I still like and consider Xehanort one of the best and biggest villains of KH. I know this is from your point of view and i respect your opinion but still i totally disagree with all those arguments and still preffer him the way he is in franchise even now. He is not the worst video game villain of all time. Kyric from Sonic Boom is the real worst of them all.

Josh im also a fan of Kingdom Hearts, and i know its story is a bt confusing but still i enjoy the main villain Xehanort, lore, battles, his impact, i don't see him as a bad villain, quite the opposite.

​@@centurynerdbr​ Excuse me, can you Calm down We get it the first time

Overall really solid list josh but I am kinda suprised that navarro and xande didn't make up

Still a better ad sponsor than Raid Shadow Legends.

But to quote Charriii5: "If I have to consult to an external source to understand the plot of something, that's bad storytelling."

@@GhostGuy99 More just pointing out that the manga expanded on the stupidity of the plot of the games and justified it a hell of a lot better. Less of an external source and more of a retelling that improves on the source material.

I was actually about to point that out too and apparently the reason he disowned bede is because he didn't want bede's name to be trashed like his would be if it was ever found out rose was behind everything they also brought up the darkest day plot earlier in the manga than the games too overall it's plot was still a bit stupid but was done a bit better there I think the anime did it a bit better too (key word think because I don't remember too much about it there)

@@GhostGuy99 That does not apply here tho. The manga is its own story, it does not give further understanding of the games.

The funniest part is how his brother helps the player find Regieleki, which would have solved Rose's problems.

That's why Yuuki Terumi is my favorite Blazblue character. He's absolutely vile but he's so entertaining to watch that you almost overlook it.

It sometimes helps if the villain is completely self aware what they doing is evil yet owns it and even mocks the protagonist/hero for trying to redeem them, a good example is Frieza from DBZ, he's willing to work with Goku for a common cause in the Tournament of Power arc yet when Frieza gets a get out of Hell card with a resurrection as a reward for participating in the tournament to save universe 7 (Goku and Frieza's home realm) he straight up admits he won't give up his evil ways and afterwards rebuilds his empire then terrorizes universe 7 once more.

Another great example is ‘Big’ Jack Horner from PIB: TLW

Yep that is why I prefer villains like Joker or King Ghidorah and Endgame Thanos over villains like Infinity War Thanos. I feel a good villain can be an almost total monster but have one or two moments to show they aren't completely evil also works. For example, in Breaking Bad, The Cousins were great villains and regularly kill random people in the name of no witnesses, but when they test out the ballistic vests they buy from an arms dealer and by shooting him but when the vest saves, his life, they pay and leave.

@@lynxfresh5214 Agreed. That is why William Dafoe's Green Goblin was great.

They stole what could've been a great story for Zacian and Zamazenta just so Gamefreak can vent on critics by turning them into a character. Gotta love it. Flare, Macro Cosmos and them are the three villains the writers were butting heads on who should go on the list, and I'm the only one who voted for them.

Uggh, they were SO incredibly annoying. Going through the post story in Sword and Shield was SO grating because of them. I didn't even MIND Macro Cosmos, but those two were the absolute WORST.

Yeah if I could have a free nut shot I would do a mid air split to get them both

What's funny is XY (the first 3D mainline Pokémon titles) had a far more cohesive postgame story with Looker and the remains of Team Flare without actually involving any legendary Pokémon and unlike Gen 8 didn't have the benefit of DLC nor an enhanced version like Gen 7. It makes you think.

the villians in gen 8 in general are probably the worst pokemon villains. and the fact that they make swordward and shielbert even worse than rose is an accomblishment in itself

That's a very unfair comparison when all of Leto's scenes were butchered out of the movie by the studio. We never actually got him.

@@user-mx4is4fx3c No we did. A good actor would still deliver a good performance despite the editing. Henry Cavill still managed to play Superman despite a bad director and getting most of his scenes cut.

@@emberfist8347 When did Henry have his scenes cut?

@@user-mx4is4fx3c BvS there was significant cuts to the scenes of Superman.

Why do I keep finding you everywhere?

I'm pretty sure people have pointed out that to Josh ever since KH3 was released but apparently he doesn't care.

​@@DarkOverlord96Oh. So I'm late to that party. ...crud.

That's still "destroying the world to save it"

@@floricel_112 So? At least one sounds more cohesive for a villain who just wants to end it all and remake the universe in his own image instead of "I'm actually a good guy on the side of light, guys, I actually hate darkness, light is way past cooler, darkness is for lamers!"

My biggest problem with the translation is it wouldn't make sense. Balance? Darkness is just shown to corrupt, kill, and destroy worlds. Meanwhile light is always portrayed as good, except when they try to take down darkness....the thing killing everyone...

