@Marc O Gorman What do you mean by what?

@@almosthelpless9374 What do you mean by mean?

He ate word salad.

What do you mean by morning?

Breakfast is ineffable

I get you point but something like believe can’t be objective quantified. Let’s take the pedophile priests from the Catholics church. They state that they believe in good but do they act like they do? So that’s a valid question… what do they mean by believe?

"believe" is that you are convinced that of the claim is true!

@@wtfjesus8251 maybe this is technical correct but let’s say those criminal priests were to have a debate with another believer about the Christianity would they be talking about the same thing given their actions? That’s why JP don’t like this question

Postmodernism? Then was Bill Clinton a postmodernist? "what do you mean by 'lie'"? Postmodernism is simple a method to obfuscate for undoubtedly various reasons

@@skumflum3768 the answer is very simple. Jordan Peterson is left leanign when it comes to God and Universtiy even, but he says the opposite of what he truly believes in order to maintain his right wing donaters and book buyers on Amazon. He is now a millionaire bsed solely on his right wing memes, despite that he doesnt believe them personally. His pattreaon went form 5k to 80k per moneth aroufnt he time he receved 200K form the Rebel media (an extreme right wing rag in Canada) when he denouced pronouns. It isnt chump change he would be denying were he to set the recrod straight.

Because he doesn't want to get it. Ravi Zacharias tried to use the same straw man years ago and got shot down. Normal people recognise evil because evolution has drilled it into us. Evil is that which insults life. Zacharias tried to say if you recognise evil you believe in god. That's bullshit. Empathy is life affirming and selected for in evolution. The opposite isn't.

Peterson doesn't want to understand. That's why he believes in God, the easy answer to everything. Understanding logic is too hard for him.

@@zapkvr not only were his arguments bullshit he was a sexual predator. Ravi was an insult to life.

Peterson doesn't get alot of things

@@clarkkent1521 I don't think that's quite it. I don't think it's just because it's the easy answer. I think what's true of Peterson is what's true of a lot of people - the scare tactics worked. The idea of an eternity of suffering in Hell as the consequence to not believing is scary enough that he wants to believe in God so that he can avoid that outcome. The issue is that he's smart enough to realize that just coming out and saying "I believe that God is real because I'm really scared of Hell" isn't even close to an intellectually rigorous defense of his position. In fact it's likely (as is the case with many religious folks) that they're not even consciously aware they're ultimately being driven by the fear that was instilled in them, often at a very young age. So he has to come up with these exceedingly incoherent rationalizations to delude himself into a sense of security since he lacks the courage to genuinely explore the idea that God may not exist. But understandably so to some extent, because he's been told there's an eternity of torture awaiting those who deny God. Peterson's issue is similar to Shapiro's issue. They undeniably have some high specs on their neurobiological hardware, but that hardware has been provisioned with some really shitty software so the output is still garbage. They're just better at abstracting their garbage outputs (ie making word salads) so it can be harder for the average person to see the flaws in their reasoning.

My brain is also in recovery mode but for different reason...

Will never get old!😂

Know this!! There is 1 god and Jesus is the messiah

@@goobergoob1281 🤣

This is the guy who said psilocybin proves a God. He's not as intelligent as people give him credit for.

More of an indictment of religion in my eyes than Peterson himself. People try to worship him because people are becoming increasingly desperate for a leader. On the one hand, he's a college professor and a boomer. Those two things alone are enough to tell us what kind of flaws this man has. On the other hand, he is a boomer with _actual advice_ that millenials can use. Is it really any wonder they're worshipping him?

@Sam more like typical of a bigoted Christian.

Its simply because of his fear of losing his donors who are all right wing. No one on the left is feeding him any money. He has to maintian the Fountainhead Ayn Rand epitome of a yong man, i.e. christian, works hard for the family without complaining about rich people. His book isnt just a way to get depressed kids out of their room, its to put them on the frontlines of slavery to oligarchs. There are countless self help books on the market that are more science bsed and less idealogical.

Because questions like "do you believe in god" are not usually asked to get an honest answer those types of questions are asked to direct the conversation/debate in the direction that the person who is asking the question wants to so by not actually answering the question (and questions of this kind) you are refusing to fall into their trap, it's debate rules 101

@@shadowmere3587 It's a simple question, answerable by yes or no. Peterson only refuses to answer it because he doesn't want to offend his fanbase.

Yeah just like your message lmao.

@@Th3_Real_Sloth His comment was pretty cut and dry, don't know what you mean

@@Th3_Real_Sloth If you have trouble understanding the original comment, jesus christ help you.

