Better gear does not make you faster but it makes your hobby more enjoyable and therefore it makes you faster.

For those who dont know he got it mixed up. The logitech g29 is a gear driven wheel. It ranks 1. Direct drive (G pro) 2. Belt driven (T300 3. Gear driven (g29) with a few exceptions like hybrids.

You can get 90% of the way to the fastest lap times on any FFB wheel. The last 10% is where the gear starts to matter. I still drive on the G29. Been doing it for well over 4 years now and even though i only occasionally have tried some of my racing buddies DD wheels, each time i sit behind one, it takes no more than 3 laps to absolutely destroy my personal best times done on the G29. I talking dropping from mid 1.47s at Monza to mid 1.45s with the R8 GT3 Evo 2 in ACC. At Mount Panorama my personal best on the G29 is 2:00:200. Completely destroyed in the first flying lap with my buddy's Moza R16 to 1:58:122. But for me personally the difference is the biggest at the track i almost started hating for how slow i was compared to some other people - Spa. Was lapping consistent high 2:17 to low 2:18s on the G29, which dropped to 2:15:355 - over 3 seconds of improvement on a track famous with its technical corners. The combination of better feel through the wheel and the overall much better experience with the load cell pedal massively improves consistency. There are no moments when the wheel gets overwhelmed and starts clipping, missing vital traction information, leading to a slide or brake lock. Id say if you start with the G29 and get the bug, you should switch to DD wheel before you start hating the racing, because it's really frustrating when you know your limiting factor is the hardware.

Now let's see if VR makes you faster 😉

We had a G29 and moved to the G Pro wheel and pedals, no going back after driving with a DD wheel and load cell pedals. Massive difference. Pro wheel/pedals also the most fun.

Yes (I think so) My experience: I play with a t150 (not the pro) in simulators like Live for Speed ​​​​and AMS 1 Things you can buy that will make you better (if you are good) -The screen: I play with a small 3:4 and 60 Hz monitor and being small you can't take full advantage of the track since you can hardly see it -The steering wheel: having a steering wheel with low force feedback makes you not feel the limit of the car, which is equivalent to going at 100%, with more than 5nm of force you can already notice where the maximum grip is and find the limit of the car -The pedals: having cheap plastic and soft pedals means you can't be precise when braking or exiting corners, causing understeer and oversteer Yes, for me a more expensive one makes you better

You should've tried driving with the dualsense using the gyro steering as another option. That's how I play with GT7 and it's really great. The hapticks are good enough to give you details about how your car drives and behaves on different road surfaces with the benefit of steering the car like you would with real steering wheel.

Good on ya mate - seems like a decent channel

Ive went down this rabbit hole for the last 6 years.....NO. practice makes you faster, not 3k worth the equipment. Your welcome

Biggest difference I found going from a G920 to a 23nm DD was my ability to catch slides and mistakes. The immediacy and power of the DD makes it obvious what the car is doing and makes it a lot easier to feel the limit of grip. You can be just as fast with an elastic band wheel as you can with a high end DD. It will just take you unimaginably longer to find the ideal inputs with no feedback to go on.

JORGE! This is one of the Best SIM Rig Comparisons videos EVER! And I've been into this for over 12 years. Only problem is I am with Team FANATEC!

This is the most professional video I've seen on the topic. You're a legend, keep it flat out. Also the Pro Wheel/Pedals on ACC is god-tier.

2:06 not related, but would appreciate if you could share where you got your wall slats from

great video really helped thank you

Thank you for this content 🎉

Amazing video as always! You may or may not remember me from the livestream but I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed it and think you should stream more often.

The G29 isn't belt driven its gear driven unless there was an update. B'se I had one and then moved tp T300 which is actually belt driven and it was a night and day upgrade with noticable improvements. Can't wait to move to DD tho that will be down the line when I upgrade from a kick stand style rig to a sim cockpit( could be built or foldable like those in your video).

