Jordan Peterson - Why People Love Pro Wrestling and Hockey

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Jordan Peterson - Why People Love Pro Wrestling and Hockey

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@fotingomaster 7 жыл бұрын

I fuckin love this guy so much. He's a human treasure.

@Silva4ox 7 жыл бұрын

clean your treasure box you messy infidel

@vaaleri 7 жыл бұрын

The argument "Well, do you believe in movies?" was great. That argument was right in front of my nose, just never thought about it like that. Really makes me understand fans of wrestling. I always compared it to other sports and didn´t think about it as a drama.

@passionatebraziliangirl.4801 5 жыл бұрын

@@zsolt100 Haha interesting I often find people without depth boring. I used to fall asleep in most classes except philosophy or literature or Greek or German for the words of these languages have complexity which lead for food for thought. As an intellectual I realised I need nurturing conversation but the simplorium teaches me that there another world out there yet they suffer hurt n laugh and rejoice n dream just like I do. On the other hand to strive not to be govern by emotions requires a level of sophistication. I find people who have low levels of education they can go on and on about nothing. They don't see the point of taking the conversation to the root of the problem which I find peculiar but not very attractive. The issue I see it is that some people are intellectually sophisticated but not very creative thus boring lovers. Those utube lectures are my daily cocaine. Thank you.

@Myndir 4 жыл бұрын

@Joseph McAuley "who really cares at the end of the day what others indulge in?" I don't think that they care about what others indulge in - they care about whether other people think that they're the type of person who cares about what others indulge in, from a position of superiority. As tends to happen when people make their esteem of themselves depend on what some other humans think, this does not lead to happiness.

@Kyouma. 3 жыл бұрын

@vaaleri: "Well, do you believe in movies?" Well, fun fact, they DO put certain true things in movies (especially Hollywood). People are then make to believe that those things can't be true and actually happening, 'cause it's just a movie. Movies are one of the biggest propaganda and programming tools - and most people still don't realize that

@vaaleri 3 жыл бұрын

@@Kyouma. sure, not sure how that relates to my comment tho

@orangemaniabrother2232 3 жыл бұрын

It's a drama of sorts, but some people actually watch it like a sport, cos if you think of it there's no fighting sport that loose with the rules with so many moves, and different types of matches. You take away the story, characters and good vs evil and there's still all that lol

@Zatoichi003 7 жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson finisher: Clean your room, sunshine. Automatic submission.

@worsethanjoerogan8061 7 жыл бұрын

Hilarious

@Zatoichi003 7 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome, hehe! Remember to slay your baby dragon of chaos, and in time, let it sort itself out, bucko. :)

@zciliyafilms5508 4 жыл бұрын

The finisher doesn't actually invoice him touching the other wrestler but instead gesticulating wildly until his opponent collapses into a trance.

@charleywalker9272 2 жыл бұрын

I made my bed today, and after that everything worked out. Thank you.

@FreneticZetetic 6 жыл бұрын

The fact Peterson is talking about Bret Hart - my favorite wrestler EVER - just made my entire week. I also love how he expresses suspension of disbelief w movies etc. Spot on.

@BitesizedPhilosophy 7 жыл бұрын

Hitman Hart documentary: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/br15kseQs7fJj6c.html Here is an older clip where Dr. Peterson talks about the documentary in more detail: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/bM2qYJqcz7uvn6M.html

@VortexGaming1121 6 жыл бұрын

Some people think he is this hyper pompous intellectual but this video shows you that he is not that different from you and me. Absolute top lad

@seanpgallagher22ify 7 жыл бұрын

This guy is amazing. He goes after so many different and interesting topics.