@@Th3_Real_Sloth smol brain spotted

Jordan says God is what is good. He doesn't sound very intelligent, much less profound. And Mr Lopez is obviously a J Peterson fan.

Dang it, I was gunna say that!

I bet 5 years ago you were getting hard over Peterson..

Eh this is just Kyle pandering to his audience. I haven’t listened to Jordan Peterson except a few minute clips that pop-up. But I don’t really know what he has to do with the progressive movement we are trying to establish. This character attack on him just alienates our movement and for what popularity points? We can’t even win an election though, nor can we keep away from snake emojis. So idk I’m about done believing significant change for the better is possible in this country. I’m gonna do what I can to buy some land and build a village where people help each other thrive, because watching this shit and waiting for us all to get involved and politicians to listen is a fucking waste of time.

@@JohnDoe69986 JBP is a notable name in right wing circles, that's why, by going after the figure heads of the right wing we expose that the right wing is devoid of actual substance, and the hope is that it will collapse under it's own weight of stupidity. The idea behind it is cutting the head off a chicken and watching it run around before it dies.

Yep

Kyle isn't an atheist he's agonistic. He's said this many times.

Atheism implies knowledge that’s unknowable.

Everyone is agnostic

@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla Not really, Atheism is a simple lack of belief. They simply aren't convinced a deity exists, many atheists and christians are agnostic.

@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla You either believe or don't believe in a god (or gods). Atheism and theism have nothing to do with gnosticism. Any reasonable atheist is agnostic, because you can't really prove a negative. Claiming to be only an agnostic is a cop-out.

its worse, its basically this bit from xavier renegade angel kzfaq.info/get/bejne/idRnhNmfzbDLlXU.html&ab_channel=XajuJjaka

I know right. I have never wasted my time listening to these two. But all it took was a few minutes, and I am thinking who the hell listens to those two and takes them seriously?

Yes and know. In my opinion what he said was totally correct, but he didn’t answer the question (which was poorly built)

I understood what he said and I'm a communist. Interesting isn't it how someone with a complete opposite view of conservatism can understand their opposition better than you.

When I listen to Jordan I am reminded of panning for gold. Much of what he says doesn't really register, but then comes a glimmer of gold.

He is more focused on finding the meaning of words than giving clear answers. I bet his favorite book must be a dictionary.

haha! He is the biggest offender of that rule.

Ok guys. Maybe instead of trying to "own" someone you could ask yourself "Why do these two things seem so contradictory?". I won't answer the question definetly because I don't know myself. I would however speculate that you can't be precise without first having done a little bit of fumbling. I guess he's trying to articulate a feeling or one of those thoughts one can have that sort of lurks and seems profound in your head but goes away whenever you try to grab it. Please tell me I'm not the only one having those

@@ambjornborjesson5481 Come, come! JBP has had years to gather his thoughts and formulate/articulate a reasonably coherent response to this question - especially as he has been asked it directly many, times since his rise to fame. Bearing in mind that this is a man who has researched and published a paper on the *psychology of belief* try applying his own maxim here - see what you come up with. "If you can't figure out what someone is doing or why, look at the outcome - and infer the motivation." -- Jordan Peterson Even if you don't find something suspiciously disingenuous about his ramblings and you fully accept that he does indeed genuinely struggle with his definition of such words as 'believe' and 'god', whilst this all so very elusive, so difficult for him to achieve any real clarity, he has no damn business telling other people what THEY 'believe' on the matter of 'god'. Does he! .

@@dmob881 Yeah that is a very good point. He doesn't have any business commenting on that. I don't think years of trying formulate something is always enough though. Many people spend their entire lives trying to understand themselves without ever doing it.

His channel is called secular talk- he’s been doing atheism vs religion videos for 10 years. I assume you’re comparing this to him resisting getting into the sexual harassment allegations against jimmy doore by Anna, in which case, you’re drawing a false comparison and you know it.

@@markmirabella4066 Do you even know what you're talking about? "I hate Drama", his expression, not mine. Drama videos are about dirty laundry in general, no mystery here. And both instances are about "drama", so no inconsistency on my part. PS: It's atheists vs religion and not "Atheism", but nice freudian slip regardless.

@@ffxiisucks yes I do. You clearly don’t.

@@markmirabella4066 Sure thing, you really showed me. Better go back to tell your middle school friends and boast about it.

He should open a chain of word salad bars. But he only eats meat...