I also own a Playseat Trophy and had the same Problem that the bottom part moves away from the seat while Racing. I tried Fiber Grip and for me it solved the problem.

The Logitech G920 is still the most popular racing wheel on Amazon because Amazon doesn't actually offer a wide range of Racing wheels and bases outside of the Chinese market.

The question is not if it makes you faster, but it makes more fun. It’s all about immersion. Great Video, btw! Very well produced. 👍

I've been contemplating getting a wheel for a while, but I think I'll stick with a controller for the first couple of weeks/months playing GT7, then eventually get a G29 or something along the lines . I don't think I can ever justify buying a direct drive wheel though unless I was getting really competitive.

A better wheel doesn't make you faster if you are already really skilled, it makes you more consistent. If you're not that quick like this guy then yeah you might see a big improvement

Use nail polish or thread lock on bolts if they loosen like you say on braking over time. Thanks for the video. My kid wants me to build a sim.

i started with a G29 (not belt driven) and upgraded to a thrustmaster TGT2 (belt driven) just the other day, the difference between the two are absolutely amazing, i’ve found myself starting to try manual and getting to used to it quite fast, the force feedback on the thrustmaster is absolutely bob on, it’s much more immersive, i drive in VR also and have a trophy playseat, it definitely helps having good equipment, this weekend i raced about 1500 miles on GT7 😂💀

interesting test!

what's the game name that you were playing at the start of the vid?

I use ratchet straps on my play seat trophy to prevent the pedals from sliding away over time! Takes away from the aesthetics a bit but must needed IMO

Having a sim rig adds immersion and makes sim driving more fun, but that's about it

In playset trophy can be monted a dd r5 by moza?

Great video bro! Love the McLaren shirt btw

Wow, great review. If it can improve your speed over the g29, then for me, it might be worth upgrading at some point. Because on spa using my g29, my best speed is 2.17.753, and i would love to improve that, like you say, you can't always feel when you're losing the rear end off your car from a corner .

Amazing content. Your content is amazing you look like a friendly guy. :D

Wow thats a pretty big gain lol massive actually.

Yes it does, especially loadcell pedals.

the Loadcell probably makes up the most difference. also all G wheels are gear driven and not belt driven

On NASCAR oval racing i immediately had more speed and consistency using a 12nm La Prima instead of a 2nm T150. The way you can feel the track and your cars' limit such as being able to counter act an oversteer before it is too late felt a bit like cheating at first. On Road racing though I am just as slow as before.

The brakes. That's what matters most. I mean, direct drive wheels give more feedback, sure, but there's NOTHING holding back your racing than a lack of braking control

I think it saves your back in the long run anyway 😂

VR all the way!

Pedals do, but not wheels they just make it more fun

To poor to get the Pro but id love to have one man!

So I did some quick computations; assuming I copied all the numbers and orders correctly... All of your average times are statistically significant (based on 95% confidence intervals). So if an average time shown is the fastest, then it is the fastest (outside a < 5% chance of random chance that it isn't). The Pro wheel was the fastest 4 out of the 6 tracks, the G29 was fastest at one track (Mt. Panorama) while the Dual Sense was the fastest at one track (Red Bull Ring). What's also interesting, however, is the confounding factor you pointed out in your video; when the Pro wheel was used first (IE the order in which the various control types was used). I'm going to call them stints here (1st stint, 2nd stint, 3rd stint). You were never the fastest on your 1st stint, you were fastest on your 2nd stint 2 out of 6 times (Daytona and Trial Mountain), and you were the fastest on your 3rd stint 4 out of 6 times. The 2 with the 2nd stint being fastest was set using the Pro Wheel. You were slowest on your 1st stint on all tracks except one (Red Bull Ring) where you ran with the Pro wheel.

Short answer yes. Long answer that's what these videos are for.