@giulianol 7 жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson making sex jokes. I like where his career is going lol

@jonasdamion1627 7 жыл бұрын

he was just laughing at the fact that someones sports team winning can effect their sex lives in that way

@RSanchez111 6 жыл бұрын

Jonas Damion imagine how many babies are going to be born in Houston nine months from now 😮

@perryperry99 4 жыл бұрын

Its called a joke, laught at it. 😁

@tangent272 7 жыл бұрын

I've watched that documentary, years ago, probably when it came out. Highly recommended from me too (for what that's worth). The best part for me was when Brett Hart was informed that, according to the script which he was contractually obliged to work with, he was now required to become a 'bad guy'. His solution to this problem was _epic_. He'd spent a lot of time building his good guy image and _wouldn't_ disappoint or disillusion his legions of fans, particularly the impressionable kids who looked up to him as a kind of exemplar of morals. So what he did was, he became a Canadian patriot. Standing on a stage in America he boasted about Canadian healthcare, Canadian crime rates, Canadian education and social welfare and he made sure to rub American's nose in these facts every chance he got. The American wrestling fans _hated_ it. Which made Hart officially a 'bad guy' in the primarily American wrestling federation he was contracted to. It was beautiful. If anything was ever going to make me take wrestling seriously it was that documentary.

@ahmadsarr4277 6 жыл бұрын

But is hulk stronger than Thor?

@MorseCodeStutters 6 жыл бұрын

I've been watching some old clips of WWE from the Attitude Era. On top of that I've also listened to some clips from Steve Austin's podcast. What I love seeing and listening about is the whole dichotomy between babyfaces (good guys) and heels (bad guys). There's something psychologically satisfying to not only see the babyface defeat the heel, but even more so, watching heels turn to babyface because despite their shit disturbance, the audience tend to fall in love with them. Best example is The Rock. When he was still Rocky Maivia and the champion, he became too basic and too generic of a good guy that people started to boo him. He had to turn heel, access and confront his shadow side more, and learn how to talk shit to the audience before he can turn back into a baby face with a bigger and stronger personality. His charisma was electrifying when he had the chance to stir a little chaos in the Nation of Domination, a bit more organized chaos as a member of The Corporation, until becoming The People's Champ when he individuated himself from BOTH factions. So listening to Jordan Peterson so much lately and taking in what he has to say about chaos and order, as well how we need groups but also a way to individuate ourselves, I've applied that all to wrestling and yeah it does boil down to a basic mythological drama with intense egos. Rocky Maivia was a generic hero, became champ, and remained too orderly thus became stale. The audience began to resent him so he fed into that by turning into a heel. As a heel, he developed his aggression, the kind of aggression that was missing him from his pure image as Rocky Maivia until he became The Rock as we know him today, being loud, boisterous, and full of amazing catchphrases. When he betrayed The Nation in favour of The Corporation, he was just trading one evil group for another. A group that which tried to make him identify as one of them. For a while he did identify as a group member, but because his personality was so strong he became more and more individuated until he went full circle turning back into a babyface. Fast forward to many years later when Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson stepped away from WWE and featured in some movies, he came back to wrestling AS a heel, or so he tried to be. Even when tried to back into being a bad guy, the crowd STILL loved him. To me this all speaks to how chaos and order, controlled within one unique individual as Dwayne Johnson AND his character The Rock, can make for some truly spectacular individuality in the greater whole.

@rafaelmartinez6922 5 жыл бұрын

Great dissection. I’m gaining a lot of insight into my life at the moment. I’m a baby face transitioning into a heel...and it feels good.

@Myndir 4 жыл бұрын

You can understand a lot working class Americans' experiences from the Stone Cold era. His character was that he was a tough and skilled guy who was held down by the Man who wouldn't let him win fair. He was rebellious and even sneaky himself, but it was justified by the fact that he was wrestling within an unjust system. I think that Dusty Rhodes was similar in the South. Similarly, Hulk Hogan's appeal in the 1980s was that he was the embodiment of mature American masculinity: strong and tough, but also kind and loyal. I remember watching WCW when I was young in the late 1990s/early Noughties and Booker T was also this archetype, which is interesting when you consider that WCW was popular in the Deep South and Booker T was black - a sign that working class Southerners aren't as racist as a lot of people think.

@MorseCodeStutters 4 жыл бұрын

@@Myndir Yeah Dusty Rhodes is a good example. Goldust was obviously a gay and flamboyant character, but his dad didn't care. He was just glad his son hit a goldmine of a character to play.