Then you're not listening

@@kentfink9509 you're taking him outta context!!1

I understood what he said. It wasn't the most clear message but there was a message there.

@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla The message I understood is that he thinks dodging a question defeats it.

@Marc O Gorman What's wrong with Jimmy?

@@phobos2068 he's a grifter

@@phobos2068 gateway for anti vaxx misinformation

@@sladeTek No he isn't. He took the vaccine. What kind of antivaxxer takes the vaccine? That sounds like the worst antivaxxer of all time. He has said a thousand times he is anti mandate, which is what every self proclaimed liberal should be.

@Sam Farza He's quite literally the most liberal lefty out there. People call him a grifter because he shits on the squad and the dems. Which imo are the only people lefties should be shitting on. Dunking on republicans is easy and lazy. Moreover it is fruitless because it doesn't create any pressure for "progressives" in congress to do what they were voted in for.

Ngl, I'd love to see that

Don’t forget Dr. Phil…..with a milk mustache.

What do you mean by grew?

Hahaha yeah so true. He thinks he's so smart by harping on the most ridiculous semantic arguments

"Did 'Jordan' grow a beard or did my superficial anterior cranium produce tangible material that you perceive as hair?"

What do you mean by tangible? Do you mean subatomic forces interacting with each other? Or do you mean the intellectual abstraction of tangible?🤣🤣🤣🤣

He’s so strange.

But may not answer the question cause he may know if he believes or not

The only acceptable answer is (and always will be): "Yes there is a God, the flying spaghetti monster"

@@zidneya 2007 has entered the chat.

@@professorstratios8228 Rubbish. Pastafarianism is eternal :)

Haddaway 1993: "What is Love ?"

That's another thing people do. You can 'tell' when someone's been good to you but you really have to *know* someone to tell if they're a good person, and even then situations can change that.

@@nfzeta128 ...That's kind of the rub: No one really knows anyone outside of themselves.

How can you just 'tell' when someone is good? MSNBC : They believe everything we say LOLO🤣

That's a subjective question , not base on objectivity. You would not be pick for the debating team.

@@roboparks ?? Which was the intent? Are you okay?

Oh my god. 🤣

Amen to that! 😎

I read prom pics. lol haa

Jesus. Lol.

Mother Marybwith child Jesus.

Or he's full of it. Lol

@@yes-wo7qn no, he certainly doesn’t have all the answers like some people think, but he’s not full of it.

Watch his podcast with john vervaeke. Thatll give you some insights on petersons definition of God

I'm not buying it. Everything Peterson does is some form of manipulation. A narcissist will play the victim as soon as someone calls them out for being a douchebag. It's Karen crying 1-0-1 : kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fLiSoNaCmL27j2g.html It's also how they hide their anger and hatred. Has anybody noticed how he always needs a minute or so until he get's himself into the right crying mood. He sure wouldn't pass an audition for an acting class. He can't even fake it properly.

High on God, bro. 🙏🏼

It depends on what you mean by God.

@@cennon Jeah but JP didnt say that lol he acted like he wont answer but then says that there definetly is a god.

@@t.rebentisch2777 and it depends on what you mean by mean.

​@@t.rebentisch2777 Remember the rule number 6 of JP 6 Set your house in order before you criticise the world and the rule number 10 of JP 10 Be precise in your speech on the 6 rule, he is talking about activist and young ppl, that obviously dont clean their rooms and have issues so dont have the right to public critique of the world. It does not apply it to him, friends or ppl with similar ideas... on the 10 rule, it is about young ppl that is not clear on their speech or any oppositor old of young that don't say what he want they to say. It does not apply to him, neither any person with similar ideas, because his ideas are clear by itself and if other person don't understand is their problem...

The ravings of a lunatic

Well, it's kinda like evidence

Absolutely! More than any other debate, that exposes JP as just a word salad and bs preacher.

“You act like you believe in a god tho!” Also when he made his ideal atheist a literal terrorist it should have dismissed him from the conversation wholeheartedly….

Damn! Now I need to look that up 😂

'Cum Town' describes JP perfectly. Look it up and enjoy.

Very good. There seem to be two ways of framing the question. Does God exist as part of reality? Or, does reality exist as a manifestation of God's will? (I'm using the term reality as shorthand for something like 'what we experience') Framing it as a metaphysical question allows us to make progress toward an answer because it focuses attention on the nature of reality, with all the difficulty and uncertainty inherent in answering, instead of looking for empirical evidence for something that is by definition beyond the reach of such evidence. Put simply: does my direct experience of existing make more sense on a theistic or non-theistic metaphysics? That is a really difficult question to answer because we have to dissect the assumptions behind most everything we do. Yeah, and who is self-aware and intellectually honest enough to pull that off? But it's at least a starting point.

