Jordan vs Lebron: End To All GOAT Debates

@jkemp6791 Ай бұрын

MJ accomplished more in less time and didn’t have to make a superteam. This was never a debate.

@sphereslip Ай бұрын

Absolutely true..Jordan stayed with the one team (not counting the Wizards because there was other factors involved) where as Lebron has to change teams to chase a ring, which he ain't gonna get. Plus he's a flopper like a 5 year old chucking a tantrum when he doesn't get his way.His finals record is poor too.

@delusionalskywizard796 Ай бұрын

Bullshit dude. LeBron James is always had triple doubles and has completely out scored Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan never was a team player he was lucky to have one of the best benches and coaches to get him where he needed to go. LeBron James has always been a team player and has more points, more shifts, more blocks, and more rebounds than Michael Jordan will ever get close.

@jkemp6791 Ай бұрын

@@delusionalskywizard796 - Hahahahahaha! I forgot how much LeBron fans love their longevity stats. They think it’s more important than championships, MVPs, finals MVPs, scoring titles, steals titles, 1st team all defense selections, etc, etc. What does LeBron have over MJ? He played longer. So keep pimping those longevity stats, my dude. Maybe you’ll convince someone if they have no clue about basketball. Just repeat some Nick Wright jock riding lines and you’ll be good. And LOL @ LeBron being a better teammate. Who joined multiple superteams and had teammates traded? Oh right. That was LeBron. Guess you don’t have a case. But hey! Longevity!! 🤣🤣

@inefekt Ай бұрын

@@delusionalskywizard796 really living up to your username there bro 😅🤣😂 FYI, this is how their stats ACTUALLY compare, rather than the simplistic and embarrassingly pathetic way you just described.... For a start, career totals are a completely pointless way of comparing the value of players on a _team_ sport. No team has ever benefited from having a player with 30k career points or 15k career rebounds or whatever. It does absolutely nothing for the team. What DOES benefit the team is having a player with great per game numbers because the team knows that, on average, this guy is going to be this productive on a nightly basis and that helps a team win. And winning is the _entire reason every damn pro sports exists._ So per game numbers are far, far more important than career totals and this is how they measure up against one another: In the regular season Jordan has: Higher PPG Higher ORPG Higher SPG Higher BPG Less TOPG Higher PER Higher BPM Higher WS/48 Higher VORP/48 Higher RAPTOR Higher WAR In the playoffs: Higher PPG Higher ORPG Higher SPG Less TOPG Higher PER Higher BPM Higher WS/48 Higher VORP/48 Higher RAPTOR Higher WAR Compare to LeBron who has: Regular Season: Higher DRPG Higher APG Playoffs: Higher DRPG Higher APG Higher BPG _It's not even close!_ 😅🤣😂

@thecaptain8569 Ай бұрын

Can’t say that cause when pippin n horse grant came out they only had 19 pts a piece while mike already was scoring almost 50pts a game so he didn’t need pippin at all

@dangeo1020 Ай бұрын

A finals lost is a lost, but to get swept twice in the finals and still call yourself the goat is Atrocious… you got swept! Twice, swept.

@jap33jpd Ай бұрын

Rightly said. You can never be in a GOAT conversation being swept twice.

@cotati76 Ай бұрын

And losing 4-1 another two times.

@dangeo1020 Ай бұрын

@@cotati76 I wanted to bring those two gentlemen sweep up but I said.. nah. You are 1000% right!

@cotati76 Ай бұрын

@@dangeo1020 I wanted to make sure to give him ALL the credit he deserves.

@mackman3294 Ай бұрын

Might be 3😂

@Riese79 Ай бұрын

TbH it was NEVER a debate 😂.

@rdogletree4543 Ай бұрын

Hell nawl, not even close, even if LeBron had 6 rings or wouldn't be once you dive deeper into it.

@CeBme Ай бұрын

You have to realize LeBron came into NBA and instantly took over with low average teams...

@thegoat4148 Ай бұрын

@@CeBmefacts he was 22 and took his team to the finals

@chrislong8559 Ай бұрын

Dude the east was so weak for a long stretch of LeBron career. West has been more dominant since Jordan left the league.

@rdogletree4543 Ай бұрын

@@CeBmeIt wasn't instantly, he missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons but they did get better and double their wins. They went from 17-65 to 35-47, but the Nuggets in 02-03 had the same record. After getting Carmelo Anthony their record was 43-39 and they made the playoffs. With winning 8 more games as a rookie and having better numbers he should've been rookie of the year.

@coryyoung1857 2 ай бұрын

Where are all the LeBron fans? They don't like hearing facts broken down that proves who the real GOAT is.

@paulespinoza1994 Ай бұрын

It’s because they take it personal l, it’s not it’s just pure numbers and accomplishments! Lebron is a great player but he is not MJ but neither is anyone else so he should just keep playing until he retires and be happy. One in two million players that come through the system even make it to the NBA

@martinfal756 Ай бұрын

Jordan fans resume all to rings, but when is Bill Russell, they have only excuses. Lebron is a better scorer, passer, rebounder, blocker. Better at triples, better at triples doubles. Lebron never had a goat coach. Jordan never faced a prime curry, a prime Durant, a prime Duncan, a 73-9 team

@AdhamAkbarAahil Ай бұрын

@@martinfal756Westbrook better than LeBron at triple doubles tf that stat have to do with anything 😂😂😂😂

@DubG89 Ай бұрын

Lebrons the goat. That’s all there is to it haters. That’s why these type of videos keep coming out. How you gon have a #3 overall pick on a pampered team be your goat? We all saw the bulls make a run in the playoffs without him. Lebron’s teams on the other hand didn’t even make the playoffs when he left. Stop it. 🤦 Goats carry teams 💪🐐. End of discussion.

@UFOsAreRealArea51 Ай бұрын

Why do you want that Michael Jordan be the greatest so bad? Lebron James fan right here I ain't running. So what's up? Answer my question, honestly. 💯🤷🏿‍♂️

@ShortsFactory101 Ай бұрын

There's never a debate between Jordan and Lebron to begin with! Michael Jordan is hands down the GOAT!

@garethbaker7346 Ай бұрын

I have spent over 10 years watching both and I can say Jordan is the better player.

@paulespinoza1994 Ай бұрын

He is and I have nothing against Lebron he is First ballot HOF player no doubt but MJ had no flaws in his game one major one that Lebron has never seem to shake is his FT percentage 74 percent for a player if his caliber is piss poor.

@garethbaker7346 Ай бұрын

@@paulespinoza1994 No I agree LeBron is a great player absolutely no doubt and he has been for many years. LeBron is just simply not the killer Jordan was. I was very disappointed to see how he blamed his teammates for the finals loss to Dallas, I watched every game of that series and he was the main reason for it.

@cotati76 Ай бұрын

Just look at his body language on the court. He pouts on the court. That’s gotta be really hard to have a teammate that gives up at the first sign of adversity.

@ryandavis6245 Ай бұрын

If you watched both, then it's more than 10 years . I already can't trust your word.

@garethbaker7346 Ай бұрын

@@ryandavis6245 I watched Jordan from 86 to retirement. I watched James for 2000 to date. Last I checked that means I watched both for over 10 years so I have more experience than I thought.

@dathoang2692 Ай бұрын

the olympic was the most embarrassing moment for all those NBA players. which included LBJ. that should automatically take him out of GOAT debate.

@k-mark9187 Ай бұрын

Yep what a loser

@kaukase539 Ай бұрын

LeBronze is not even a top 75 player

@V12BenzAMG Ай бұрын

here's another good take...Lebron left the goat conversation when he teamed up with players he SHOULD have been competing against... Lebron, Dwade, and Bosh were 3 of the top 4 draft picks of their class (missing only Carmelo)...Lebron SHOULD have been having epic battles against Dwade, Bosh, and Carmelo...NOT joining together to get cheap rings...on the other hand, NONE of the other Bulls on MJ's teams would have been competition for him (not even PIppen) if they were on other teams...none of those other Bulls were team franchise players....MJ was THE player, Lebron was just one of 2 or 3 of his super teams

@bigbearkat2010 Ай бұрын

As much as I think Lebron is utterly inferior to Jordan, Bosh and Carmelo never would've been serious competition for Lebron. Carmelo had the stat padding, no defense tendencies of Lakers Lebron except he was dumb enough to do it in his prime and Bosh even at his best never took the Raptors anywhere, even in the craptastic Eastern conference.

@thegoat4148 Ай бұрын

Bron was with Cleveland for 7 years his Gm didn’t bring a star player to help him

@joeysweet9045 Ай бұрын

@@thegoat4148if he was good enough they would have wanted to play with him!