PARADOX WAS GONNA KILL BENTLY MOMENTS AFTER HE HAD BEEN CRIPPLED...…. damn if that happened we could have said that all sly cooper villains are insane madmen

Name? Please?

@@motherfuckingenterprises7436 Dressed to steal by Tatsurou. Just a heads up it's a MLP crossover.

@@ratatoskrdfimbulventr773 is it good in general?

@@motherfuckingenterprises7436 Yes, it motivated me to pick up the Sly franchise.

Tbf the Pokémon manga gets to have far more creative liberties to expand on world building as well as be more detailed on the storytelling due to being not a major focus of the franchise (unlike the games, anime and most importantly the merchandise). A blessing in disguise tbh.

didnt even know they had a manga for that yet. on serebii they just started the x and y or black and white manga

@@saiyanscaris6530 your probably better off going to bulbapedia for info like that than serebii, cause serebii from my experience seems to be more hard focused on the games themselves than pokemon in general.

Much better than in the anime where Rose was malicious about his motives, and instead of turning himself in, HE AND OLEANA WENT INTO HIDING

Pokémon Adventures, right? Because I love this this manga. I mean... GIOVANNI KILLING TWO MAGMARS without hesitation. That happened in the manga.

To be fair, it wasn't well portrayed that was the case until the end of Dark Road. So for about a year people were left dealing with poor foreshadowing.

Thank you N

@@ShadowEclipex Maybe so, but the ending to Dark Road has been out for a year now, so that's not really an excuse for getting it wrong at this point.

@@thedothackerkeyblademaster Oh wow it has already been a year since it's finished up. I don't think it is right to discredit that confusion from still existing though. It was not a good way to convey that information.

@@ShadowEclipex I'm not discrediting anyone for being confused in the first place (hell, given Nomura, that was probably intentional), I'm criticizing a rant for containing misinformation, when the correct information has been available for a year. Even if Josh didn't play the Dark Road finale or watch it on YT, a quick trip to the KH wiki would've cleared this up.

Yep. There are so many ways to make Vilains interesting. You can make an just evil for the sake of it Villain who is interesting to watch like Jack Horner from the movie Puss in Boots: the last wish. Or you can make them Funny and loveable, like doctor Doofenschmitz from Phineas and Ferb serie. There si a wide spectrum of posiibilitis and one might be able to find a completly new one that hasnt ben used yet.

agreed, a villian has to work for what you're trying to write. It's not one size fit all shoe and I've begun to believe this as I've gotten older.

He IS, however, Ephemer's great-grandson, which... I'm not sure what that actually adds beyond making his journal comment about Eraqus being a blueblood ironic.

@StretchDude Well some speculate that Xehanort and Eraqus may actually be brothers.

It’s unbelievable that people are getting sick and tired of the constant retcons of Xehanort, a video game villain who carries the immortality of Lord Voldemort, the immense power and calculative mind of Emperor Palpatine and the world balance between Light and Darkness motivation of the MCU version of Thanos.

I'm still floored on how SWSH managed to bomb their story. SM dealt with an abusive parent too obsessed in her own goals to properly take care of her Children. XY had a king who committed mass murder to end the war, and then had to deal with the consequences. SV engages in cover ups (admittedly only briefly, but still!) and the neglect of one's own child and the ramifications that ensue, up and including the Professor's downfall and said child almost being left with no one to turn to for emotional support. And Pokemon fans put Gen V on a pedestal for good reason. And stuck in between all this, is an impatient, ill-prepared idiot. Honestly Rose, not waiting was the worst thing you've done. Otherwise, your worst crime would've been manipulating Bede to your own ends. But no, the Pokemon Company decrees that there needs to be a big climax ever since Gen III. And unlike AZ, this is a legacy you can't redeem yourself from. And don't get me started on the postgame and those buffoons who dare call themselves antagonists! Honestly, Bede, Opal, and Piers were the saving graces of that mess of a so called a story, in my opinion. The DLC is exempt though. I don't care for the Dojo, but Peony, Peonia, and Calyrex were fun.

That would have been absolutely incredible. It really is amazing just how much gen 8's story was botched. That combined with the whole dexit thing has honestly landed SwSh at the bottom of pokemon games for me. Thankfully the writing seems to be a rare miss as most other recent titles and spin offs had pretty solid stories. Even the SwSh DLC was actually pretty good story wise (I never expected to like Calyrex that much).

That what I thought was going to happen.

Maybe that was the plan, but someone higher up quashed it because it would've essentially been commentary against the Pokémon franchise itself. Or maybe all that stuff's legit suggestion of the franchise losing its way alongside the big story Sw/Sh did get.