Well, that's why religion is based in "faith", not "fact", and why the idea of God/Gods across all human cultures are in some shape or form an ideal of what mankind ought to be. Every single culture on Earth has some sort of hero journey, or creation myth, or early mythical figure stories that form and reinforce the cultural norms, expectations, and values of that society. These are noble - dare I say, vital - elements of a functioning society. Religious stories, whether they're Christian or Greek mythology or any form of Pagan worship, are actually quite inspiring and cool. One could argue that modern day superheroes have an almost Greco-Roman-like mythology AND popularity behind them. We inherently know that Captain America isn't real, but that doesn't invalidate the principles he embodies. The trouble with religion starts when clerics insert themselves into political affairs. This was the intent with the US Constitution: to keep the Judeo-Christian values anchored into the laws and norms of the nation, while simultaneously removing the clerics' access to hard government power; the very problem that had plagued the great European societies from Antiquity all the way through the Napoleonic Age (freedom of religion AND separation of church and state). In my opinion, discarding religion/faith/deities out entirely and being godless is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. It's when we start taking men in robes with funny hats, big scepters, and incense swingers seriously as arbiters and messengers of higher powers - AND giving them palpable political influence (whether hard or soft) - is where evil brews.

@@brooklynbud1138 The US constitution is not based on judeo-christain values. It was modeled around ancient roman republic. Aka hellenic values. The judeo-christian thing is bullshit. Christain values more closely resemble the absolute monarchies back in Europe. These were modelled after christain values. not america.

No, they made up a LOT of it but if one studies ALL Religions (which is different than true spirituality, but not exclusive), we find a core of SAMENESS & that is where the TRUTH is found! Generally, it boils down to be kind, loving & forgive (but have discretion), & the Golden or Karmic Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. #MayYouBreatheTheBreathOfEternalLife! - Aloha!

@@MishaFlower You do realize Rome became Christian, yes? Yes there were Roman influences but the Judeo Christian influence is undeniable. The founding fathers were (mostly) devout Protestants. Seems like a very myopic detail to argue against rather than my point-at-large

@@theresasanders8251 I don't think figuring out that no one wants to be killed, raped, stolen from, lied to, etc. comes from a supernatural being, it's just a conclusion that any rational social culture would have to come to in order to be successful and not be barbaric. You can see it in other primate species as well.

Those oddly sound like names of fascist brainwashing courses.

That doesnt help with creating worker bee's though...

@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla Goal- forge independent thinking and autonomous citizens that can benefit the world. Intention would be the complete opposite of fascism. You might be weirded out by terms like “citizenship”, but by this I mean an understanding of our current system, other systems, and how to be involved.

@@sunnydlite-t8b That’s part of the problem. Also, makes it far harder to indoctrinate into religion and political influence.

Intelligent Americans? 😋

That's the difference between stalling and actually answering a question.

Well. I don't think they're remotely talking about the same thing. Kyle is talking in a categorical perspective, something quite common in science actually which leads me to believe this man is a big fan of science - which is really cool. Even tho JBP obviously is a fan of science as well having worked as a scientist, here I do believe he's trying to articulate a feeling rather than categorising facts. Does that make any sense?

That's the whole Redhat cult.

I understood what he was saying.

@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla Cool so what did he say?

@@micahgelfand8282 He was talking about how non religious people often stereotype and aggressively attack believers for having a religion without acknowledging any nuance conversation they just use a pre-made conclusion to try to fight with religious people.

For Peterson God is unfathomable, meaning it cannot be fully understood or explored.

He's completely incoherent, comes with being a cowardly propagandist.

@@snapgab Do not tell me that the postmodern Marxism that took over all the academies that is the greatest danger to western civilization is propaganda? It can not be!!! I saw it in Prager U! by JP and obviously it was not conservative propaganda... or how since 2016 the postmodern marxist that controls the goverments approved the c 16 in Canada now they arrest teachers and all kinds of people for not using a proper pronoun for a transgender? JP predicted that's what would happen if passed that law, don't tell me he was just being a propagandist??? I cannot believe it... nooo jp... noooo...

You puff Peters

Who says God is good? The god of the Old Testament is a bloodthirsty, nasty, jealous, venial entity.

@@RojirigoD you know sarcasm is really hard to do in-text.