@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525 Ай бұрын

MJ was the player 🤣🤣🤣bruhh what did Mike achieved on the 80s when he's the player. Answer me now bum. It take the GOAT of coach, the GOAT of sidekick, the GOAT of rebound, bunch of hall of famers, and pure shooter to save his ass for him to win a chip. In fact when MJ left 93. Chicago wins 57 games with pip almost got the mvp. That's how good Chicago is when he's not around. Compare to brons team when he left. What happen to them

@V12BenzAMG Ай бұрын

@@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525 what are you talking about? do you not understand what I said? answer me now bum! NONE of MJ's teammates would have been his competition on another team....LEBRON HAD 3 of the top 5 DRAFT PICKS of his own class!! THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIS COMPETITORS... How many rings do you think MJ would have if he had 3 of the top 5 picks of HIS draft?? Akeem Olajuwon, Sam Bowie, Sam Perkins, Charles Barkley.....ANY TWO of those people on the same team as MJ would have been a powerhouse...THAT'S LEBRONS SHORTCUT...if you can't see that, you dont know basketball....twisted facts... "goat rebounder", Rodman? what about the first 3peat? Pippen came in at 7ppg and followed MJ's lead to become what he was...but in the end ONLY MJ brought the rings/3peats, not Pippen..."shooter to save him"...there were no game 7's so no one saved anyone UNLIKE Lebron who had several save him from ELIMINATION (allen, kyrie)

@Redpepper917 Ай бұрын

Getting swept in the finals is one thing but FAKING a BROKEN HAND after the SWEEP is an ABSOLUTE DISGRACE and is BEHAVIOR of A LIAR and a LOSER!

@johnchapman8131 Ай бұрын

Lebron struggles to be considered top 10 all time. Its only because of his "help" he has 4 rings. Its because of Jordan,that Jordans "help" got" 6 rings.

@masterrserch3971 Ай бұрын

Not a Jordan fan, but absolutely NOT a Lebron guy, and I do think MJ is the GOAT. And Lebron is friggin awesome (not top 5 all time though)... Just wanted to get that out of the way and say that I disagree with your statement just a bit, in that while his Cavs champ team was good, he was clearly the reason they won, and boy oh boy did he come out and whip some arss, amd defeat the winningest regular season team in history; a team that was no stranger to the playoffs or finals, and had a prime Steph. That win over the Warriors, especially coming back from down 3-1, is the one thing I'll truly give Lebron credit for, and lots of it. Again, not saying it was Lebron and a bunch of Kelly Oubre's out there or something lol... but he was the leader of course and overcame a tremendous amount to get that chip ALSO that said, Lebron vs MJ as the GOAT should not ever be a debate. Period amen 😂

@user-mv2oo4hc3j Ай бұрын

@@masterrserch3971LeBron beat up on smaller teams when he faces a team with size he comes up short

@luisunda2842 Ай бұрын

@@user-mv2oo4hc3j The Spirs dynasty won 5 rings why you sittin here actin like they bums. The 2nd time he literally faced the greatest team ever assembled so this point is mute.

@dryames4319 Ай бұрын

@@masterrserch3971 Kyrie was sooo underrated. He literally outplayed Curry but never gets his dues.

@TazthepitRIP Ай бұрын

To say Lebron isn't top 10 is ridiculous 😂😂😂😂 MJ is by far the more dominant player but Lebron is definitely a top 5 player.

@ral3514 Ай бұрын

You can look at whatever numbers you want to but my main thing is that Jordan never lost in the finals. He also has a college championship and gold medal

@cmailloux30 Ай бұрын

6 Finals MVP’s without playing a game 7.

@paulespinoza1994 Ай бұрын

Gold medal, 8-0 against some of the best players in the game in there times at that time. I remember seeing clips of those games he was dunking and dominating these games and made it look easy. The look in these players faces were priceless. It was like this dude is from another planet it was crazy!!!!

@Michael-dd6hl Ай бұрын

2 Gold Medals 1984 &1992. The 84 was all about him too. He was already cooking pros in games then. PS Jordan's Olympic team was 9-0 vs Pros like Magic- W.Davis-Worthy-Bird- Thomas-McHale and many other All Stars..now that's dominance

@thegoat4148 Ай бұрын

Bill Russell 11-1 and John Halvicek 8-0 in the finals

@Michael-dd6hl Ай бұрын

@@thegoat4148 Yes..back before the NBA-ABA merger..not to take away what they did but half the world's greatest players were in the ABA ..Best to you. PS no player have had the impact that MJ did ..from the shoes to being the most famous NBA player of all time..by the way never lost a championship game or series Final from the NCAA CHAMPIONSHIP to the The Pan-Am games and the Olympics and of course 6 NBA Finals total win loss11-0..never faced a gm 7 in the Finals. Again best to u again.

@TazthepitRIP Ай бұрын

We need to take into account that Lebron has played a full 82 game season ONE FUCKING TIME in his career. MJ has done t 9 or 10 times

@ferdinandlamer1876 2 ай бұрын

Lebron is not even the greatest Laker so it’s not even close. Lebron is synonymous to choke, turnover, Balco😂

@isaoblack987 2 ай бұрын

Is he even a top 10 Lakers player? Kobe, Shaq, magic, Kareem, west, Gail, worthy and Baylor are all above him. I'd put the brow above him too. That means you only need one guy to boot him and I'm just going off the top of my head as not a Lakers guy.

@cockknockers694 Ай бұрын

@@isaoblack987bro you just put AD over him when LeBron was there a season before AD. You obviously come from a place of bias. Please never give your opinion on basketball ever again

@isaoblack987 Ай бұрын

@@cockknockers694 by your logic Marc Eaton and Adrian Dantley are better Jazz players than Stockton or Malone, David Robinson is better than Tim Duncan... they were there first after all! Be serious my dude. Your argument is quite easy to punch holes in without much effort. In any case I've thought of another all time Laker to put above Bron with some old school George Mikkan. Replace AD with him if you must and then try to argue LeBron into even a top 5 position.

@therealcyberius Ай бұрын

@@cockknockers694 AD is WAY better than him and I can't stand AD either

@bigbearkat2010 Ай бұрын

@@cockknockers694 and that season was a total disaster for the Lakers so I'm not really sure what point you think you're proving here.

@PrVox34 Ай бұрын

As great as LBJ is, he is probably not even 2nd or 3rd best all time. There should have never been a comparison between him and MJ, but I guess it makes for a lot of views

@TheJesseGladSaget Ай бұрын

Absolute 5-star video. Another complete demolition of the fake debate that never had any business existing in the first place. Salute!

@Officiallyjaystick Ай бұрын

Use Basketball Metrics - This is what truly measure performance. That is the objective metric and with that - the below is not even an all inclusive list of Objective Metrics... 1st off - winning titles is a team accomplishment and you must have and be on a SQUAD ....to win a NBA Championship Jordan played with Horace Grant - #19 all time in Offensive Rebounds for 3 titles....and Dennis Rodman - #4 all time Offensive Rebounds.....The Great Pat Riley once accurately said NO REBOUNDS - NO RINGS....MJ had these ELITE All Time great guys getting the Bulls extra possessions - #4 and #19 was and is now their ALL TIME OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING RANKING.....he also had Steve Kerr WHO IS #1 ALL TIME with the highest shooting % from 3 THAT'S ALL TIME....and BJ Armstrong also top 13 ALL TIME SHOOTING % FROM 3.....Hodges and Paxson.....ELITE FLOOR SPACING.....Coaching and Pippen.....To sum up the team Jordan was on....they won 50+ games after his first retirement - If Lebron joined a 50+ win team - What do you think would happen? Continuity matters....it is easy to stay with a SUPER TEAM.....that's what that was - a well put together SUPER SQUAD....than to bust it up and win with different guys and coaches and systems and cities......that is my opinion but based on those teammates and coach [Phil Jackson] that he has But now back to BASKETBALL OBJECTIVE METRICS - and I won't even list them all - BUT JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE A POINT: LEBRON #1 ALL TIME LEADING SCORER - PLAYOFFS AND REGULAR SEASON...and that's with him being on the Lakers and not making deep runs and even missing playoffs. ONLY PLAYER WITH A TRIPLE QUINTUPLE IN NBA HISTORY [40000 points, 11,000+ rebounds AND 11,000+ assists] no other player has 28,000, 8,000 and 8,000 Lebron is still sprinting up and down the court - Year 21 - constantly being described as BEST TRANSITION PLAYER ALL TIME #4 ALL TIME IN REGULAR SEASON ASSISTS [and probably will pass Chris Paul to be #3 all time in regular season career assists] ALL TIME LEADER IN PLAYOFFS IN ASSISTS, STEALS, GAMES WON, SERIES WON 8 STRAIGHT FINALS APPEARANCES WITH TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS [Miami Heat & Cleveland Cavaliers] 3 NBA TITLES WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS....3 FINALS MVPS WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS.... Different Sidekicks, Coaches, and Rosters...3 DIFFERENT OWNERS MOST NBA ALL STAR VOTES [folks don't realize this - but by tens of millions - not close] MOST ALL STAR APPEARANCES MOST ALL NBAs...... and MOST TOP 5 FINISHES IN NBA MVP VOTINGS MOST CONSECUTIVE SEASONS AVG 25 PPG.....[not close .....LBJ 20....Durant maybe 2nd at 12] MOST NBA PLAYER OF MONTH ALL TIME [not close] MOST NBA PLAER OF WEEK ALL TIME [not close] MOST CONSECUTIVE GAMES SCORING 10 PPG [lebron well over 1200 games - Jordan 2nd at 880 or so - not close] MOST COMBINED MINUTES PLAYED ALL TIME [LEBRON AROUND 68000......everyone else washed and done by now - LBJ Still Playing Year 21 and heading into Year 22 - Again Not Close] HAS A TON OF YOUNGEST TO NBA RECORDS....meaning was in NBA before Jordan and other All Time greats and was playing at a Great Level at age 18 and HAS A TON OF OLDEST TO NBA RECORDS.....meaning Lebron was and is still in the NBA after Jordan and other greats retired and playing at a Great Level beyond when others were washed up or retired WHEN SOMEONE SAYS CHASE DOWN BLOCK - WHAT PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? WHEN SOMEONE SAYS "THE BLOCK" WHAT GAME, AND PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? yeah right - Cavs - Warriors Game 7 -- LBJ and Igadola LEBRON HAS 54 PLAYOFF GAMES WHERE HE LED HIS TEAM IN POINTS, REBOUNDS AND ASSISTS - NBA RECORD Nikola Jokic just passed Larry Bird and is 2nd All Time with 15 [AGAIN NOT CLOSE] THERE ARE LIKE 30 MORE OF THESE I CAN TYPE.....but can't and won't Our kids kids won't understand this video and the comments in this thread or the other haters in the media that has this MJ bias..... By basketball metrics it is clearly LBJ WE WERE ALL WITNESSES! stop hatin!