If you are slower with good gear compared to lower grade gear (G29 and gamepad) it means your skill and driving understanding up to pace to utilize the good gear. Basically We should start with a "cheap" wheel that is G29 or thrustmaster T300 and learn to drive a wheel. Both wheels will crap on lack of advanced FFB sensations that would indicate what's going on but these 2 wheels are cheap enough and defacto good enough to train you and teach you all the fundamentals of fast driving. Learning proper car racing, your ability to hold the car with the wheel, corrections etc etc... Then after a year or two when you feel you aren't improving anymore and you already are racing within a second or two per lap from fastest drivers in the world is the good indicator that you acquired everything you can using these wheels and is time to upgrade to something good and advanced like direct drive from logitech fanatec simucube (you name it) with a good load cell brake as then you already have the fundamentals of what it means to drive fast and what its like to drive fast with all the techniques becoming second nature... that you can extrapolate all that extra the good gear offers you like much better FFB, smooth response, good and pressure tech brakes etc... And best of all... If you are still there driving if not every day or every 2 - 3 days after a year or two with G29 or T300 it means you survived the hype and like to race so it is SAFE to invest into expensive gear that you will use instead of feeling remorse because you don't like to race and wasted all that money.

2000$ for jusr five sec is crazy and i know it feels better but still

yes it does, but if you have more quality rig, you play on playseat challenge which is shit for DD and LC pedals

$2,500 for a lawn chair rig, no way!!!

What do you do for work other than KZfaq

Gran Turismo isn't the best example for this comparison, the force feedback is quite limited and the physics are weird when it comes to grip levels. Os something like Assetto Corsa Competizione the difference would probably be even more noticeable.

There is bias with the pro because he’s used to using that wheel so he should’ve gotten a new expensive wheel and a new cheap wheel

Would have went for a moza or fanatec system for that money

$3,000 in equipment makes your wallet lighter, and lighter cars = more fast

Yes it does

You are 2 fast 2 handsome.

there is a big difference, it does make you faster, gt7 isn't the best game to test it on and logitech doesn't make the best direct drive wheel. but, and the big big but, you don't need to spend the money to enjoy it. the cheapest stuff will allow you to have fun and enjoy it.

you could buy simagic, fanatec or moza gear, but you decided to buy logitech, its been like 2 years and they never released wheels or upgrades for their eco system.. you could buy better for the same price and cockpit

Forza and a Xbox controller has been fun as fuck for hundreds of hours to me!

The G29 & 920 are gear driven. Not belt. Belt & Direct Drive are more high end.

They do... just

I would love to get the Pro Wheel and change from my Thrustmaster TGT2, which is a very good Wheel btw. But my only BIG Problem is the Shifter. I love to drive manual shifted Cars in GT7 and the Thrustmaster Shifter is one of the best on the Market and it feels so Amazing. I dont understand Logitech, releasing the Pro Wheel and Pedals but no Pro Shifter ? Having to use this toyish little crappy feeling Logitech Shifter is absolutely awful and no Option for me :(

Overall great quality of video, but such a misleading message.... There's no way the "Pro" wheel (or any kind of wheel for that matter) will make you 6 seconds quicker over a single lap. Had to stop the video after seeing Suzuka times... Skill and practice is what matters the most. Even using the controller you could get as fast or at least close to the most advanced wheel. I will agree that overall experience with the wheel will be much more realistic, but it won't make you A+ or A driver from a C or D driver

Your missing the psvr2 , it will make your experience 10 x better.

expensive equipment does not make you faster. it makes your experience more realistic.