@jacobkent2457 7 жыл бұрын

His central message is fine, but it isn't "The World Wide Wrestling Federation" that Bret Hart was employed under. He was employed under the "World Wrestling Federation". The switch from WWWF to WWF happened after Vince McMahon bought the company from his father in the early 1980's.

@TheDemonCaine Ай бұрын

Same diff really. It's like how some people think WWF and WWE are different entities. They're not. They were just rebranded.

@thegunslinger8806 7 жыл бұрын

i am training to be a wrestlers and this just made my respect for Jordán go up astronomically, im so use to seeing wrestling get shit for everything and frankly im happy someone called it what it is and better yet talked about Bret hart im the documentary wrestling with Shadow, which if your reading this i recomend you watch.

@sidneybone3941 3 жыл бұрын

Bro I wanted to be a wrestler so bad when I was a kid, I knew EVERYTHING like moves, angles, storylines, like honestly even predicting some matches and I loved every second of it. Then when I hit 17 last year I just didn't like the product anymore. It was so silly and so dumb. So I tried NJPW and I liked it. But still it just sucks that right when I became an adult and had plans to do it, u started to not enjoy it anymore. Not even good wrestling. It broke my heart and still hurts.

@d1want34 5 жыл бұрын

"you know why people like violence? Because it feels good" - alan turing, the imitation game

@eodico 7 жыл бұрын

the clothesline from hell! is what got me

@ltakethefatlplease.3380 3 жыл бұрын

Never in my life I have expected to watch a video of Jordan Peterson one of my favorite philosophers, and writers talk about the hart family, and Bret the hitman along with ripping on the Toronto Make Believes (Maple Leafs I mean).

@flomccanuck8095 2 жыл бұрын

Watched him answer a rapid fun quiz. His favorite guilty pleasure, watching Trailer Park Boys. His favorite comedian John Cleese from Monty Python Flying Circus days. Low-brow humour's his thing 😅😅

@discoveryman59 4 жыл бұрын

As a male Leafs fan you no longer produce testosterone, the Leafs have lost for so long even the Leafs players look like they are devoid of testosterone.

@MGTOWPsyche 7 жыл бұрын

People are full of anger and rage, and team sports have become the new atheist church that gives the poor masses a sense of purpose and a reason to live while offering a governmental and socially acceptable sphere to offload your rage and anger. For a male that loves sports does not threaten women or the state!

@Keeronin 7 жыл бұрын

You MGTOW types are so up your own ass, thinking you're different to the "poor masses" who watch sports. I bet you play video games. Sure it's a good output for anger, but more importantly it's a team sport. You can act out your team fighting another team, and that's the good vs bad/order vs chaos archetype that Dr Peterson talks about. Just because you don't like sports doesn't mean you value things all that differently to the poor masses.

@MsSomeonenew 7 жыл бұрын

New? Sports have existed before all religions, and their purpose was always to exercise your combative nature without real combat... because the is at our core what we also want to do.

@vedics929 7 жыл бұрын

To the OP: And what are you? A Christian?

@element1111 7 жыл бұрын

The most damning thing about modern european football isn't that its a pressure release on tribal instincts, but just how fake it is given that most teams are not made up of local people. A team from London can play a team from Milan, yet the London team will be made up of South Americans and Iberians whilst the latter will be inundated with players from the Balkans and south east europe. Allegiance to sports teams has become something akin to a commodity. International fans, international players, brands instead of teams.

@MemoryDealer 7 жыл бұрын

Wow, that is one hell of a run-on sentence.

@blazinnub2097 7 жыл бұрын

Did he just call the Stanley Cup the silver cup?

@themeg1145 6 жыл бұрын

Nope he said a silver cup, in the sense of it being a symbol

@limitless1692 7 жыл бұрын

this guy can be really funny sometimes

@s.4155 6 жыл бұрын

Probably the funniest J. B. Peterson video ever. 😂

@thatwasprettyneat 7 жыл бұрын

i've honestly wondered about this for a long time

@brianmyers9989 7 жыл бұрын

What is this drAma he is talking aboot?