@SamPride-vx7hx Ай бұрын

@@Officiallyjaystickrings?

@miamimarlin2980 Ай бұрын

😂

@renziair Ай бұрын

@@SamPride-vx7hx that's why it's still a debate. It is always a nitpicking game because the GOAT metric cannot be universally calculated. Anyone saying it's not a debate is delusional. And no, MJ is my GOAT, before you assume anything.

@SamPride-vx7hx Ай бұрын

@@Officiallyjaystick Jordan had a fire in him u couldn't put on a stat sheet ,stats or rings

@ponbac Ай бұрын

Wade is better than Lebron..

@bum0184 Ай бұрын

LeBron ain't even better than KOBE! The absolute disrespect Bean gets by not even getting mentioned

@kuffinauhead6790 Ай бұрын

MJ is the GOAT and this argument is as good as any I have seen on KZfaq or TV as it is supported with great stats. Only 2 points I think could be refined. 1. Played with Allstars was a bit unfair. Better to compare how many times players who were all stars played with MJ/LBJ and not their whole All Star career stats. 2. Pro rata stats of what LBJ would need to achieve given his length of career to catch MJ was harsh with age performance will naturally decline so it's impossible to keep up with achievements. Aside that, this video is comprehensive - especially the summary @ 24:30. Plus you never mentioned LBJ leaving Cleveland to chase rings 1 and 2 with big 3 - Not all rings are created equal!

@eyalsabag1772 Ай бұрын

hi good points! i think he did show the active allstars played with MJ/lebron before the totals which r indeed misleading i agree about decline with age, but that is a good answer to the longevity arguments that the lebron camp flashes

@ap6160 Ай бұрын

11:33 the best metaphor ever......Lebron = cheap buffet, MJ = 5-star meal. What does that say about their respective stans?

@donnydutcher3310 Ай бұрын

Cheap buffet is crazy considering how good his peak was

@evolucien1309 Ай бұрын

tho good...this too was stolen from Dangerousproductions "Jordan vs Bron Best Comparison Ever" video, like 3-5 yrs ago. Much of this, is word for word, stolen

@_HMCB_ Ай бұрын

@@evolucien1309I wouldn’t doubt it. KZfaqrs are something else. I’m seeing more stolen content and AI generated scripts than ever. It’s pathetic.

@luisunda2842 Ай бұрын

If most points all time amd 4 mvps with 4 rings is a chesp buffet then whats everypne whose under these two pond scum? They both great and play different positions. End of argument.

@CSDonohue11 Ай бұрын

LeBron is The Sheeit He’s Dope AF But still…. JORDAN is Thee GOAT & really is not close All the analytics we have now & Mike only gets better. It’s a trip

@Jcage22 Ай бұрын

never an argument. Lebron isnt even top 5. Mj, Kareem, Magic, Tim Duncan, Larry Bird

@MichaelSmith-es4nl Ай бұрын

That's a insane lineup I have to put doctor J as the sixth man. Now who can stop that. They would be unstoppleable.

@ubuiltlikeafrog1200 21 күн бұрын

Trapped by nostalgia you prolly think sharone wright better than embiid

@Jcage22 21 күн бұрын

@@ubuiltlikeafrog1200 nope. Embiid is without a doubt a top 2 center in the league, and debatably better than Jokic. Lebron has no case above Magic and Kareem and especially Jordan. i could get behind him being better than Duncan and Bird, but nothing more.

@masterrserch3971 Ай бұрын

One player has a good amount of clear "negatives," i.e. things that you can say wouldnt make anyone the greatest at anything. The other barely has even one that you can point to and say "well, THIS hurts his case... One is "in the debate" with 21 seasons. The other is the majority's overwhelming choice of GOAT with more or less 13. One has had, when in comparison to the other, virtually countless multi time all star teammates, on 3 different teams. The other has had one multi time all star teammate as his running mate, and another legendary-ish player for only 3 seasons. One has had detractors talk about choke jobs, or "shying away from the last shot/from the ball itself," with real instances to back it up. The other could never be one to have the CHOKE be pointed towards him, and absolutely never, EVER shyed away from anything less than wanting the ball in his hands for last shot, last few minutes, even entire 4th quarter. Doesnt matter who youre talking about in what sport, you cannot talk greatest ever under these circumstances, and frankly, i usually just stop after the 1st 2. You don't have to get into stats. You dont have to get into championships won or record in those championships. This isnt to say one failed and the othet didnt. This isnt to say one is the greatest and the other is just some mediocre player. This is talking what sadly SO MANY misunderstand when having this "debate," and that's the true definition of GREATEST. THE GREATEST, simply put, would not have that many things to point to where someone has to go hard tryin to give a rebuttal. And the fact of the matter is, even if by some insane miracle the Lakers win the chip this year, it doesnt change ANY of those 4 facts i laid out So long as there's an overall losing finals record, losses with better teammates, horrible clutch moments (and stats 😉), and an overall body of work that isnt as good in 21 years vs a guy who played almost half that, there is just no debate. And as a knicks fan since 86, i absolutely despise Michael Jordan lol... but the man IS THE GOAT. PERIOD.

@ismaelcruz9833 Ай бұрын

This is probably one of the best explanations I ever read for a while.

@2muchNoize23 Ай бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏Well said sir!!!! I mean just wow all you can say is GOT EMMMMM 😂😂💯💯💯💯💯🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

@SirJoCocchi Ай бұрын

Well explained, thanks ✌️

@myaccountisntthisone Ай бұрын

Jordan quit. Twice. While the best player in the league. The strain of three straight finals runs was more than he could handle. Don't pretend he doesn't doesn't have massive stains on his legacy. That's the Jordan standard though, the lows are ignored. Most carefully crafted media narrative image in the history of the game. He's also 0-2 against Bird, 1-3 against Thomas, and1-1 vs. Shaq. Only top level ATG player/team he ever faced and emerged with a winning record against was Magic whose team was on its last legs already. But we're supposed to pretend none of that matters, and he has a perfect resume.

