lol!

hahaha this i can confirm 😂

You'd think he would been no on the beach with her then smashed

You mean that other eikon was Odin right after Clive killed king barnabas.

The alternative would be letting Jill succumb to fantasy cancer.

@@kome360all bearers have the curse, it only progresses when you use magic. Jill could just not use magic and be cool.

And yet Joshua was off acting on his own, trying to save his brother and the world from Enigma. I do think this was a fun scene though and Joshua had a right to be angry with Clive. Clive knew Jill wouldn’t refuse him.

Was looking for this comment Trogal was like uh oh lol

Even if Jill loves Clive and that Clive loves Jill?

@@Link32831 It would be funny if Joshua was actually mad here because Clive got a piece of Jill. I wouldn't blame him, Jill is a babe 😅

@@Leonhart_93 He sees her as a sister…

@@aoto8897 I was joking but it wouldn't have surprised me if he kept that hidden. They were childhood friends like what? 1 year? I would find it difficult to ever think of Jill as a sister 😅

And how little he has for Clive.

Final Fantasy: Brotherhood

Final Fantasy 16 Brotherhood (the tv show) just like brotherhood: Final Fantasy XV and full metal alchemist brotherhood

@@Link32831 Exactly the same!

And Torgal I like his reaction

Torgal gave that away. Instantly knew physical harm was coming toward Clive but did nothing seeing it was Joshua. My boy got hands though that right hook was SOLID

​@@Harrowing999love torgal. The good wolf witness a lot of heroic to villiany from other characters.

There is nothing respectful about punching your brother. Voicing your opinion yes, but that was really childish of him.

@@spikey288he was angry that Clive could’ve killed Jill! She could’ve easily been killed during that romance scene

@@Link32831 Taking their power doesn't harm them, she was in no danger at all.

Well, Joshua was the last person I would've expected to do that next to maybe Jill.

"nice try"

😂😂😂

With bahamut equipped to give it a lil razzle dazzle

No megaflare dodge sadly 😢

I was thinking that too.

I'm also not entirely sure why she's left behind during the final confrontation. Even after giving Clive her powers, she could've still primed into Shiva to help out.

There wasn't that much of a choice in that situation. It was either he let Ultima take Clive or seal him away.

There literally were no other options. What did you suppose Joshua do? Fight Ultima alone? 😂😂😂

ON GOD THOUGH LMAO

Clive: and i am not 33 yo virgin anymore! Joshua: yeah, yeah, dude. I get it!

Clive literally took her Eikon and her virginity in the same half hour. LOL

​@CuteSceneChic I belive that when she was taken captive it's implied that they ruined her innocence But maybe I misunderstood this point

@@CuteSceneChicJill wasn’t a Virgin fam. Clive was tho

@@GooseGumlizzard Jill is still innocent in my mind. Lol.

I mean, he took it without hesitation. Clive is to take the blame here.

@@any4448not really 😂

​@@any4448nah

@@any4448 He did ask Jill if it was okay first. He clearly was hesitant.

The reason Joshua punched him was less about the eikon and more about Clive trying to shoulder all the world's problems.

Thats just poor writing and characterization, which is a huge problem with the game

@@GOHST13ly It's weird how the writing can be excelent at times and so, so bland and uninspired at other... second half of the game especially

Jill really did feel like she was purely just present half the time. You could wholly forget her presence in some missions And shiva was robbed. Fun fact she’s the only eikon that never appears on screen with ifrit…Love interest’s eikon, one of the most iconic summons, fire and ice, never shares the screen with ifrit

@@jlit5215 that's also true. And it's a shme because the moments her presence was known were often great - np when she raised her sword at Anabella

100% gav felt more fleshed out than Jill did like Wtf how is she getting caught by Hugo like SHES A DOMINANT TOO cmon…cid for the time he was on had better moments than Jill did

EMOTIONAL DAMAGE

Well... those two Sparda Brothers 😅

Why are guys so aggressive to each other whether brothers or friends i never felt the need to become physically violent to someone i love in a argument

​@@johnshepard8556its not about arguments its mostly just play fighting or showing if your friend or family is going down a wrong path and talking wouldn't help then knocking them down will let them listen

@@drakofox1362 yeah i am a only child so never experienced it but my 2 cousins both brothers would fight all the time and i did not like it

And still some haters call him femboy lol

@@MegaAndyGG Femboy? Do people even know the meaning of that word???? A femboy is a boy that wears girl clothes. These people who call him as such as Ignorant. Also they are just jealous of how handsome Joshua is.