Is not about the fastest for me it's all about the immersion, I want to feel inside a cockpit of a race car , behind the wheel , very close to the ground , some people don't care about this , they only care about competition and to be fast at possible, we al different

Fair conclusion, but from my experience lobby's are super competitive and even a differenc eof 0.5 to 1.0 per lap means a 5-10 second lead for a 10 lap race. Sim racing is Pay to win

i got the g920 whit shifter and it cost me arround 300 euro`s

Finaly someone who saying the truth...am sry guys but yes better gear will made you faster, that doesnt make you win every race...but it will improve your time for sure...so if we take 2 "noobs" or average player to race, the one with better gear will get better time...in the end can you be competitive with G29, yes..., but its much harder....compare that with 2 mens going to run, one have boots other have sneakers, now who would win? it depend on runner?, yes, but which one is easier and comfortable?...same with wheel, i was Logitech (momo,G27,G923) user, and i know that wheel will give you a very low feel of whats going on with car, lot of oversteer, cose you simply dont feel where is limit of car and so on...everything this guy said is truth 100%

I built my own racing sim a few years ago and sold it to travel the world, i don't think I've ever had a more enjoyable hobby than my racing sim, easily worth the price (like 5-6k with the PC).. Just buy a 5k cheaper car.

The answer is always in real life experience Does hardware and setups matter in real racing? Yeah, they do. Put the top F1 driver in bottom of the barrel car, he will win zero races. Put the top Nascar driver in the worst car and pit crew, he's going to win zero races. So the same will be said in sim racing. If you're racing against the same level opponents, but they have better hardware and in race setups, they will beat you. Sim racing really ends up being pay to win (with some minor exceptions), just like real life racing

its not the wheel its the brakes!

I would say for a majority of people that would make them slower.

Why does every video like this talk about if it's faster? what about as close to real life car as possible? that is what I care about at least

If you only want to get faster, invest in some good load cell pedal. But to enjoy your new load cell pedal, you need it to not move, so invest in a solid rig. Now, your wheel looks like a toy, so invest in a DD wheel. Now you are sitting too far away of your monitor, so invest in a bigger monitor. Enjoy your 2k debt.

the g29 is gear driven, not belt, the Logitech pro wheel and pedals, I understand that they work with Xbox, there are much much better options for that ungodly price tag

Does Expensive Sim Racing Gear Make You Faster? Nope.

I only last for 20 secs now … both wives not happy

Belt driven g29? Its gear driven

Your times are so inconsistent and so far from pace that I don't think you are the right person to be doing this experiment. You need to know how to drive to really take advantage of a direct drive wheel and loadcell pedals where you might be more than a second faster because of how you can read over and understeer and the speed at which you can correct an oversteery car and push it to the limit. Anyone reading this, direct drives and specially loadcell pedals or active pedals will make you faster as you can be much more precise and consistent with your inputs. But none of that matters if you don't know how to trail break or induce under or oversteer, so you are better off investing in driving lessons and you'll get faster times regardless of the hardware (which the guy in the video should)

I know you mean well, but this is false Don't make people think that money matters. I know you said otherwise, but there are the lap times. Any controller with enough axis can be a weapon in the right hands.

bro g92 has gears not belts check info before doing a video...

Sponsored by Logitech lol

No.

Only dephends how do you love simracing !!! I have playseat chellenge 150 dollar and Fanatec clubsport v2.0 from 2014 used for 200 dollar and gt3 ACC i have world third place lap in Brand Hatch ! so you can pay 20 .000 dollar for asatek even but you dont will be faster if you dont love the race and you dont put your ours to pactice !!! expensive gear never help !!!! NEVER !!!!!

Gran Turismo is a horrible game to test this out as it is not very realistic. The fact is, you can be equally as quick with both gear driven or direct drives even in proper simulators, but if you use them to transfer your skill to a real car, then direct drive is the way to go

lol this is bullshit, sorry.

GT is an "arcade game". Try on a real sim.

You don't remember what the minimum kg of force you used do you? And if it flexed at that setting?

Would of been good if you did about 5 practice laps and then went out, because clearly you were learning the track and the car more as you went on.

There are much better wheel base choices and Rig choices for less money. For instance the CSL DD and elite v2 pedals are substantially better than the new Logitech base (which is way overpriced IMO). Just did'nt wanna turn off beginners thinking it costs this much for a decent setup. It's not cheap... but a great experience can be had for a decent price!