@alvincay100 7 жыл бұрын

dramamine?

@pointblank4805 7 жыл бұрын

Dramatization

@brianmyers9989 7 жыл бұрын

Canadian joke.

@robertf1720 5 жыл бұрын

Dramma

@chrisw1197 7 жыл бұрын

Why does he say drama like that? Is that how you are atcually supposed to pronounce it? Or is it just another word that Peterson says. He is also the only guy who doesn't have a British accent that I've heard use the word bloody

@joe-un1ky 6 жыл бұрын

Imagine that: people have different accents

@flomccanuck8095 2 жыл бұрын

Canadian here, we say bloody quite a bit, 🤔probably because of our British ancestry

@gianni206 Жыл бұрын

I’m so very interested in the idea of drama at different levels of sophistication

@zciliyafilms5508 4 жыл бұрын

That's a good biological explanation for why fans of winning teams have a greater tendency to riot.

@Russ668 3 жыл бұрын

I love pro wrestling. There is a period in my life I stopped watching it. Critics of pro wrestling would say you stopped watching cause it's fake? I was like I know it's fake. I stopped watching it cause it was no longer entertaining. I been watching it for years as of now. Love the Roman Reigns heel character. Do not care what anyone says.

@estefaniabouscayrol2802 4 жыл бұрын

That s why men need to chase a passion!

@TheDemonCaine Ай бұрын

This was cool to hear but pro wrestling can be very sophisticated. Sometimes there may be a low level of sophistication, but a lot of the time it can be very sophisticated. However, to see that there must be a certain level of understanding of how the artform works.

@dbowles1771 7 жыл бұрын

@claytonhilliard925 6 жыл бұрын

Maple Laffs getting blown the fuck out by Jordan Peterson. Will Toronto ever recover?

@diyman-kf3rg 6 жыл бұрын

Class video and advise, it's the way you say it 👍

@philyip4432 4 жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson is brilliant!

@nickmorgan8434 3 ай бұрын

I am here because i just asked myself this question ..does this apply to our leaders

@alainbellemare2168 5 жыл бұрын

hooked to the physiology provoked by the event

@2Syndras1Cup 7 жыл бұрын

Aint dippin tonoght, cuz ma team lost LMAO

@Razear 7 жыл бұрын

Peterson is the Vince McMahon of the conservative movement in Canada.

@snakemont 2 жыл бұрын

Wrestling with Shadows. The Bret Hitman Hart Documentary.

@bensenkhalib7199 7 жыл бұрын

lmaoooooooooooooooo I love this guy

@tslomka6272 4 жыл бұрын

Imagine if you are married to a Detroit Lions fan

@TripleDoubleDiamond 2 жыл бұрын

This is awesomeness

@thebadman7471 7 жыл бұрын

pro wrestling is awesome.

@demes756 7 жыл бұрын

Why are people comparing Entertainment wrestling to boxing or any other sports alike to hockey ? Your comparing a medium of entertainment to a sport which is illogical to do . WWE is about the suspension of disbelief , rather a drama . Greco roman , catch , sambo etc. are competitive martial arts . Wrestling in all of it's glory is very eyecatching in nature with it's various slams and such which can make it a medium of entertainment to many . Simply saying "I watch wrestling " is quite vague and it's sad that the assumption goes to WWE and not olympic or freestyle tournament's . Wrestling in general I think has been somewhat discredited as a medium of dudes in spandix and insanely ripped bodies fighting over arbitrary dramas rather than disciplined and insanely dedicated martial artist . Even though I hate to pick on semantics and such , WWE isn't really wrestling , because it merely isn't a sport nor a competitive combat medium . Sameway a choreographer isn't a wrestling guru because he can mimic a hip toss .