@masterrserch3971 Ай бұрын

@myaccountisntthisone u proved how much a hater you are once you said he quit cuz of pressure. I happen to be on the conspiracy side and believe the hidden suspension.... But to make NO MENTION of his father BEING MURDERED... did u SEE his reaction when he completed the 1st 3peat? U probably have no clue why without looking it up. And NOW I'll finally address your wide, slow, telegraphed haymakers. None of that is REMOTELY close to LeBron's negatives. At all. In any slant or universe, as long as you're being honest. Larry Bird is better than anyone LeBron beat or lost to. Period. And Jordan was still 2nd, 3rd year, including his lost injury year? Oh btw, u know Charles Oakley, right? U know, that versatile, super athletic, offensive FORCE OF NATURE, drilling J's in everyone's face, jumping from just inside the free throw line, quadruple crossover'n everyone? U know that man right? Yeah me neither. Cuz that ain't Charles Oakley. And that was MJ's early years 2nd option... 17 games I believe, coming back after busting his hump playing baseball,... no basketball training camp, no drills,,etc...and don't u DARE tell me that baseball is "easy" or some shit, cuz then I know ur a Delusional, uninformed, tubby.... and I'll wait to see ur response on that specifically... But anyway, really, none of that matters because what u deem as some negative failure when a 4 season or less MJ lost to Bird's LEGENDARY, top 5 all time Celts... 63. That's probably all I had to say. Forgive me if I came off like MJ is infallible. He's not. His 50%ish FG% in the clutch is outstanding, but it literally means he could miss just as much as he doesn't. But in NBA, it's INCREDIBLE for that situation and GOD LEVEL compared to your boys' under 30%. So. Once again. Comparing MJ's negatives/failures to virtually anyone else's (and let's be real I'm sure u mean LEBRON) is like me trying to feed u plain, low sugar, one scoop of Vanilla ice cream in a cup, and immediately asking ur thoughts. "Meh" is probably somewhat your thoughts. It's fine. It's ice cream. But nothing crazy. But then u turn around and try to feed me a cup of fresh, moist, musty, warm, horse manure--- but u are selling this CRAP like it's the goddamn best cut of filet mignon I or ANY LIVING human anyone could have... And THEN GOING A STEP FURTHER, AND U SAYING THAT MY PLAIN VANILLA ICE CREAM IS JUST AS BAD AS YOUR FOAMY, THICK HORSE MANURE CUP 😅😅😅! It's Delusional, ignorant, and pathetic

@kLeo20Toes Ай бұрын

10 scoring titles 6 finals mvps im done talking he completed the game.. brought success to the team that drafted him(bulls)played while he was half dead(flu game)cmon man 😂

@joeysweet9045 Ай бұрын

Oh and don't forget 1 DPOTY and 9 nba all defensive 1st teams!

@emack4371 Ай бұрын

MJ is the blueprint HIM GOAT....1 of 1....it is as simple as that

@alexandrossimitzis146 Ай бұрын

This was never a debate, to begin with! 6-0 in the finals vs 4-6 in the finals, one gutted it out in Chicago, and the other bounced around the NBA trynna to team up with the most talented players! MJ had to go through the rough and tumble Eastern Conference dealing with the Boston Celtics, the Detroit Pistons, the CAVS, the Knicks, the Pacers, the Magic, etc., in an era when hand-checking was allowed, and there was no three-second defensive rule! And he got 10 scoring titles against that kinda defense, to LBJs 1! MJ played in all 82 games 9 times, to LBJs 1! MJ is 9 time all defensive team to LBJs 5, and he has a DPOY to LBJs 0! MJ is a 5 time MVP of the regular season to LBJs 4! MJ never even came close to losing in international competition, and there was a time when LeBron was called LeBronze! MJ won 2 dunk championships to LBJ never even competing, and we live in an era where D Leaguers win dunk championships!

@SirJoCocchi Ай бұрын

Well put !

@carlosangeles2215 Ай бұрын

Excellent video 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾! The WWE style push to have LeBron as the GOAT definitely doesn't fool most of us!!!

@baronperez8200 Ай бұрын

I have Lebron #5 all time, but honestly It’s mostly because I feel pressured to do so. I’d have him somewhere between 6 and 10 if I weren’t thinking about the Mob of indoctrinated Lebron fans.

@zakkg5497 Ай бұрын

If it wasn't for the fake media hype to have something to talk about and attract audience this would never be a debate...i would add one more point in favour of MJ and that's dominance! After three years of being beaten he and the bulls finally jumped over in a dominant fashion and ended the pistons reign thus preventing them from becoming a real dynasty(went superior to IT, Rodman, Lambeer). Then he ended Lakers attempts to regain the throne for almost a decade (this time won the duel with Magic). Stopped Clyde and the blazers, then Barkley and KJ, after a hiccup demolished Shaq and AH, Kemp and Payton, and Malone and Stockton. The only one he "failed" against in his early years and never had a chance for revenge was Larry Bird. Once MJ took the torch from Larry and Magic there was no turning back no matter how many teams tried to dethrone him. Lebron on the other hand has negative record against each of his superstar opponents: Tim, Steph, Durant. And that's the difference between winning and losing, you're either a winner or end up next generation kids who never watched old school bball call you a plumber

@sirvilhelmofyonderland Ай бұрын

Debate? Lol, it’s for views. There’s no debate. MJ is goat. I’m not even a Jordan fan. I hate him for beating my Pistons.

@dupree4397 23 күн бұрын

😂

@7Eightyone 21 күн бұрын

Pacer's fan here. Agreed.

@cosaosa2855 3 күн бұрын

@@7Eightyone As a Bulls fan, there were 2 teams that legitimately had us nervous. Ewing's Knicks and Miller's Pacers. Chewed many a fingernail watching Reggie Miller. If he'd had a solid #2, he'd have gotten his rings.

@joycelago1315 3 күн бұрын

And that’s why I respect you ❤

@V12BenzAMG Ай бұрын

also, as far as playoffs go, MJ was outscored 1 time (by 0.5ppg) by 1 opponent and that was as a rookie.....that's it...Lebron has been outscored by many teammates and opponents

@ezequielrojas2828 Ай бұрын

I’d also add MJ blew the sport of basketball up. His style of play was so entertaining enemies could sit side by side and freeze in time. Rock in his hands, 👅 tongue hanging out you knew anything was a possibility. 🐐

@aarlavaan Ай бұрын

But that's not really important in context of who is a better player. If you are talking about legacy, entertainment factor, and iconic status, sure. But not basketball skill.

@iFanchi Ай бұрын

Larry Bird is top 5 all time, I would even put him 2nd or 3rd. 1. MJ 2. Magic/Bird 3. Bird/Magic. And then the rest.

@AnthonyHTerry Ай бұрын

Fame was looking for Jordan while Lebron trailed for fame!

@charlesdaniels2603 Ай бұрын

His airness on full display no one is close nobody case closed 🔐

@catherinechang99 Ай бұрын

Thank you so~~much. It couldn't be more true. MJ will always be untouchable and far away. There will never be anyone like him. He shines alone in the distance. Watching the modern game, you will really understand how incredible MJ is💫🌟💫 Video quality is great

@beepeesoup 29 күн бұрын

Even if it were close in stats, and it isn't, imagine thinking someone was the goat when they sell their team downstream and blame them, fire coaches, trade players, fake injuries, flops, cry to the refs over literally everything, don't even run the floor to get back on defense and offense, and choke in the 4th. Ignore the fact that Jordan has more rebounds and steals when he played how many years less? How KOBE played one less season and LeBron has 1200 more turnovers? The list of things goes on and on. The man is a joke.

@timtdog5542 22 күн бұрын

Well said

@misterclutchabc Ай бұрын

Excellent presentation.

@JamesL0717 Ай бұрын

The reason Lebron appeared in 10 finals is due to the Eastern conference being super weak for the past 2 decades. Since being traded to the Heat and the eventual return to Cavs, James never missed the NBA Finals for 8 straight seasons, but only won 3 times. Meanwhile, im the 6 years after being traded to the Lakers, James only went to the Finals once, which he won easily against the Eastern conf champ. Meanwhile MJ has never lost in the Finals.

@Zion122 Ай бұрын

LeBron missing the Finals and losing only shows how good his era is/how little help he received. Pippen never lost in the Finals either. I guess he's the GOAT too.

@RazoJ20 Ай бұрын

Lebron has never been traded. He always switched when he had a free agency window. Still, that only proves how terrible he really was at winning even when he hand picked his teams.

@Zion122 Ай бұрын

@@RazoJ20 Teams win championships, not players.

@thegoat4148 Ай бұрын

MJ literally made the playoffs 3 times with a negative record so what’s that saying about MJ competition ?

@RazoJ20 Ай бұрын

@@Zion122 teams play for championships but star players win it for them. Mavericks and Dirk are prime example #1.

@zeevgetman8493 Ай бұрын

Very professional video, sums up all the important topics

@DyslexicSolMusic Ай бұрын

At 21:57, you said "the heat were swept by the spurs in 2007". Um... that was the cavs, but ok.