What about Final Fantasy 4? Cecil and Golbez are brothers. Final Fantasy 5 had Lenna and Faris as sisters. Galuf and Krile are grandfather and granddaughter. Final Fantasy 8 had Laguna and Squall who are father and son. Final Fantasy 9 has Zidane and Kuja who are brothers. Final Fantasy 10 has Jecht and Tidus who are father and son.

@@EvelynL.1112 In fairness FF10 was over 20 years ago. The family theme hasn’t been as strong in the games since then.

@@SaberRexZealot I guess you got a point.

Also me and my sister

The English was lwritten first in this game. This has been mentioned multiple times in many interviews. It even became a big thing in japan because there’s no Japanese lip sync. This is the original version

@@jamrah8713 Not quite, the English script was writen after a rough Japanese script, and then the Japanese script was revamp to fit the English script. Since English script isn't the definitive original language for the whole Japanese-originated franchise, I'm sure future crossover games would take the Japanese version, despite the order of script production reversed. Though I have to say how the Japanese changed that when it's clear that Jill give her Dominant power to Clive, or maybe the context is that she let him absorb it with her consent, 'cause it didn't look forced to me.

Yes, there are differences in Clive’s intention when taking Shiva’s eikon between 2 languages. But in Japanese version Clive took it without Jill’s permission. I feel VERY bad watching that scene in Japanese, and they even had sex after that, which did not help building Jill ‘s character at all. I like English’s localization better, Jill fully understood what did Barnabas said, and gave her power to Clive willing.

@@hermonylee6123 But how did they changed that when the scene itself literally look like Jill give him willingly?

I'm not going to lie, too me, it still seemed a little forced in the English. I mean, Jill offered sure, but Clive didn't even hesitate or try to talk her out of it. Jill was like "take it" and Clive was immediately like "ok" and puts his hands on her. I excepted him to not take it so fast. It seemed like he actually wanted her Eikon and took it the first opportunity he got so the punch in English still made sense to me.

Joshua is built like a beanpole, Clive is a lot more massive.

Well, Clive is a soldier after all

@@MegaAndyGG and shield to his younger brother, I doubt he could ever hurt Joshua since Joshua is sort of like royalty (kinda)

While my first reaction was “hit him back” we all know he never would hurt his brother. That said, yeah it’s kind of clear Clive is the stronger of the two. Doesn’t help that Joshua is kind of dying right now.

@@AdeptKing yeah he doesn’t help that Joshua is dying! Joshua is also kind of like royalty but the only royalty we see are the Sanbrequian royal family (Dion, Oliever and Sylvestre)

Let's be real, it was clear Clive would get her power at some point, he had to have all the eikons in the end. It's much better than her ending up like Joshua did.

@@Leonhart_93 Ending up like what? Alive? It’s very much hinted at the end that Joshua survived. Jill could have given Clive her powers in the last battle too so there’s really no excuses

@@shivastars All the signs point to Clive having written Final Fantasy, from him being the narrator at the start, to sidequests implying he would become a writer. And ofc he is the one that knows all the events as they happened. Joshua looked pretty darn dead compared to Clive.

@@Leonhart_93 I mean you’re right about it also being possible that Clive was the one who wrote the book. Still, Jill could have easily been written in a way that would let her join the final fight. She deserved it

@@shivastarsbro she couldnt even handle an unphazed, fully unprimed version of barnabis in her shiva state. What makes you think there’s any writing scenario in which ultima doesn’t completely obliterate her. Dion was the second strongest clearly, besides ifrit risen, and even he got shat on. They handled jill’s arc respectfully

And his 2 partners should obviously be Joshua and Jill

But who would be his main foe, Kupka, Barnabas or Ultima?

@@kelror1352 Ultima no doubt

Ardyn be like: "IFRIT! IIIIIIFFFRIIIITTTT COME TO ME!!" Clive: "yeah F you"

@@RikudoMadaraUchiha i hope it's barnabas

gav is my favorite character a real bro

I know this response is a month later but it’s ‘Land of Eikons’.