@robmacleod9225 7 жыл бұрын

It goes far beyond just embodying good and evil battling things out in a lowbrow manner. There are a few archetypical match structures used by wrestlers to create their matches and they resemble the steps of the Hero's journey. I worked as a pro-wrestling ring announcer for a few years and saw wrestlers plan their match backstage to execute it. I think it aligns closely with Peterson's overarching idea of entering chaos and re-emerging with something of value. This isn't a great video, but it highlights the stages of story telling in a match. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fNacepV5scuXqWQ.html

@ilyem999 6 жыл бұрын

Daaaaaaaamn

@Sanguiluna 7 жыл бұрын

Of course the wrestling of today (or rather the AMERICAN wrestling to be precise; the Japanese stuff is still quite good) is so dumbed down and far removed from what it used to be that any thematic properties have long been stripped away. Used to be that wrestling was where you could watch men become demigods or demons, if only for a couple hours. Now it's just men becoming assclowns or being extra-ordinary (not extraordinary) versions of their already mundane true selves.

@fabiolatorres4020 6 жыл бұрын

just when I thought I couldn't live him more, I come across this video 😍

@ameenr9129 4 жыл бұрын

I love him too

@licksnkicks1166 3 жыл бұрын

I just adore this man!

@themeg1145 6 жыл бұрын

Wrestling is like watching a movie or a magic show, you suspended your disbelief during the show and go with the story

@GridironMasters 2 жыл бұрын

its stunt theater. the bouts are not real usually but what they are doing is.

@loicrgl8117 4 жыл бұрын

for the 10 first seconds I thought I was about to watch a comedy stand up

@fayfp9148 2 жыл бұрын

King

@Spetsop 3 жыл бұрын

Toronto Maple Leafs fans' testosterone levels must be up now for a while since the Leafs are the best team in the league this year (as of Feb. 2021) lolol... Go Leafs Go! Wives must be happy too 😉😏Lolz

@destroyerinazuma96 7 жыл бұрын

When I watched Battle Royale for the first time, I sweated bullets. When I read the book I still did. Same with the manga.

@limoduhLmO 7 жыл бұрын

Destroyer Inazuma fucking weeb

@geezzerboy 7 жыл бұрын

The Vancouver Hockey riot of 2011, occured when Canuck fans, took out their frustration of losing to Boston, on Police Cars, retail outlets, and the downtown buildings of Vancouver. Apparently they had low testosterone. The previous Vancouver Hockey riot, in the 90s, was also by losing fans. Do Sports' fan riots usually occur with losing fans, or with winning ones?

@flomccanuck8095 2 жыл бұрын

I was there. Total over-reaction - the riot wasn't THAT bad, the media / government turned it into Gone With The Wind. Impetus to outlaw most public gatherings. Vancouver's been known as 'the no fun' city ever since

@geezzerboy 2 жыл бұрын

@@flomccanuck8095 Is that what Alex Jones told you? He never lies, eh?

@flomccanuck8095 2 жыл бұрын

@@geezzerboy No, you couldn't pay me enough to listen to Alex Jones:)

@aaronlegresley9495 4 ай бұрын

It was called "wrestling with shadows" Jordan. But we'll forgive ya ❤

@aaronlegresley9495 4 ай бұрын

If "fake" is the argument... and then you realize what Peterson said about it being cinema. THEN you actually trained in a ring for one day & compared it to cinema after that... I promise you that cinema will be way more fake to you & you'll appreciate me way more than Tom Cruise. And if you're comparing to sports like MMA... the thing there is, pro wrestling is very hard! ...Even hard for mma champions who cross over into it. That's because it's a different thing. You wouldn't walk up to Michael Jordan or Albert Einstein & say "Connor McGregor would knock you out in a second" ...because that doesn't make them any less talented or make what they do easy. I really wish everyone could step in a pro wrestling ring for one day. Even huge fans of 30+ years like i was when I first started. It's brutal & you have no idea

@jillbill7752 6 жыл бұрын

“They were all offspring” when u momentarily forget the word for lesser humans.

@studinthemaking 4 жыл бұрын

Penguins rock 02:13

@SSdet 2 жыл бұрын

Man what happened to Jordan Peterson

@heliopyre 7 жыл бұрын

I love pro wrestling because of the over the top, soap opera-esq story lines.