@Sf75178 Ай бұрын

Jordan was 9 times all defensive first at the same time as scoring champ. That really shows how much of a beast he was on both ends. Also steals champ at the same time as scoring champ. Something that never gets mentioned. Jordan is top 5 in both totals and per game averages in both scoring and steals. Some players maybe both for one stat but not 2. Jordan took it to another level in the finals especially the first 3. 91-- average 11.4 assists per game highest for anyone not Magic. 92 - - average an impressive 42% for 3s and in game 1 shot six 3s in a half which was a record for 18 years until Ray Allen the only person to shoot more in a half 93-- average 41 points per game highest ever. Jordan has a higher peak which LeBron has not surpassed

@ridedamaverick Ай бұрын

The longer LeBron plays, the clearer the case is for Michael.

@DavidL-fz9hx Ай бұрын

Lebron aint even close to Mike..he's barely in my top 12

@thegoat4148 Ай бұрын

Your opinion

@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525 Ай бұрын

Who cares about your top 12😅

@angryralphs2516 Ай бұрын

@@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525 I care. Just explain the 8 points of LBJ in his prime and I will name 20 player better thsn LeBron 😂

@ubuiltlikeafrog1200 21 күн бұрын

Gotta be delusional if lebron and Jordan ain’t your top 2 you shouldn’t speak basketball

@MrRedman47 6 күн бұрын

And who are you nobody racist

@cmailloux30 Ай бұрын

Teams had a hard time stopping Jordan when he had little help.

@coconut9301 Ай бұрын

How is having Scottie pippin and Dennis Rodman little help

@iamnobody350 Ай бұрын

@@coconut9301before he got scottie and after he was still doing very solidly

@mmartinez9764 Ай бұрын

I think the pistons did a great job before the league changed the rules

@kb72977 Ай бұрын

@mmartinez9764 the pistons never stopped Jordan, they stopped the bulls. Go check Jordan's individual stats against those bad boys teams. They just reserved to the position he couldn't beat them alone so they forced the other players to beat them and that was their formula for success against the bulls.

@MookieLoLo Ай бұрын

@@kb72977 as well as made it Hard for Jordan everytime He had the BALL IN THe LANE. Most people believe "The Jordan Rules" was due to Rule changes...but actually it the STRATEGY the Pistons deployed to defend Jordan when he had the Ball (A lot of Hard Fouling in the paint).

@SurprisedBus-bw4wd Ай бұрын

This aint even a question. Im a lakers fan. We about to get swept for the second year in a row by Denver. Dont EVER put Lebron James in the same sentence as Michael Jeffery Jordan.

@bobbymoore2076 23 күн бұрын

Lakers fan since 74. I agree 💯 percent

@SurprisedBus-bw4wd 22 күн бұрын

@@bobbymoore2076 im a younger laker fan since 98.. bringing in LBJ is the worst decision weve ever made. Dr Buss is probably looking down in disgust. I always feel like LBJ is tryna prove hes bigger than us as a club. Watching him weekly made me realise hes barely a top 10 player

@FactsNReason Ай бұрын

Dman that was a beat down

@cotati76 Ай бұрын

When the next goat comes along it will be obvious. They will be THAT good. Everybody will see it. If there’s any room for a “debate” they aren’t the goat. Simple as that.

@bpsactclass2218 Ай бұрын

Jordan's father was killed around the same time Jordan was being investigated for gambling with very questionable and powerful people. When Jordan returned, Jordan thanked Commissioner Stern for allowing Jordan to return to the NBA. There is more to the story.

@evolucien1309 Ай бұрын

ummm anyone gonna mention how this video was almost a 1to1 copy of DangerProductions video like 3 -5yrs ago?

@aarlavaan Ай бұрын

Yeah. I noticed that too. Even made the same buffet vs fancy meal comparison for defense. But I will say I like the addition at thy beginning, mentioning the thrashing of the pros while in college.

@jeimairuzu7056 Ай бұрын

Lebron fans who never saw Jordan play live on tv will always think Lebron is the goat. That's a fact. I have watched Jordan since his rookie year up to his final game with wizards. Up to this year on 2024 i have never seen any player closer to what Jordan did and how he dominated the game. Kobe is there but not close. The rest is just miles way off.

@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525 Ай бұрын

Ahm I'm 42 I've watched MJ growing up. In fact I've collected his cards and shoes and his posters where all over my room. He the reason why I've played d game of basketball. But I'm not a fucking blind MJ fans and will not accept someone whos better. I ain't seen nothing like bron! Ghill, penny, scotty, magic, kobe and Mike is my idols. MJ goat before, now bron that it. That's my opinion. Im fine if MJ is ur goat, but dont be a bum if many peeps saw bron as d new goat

@jeimairuzu7056 Ай бұрын

@@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525 lebron will never be the goat. You are the one who is blind. Hahaha. In order for lebron to surpass jordan he needs to have 1 more mvp award, 2x nba champ, 9x scoring champ, 2x finals mvp, 3x all defensive team award, 1x DPOY, 3x STL champ. Dont run me down with stats because all lebron has with stats is the 40k points. Watch statman here in youtube to get the facts. 🤣

@timtdog5542 22 күн бұрын

Don't forget the one player who never had anybody on his team.That played like Jordan and Kobe Bryant Allen.Iverson

@BuildNBlock08 16 күн бұрын

This is so biased and I am a Jordan fan. I just hate the way people tear down LeBron. Jordan was horrible in his last years. He was missing layups . Also, outside of Pippen, Jordan had the Greatest coaching. Why keep acting like LeBron didn't carry a team by himself, like Iverson but did it consistently. Just give them both credit

@DeleLang 15 күн бұрын

Its mind boggling we are witnessing 2 greats in our lifetime. MJ was phenomenal so is LBJ. You cant compare the 2. Both are great at their own right.

@DavidL-fz9hx Ай бұрын

Imagine Kobe having AD for 5 years..

@mmartinez9764 Ай бұрын

Duncan would still cook him

@andrewzapata9420 Ай бұрын

He had better, he had shaq

@rohanmondkar9467 Ай бұрын

Lol… he literally had an upgrade in Shaq for a much longer time. And Kobe was the Robin at the time.

@ncg25out Ай бұрын

Yes he had a prime Shaq for 8 , and they only got 3 rings……..that’s it. Weak AF. Based on that they not top 10 on my list.

@luisunda2842 Ай бұрын

Shaq has left the chat. Pau Gasol has left the chat.

@NeverSober8008 Ай бұрын

If Lebron went 4-6 in finals on the Cavs while the Spurs and Warriors were around then he would have a way better argument but he jumped teams too many times. Same reason why we don’t consider Kevin Durant better than Curry or Lebron

@visionz_n_media Ай бұрын

The goat debate is not a debate of statistics but of favoritism and popular belief. It really amazes me how people can argue another man’s accomplishments but don’t even put the same energy into improving their own lives 🤦🏽‍♂️. Debating over another person’s value that doesn’t directly impact your own is such a broke trait.

@user-wm2hv2mh9b Ай бұрын

Maybe I heard you wrong or didn't understand how you meant it but as I heard it on your audio here and you have Larry LEGEND as just top 10 ???

@stoniearterberry-me5fl Ай бұрын

Anyone doing anything for 21 years better have a lot to show for it. By the way, no one ever mentions LeBronda spending a million dollars a year on his body whatever that means.

@fherdiliciouzfherdz1525 Ай бұрын

It's called using a little money because he knows he's. Earned millions for his body. U idiot yes! That's was called RESPONSIBLE ATTITUDE

@consciousness319 Ай бұрын

If Jordan is the greatest and if Kobe's the closest thing to Jordan; Kobe has to be number two. They carried their teams to full season championships and not a bubble! 6 finals MVPs will never be touched! LeBron James has one scoring title, but eve. Steph Curry has two scoring titles. If Jordan would have went to 10 finals like LeBron do you believe Jordan would have four championships? Oh wait, Jordan has six championships in six finals!

@alchemist_one Ай бұрын

Totally agreed on Kobe. He's been crazy underrated since he retired. He didn't have all of Jordan's natural gifts, but he had all his skills plus some new ones and literally broke his body trying to carry a garbage team in his best years. Still got 5 rings and a few nights where he outscored the entire opposing team for a half. An 82 point game back in the mid aughts that would be equivalent to 92 today, too.

@SirJoCocchi Ай бұрын

I agree, Kobe way more meaningful and better than Bron.

@consciousness319 Ай бұрын

@SirJoCocchi Yea. You always hear how LeBron James needs more help! I've never heard that for Kobe. I always wondered why Bron needed multiple All-Stars to win. Curry dropped James in 2015, and everyone said that LeBron didn't have Kevin Love and Kyrie, excuse, but Steph didn't have Love and Kyrie either...lol Kobe said that he didn't need Shaq and Kobe didn't! Much like Draymond told KD, we won before you got here, and we'll when after you gone: Curry @ Boston. Bron never had that in him, and that's the separation between Bron and (Jordan, Kobe).

