLETELY unnecessary in a marriage, I didn't even know what it was until I'd been married for a decade!" 😂🤣😂

@AprilBytheBay Жыл бұрын

“Mrs. ___, have you thought that maybe Mr. _____ was just bad at it?”

@blazefairchild465 11 ай бұрын

Our priest gave us our marriage training classes one night he pointed out some Bible verses about oral sex and pointed out it was called sodomy too thus banned . Also the verse about never to waste the husbands seed on the ground & to only have sex when you are on your fertile days. So o birth control no sex for pleasure as far as pulling out or hand jobs . We listened to it all and being young figured there must good reason for all this it’s in the Bible.

@exoticfoxholebrianna 2 жыл бұрын

I've been soooo into this series! Thank you all for sharing!

@heathersyvilla9617 2 жыл бұрын

I Always got the sense that Jordan and McKay have their own language that they speak to each other and that’s all nonverbal and I feel like they speaking that language this entire interview to each other silently through body language

@tx10lady2 2 жыл бұрын

I agree, I love the way they are in sync and lovingly connected!

@kristopherhokanson3796 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing this guys! Amazing video!

@susan5248 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate you addressing the subject of excluding family from weddings. That happened in my family (my step niece is Morman, we are not). I still have hard feelings over it.

@vikingcalibur3009 2 жыл бұрын

I left the mormon faith in my late teens. I was judged by my own church peers, and was directly told to leave that ward. I witness physical abuse upon my brothers. I was sexually abused by a family member. The violence got so bad that the bishop of the local ward had to drive out to the place which took an hour to get my dad under control. My dad wasn't a bishop but he was up there in the standing of the church. My dad grew up in a small town where there is a mormon temple, and a strict up bringing. Heck one of my relatives was named after Brigham young. I tried to end my life at an early age and I am here today twice as strong. I suffer from PTSD from my childhood as I was diagonsed this new year day. People ask me if I would ever go back to the church, not after what I saw. My dad family can be traced back to Utah and farther. My mom is American who married into the faith. We are all Canadian born except for my mom who has dual and was born in Kansas. I want to say thank you to these two for telling their story as it made me want to tell this part. Kudos for them being stronger than I regarding this. I have to stop now as it is bringing up painful memories of the past, and I haven't learned the tools yet to keep my PTSD under control. I wish some day I can.

@niteflitetheknitter 2 жыл бұрын

I've been to a Mormon wedding reception (I was never Mormon) where they did do a commitment ceremony before the party, and the officiant made a big deal about how this is not the norm and oh my gosh the bride and groom are so thoughtful to want to include us. That felt weird.

@lindseylong6229 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan and Mckay I'm a fellow utah band nerd exmo lol and i too played the sax! I LOVED YOUR VIDEOS on the temple ceremonies and your videos on DCP. Keep the excellent content coming!

@whitajeman 7 ай бұрын

Ive consumed all 3 parts in the last 2 days and my heart has been broken and then stitched back up hearing Jordan and McKays story. I appreciate the depth that all 4 of you were willing to go into as I felt seen and related to so much of what was talked about. Thank you all! ❤

@clandestineism 2 жыл бұрын

I love this series and this show. There's so much love here.

@orsonbroadbent3453 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your honesty thanks for sharing your story

@sleepymoonray 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, Jordan you deserve all the happiness in this world. You are such a strong person.

@themidcenturyzillennial 2 жыл бұрын

I love you all but I’m so so excited to finally hear Jordan and McKays stories. You’re doing good things, thank you for being vulnerable and sharing your truth.

@leannbrower3152 2 жыл бұрын

McKay this made me love you even more. The way you talked about the people from South America. I was so worried about the people coming here. I was afraid they would be hurt or killed by American people.

@bodytrainer1crane730 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Mormon Stories for this amazing interview. May I ask where I can find the show notes? I looked in the description but I didn't see them.

@CarahBurrell 2 жыл бұрын

They will be there within 48 hours of the episode airing.

@margenn3889 2 жыл бұрын

Jordan I am struggling to hold back the tears as you describe your c section and you being able to feel everything. You are a very strong lady. I wish you nothing but happiness for the future. Thanks for sharing the good, bad and the ugly of your lives. You and McKay were so lucky to find each other. McKay the love you showed as Jordan went through her story restored my faith in love.

@jenshahhater 2 жыл бұрын

our labor and delivery stories are similar however i wasn’t laying there blaming myself. i am so sorry that you had to deal with that on top of everything else happening that day. you are a strong woman 🤍