@qaqsqw 7 жыл бұрын

He sounds like Bubbles at that one part

@eanoworro1028 6 жыл бұрын

Not enough context in this clip

@OrchardAnimations 5 жыл бұрын

Who are these Wreæstlers who wreæstle?

@raminybhatti5740 7 жыл бұрын

Hey!

@quanvu3244 3 жыл бұрын

In 0:59 he makes a presumption on "levels of sophistication" and gave the audience a hint that wrestling is a least sophisticated one. This is hilarious. Does Jordan Peterson really know what he's rambling about ? His attitude makes me feel sorry for him. What a little man he is.

@davidgetui4924 7 жыл бұрын

IS IT BETTER TO BE LIVE A LIFE OF PLEASURE OR MISERY

@MGTOWPsyche 7 жыл бұрын

pleasure is hedonism....that is suicide....one must find peace and joy, then you can tolerate as much pain and misery and suffering as your internal peace and joy and sense of purpose.

@PeterQuentercrimsonbamboo 7 жыл бұрын

Aha... so if I understand correctly,, women ought be happy to send their men out more to go watch hockey and wrestling... -:)

@peterc7327 7 жыл бұрын

Has the good professor dyed his hair?

@RSanchez111 6 жыл бұрын

He always calls it WWWF, LOL

@mathematicalcowboy3166 4 жыл бұрын

“Draehma”.

@xlint9906 6 жыл бұрын

I am a pro

@mmmikkko 7 жыл бұрын

Why ppl love pro wrestling? (In one sentence) 🕵🏼‍♀️

@BitesizedPhilosophy 7 жыл бұрын

It's like watching a superhero movie but less complicated and you have the opportunity to watch it unfold live in person. That's how I would sum it up in one sentence.

@AlrightDave 7 жыл бұрын

mmmikkko It's the theatre of orchestrated fighting.

@Daxcheese555 7 жыл бұрын

Its like watching an action movie where the actors do their own stunts in 20-minute+ setpieces.

@letsgoBrandon204 6 жыл бұрын

Ooh, gotta watch out, looks like wives have a vested interest in certain hockey teams winning. Source of conflict right there ;)

@austin2245psn 3 жыл бұрын

Wrestling is so boring and stupid

@reversedmusic1661 7 жыл бұрын

real wrestling is cool, pro wrestling isn't

@FutureAbe 7 жыл бұрын

I still don't know why people watch 'wrestling'.. Actually, let me rephrase that.. I still don't know why ADULTS watch WWE. Why? Is it fun? How? Explain.

@raminybhatti5740 7 жыл бұрын

Abe Grimm The good doctor explained it, albeit briefly, in the above video.

@sebaba001 7 жыл бұрын

Why do people watch movies? Why do people go to the theater? It's a retarded question. People watch it for entertainment, obviously. Ridiculously over the top fight and drama. It's like watching Sharknado.

@brianmyers9989 7 жыл бұрын

If you are over the age of 13 and do not have Downs Syndrome, you should not be watching pro wrestling.

@chrismlone 7 жыл бұрын

Millions of people would disagree.

@slappy8941 7 жыл бұрын

Chris Roy millions of people are borderline retarded.

@idrank1900 7 жыл бұрын

Shut your mouth and know your role, Jabroni

@crunchycatchycorny9701 7 жыл бұрын

Dude, I'm married with children, a college grad, and a food scientist. In every measure that one can put on a man in the West, I'm doing pretty well. I love wrestling, and have my entire 34 years on this planet. I watch it with my son, and my family attends live events. I'm not going to toss around insults and call you names, just please don't pigeon hole people into groups based on how they spend their leisure time. I'm sure one could do that to your interests.

@sebaba001 7 жыл бұрын

You're just smarter than dozens if not hundreds of million of people. You're a special snowflake. Congratulations. I do wonder if the people that type out these moronic comments later listen to reggaeton or watch adam sandler movies..