A friend of mine had this exact same suggestion. He even said that maybe Rose could tell the player to lose to Leon on purpose and unleashes Eternatus as a big "fuck you" for not losing to Leon. But nope. Apparently 1,000 years is too soon so he decided to unleash a cosmic radioactive dragon...and nearly destroyed the world.

It's very often easier to see the problems in a story in retrospect. Hindsight is 20/20, as they say.

Not just villains. That’s often the case with any poorly executed character. Adam in Metroid Other M comes to mind, as does Anders from Dragon Age

@@Ori_Kohav i still say the authorization system could have easily just been "hey, samus. you work in a team now. could you tone down your weapons so you do not accidentally kill my squad?"

@@Underworlder5 Josh mentioned a similar idea while talking about Adam in his video about hated characters you’re supposed to like.

​@@basedeltazero714, doesn't help that crunch culture aims for the brain first

Spoilers for Berseria And on top of that, the main protagonist is 'The Lord of Calamity' And they are also related and it's actually played for the tragedy that it is.

@@Hilversumborn yeah spoilers: Velvet isn't just a "Lord of Calamity" she's the reason people like Heldalf are called "lord of Calamity", it's also kinda amusing that the honestly kinda silly overdramatic title is a product of the rumour mill.

VELVET CROWE DESERVED BETTER!

@@IliyaMoroumetz Well no "third" game was made so the good Shepard did not have a chance to save her. Also 1000 years are not enough for the changes seen!!!

I thought they were funny yet threatening, certainly better then the first games villain.

@@raoullupin5412 I thought they were interesting.

I'll be honest. I actually really liked the Calypsos.

To be fair Jack is a tall bar too cross.

If I remember a single line from the Calypso Twins, it's because it was painfully groan-worthy. "Haha, streaming, social media, get it? How do you do fellow kids?"

yeah it wasnt tsusmugi insulting them or something (she wasn't), it was the ehroes remidning them that, oh wait, these are PEOPLE we wanna see die.

the problem is that setting up a killing game that reveals the truth about danganronpa automatically gives the main cast and by extension the public the means to stop it.

Tsumugi before her death makes a small confession about her being "cosplaycat criminal" where there might be reasons why she is theorically doing things that in retrospect might not make sense logically. Though I might have a feeling Joshscorcher is part of the group of not liking V3's ending.

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He could have been corrupt and pushed for dynamax energy, even "convincing" leaders and challengers on certain tasks, such as denounce another leader, or even throw a match to keep the status quo. It would have been interesting and somewhat realistic, but nope, he had to be someone with a plan that is comparable to either Aqua/Magma in Pokémon, or APEX in Godzilla vs Kong. The latter corporation having the bright idea of using one of the heads of freaking Ghidorah as a neural basis for Mechagodzilla.

Well on the plus side we got a difficult battle of that overly powerful legendary Pokemon and is able to catch it afterwards because of his screw up in the end, sooooooooo a win I guess!

I don't even think it would be that hard to fix his motivations, either. I even wrote a villain speech for him: "They say we have one thousand years now, but in 50 years they'll be saying we only have 500, give it a century and it'll only be 100, then 50, then 20, then 10. Soon, we'll be at death's door all because no one was willing to do the right thing! I'm not about to let that happen, not when I have this once-in-a-lifetime chance." This would require a bit of a rewrite, perhaps that the opportunity to summon Eternatus only comes about once every X amount of years and happens to coincide with the championship tournament. He tries to use his influence to delay the tournament in order to gather Eternatus' power, but no one listens to him since the problem he wants to solve is so far off. This greatly frustrates him, as even though someone down the line might be able to summon Eternatus later on, the fact that no one in the present day is taking this seriously proves that we as a species are near suicidally short-sighted. That we always pawn our problems off on someone else (perhaps he could even draw a parallel with how much work we force onto our pokemon, but maybe that's too much like Team Plasma). He decides to hijack the tournament in order to solve the problem himself, no matter the cost (and the cost is great, people aren't supposed to be around when Eternatus arrives!). Although we stop him and fight back Eternatus (for now), his point still stands, and we're left pondering if we should be taking the energy crisis more seriously even if the consequences only mete out far after our lifetime. It would provide commentary on humanity's potential for great good and (in his mind) great evil, as well as an indictment of human nature. After all, the energy crisis is essentially an allegory for global warming. For all our advancements, we need to be careful that we aren't making the world a worse place lest we ruin what's left. He could point out that we have no idea just how far we can go, citing how far we have come since the stone age. His criticism of our tendency to kick the can down the road in regards to important issues is also dead accurate. While his solution to these problems is extreme, he clearly has a point. Yet, he retains his villainous edge for how little he believes in humanity and pokemon as a whole. He fails to take into account how many problems we have with our ingenuity. The energy crisis, though harrowing, is just another one of those problems, and his willingness to sacrifice others in order to be the one to "save the world" definitely paints him with a bit of an undeserved savior complex. Even if it takes a rewrite of the plot, I would like this a lot more.