Lol, he's just crying because he's dramatic and has deluded himself.

@@jw5117 If he's deluded himself, it means he believes.

I'm pretty sure, he is the believer!

Peterson is on the edge of a spiritual and religious awakening, but secular academia has corrupted him.

Tom Cruise Nuked My Account Peterson is in the edge of secular academic awakening but religious quackery has corrupted him. There í fixed it for yoy

Yeah, this was my takeaway as well. Guy's been through quite a bit lately, plus he's always been very emotional.

Possibly because he's chemically/emotionally imbalanced from abusing benzos.

@@liquidrufus He's always been chronically depressed, even prior to his addiction, and is arguably the cause of his addiction.

It's more likely due to his wife and child being deathly ill, while simultaneously being disingenuously smeared in the corporate media. But keep being a smug jerk and pretending like you know what you're talking about. I've seen what benzo withdrawals do to close friends of mine, and its fucking terrible.

@@zetablade7018 his wife and daughter are ill?

Don't forget the crying, that's an essential part of the trick

The reason Petersen pisses a lot of people off if because he often gives answers that are blunt and to the point and too direct for many people's tastes. He can talk a lot and often ties together several strings of thought of different types. But then so do people on the left like Slavokj Zizek and even Naom Chomsky, both of whom I admire.

He clearly believes whatever lallyploggy he’s saying. You’ll never find a religious person who can give a direct answer without being it being dissected and proven wrong. Clearly, he’s played mind games with himself and somehow has justified his belief but can’t communicate it. But who cares? These people that attack the religious just come off as pompous assholes. Petersons a good man, a smart man and if he cries because he feels the “lord” then that’s wonderful! I wish I could feel something like that again.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be transformed from one form to another. What’s the source?

You all want god to be not real so bad. Why?

Those people are much more tolerable on the subject

It's just another excuse to do not give straightforward answer.

@@adamgates1142 Not really

@@radicaldradcliffe4201 Spiritual is a lot different from being religious though .

@@gregDino32 Not in any practical sense to the nonreligious besides just being less dogmatic about it. I mean yeah, we Prefer spiritualists to the religious, but we still think spiritualists are full of it. We'd just rather be near the crazy person who won't bring the Inquisition down on our heads if they had things their way.

Sounds like a problem with your friend.

So he listens to Peterson but doesn’t follow his advice?

I knew a guy who took Paterson up to that level also, and his brother took Joe Rogan as a father figure hahaha.. they gained the same things as your friend from listening to those people

If he’s not cleaning room and not being a political activist taking to the streets. Then he’s following the rule properly.

@ABCDEFG we are not in the US, so we don't have anything like the 2nd amendment here, its more stuff like, woman should know their place, and strong man should lead the world, and leftist are pussies who can't admit that, also economically, all of left wing criticism about inequality can be ignored because it can all be explained away by the biblical story of Kain and Abel, wealthy and powerful people are just resented by the weak and lazy poor people because of jealousy and envy, but the situation in reality is actually just because everybody more or less gets what they deserve.

I have found some of Jordan Petersons video's really interesting and helpful in the past. I'm not religious but it's still interesting hearing him talk, he seems like a genuinely good person that cares about people. I'm really put off though by his vocal "anti woke" asshole fanboys that fucking love him. but other than the anti pc stuff they really don't seem to have the same outlook on life.

@@joevines3428 I think JP could be a good starting point for someone who wants to learn more about psychology, but anything deeper is a waste of time IMO. The worst thing about him is his cult-like following.

@@joevines3428 _Does_ he seem like a nice person though? I'm not convinced.

Wait do Americans say 'alligator tears'? Lol the expression is 'crocodile tears' in Europe. TIL

@@RenewedRS lol, no. I used the wrong phrase. 😒

I heard Einstein was inspired by the Talmud when he came up with his theory of relativity.

Can you remind us when Peterson had his shit together?? He always did this obfuscating nonsense when he talked. In those short clips of his lectures, when he appears to be saying something intelligent, if you watch the entire lecture he always devolves into this babbling nonsense. There is a reason his audience is almost exclusively young men (yeah, some are in their 40s) who are looking for something deep but can't really understand anything of depth.

He talks to anyone. He has spoken to many sides

@@Jeremy-ql1or good point

But who has the more eyerolling word salad, him or Deepak Chopra?

Surprised Peterson isn't planning on running for office.

Anyone who explains to you all the answers of the world isn't telling you the truth.