@shadowy2g Ай бұрын

From the beginning of your video you demonstrated your BIAS. I am an MJ fan but from minute 3, I cut off the video off as i didnt learn ANYTHING NEW. SMH

@kedrickd7 Ай бұрын

Dude its not bias its just a joke to compare Lebron to Jordan you dont have to be bias to understand that Jordan is in another stratosphere than Lebron and MJ aint the only one

@AdamsGuitarsAndCases Ай бұрын

Great video!! Truth!! :)

@DesmondDaddy Ай бұрын

Thank you, thank you, thank you. This is like the Rosetta Stone of knowledge. It’s abundantly clear who is the G.O.A.T. Well done.

@Officiallyjaystick Ай бұрын

Use Basketball Metrics - This is what truly measure performance. That is the objective metric and with that - the below is not even an all inclusive list of Objective Metrics... 1st off - winning titles is a team accomplishment and you must have and be on a SQUAD ....to win a NBA Championship Jordan played with Horace Grant - #19 all time in Offensive Rebounds for 3 titles....and Dennis Rodman - #4 all time Offensive Rebounds.....The Great Pat Riley once accurately said NO REBOUNDS - NO RINGS....MJ had these ELITE All Time great guys getting the Bulls extra possessions - #4 and #19 was and is now their ALL TIME OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING RANKING.....he also had Steve Kerr WHO IS #1 ALL TIME with the highest shooting % from 3 THAT'S ALL TIME....and BJ Armstrong also top 13 ALL TIME SHOOTING % FROM 3.....Hodges and Paxson.....ELITE FLOOR SPACING.....Coaching and Pippen.....To sum up the team Jordan was on....they won 50+ games after his first retirement - If Lebron joined a 50+ win team - What do you think would happen? Continuity matters....it is easy to stay with a SUPER TEAM.....that's what that was - a well put together SUPER SQUAD....than to bust it up and win with different guys and coaches and systems and cities......that is my opinion but based on those teammates and coach [Phil Jackson] that he has But now back to BASKETBALL OBJECTIVE METRICS - and I won't even list them all - BUT JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE A POINT: LEBRON #1 ALL TIME LEADING SCORER - PLAYOFFS AND REGULAR SEASON...and that's with him being on the Lakers and not making deep runs and even missing playoffs. ONLY PLAYER WITH A TRIPLE QUINTUPLE IN NBA HISTORY [40000 points, 11,000+ rebounds AND 11,000+ assists] no other player has 28,000, 8,000 and 8,000 Lebron is still sprinting up and down the court - Year 21 - constantly being described as BEST TRANSITION PLAYER ALL TIME #4 ALL TIME IN REGULAR SEASON ASSISTS [and probably will pass Chris Paul to be #3 all time in regular season career assists] ALL TIME LEADER IN PLAYOFFS IN ASSISTS, STEALS, GAMES WON, SERIES WON 8 STRAIGHT FINALS APPEARANCES WITH TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS [Miami Heat & Cleveland Cavaliers] 3 NBA TITLES WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS....3 FINALS MVPS WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS.... Different Sidekicks, Coaches, and Rosters...3 DIFFERENT OWNERS MOST NBA ALL STAR VOTES [folks don't realize this - but by tens of millions - not close] MOST ALL STAR APPEARANCES MOST ALL NBAs...... and MOST TOP 5 FINISHES IN NBA MVP VOTINGS MOST CONSECUTIVE SEASONS AVG 25 PPG.....[not close .....LBJ 20....Durant maybe 2nd at 12] MOST NBA PLAYER OF MONTH ALL TIME [not close] MOST NBA PLAER OF WEEK ALL TIME [not close] MOST CONSECUTIVE GAMES SCORING 10 PPG [lebron well over 1200 games - Jordan 2nd at 880 or so - not close] MOST COMBINED MINUTES PLAYED ALL TIME [LEBRON AROUND 68000......everyone else washed and done by now - LBJ Still Playing Year 21 and heading into Year 22 - Again Not Close] HAS A TON OF YOUNGEST TO NBA RECORDS....meaning was in NBA before Jordan and other All Time greats and was playing at a Great Level at age 18 and HAS A TON OF OLDEST TO NBA RECORDS.....meaning Lebron was and is still in the NBA after Jordan and other greats retired and playing at a Great Level beyond when others were washed up or retired WHEN SOMEONE SAYS CHASE DOWN BLOCK - WHAT PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? WHEN SOMEONE SAYS "THE BLOCK" WHAT GAME, AND PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? yeah right - Cavs - Warriors Game 7 -- LBJ and Igadola LEBRON HAS 54 PLAYOFF GAMES WHERE HE LED HIS TEAM IN POINTS, REBOUNDS AND ASSISTS - NBA RECORD Nikola Jokic just passed Larry Bird and is 2nd All Time with 15 [AGAIN NOT CLOSE] THERE ARE LIKE 30 MORE OF THESE I CAN TYPE.....but can't and won't Our kids kids won't understand this video and the comments in this thread or the other haters in the media that has this MJ bias..... By basketball metrics it is clearly LBJ WE WERE ALL WITNESSES! stop hatin!

@Widkey Ай бұрын

MJ is the greatest NBA player ever.. Lebron is king of longevity, he's played 100 years but has only managed to win 3 championships and a bubble ring.

@dreddthaseeker6492 Ай бұрын

Until someone establishes solid criteria for the GOAT title, all debates are a waste of time.

@Lord_OTD Ай бұрын

“Phony Goat”?! 😯 This guy’s dislike of LeBron James is unrivalled. It’s like he’s reading off of Skip’s notes or something.

@Matt_Niro Ай бұрын

Tim Duncan is better the Lebalco.

@Hananiah187 13 күн бұрын

Yes, ive heard enough! This guy is full of shit! When Jordan retired his team went to the eastern conference finals, wow and having a Coach and great system " triangle offense " means so much!LeBron is very unique, past first and a physical specimen! The player that can get the best shooters involved in the game aswell as being the ultimate team leader! Jordan is great but LeBron is nex level!facts

@StatMan-vn7gp 13 күн бұрын

The Bulls actually lost in the 2nd round in 1994 after Jordan retired but it actually isn't a good comparison to the team success without MJ. Even though they lost Jordan that year they added a number of key players that offset part of that loss: Toni Kukoc (hall of famer), Steve Kerr (best 3 pt % all time), Luc Longley (7'2" big man when big men were valuable). All 3 of these players were staples of the 2nd three-peat and very important to the Bulls so it is not fair to use 1994 as a comparison. A direct comparison is the Bulls 1995 team before and after Jordan came back. Before MJ came back the Bulls were only hovering around 0.500 and fighting to make the playoffs. They were not looking good. Once MJ came back they went 13 wins and only 4 losses (pace for a 63 game win season! Lebron in his entire career only had 2 seasons his team record would beat this in 2008-2009 in Cleveland and 2012-2013 in Miami). And that is with Jordan having little time to get in basketball shape and just jumping back in. Even with almost 2 years off of not playing basketball he stepped back on the court and was instantly the best player in the league. That is a direct comparison of the Bulls with and without him as the roster did not change.

@bpsactclass2218 Ай бұрын

The NBA all-stars were not practicing together like the 1984 Olympic team. That is an important fact. The NBA all-star rosters were different each game, so there was no player chemistry.

@KeithVinet 20 күн бұрын

Its that close between Jordan and LeBron thats why the debate lasted so long. And i think LeBron got the edge because it lasted so long. Everytime yall count him out, he comes right back in the debate. Now hes the leading scorer 4th in assist 7th in steals all time (NBA record) and career 40kpts 11kreb 11kast. Best in NBA histoy. And still playing!

@StatMan-vn7gp 20 күн бұрын

I'm not sure your reasoning for it being "so close" compared to the data in the video. It is not even remotely close as Jordan was shown superior in almost everything in the video. You are listing some all time stats which isn't the best comparison since they didn't play the same length of time. Jordan easily could have played more if he wanted to but he didn't so you can't knock him too much for that. He retired the first 2x being by far the best player in the league at the time. His all time stats would be greatly inflated if he had chosen to play a bunch of those years. If you look just at all time leader lists you will get a very skewed view of who the greatest players in any sport are. Kareem is 20th all time per game but 2nd all time total. Karl Malone is 3rd all time total but only 15th per game. The best scorers of all time are much better represented by per game averages and not all time. Same goes for assists where Lebron ranks 4th all time but only 28th per game. Magic is the best passer of all time which is shown by his per game average being first but he is only 7th all time. Why, because his career didn't last as long. But that doesn't mean that Magic is still not the greatest passer of all time by far.