​@@akilcharles3473Eternatus isn't even difficult though. Zacian can basically solo that battle. It's far more harder to lose that battle.

the thing that frustrates me more then anything about chairman rose is how he was begging leon for help with this supposed energy crisis. and you now what? Leon said "if you're really concerned, then sure. i'll help you with this energy crisis. let's just do it after this major battle everyone is looking forward to TOMOROW then we can work on it." chairman Rose couldn't wait 1 DAY to help solve a crisis that's not going to happen for 1000 years

im starting to think the Kingdom Hearts franchise is ending up like how josh said Xehanort ended up A loved franchise with weight and gravitas, slowly ended up as a joke

4:28 There, left a time stamp

Thank you for bringing an army of views for the many Chuggaconroy fans@@jordanhunter3375

All it needed was one last Mor Ardain guard saying Yer Done?! and the joke would be complete XD

DON'T FORGET ME

Not really, Josh may call himself a KH fan but some of his opinions about it are... questionable. To the point where you start to wonder if he's really a fan at all or just likes the cool boss fights and music.

@@DarkOverlord96 There are 2 types of Kingdom Hearts fans: those who play the games for the story, characters, lore and worldbuilding, and those who play for the epic boss fights, kickass music and fun gameplay.

ashitty redemption ruins evrything i my opinion

@@DarkOverlord96 It's possible to be an early fan and then become disillusioned with the franchise as it goes on. And goodness knows KH has made that very easy.

Well when a game sucks overall the villain stands out less as an issue.

Yknow Tsumugi is one of the many reasons I believe MDA: Raincode isnt Danganronpa's spiritual succsesor Raincode is Danganronpas replacement

Could be both. Has elements heavily inspired from Danganronpa but wants to make a completely new world, new characters, and new way to solve cases. @@dubstepbeecorsi6892

If you remember Tsumugi's final confession of being a "cosplaycat criminal" before she dies you could see theoretically some explanations on why there are inconsistencies in the last class trial of V3.

that is even more retarded alternative since that would be meta and it isnt meant to be meta this is like the inferior trash thinking undertales determination(ability to save and reload and reset) is actually meta thing instead of a superpower because its treated as more of a superpower that was based on a meta concept reminder for Tsumugi and Audience of that world Danganronpa is a fictional world this doesnt mean all the stuff from previous games were fake/fictional they were in fact real to that universe heck what you suggest actually fucks with the message fiction can affect people and change you still felt something to that lie/fiction

@@dubstepbeecorsi6892 Its not. Kodaka said both series are the 2D and 3D cornerstones of his corner of Spike Chunsoft.

Bubsy is a very interesting example. Despite being an arguably entertaining character, he isn't too interesting as a hero, even when compared to other vanilla protagonists I have more respect for, like Mario. The bigger problems come from, A. If you find his attempts at comedy or his voice to be irritating, B. He is very egotistical, especially in the cartoon, to the point where he treats others like trash, and C. Despite his impressive abilities like his power-ups, gliding, and apparently Fourth Wall awareness, the games themselves gave him next to no legs to stand on. Mostly due to me not having the same personal experience with Bubsy as others do, I don't hate him, but there are definitely good reasons why he's a good contender for Worst Video Game Heroes.

I can see Corrin being on that list already. XD

Conker from CONKER'S BAD FUR DAY?

Don't forget Patroklos, Awesome Possum and Yaiba Kamikaze!

@@apollorock3r244 good news Corrin is actually lovable in the fire emblem, fates manga.

More convoluted than complex. Complex van be good because it has multiple elements giving it depth, convoluted is bad because the parts become so tangled together or are so vague that you can no longer keep track of what's going on.

@@FF-tp7qs the creator of Final Fantasy, motivated the creator of kingdom hearts, to make the story more complicated because he felt it was the only way for it to succeed. Unfortunately, the kingdom hearts creator took his advice way too seriously.

Somehow, I wonder if even Xehanort lost track of his overly complex plans and just pulled the misunderstood declaration out of his ass because even he couldn't keep up with the story.

@@lightyearpig12 what about the whole Master of Masters and his bizarre plot to make the Foretellers fight each other with a story about a book of prophecy with an extra page. I can't think of any logical reason why he wanted that to happen. In any case, just take the story with a grain of salt and enjoy the combat. The combat is probably the real reason people like the games

@@FF-tp7qs hey i love the story of kingdom hearts! But even i have to admit it can get...real messy, especially after birth. After birth by sleep things...problematic, blame dream drop distance, seriously, that games nobody reveal made me so angry!

she wanted to kill melia to gain the throne i believe

I'd argue Zanza is the worst villain in XC1. Causes mass genocide so that he can live forever, but in the end spouts some nonsense that all he wanted in the end was friends. Legit said out loud "Get the fuck out of here" when he said that. Also yes, Melia is selected as the heir to the throne, don't know how Josh missed that given that it's a major plot point.