@@timstarkes173 but if someone can't tell you whether they believe in something or not especially if they are talking about it for decades, they are lying as well.

@@darwinxavier3516 Deepak is a light-years above Peterson, fractally wrong about everything

The church of satan has unironically done more to create religious liberty in America than any religious organization

I suppose that you will say that the US was founded upon enlightenment values, as opposed Judeo-Christian values!

@Jebus Hypocristos It is Judeo-Christian values that allowed the enlightenment to ever see the light of day. Think about it. What if the Judeo-Christian values were more like Islamic jurisprudence? Would the enlightenment EVER happen?

atheists do not have a moral standard . If you did you wouldn't be an atheists. No moral standard can be proven by empirical evidence. So for a atheists to demand empirical evidence is laughable.

@@rachelcarson7809 The church of Satan is a actual religion they are not atheists . They have a moral standard. atheists do not

You so smart ☺️

@@dsmithprogrammer Being clever enough to spot a grifter who is dodging questions because he has no good answer is a low bar for smart, but thanks.

His spiel at the beginning truly was a great example of "strawmanning." He relayed the fantasy debate in his head, against made-up people with made-up arguments, and then beat down on those arguments as if they were unilaterally representative of the other side. In one sentence (0:18) he complains that he doesn't like to be asked what he believes, and moments later (0:45) he is rhetorically asking his strawmen what they believe instead.

@@thelastlostcause4148 Exactly, it is unintelligible nonsense shared in way that confuses the slow. I will give him one thing, he knows his target audience pretty well.

@@c.j.giordano2129 It is not clear you understand what the term means from your post. Jorden was gish-galloping empty nonsense as a reply to a question he did not want to respond to honestly. Perhaps it is time you bone up on your existentialism studies. If you thought Peterson's rambling bullshit that was meant to distract you from the question asked was attached existentialism you are part of his ideal target audience. No one thinks you understand the concept now. Way to out yourself.

I honestly have no idea what he's talking about most of the time.

@@markhaunert5029 there is good therefore there is god. Its pretty obvious he’s one of the greatest intellect to ever walk the earth with that logic

I'm pretty sure Ben Shapiro holds that spot.

@@markhaunert5029 Well that's why you don't have a PhD isn't it.

@@markhaunert5029 I didn’t have any idea what he was talking about either… until I actually started listening to him without being biased. Now I follow and like him!

It could very well be, if it exists. Im sure in an alternate reality there is a religion where the devil is in fact a lobster :P

@@busterwilson It doesn't have to be an alternate reality. There are more than 4000 religions.

@@JamesDavy2009 Sure Im aware, but I don't think any of them represents the devil as a lobster.

@@busterwilson One represents God as pasta so it's not that big a stretch.

The Devil is the paradoxical axiom of Messiah

Everyone does that instinctually.

He skirted around the idea that good and bad doesn’t need to be personified. It can be and that’s the belief that most ppl think of or at least speak of colloquially. A better usage of god would be a force or just an idea or ideal to strive toward, a point that he makes tons of times. There is a reason why the abrahamic religions say not to worship idols.

It's only when someone is studying the matter that they truly separate the chapter of religion.

Your culture has primed you to do that. You need to break the habit of judging people by their beliefs.

@@BassenGaming Writing paragraphs of misinformation and ignorance doesn't make you more informed about religious belief.. I would ask you stop senselessly crusading against religion and focus your energy on the actual bad parts of religion which if you open your eyes you'll realize the bad actors associated with religion are actually a very small minority.

He just stole that from the military. Discipline is easy to learn without JP

@@the_endgame Oh for sure and that’s what I’m getting at. JP has a very specific father-figure appeal to a lot of young-ish guys who need that. And he bases it with fairly straightforward self-help psychology that a lot of texts and other people talk about. But he hooks people and almost becomes a cult of personality with dangerous one-sided views. It’s painfully obvious a lot of the advice he gives out is really advice he’s personally trying on for size. He’s probably only “dangerous” to people who would make him their ultimate opinion to look up to.

@@martinaee i find it hilarious that JP's only unimpeachable rhetoric is the first thing you learn in from your parents as a little kid. The military it's also the first thing. People are just ignorant to think that this guy is anything less than a mediocre mind who loves hearing himself talk.

I agree with him 100%

Patrick Moore, the founder an past president of Greenpeace, and a climatologist has some interesting things to say about climate change that made me rethink my position. Taking what Peterson said about climate change and boiling it down to ‘there is no evidence’ is misleading at best.

@@JoJo-vg8dz why do you agree with provable falsehoods?