@johnchapman8131 Ай бұрын

Jordan gets 6 rings and takes 4 mediocre players to greatness and their championships, regardless of what mediocre players you put with him. Lebron needs other superstars,and still only has 4

@SamyHasnaoui-ol6ok Ай бұрын

Ur saying , pippen , horace grant , and rodman are mediocre player ? Jordan has played with one team in his career . From 1987 to 1998 he has an all star caliber player + good role player . His team even when he retired in 1993 still finished with 55 win the followin season . Lebron when he left cleveland , miami and again cleveland they finished in the bottom of the league .

@Sf75178 Ай бұрын

@@SamyHasnaoui-ol6okoh look at you using easily debunked arguments. Jordan leaving wasn't the only thing that happened. They added players that would be important to the 2nd 3peat. Plus having same coach and system

@SamyHasnaoui-ol6ok Ай бұрын

@@Sf75178 i was just responded to his comment saying that jordan tm8 were bad and ur jordan to my argument saying they added players for 2 3 peat so he has a better that in the first 3 peat

@eyalsabag1772 Ай бұрын

@@SamyHasnaoui-ol6ok regarding teammates: 1.grant and dennis didnt play togather with the bulls 2.grant was a good player , and worked well in the bulls system ,but wasnt even close to bosh or kevin love 3. dennis was 35 in 1996 and played only 55 games in 1997 ( his real contribution imo was greatly limitiing Malone on the 97 98 finals - which was crucial) 4. scottie didn play in the 1991 and 1998 all stars - and missed 38 games in 1998 5. the 4th and 5th playes on the bulls where really medicore and one dimensional ( BJ , Pax, harper ( riddled with injuries) tony ( no defense ) so not 4 plumbers- but aside from pippen who was very unstable especially in the first three peat- not awesome talents.

@Officiallyjaystick Ай бұрын

Use Basketball Metrics - This is what truly measure performance. That is the objective metric and with that - the below is not even an all inclusive list of Objective Metrics... 1st off - winning titles is a team accomplishment and you must have and be on a SQUAD ....to win a NBA Championship Jordan played with Horace Grant - #19 all time in Offensive Rebounds for 3 titles....and Dennis Rodman - #4 all time Offensive Rebounds.....The Great Pat Riley once accurately said NO REBOUNDS - NO RINGS....MJ had these ELITE All Time great guys getting the Bulls extra possessions - #4 and #19 was and is now their ALL TIME OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING RANKING.....he also had Steve Kerr WHO IS #1 ALL TIME with the highest shooting % from 3 THAT'S ALL TIME....and BJ Armstrong also top 13 ALL TIME SHOOTING % FROM 3.....Hodges and Paxson.....ELITE FLOOR SPACING.....Coaching and Pippen.....To sum up the team Jordan was on....they won 50+ games after his first retirement - If Lebron joined a 50+ win team - What do you think would happen? Continuity matters....it is easy to stay with a SUPER TEAM.....that's what that was - a well put together SUPER SQUAD....than to bust it up and win with different guys and coaches and systems and cities......that is my opinion but based on those teammates and coach [Phil Jackson] that he has But now back to BASKETBALL OBJECTIVE METRICS - and I won't even list them all - BUT JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE A POINT: LEBRON #1 ALL TIME LEADING SCORER - PLAYOFFS AND REGULAR SEASON...and that's with him being on the Lakers and not making deep runs and even missing playoffs. ONLY PLAYER WITH A TRIPLE QUINTUPLE IN NBA HISTORY [40000 points, 11,000+ rebounds AND 11,000+ assists] no other player has 28,000, 8,000 and 8,000 Lebron is still sprinting up and down the court - Year 21 - constantly being described as BEST TRANSITION PLAYER ALL TIME #4 ALL TIME IN REGULAR SEASON ASSISTS [and probably will pass Chris Paul to be #3 all time in regular season career assists] ALL TIME LEADER IN PLAYOFFS IN ASSISTS, STEALS, GAMES WON, SERIES WON 8 STRAIGHT FINALS APPEARANCES WITH TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS [Miami Heat & Cleveland Cavaliers] 3 NBA TITLES WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS....3 FINALS MVPS WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS.... Different Sidekicks, Coaches, and Rosters...3 DIFFERENT OWNERS MOST NBA ALL STAR VOTES [folks don't realize this - but by tens of millions - not close] MOST ALL STAR APPEARANCES MOST ALL NBAs...... and MOST TOP 5 FINISHES IN NBA MVP VOTINGS MOST CONSECUTIVE SEASONS AVG 25 PPG.....[not close .....LBJ 20....Durant maybe 2nd at 12] MOST NBA PLAYER OF MONTH ALL TIME [not close] MOST NBA PLAER OF WEEK ALL TIME [not close] MOST CONSECUTIVE GAMES SCORING 10 PPG [lebron well over 1200 games - Jordan 2nd at 880 or so - not close] MOST COMBINED MINUTES PLAYED ALL TIME [LEBRON AROUND 68000......everyone else washed and done by now - LBJ Still Playing Year 21 and heading into Year 22 - Again Not Close] HAS A TON OF YOUNGEST TO NBA RECORDS....meaning was in NBA before Jordan and other All Time greats and was playing at a Great Level at age 18 and HAS A TON OF OLDEST TO NBA RECORDS.....meaning Lebron was and is still in the NBA after Jordan and other greats retired and playing at a Great Level beyond when others were washed up or retired WHEN SOMEONE SAYS CHASE DOWN BLOCK - WHAT PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? WHEN SOMEONE SAYS "THE BLOCK" WHAT GAME, AND PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? yeah right - Cavs - Warriors Game 7 -- LBJ and Igadola LEBRON HAS 54 PLAYOFF GAMES WHERE HE LED HIS TEAM IN POINTS, REBOUNDS AND ASSISTS - NBA RECORD Nikola Jokic just passed Larry Bird and is 2nd All Time with 15 [AGAIN NOT CLOSE] THERE ARE LIKE 30 MORE OF THESE I CAN TYPE.....but can't and won't Our kids kids won't understand this video and the comments in this thread or the other haters in the media that has this MJ bias..... By basketball metrics it is clearly LBJ WE WERE ALL WITNESSES! stop hatin!

@louiesantander5610 Ай бұрын

LEBRON TO ME IS A QUITTER WHILE MJ IN HIS MIND NEVER QUITS EVEN TEY ARE DOWN EVERY MINUTE THAT'S A CHAMPION MENTALITY":)

@ubuiltlikeafrog1200 21 күн бұрын

He quit twice

@jessiegomez8209 Ай бұрын

Kobe was swept 3 times.Jordan 2.Shaq 6.Magic and Kareem 2 times in the finals 3 times overall.Duncan 2 times.

@belchristian4696 Күн бұрын

The eye test, Jordans artistry is unmatched, the beauty of his majesty is soothing to the basketball soul, akin to Lynn Swann of the Pittsburgh Steelers

@figgstersadventures9132 Ай бұрын

MJ is The Goat, because he didnt lose to Jason Terry!