Additionally why would Lorathia aim for the throne. She already has power, she's just waiting for Zanza to return, turn the High Entia to turn in Telethia and then continue on into the next world. I mean Lorithia isn't deep or well developed but I wouldn't say she is a bad villain. Honestly I hate Xenoblade Villains like Z more for being a more "important" threat that just fails in execution for me (despite having hilarious memes).

​@@okagronZanza accidentally exploded his own universe, becoming a god in the new universe. His friends are dead, and he believes this world is a fake with nothing worth existing in it, so he will do with it as he wills - but he's still miserable about it. That Shulk can actually fight him risks elevating him to the level of 'person', and he'd like to have people to interact with... but unfortunately he still sees everyone else as insignificant while Shulk, critically, does not. It's a "Whoa, you're cool enough to matter. We should be tormenting these ants together." sort of thing.

@@basedeltazero714Nothing in the game implies this. It's just some throwaway line to make him seem deeper than he actually is, which is barely nothing. He's fine when he's in his giant form, but as soon as he returns to his original form, he becomes boring as shit.

you just described the villain of live a live. well, not the "hoping somone else will fix the mistake" part, but otherwise a perfect description

​@@Underworlder5 Oersted, a.k.a. Odio?!

@@NoelJohnCarlo exactly. did not want to name names because spoilers, but you guessed correctly

Let's not forget the rotten cherry on top of this burnt cake of FE Fate is even with the badly presented story, you still need to buy DLC for certain plot points to be explained aka preying on sunken costs. You could say there was an awakening of greed when FE stopped being a niche franchise outside the Smash community.

@@lynxfresh5214 intelligent systems, said the reason that the game has branching pathways is because they felt it was the only way to appeal to everyone. However, it also kind of made things more difficult on themselves, it shows.

It's very clear that selling the game in three pieces with one piece not even being physical was very much a higher-up choice. They straight up made the physical special edition that contains everything on the card, so they very clearly already developed it with this level of compatibility in mind, aswell as it physically being possible.

@@lynxfresh5214And even with ALL THAT DLC they STILL couldn't make any time to show us the man Garon used to be. This fucking story man.

Is it crazy to say that even videogame itself anknowledge itself with those two things? Penelope's betrayal Bentley: Wow, and I thought you were smart. Le Paradox himself. Sly: Um, an idiot! You had it made! You could have been the biggest thief of all time, but you had to target my ancestors and blow your own cover! You exposed your operation because of you ego! No Cooper would've done that! And for the record, can you really say you stole the canes? Seems like your "friends" did all the real work!

@@ivanacurna6577 It doesn't change the fact that, regarding Penelope right now, some clown in the writing team thought it was smart to make her a money hungry backstabber... even though the previous game has shown not only the opposite, but also gave... how many hints of potential betrayal? ZERO. And as proven by ALL the previous games, Bentley would rather use his smarts for the things he wants to do: Helping Sly with heists using his technological know-how and his smarts, just as much as Murray would help Sly with anything involving more strength. Would his inventions earn him money? Yeah, but it wouldn't be what he WANTS to do. And Penelope NORMALLY should be aware of this. Heck, someone once told me that her betrayal COULD probably work if Penelope was, I dunno... MIND CONTROLLED BY MISS DECIBEL?! The elephant lady who could HYPNOTIZE people using that trumpet in her trunk?! Just have Le Paradox get Penelope mind controlled by Miss Decibel, get her to act like she did in the game, but hint at the mind control being in effect in some way... the rest can write itself easily.

Hmmmmmm what makes a worse Villain??? A character betrayal that is barely hinted at if not at all, and despite their being multiple ways to make this backstab work they decided the best solution was to butcher her character and drag Bentley down even more when our boi Literally has no legs to stand on, but comes with a good boss fight OR a pathetic attempt at making a true rival to our main lead by shoehorning in info that leads to nothing and all the while being an absolute chump compared to the threatening and conniving antagonists of previous games and who's big final encounter of a rival "equal" to ours is a bunch of QTE's

​@@DoctorolivercookWell this might gonna sound farfecthed (and trust even I find it myself, hard to believe), but I think we were introduced to Penelope earlier before Sly 3 like in Sly 2 Band of Thieves. I had that suspision because I noticed something off after re-playing on 20th anniversary. Something that has been bothering me ever since. Can I share this to you?

​@@ivanacurna6577 What are you talking about? Penelope was first introduced in Sly 3. And don't expect me not to know, I have played the ps2 game.