@@Dead_Guy_Bob A 12y old can prove that CO2 greenhouse effect is BS to begin with.

The initiator of climate propaganda was Maurice Strong an oil tycoon , good friend of David Rockefeller , another oil tycoon obsessed by the creation of a global government ruled by bankers and a rich elite. Rockefeller founded the bilderberg , the trilateral , he funded UN , he also founded the Club of Rome (about ecology). When an oiligarch talk about ecology , you can bet it's propaganda serving another agenda.

I feel bad for his wife. She got cancer and his way of coping was to lose his shit completely.

That would explain a lot.

His comparative mythology theories reveals his ‘mummy issues’. His wordsalad suggests that all other myths actually justify his religion, like a crazy person, but leaves out most examples. He argues like a right winger. No substance, just con. He should stick to his 90s self help schtick.

Didn't he like, almost die twice, and had to be treated in Russia and Serbia? Once due to his diet, then he almost died due to COVID-19 if I remember correctly.

He sounds like me when I’ve taken too much Dexedrine.

Ineffable

@@izzyt100tovar4 "Ineffable" like in "[we] devulged [from lobsters]" (Peterson)?

+ all his income, I assume 🥴

🤣

Best internet comment of the day! LMAO

Dawg you clearly don't understand what hes saying

@@SuperCakeKing we do. We just don't buy his fence sitting.

His "bootstraps" psychology is incredibly one-sided and basic, even if it can be useful to a certain demography. This is the reflect of his whole way of processing concepts on a wider range.

I have often seen that on some topics he comes off as painfully naive.

Yep, he has a "believe" the others, evidence!

Push him to define what he means by modern and I bet that wouldn't go well. How the hell did he ever pass a philosophy course? That kind of term "modern" is what my philosophy professors would push back against and require more comprehensive explanations on what I'd be trying to say. Peterson talks like an edgy high schooler, how the hell is he a professional psychology instructor?

His 'lectures' on psychology are bullshit galore, typical for an impostor who faked his bio and never had any education in the field.

uncomfortable? AHAHAHAHAHAHA sounds like post Dawkins garbage. You can leave the fantasy world they created for you, its been buried for a long time.

TL, DR: Sometimes when they answer complex questions, I don't understand what is going on.

@@tonybanks1035 You sound incredibly uncomfortable. Also, news flash but people were dismantling clowns like JP and Ben Shapiro long before Dawkins ever existed because none of their ideas are original. It's the same tired conservative horseshit repackaged for today's young and impressionable.

@@HappinessDIY Neither do they. It's evident in that there are infinite interpretations to any given thing JP may say. Even his fanboys don't interpret it the same way. Being vague isn't intelligence, it's cowardice

@@tonybanks1035 JP is what you get if Alex Jones gets a PhD. Still nonsense, he just uses a richer vocabulary to express it. His thinking is just as conspiratorial. He thinks LGBT activists will bring authoritarian communism to the West. He thinks climate change is a hoax. He thinks public health policies led to Nazism. Just standard unprovable right-wing conspiracy theories

Please don’t put that out I couldn’t handle that much nothing being said

He is cliental Psychologists that is how they talk . Have you ever been to therapy? . Your therapist isn't going to give his or her personal view on politics or religion. If they do find a new one.

@@roboparks so are Rubin and JP having a convo here or is this a therapy sesh? Isn’t it a bit condescending that Kermit treats everyone he speaks to like they’re a client? These guys are pandering to their right wing audience with this drivel. Nothing more, nothing less.

@@roboparks He's been a political figure for years now; who are you kidding

@@darkhorse381 Who ? Peterson? Ya how relates to Psychology or the human ethos and mythos that's different.

Peterson: _"What do you mean by 'what'?"_ Peterson cultists: "So deep..."

Peterson is a devout Christian, it’s not a secret.

@@kpeezyforsheezy He was an atheist. He's slowly become more accepting of Christian ideas.

@@CarlosRodriguez-dh7mm no he hasn't

It’s the theist job to define god. If god as defined as “nature”. That’s kind of a cop out on the definition. Evidence has to be demonstrable . Otherwise everything is subjective and hearsay. Peterson isn’t atheistic in the slightest, he just pretends to be agnostic. Seriously listen to his debate with dillahunty.

@@CarlosRodriguez-dh7mm unless he's becoming Catholic, he's a blasphemer and condemned to hell

What do you mean by "depends"? What do I mean by "mean"? oh my oh my...this is going to be a long one....