@Officiallyjaystick Ай бұрын

Use Basketball Metrics - This is what truly measure performance. That is the objective metric and with that - the below is not even an all inclusive list of Objective Metrics... 1st off - winning titles is a team accomplishment and you must have and be on a SQUAD ....to win a NBA Championship Jordan played with Horace Grant - #19 all time in Offensive Rebounds for 3 titles....and Dennis Rodman - #4 all time Offensive Rebounds.....The Great Pat Riley once accurately said NO REBOUNDS - NO RINGS....MJ had these ELITE All Time great guys getting the Bulls extra possessions - #4 and #19 was and is now their ALL TIME OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING RANKING.....he also had Steve Kerr WHO IS #1 ALL TIME with the highest shooting % from 3 THAT'S ALL TIME....and BJ Armstrong also top 13 ALL TIME SHOOTING % FROM 3.....Hodges and Paxson.....ELITE FLOOR SPACING.....Coaching and Pippen.....To sum up the team Jordan was on....they won 50+ games after his first retirement - If Lebron joined a 50+ win team - What do you think would happen? Continuity matters....it is easy to stay with a SUPER TEAM.....that's what that was - a well put together SUPER SQUAD....than to bust it up and win with different guys and coaches and systems and cities......that is my opinion but based on those teammates and coach [Phil Jackson] that he has But now back to BASKETBALL OBJECTIVE METRICS - and I won't even list them all - BUT JUST ENOUGH TO MAKE A POINT: LEBRON #1 ALL TIME LEADING SCORER - PLAYOFFS AND REGULAR SEASON...and that's with him being on the Lakers and not making deep runs and even missing playoffs. ONLY PLAYER WITH A TRIPLE QUINTUPLE IN NBA HISTORY [40000 points, 11,000+ rebounds AND 11,000+ assists] no other player has 28,000, 8,000 and 8,000 Lebron is still sprinting up and down the court - Year 21 - constantly being described as BEST TRANSITION PLAYER ALL TIME #4 ALL TIME IN REGULAR SEASON ASSISTS [and probably will pass Chris Paul to be #3 all time in regular season career assists] ALL TIME LEADER IN PLAYOFFS IN ASSISTS, STEALS, GAMES WON, SERIES WON 8 STRAIGHT FINALS APPEARANCES WITH TWO DIFFERENT TEAMS [Miami Heat & Cleveland Cavaliers] 3 NBA TITLES WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS....3 FINALS MVPS WITH 3 DIFFERENT TEAMS.... Different Sidekicks, Coaches, and Rosters...3 DIFFERENT OWNERS MOST NBA ALL STAR VOTES [folks don't realize this - but by tens of millions - not close] MOST ALL STAR APPEARANCES MOST ALL NBAs...... and MOST TOP 5 FINISHES IN NBA MVP VOTINGS MOST CONSECUTIVE SEASONS AVG 25 PPG.....[not close .....LBJ 20....Durant maybe 2nd at 12] MOST NBA PLAYER OF MONTH ALL TIME [not close] MOST NBA PLAER OF WEEK ALL TIME [not close] MOST CONSECUTIVE GAMES SCORING 10 PPG [lebron well over 1200 games - Jordan 2nd at 880 or so - not close] MOST COMBINED MINUTES PLAYED ALL TIME [LEBRON AROUND 68000......everyone else washed and done by now - LBJ Still Playing Year 21 and heading into Year 22 - Again Not Close] HAS A TON OF YOUNGEST TO NBA RECORDS....meaning was in NBA before Jordan and other All Time greats and was playing at a Great Level at age 18 and HAS A TON OF OLDEST TO NBA RECORDS.....meaning Lebron was and is still in the NBA after Jordan and other greats retired and playing at a Great Level beyond when others were washed up or retired WHEN SOMEONE SAYS CHASE DOWN BLOCK - WHAT PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? WHEN SOMEONE SAYS "THE BLOCK" WHAT GAME, AND PLAYER DO YOU THINK OF???? yeah right - Cavs - Warriors Game 7 -- LBJ and Igadola LEBRON HAS 54 PLAYOFF GAMES WHERE HE LED HIS TEAM IN POINTS, REBOUNDS AND ASSISTS - NBA RECORD Nikola Jokic just passed Larry Bird and is 2nd All Time with 15 [AGAIN NOT CLOSE] THERE ARE LIKE 30 MORE OF THESE I CAN TYPE.....but can't and won't Our kids kids won't understand this video and the comments in this thread or the other haters in the media that has this MJ bias..... By basketball metrics it is clearly LBJ WE WERE ALL WITNESSES! stop hatin!

@kennyg1358 Ай бұрын

@@OfficiallyjaystickKeep pasting that for another 20 years and MJ will still be the GOAT, the true 23.

@bpsactclass2218 Ай бұрын

The reason why Bird is not at the top of any statistics is because Bird would come out of games when the Celtics had secured the win. However, Jordan was forced to play as much as possible because the Bulls were not good until the very late 80s. That allowed Jordan to build up stats.

@TELJAN Ай бұрын

We all know, if you would see the guy in the red taking the defensive stance, all ready and focused, you would shit yourself.

@wenonaman6042 Ай бұрын

The GOAT debate ended in 2011.

@jerico6731 27 күн бұрын

No. The goat debate ended in 1994. When the jordan less bulls shouldve been the east champ.

@user-dc5hf6em2s Ай бұрын

This era of sports media. Is delusional at best. I've been involved in sports. Sense a young child. I've closely watched both careers. It's really nowhere near close. MJ did more. In less time. Then he also had less than stellar talent. On his teams. Keep in mind. In a way more physical era. So in my opinion. People can gtfoh with LeBron James G.O.A.T Talk!!!

@xengthao2135 Ай бұрын

Hope you watching this Brown!

@ryanhernandez3946 21 күн бұрын

i think truthfully the line is razor thin and people who MJ is the goat to still want MJ to be at a level and untouchable, and they don’t like that someone is truly so close and a legitimate argument. the only reason they don’t care about kobe is a mixture of a few reasons, 1 he’s passed away, 2 in the actual statistics they aren’t equal, they can discount the first 3 peat bc kobe wasn’t the best player on that team, and 3 while he had that supposed ’killer instinct’ that they think bron doesn’t have for watever reason, they can still justify it in the end as “well kobe jus took all of MJs moves so he isn’t really the goat” as opposed to bron a few reasons they hate him 1 he has played for 21 seasons, they really just can’t stand he’s played for so long and will default “ well if MJ played for 21 seasons” ignoring the fact that the last 2 seasons MJ was a shell of his former self, 2 they don’t like that bron has been on a few different teams and not bringing all his chips to 1, which is completely ignoring the era of basketball we have been in for the past 15 years when stars move teams a lot more freely, and most teams look to become contenders with existing talent and trades, not home grown from the draft and 3 they don’t like that bron has had a slightly lower peak dominance (meaning his scoring total) despite MJ and bron having 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT STYLES of basketball, MJ was the number 1 option the offense was built around him getting scoring looks, and bron was always jus kinda ‘here carry us completely and we will not really try to get talent around you until ur past ur prime’

@BrOWnsR4real Ай бұрын

James is a crybaby! Can u imagine him going against those old Detroit or Knicks teams lol. Im a die hard Det fan and i hated MJ but there is no debate! Also, James leaving to form a super team in Miami made me sick! None of the okd greats wouldve ever done that!

@pocscg Ай бұрын

This man works for Skip and undisputed 😂😂😂😂

@Noifsnobutsnococonuts-rj4kk Ай бұрын

No he don’t, he’s just telling you stuff you didn’t want to hear.

@joshuwariusthe1st612 Ай бұрын

This was a great video

@user-ug7yz2wr5m Ай бұрын

The Goat Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, Bird , Olajuwon , Majic and every one else

@joeysweet9045 Ай бұрын

Can't argue with that but I would throw Kobe Bryant in there somewhere though! But you are dead on it!

@mondyn5870 Ай бұрын

The debate had already ended MJ is the goat

@marcdasco4866 Ай бұрын

the debate between lebron and jordan will end when lebron retires. its just marketing for the nba. lebron is the more popular nba player today so everyone in the nba marketing team is using him for that... marketing, while hes still around...........after lebron retires, the nba will move on from him and look for another superstar to compare to mj and milk money from......the nba today is being ran by money. everything is scripted. just like wrestling.....no more real competition, no more real offense, no more defense. just scripts for their benefit......jordan will always be the greatest individual basketball talent, everyone who watched him play knows that....its just a matter of who the nba will use next to compare to him for their marketing

@ReddieHdot Ай бұрын

Anthony edwards next up when gets his first ring watch it set up for nobody to get 6 rings or more nba not letting lb curry get 6 they will spread tht chip around so much a team tht never won one is up now..

@ReddieHdot Ай бұрын

The nba aint letting nobody pass up mj...not kobe tim lb curry etc..

@user-cn8mr1ps5p Ай бұрын

The real goat mj...lebron groat stack teams,trade team mates,load management + adam silver

@LEVAZ0ID Ай бұрын

I'd rather watch Jordan dribbling the ball, that watch LeBron scoring

@diegodelarosa1925 Ай бұрын

That’s the fact of all this fantasy question.

@ReddieHdot Ай бұрын

Nothing to debate....facts...over hype...

@richie7595 Ай бұрын

Come on man. There no debate. MJ is and will continue to be the Goat.

@BrOWnsR4real Ай бұрын

Here's the deciding factor for me. With the game on the line who would u rather have the ball. James or Jordan?? Jordan, Bird, Kobe all had that killer instinct! James never had that! He wouldn't have survived in that era of the NBA

@chrislong8559 Ай бұрын

Also LeBron was scared doing dunk contests didn't want to do them cause if he failed would have been embarassed.

@English_MoFo Күн бұрын

If they were both 25 years old and played a game of 21, LeFlop would score 2 points, and that’s being very generous 💯

@stoniearterberry-me5fl Ай бұрын

Oh LeBronda 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. This whole thing should of never started. Saying not even close is too close. The only reason why LeBronda's still having some success is because today's NBA is weak !!!!!

@mattmacdonald2017 Ай бұрын

Is that the goldeneye track? Brings me back some good memories!

@bpsactclass2218 Ай бұрын

When comparing a players accomplishments during their first nine seasons, Bird dominates every player including Jordan. Bird suffered a season-ending injury during his 10th season which eventually ended his career. He was not the same after that. Bird also did that during the 80s, the best decade of the NBA.