Wow...We suck as parents if he turned out like that. XD

@@smashmaster521 Its not really our faults. We had to raise him on destiny island alone because its thought that Xehanort is a child of fate and needs to be protected from corruption. From what I've seen in the cutscenes is that we where great parents and Xehanort absolutely adored us. But I think his resentment of being trapped on a island took over because by the time pass away. He doesn't really bother with mourning.

Even then, with a scrotum face like that, everyone would still seem stupid for buying into his ruse. Kozaki's habit of drawing hideous villains is almost as bad as how he draws female clothing.

Good news king Garon is actually kind of intimidating in the FE Fates Manga.

@@orangeslash1667 The problem with Garon is that him being evil and intimidating is exactly why he doesn't work.

@@CountShaman After futher research, we do get a glimpse of Garon’s former self in the manga. Such as one scene of him being nice to Leo. I noticed your disappointment of modern FE, I recommend the game the Last Spell as an alternative option.

@@orangeslash1667 Oh no, I love modern FE. I just hate the villains most of the time.

For Armstrong he wouldn't have worked if he wasn't also strong enough to beat Raiden like a ragdoll through his monologue.

@@emberfist8347 Agreed. Everyone expected a politician bad guy to fight in a giant robot, but nobody expected the best part to be when he got out of the giant robot.

And people think that this is a valid reason to hate SwSh entirely. Bro, the story just had a bunch of holes in it. That's it. It's a game, not an interactive movie.

Are you referring to the episode, Minor Monogram?

Shhh, don't point out the holes in his rant!

​​@@DarkOverlord96I guess he doesn't listen to them.

sshhh let him live in his deluded reality

​@DarkOverlord96 No. KEEP pointing out the holes in his rants. Josh's deserves to be criticized for his misconstrued statements that have more overblown style than genuine substance.

I doubt he's listening. XD

V3's dub as a whole is like that, changing so many characters.

they have implied it so many times that it was a seperate things and people with low reading compherension skill still fail to get that

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i wouldn't even call lorithia a twist villain, she was pretty much screaming at the screen "I AM GOING TO BETRAY YOU" form the moment she showed up. her betrayal itself is treated the same- the cutscene doesn't act like it's huge reveal like metal face, or seven, or zanza's revival, or dickson. the scene just keeps on going and barely acknowledges her at all, because even if it's a surprise to the characters, it's clearly *not* a surprise to you, the player. as for her not transforming, lorithia says when she dies "i was promised immortality"- seems clear to me that zanza specifically exempted her from the transformation. he probably turned her genetic switch off back before he was sealed away

@@heathersmith4042 Ya know, given how long the High Entia live for, lady's kinda ridiculously greedy and self-entitled if you think about it. Either way, that could have been better alluded to with more screen-time to flesh her out more. That said, I don't agree that her being obvious DOESN'T make her a twist villain, just look at what I said about Mumkhar. He LITERALLY says he's going to pick Dunban's corpse clean after the Battle at Sword Valley so he can steal the Monado for himself. The story gives enough time between his "death" and his resurgence to put the idea of him being a surprise twist villain at the back of your mind, but every time you see Metal Face, something about this...thing...it just feels off, so when the reveal is finally made, it's a serious "Oh, shit!" moment because his motivations, and how he's set about them, are made clear. Dramatic irony is when we, the audience, possess knowledge that the characters don't, thus increasing the tension for the inevitable moment where shit hits the fan. It's a wonderful literary tool that Xenoblade Chronicles 1 alone uses to great effect. Lorithia is still a twist villain by definition; she's not a bad twist villain because she's obvious, she's a bad twist villain because there's not enough justification in the story for her to BE a villain in the first place; sure, you could make the argument that she's obvious because she always appears to have an ulterior motive, but then again, you could extend that to the whole of the High Entia: the story makes it clear, when you're first introduced to them, that they're a people shrouded in mystery living atop the Bionis' Head. For all we know, Lorithia's attitude isn't out of the ordinary; she's Head of the Ministry of Research, a science division, after all...she has her reasons to be secretive: knowledge, in the wrong hands, can be dangerous. With more screen-time, maybe we could have started to better understand what her deal is... Something Dickson has basically everything of, does better than, and then some.

that's probably where Penelope comes into play

Lol I remember when nicob played this and he laughed hard and mention that she has a good point

@@Yoshixandir my fellow PickyPenguin

making garon work as a villain was so easy. nohr has no resources. hoshido has lots of resources, but is not sharing. that is a perfectly good explanation for nohr invading hoshido, yet they go the "king conquers because he is evil but was actually a puppet controlled by another villain" route. make garon. they even explained away garons personality by saying that he became hardened after his lovers killed each other and most of his kids. anyone would be miserable and cynical after an experience like that all they had to do was make him nicer to his kids, explain clearly why he invades hoshido, and show (not tell) how he was before he became a villain. instead the story was handled so clumsily it just became "bad guy does bad things to be bad. he was a nice guy. not gonna show it, but trust us, he was nice. oh, and he was actually a puppet the whole time"

@@Underworlder5 Indeed, and if you had to work in the third faction for whatever reason, make it less blatant. Make it seem like there isn’t a viable recourse. Make them set up things that lead to hostility. Sabotage peace talks, ensure Nohr’s scarcity by sabotaging any food efforts and have some agents (like say Iago) make suggestions to lead to war, (again if you have to make Valla a player in this situation) It would have been so much more interesting and not that hard.