That's probably why Kyle had to explain all the different possibilities of what the question could mean

It's like watching a child actor crash and burn. He was just a teacher nobody. Then fame came and all of a sudden someone is a frail misunderstood culture icon. Give me a break 😂

For a man who follows his diet, I'm still wondering how can he function. The word "unhealthy" doesn't even begin to cover it.

Absolutely. He's so clearly unstable and what's weird is that hardly anybody dares point that out.

Omg I know it's strange

I remember reading an article about how therapists have high suicide and depression rates. Broken people help broken people though. Sometimes the only people willing to help are those who need it too.

I reckon from your name you're Peterson's biggest fan?

People need to stay away from all or nothing positions, especially with people in mind. His religious beliefs were always nonsense, that doesn't invalidate everything about the man.

I don't know if it's a grift but it always seem so out of place when he cries lol

And monumentally cringey 😄

I really pity you if your focus is on someone crying as being a negative. You truly are a waste of space on this planet.

@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla damn homie, you're allowed to think it's funny when someone cries.

@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla found the Peterson fan. We got 'im boys.

You get more likely to be set in your ways as you get older, granted, but what those "ways" are kind of depends on what you believed before. People don't "get more conservative", they stay the same (relative) degree of conservative or not that they were as younger people by and large. Society just moves forward, making it more likely that people set in their ways will be left behind unless they change. Like if you were some stoner flower-child in the 60's-70's, it's pretty unlikely that you're gonna somehow reverse on that and become Mitch McConnell out of nowhere on the topic of weed and war just because you got old.

@@patchwurk6652 "People don't "get more conservative", they stay the same (relative) degree of conservative or not that they were as younger people by and large." Rave Dubin and Gulsi Tabbard: hold my beer lol

@@Rob_Cary Lol, Grifters are as old as the human race. And Dave Rubin/Tulsi just saw the next grift. Cons gotta con.

@@patchwurk6652 The rule is when you're exposed as a fraud or a hack, you get your name reversed but Tulsis doesn't have the same ring to it lol

My grandfather became like this. His conclusion is everything is bullshit. All u can do is a life according to your values and achieve goals and desires one wants while you live a moral and ethical life Of course he has some ideology mainly a liberal. But as he got older he just stopped having mental pains in trying to hear the bullshit people spout. He rather have a gin and tonic and play cards with his family cause ranting about god or how trump might be a russian puppet is all bullshit narratives

It's actual a very difficult thought exercise. "Define evil." Not bad acts, not mental illness, not PTSD illness, but "evil"... what is it?

@@fugginahole Evil is when you get satisfaction from causing harm.

"There's no such thing as pure evil."

@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla This is my conclusion as well, so far. I'm open to gain new understanding on the subject, though.

@@brothersandsistersofvalhalla That's because there's nothing in the real world that's a completely pure thing.

So you attack him with 2 ad homenims and have no real argument. Good job.

@@kentfink9509 Define "no" and "him" and "you". I don't agree with any of those assertions or your answers.

@@kentfink9509 He attacks himself by being a walking meme. You Peterson stans are so 2016.

@@kentfink9509 Jordan Peterson just tries to make simple discussions unnecessarily complex by playing semantics with words and ultimately says nothing insightful.

@@kentfink9509 ad hominem* And it's not, since whiny Jordy has enough material for these affirmations to be demonstrable. You didn't even try, did you?

No, you don't understand..... (etc etc ad infinitum...)

To be fair, I think Rubin came off as the more sane one in this exchange.

😂

@@jackeagleeye3453 yikes.... Not a sentence you think you would ever see

@@jackeagleeye3453 Yeah, but frankly Rubin is so bland and conventional that sanity is really his only option. At least the clinically or criminally insane are interesting in their own right.

Why though? Why was he afraid of meeting his Magic Sky Daddy.

@@hegyak Being an atheist myself I think that’s an unfair statement… People search for hope and meaning in a hopeless and meaningless world and being close to death, his interpretation of god gave him that hope and meaning and that is absolutely okay… We should respect that as long as they’re not bothering anyone else.

​@@hegyak Benzo addiction is probably the most scary thing you can go through, he probably wasn't traumatized by the death factor, that sometimes seems like the easy option when you are dependant on benzos.

He was crying like that before that.

@@hegyak You must be feeling really good about your keyboard warriorship.

Peterson was never challenged throughout his life. The media gave him a podium and let him spread his bullshit completely unchallenged. People have thrown millions at him and what keeps him goping is selfishness and greed.