You could’ve even kept the pure evil Garon and made him effective by showing how he’s directly too intimidating for the Nohr royals to stand up to. Follow through on the Anankos who’s possessing him wanting to corrupt Corrin and have him repeatedly confront and cause strife to Corrin during their attempts to deceive Garon. Make him seem like an indomitable obstacle that is cathartic to overcome in the end, and prove that he is everything holding Nohr back from being better (a little more grey from Hoshido would be nice, but it does not need to be 50:50 to be good). Garon’s dialogue is just so bad that any threat he objectively presents isn’t actually felt

@@rustkarl Good news, Garon is actually kinda threatening in the Fates Manga.

*"especially when Regieleki is just chilling on a nearby island."* Dude, Eternatus is a way better energy source than a glorified light bulb.

@@toumabyakuya Hmmm, let's see. A living apocalypse that nearly wiped out the region once before, or a sapient generator strong enough to power a country with little risk aside from not removing it's rings... which one is the safer and more reliable energy source, I wonder?

@@timmyreobed5043 *"which one is the safer and more reliable energy source, I wonder?"* The one that can last you the longest. Otherwise, all you are doing is covering the problem instead of fixing it.

@@toumabyakuya did you not read the part that eternatus is a living apocalypse that almost destroyed a region. I’d rather pick the legendary made out of pure energy than eternatus

@@Bloody_Carnage Yes, I did. But again, post-poning the inevibatable for 100 years or more is not a good solution. So, albeit it is the most dangerous appraoch, catching Eternatus is the best approach because it brings a definitive solution to the energy crisis.

They coulda brought back Clockwerk! After all, the whole game is about going back in time to help Sly's predecessors, and every one of them fought Clockwerk! Where the hell was he all that time? And the game could end with Sly realizing that even though Clockwerk will fight all his ancestors if he doesn't kill him, doing so would have unintended consequences on the timeline. But no, stereotypical coward French man. Or maybe have the villain be a wolf and call him Arsene Lupine! Woulda at least been better than Cyrille!

@@WillieMangaSorry for the long reply but i wrote a summary for what they couldve done for a better story. Clockwerk makes Cyrille believe he came from a long line of thieves and makes Cyrille mad at the Cooper family. Cyrille tries to avenge his family so Sly goes back in time to stop him. Sly helps his ancestors while investigating Cyrilles past before having it revealed that Cyrille wasnt truly from a thief family, but it is too late then as Clockwerk already is back but more powerful from time magic or something (doesn't need to make that much sense here) The ending could go different ways but a fitting one would be that Cyrille and Sly team up to stop Clockwerk and reverse the damage. Cyrille either stops trying to be a master thief at the end and decides to do his own thing, ending that character arc, or he becomes the first actual master thief in his family line without all the time stuff.

Yeah that whole part was unclear to me. Not helped by the fact that the game hid it by not even showing what happened after the explosion, just cuts to everyone back at base.

And Batt Jr. has… as a dishonorable mention!

Xanthe from Final Fantasy 3 was the first person to come to mind with that description.

There are ways to make background villains more threatening; Handsome Jack is the perfect example. Despite not seeing him in the flesh until about 3/4th of the way through the game, he is a constant presence throughout. Between his constant taunts over the Echo, witnessing his "heroics" in action, and hearing about how he has affected the people of Pandora you can feel his influence all over the world.

To be fair Batt wanted to avenge the loss of his family so he took the life of Bishop just to get even. This whole concept of revenge could’ve worked if they didn’t drop the ball at the very end.

@@voltingmaster5458 It's very clear that Yuri Lowenthal was not a good fit for him, I think Richard Steven Horvitz would have been a better fit.

i say the rules for that one should be for one per media. one per book one per show one per cartoon, one per anime, one per game, one per manga and so on

bro "this one fic" doesnt count for crap, ESPECIALLY when you dont even give any source or name on it, come on

What about the Villains from Tales of Arise?

Kronika's an objectively worse villain than Xehanort.

Exactly. Kronika should be the Number 1 Worst Boss on this list. Xehanort doesn't deserve to be a dishonorable mention, letalone the number 1 spot.

I feel the same way.

You just reminded me of Skylanders with those elements.

Josh has always stood by his views on certain KH plot points even when people point him out that they're innacurate. He's been doing it for over 10 years.

​@@DarkOverlord96really. Man that is hard. I would me more flexible to changes.

@@DarkOverlord96 this does reduce my respect of him a quite a bit and it makes me realise he truly is a manchild that is stuck in the past repeating the same shit and never moving on

That's a tad extreme.

What about Ultima from Final Fantasy 16? He was basically the worst part of the game as his motivations are barely explored, he barely has any screen time and he’s one of those bad guys who sits on his ass and does nothing while his lieutenants do all of the hard work.

Then congratulations, Josh is feeding you misinformation. Likes he's done to countless people for years.

I helped wrote some of it. Was worried if the takes are a tad harsh, but glad to see some people like it.

That's about how I interpreted the ending. I didn't see it really much as this whole "meta" thing, as the game explicitly called the previous Killing Games "seasons" rather than games. Audience interaction was SUPPOSED to be unique to V3. But if that wasn't the case for games 1 and 2... Why bother emphasizing that? And Keebo was the character said to be the vessel for the Audience interaction anyway, being the robot, it's why the last minigame is against him as you're fighting all the rabid fans. Cause a controller will typically have more influence over a medium than a remote. Though yeah, Tsumugi herself is a bad villain.

​@@CountShamanreally. What was it like making it.

@@disneyboy3030 You mean being a writer?

@@waferdaze8017 honestly those who saw it as a meta thing are being stupid and have bad reading compherension skills just like how undertales determination save and load and reset is seen as a Meta thing instead of it being a superpower that was based on a meta thing to fuck with players specifically

I think trial 5 is my favorite in the game, but 6 is a close second.

@@simpsonsfanatic777 My favorite trial in the game is actually 3, but 6 is my favorite of the three final trials of each game

​@@funcoolfunfunV3s chapter 3 was your favorite? That's an unpopular opinion.

@@billiezeiszler608 It's hilarious and I love Kokichi's speeches to Himiko

​@funcoolfunfun Hey hey, another trial 3 fan! I love to see it. I really like that whole chapter in general because though there was so much missed potential, what we got was so bat shit insane that it made me love it. Plus, the seance scene is one my favourite moments in the whole series (Rip Tenko :( )

What about the Villains from Tales of Arise?

@@samflood5631 Volrhan was a good villain that served his purpose as a counterpoint to the MC, he wasn't the toughest boss, but i consider the fight good, The other Lords except Almedreia had at least one good quality and were being conned by the true villain, that was doing everything for the sake of it's own survival.

Which kinda sucks cause it had made it interesting conundrum in KH3 where some parts of Xehanort aren't really digging their original self and old Xehanort is kinda bamboozled how he can't see himself in SoD or Xemnas. It is kinda shame that Xehanort splits himself to many parts and story doesn't really do anything with it.

Kingdom Hearts II addition of Nobodies was clever, so Nomura and other writers that work or has worked on KH can come up with good stuff as they go along. It’s just that before III the series focuses too much on prequels. Then dream drop distance came in with time travel just so former villains could be reused. Instead of limiting it to a person reforming after their nobody and heartless are destroyed. At least time travel had one consequence with Sora being exiled from the universe due to his usage of it.

In this case it's more "FORCED IN" than "SQUEEZE IN." Also, the only thing that's funny is that he referenced JustAPancake.

It's neither funny nor accurate. Josh is genuinely wrong with several of his statements and now he's spreading misinformation... then again, this is Josh Scorcher, it's nothing new.

But the poor regi

@@jaleahganzy8121 True I would feel bad for it too

Nomura really doesn't have the easiest hand to deal with. He must deal with not only one but TWO big corporations zealous over their IPs. Xehanort seems to be result of grandiose recipe which just ends undercooked. Xehanort saga has interesting ideas but it does only the barest minimum with it. Xehanort really could have been just Kefkaesque sociopath with Hojoesque scientist nuances. Trying to make him more philosophical/deeper character was doomed cause Nomura really couldn't or didn't know how to present it. At least as unapologetic egomaniac with tinge of entertaining presentation had made him classic Disney Villain with anime flavours (Part of reason why I prefer SoD version).

Someone watched a LOT of benjamage, apparently... Cool.

It's Kingdom Hearts. Nothing makes sense anymore.

Potential Danganronpa Spoilers (trying to be vague) Technically yes in both mainline and some fangames just not the way as you describe. More they don't know they were the ones responsible for setting up the killing game they are stuck in due to memory wipes.

You still had some better bosses in these games. Namely Sesa Refumee from Halo 2.