😂

+20% Bonus Damage against Protagonists

Clive: well I deserved this punch. (Cue the Phoenix Gate incident)

I agree.

Joshua's implication is that because of how Clive has acted like he's going to save the world on his own, he manipulated Jill. She does say in that scene she wants to give him the power to bear those burdens alone. At the last moment, he would have pushed others away and confronted Ultima alone had Joshua not knocked some sense into him. And as Clive says in the end, loneliness is the key difference between him and Ultima.

@@kieranray5340 Except he hasn't acted that way at all, I reject the premise. At that point in the story he includes almost everyone to join him. In fact on the exact mission that Joshua says this Clive brings him, AND then Joshua literally left Clive and Torgal to face Odin alone which is hypocritical af. He did not manipulate Jill at all, in was HER suggestion to share her power with him, and he was hesitant and made and checked to make sure he wanted to do so. How is that manipulation? It was her decision. It also doesn't explain why he messed with Clive at the start by avoiding and goading him into fighting Benedikta, then disappearing again. He does this multiple times throughout the story, hiding and leaving Clive in the dark while he still believes his brother is dead. He has a whole secret organisation at his beck and call, never sends them to help or rescue him from being slave.

@@spikey288 When Jill returned from the Iron Islands she spoke of how watching Clive fight gave them the strength to fight alongside him. She even asked him sarcastically if he'd rather fight the world alone to keep everyone safe. Letting him shoulder the burden alone is the last thing she wants but she eventually relents because she could tell that it pained him to see her put herself in dangerous situations. Shiva was the only way she could fight alongside him but she relinquished it to give him what he wanted. Jill would never say no to Clive and he's been saying things like "you shouldn't have to" over and over again, and he's always been terrible at lying. He definitely didn't manipulate her as @kieranray5340 suggested. Jill just knew what he wanted without him having to put it into words.

@@zander1896 I agree, and i don't think there's anything bad about that. Him wanting to protect her, and also from a tactical standpoint she isn't suited for priming. It seems to do more bad than good, she gets exhausted. Even if you disagree with Clive Joshua was out of line punching him, he could have simply told him respectfully.

​​ Joshua didn't goad Clive into fighting Benadikta. That was Ultima. The reason why Cid can see him is because Ultima can manifest to people if he chooses to. Especially dominants as we see with Dion. Also who would benefit from Clive fighting Benadikta? Ultima or Joshua? Clearly it's Ultima. And after the last fight with Titan, Ultima appears as the hooded figure and Clive says "Is that you Ultima?" and the hood burns away showing it's Ultima underneath it. The game several times shows the hooded figure doing something shady but then a little later it will show Joshua and say Meanwhile and he was somewhere else or arrived later establishing that there were more than one hooded figure in play. Leading Clive to Benadikta, into that Phoenix thing that Joshua was supposed to go into the night their Mom betrayed them, all that was Ultima.

[Spoilers for until the end / finale of the game] Taking their Eikons (from Dominants) makes the said dominant unable to use their power in control / stable. Yes, they can still use them, but erratic (e.g. Benedikta and Kupka, who pretty much succumbed and wreck havoc). The only one who is able to do this is Dion due to his strong will (as warned by Joshua that he needs a strong will to be able to control Bahamut / Primed). As he is the only one shown to be able to do this on-screen (and throughout the story), we can deduce that it's a rare feat. The point of this scene is to show that Clive's trying to shoulder everything by himself again, instead of allowing others to help him (which is a point in the finale vs Ultima, where Clive claims that everyone helped him to get there, unlike Ultima who shouldered everything).

@@Kvin1871 yes, I believe you’re correct. You are the third person (and I appreciate you all, I really do) that has given me basically the same answer- that Clive took some of Jill’s power so she would be unable to fight with him at the end because he loves his Jilly and he’s terrified of her being killed. Joshua is mad at Clive in this scene because Joshua realizes that Clive wants to do everything on his own, not out of hubris but for the love he has for his family and friends, and Joshua is not going to let him take his power and face Ultima without him. I’ve now completed every side-quest, slaughtered every Mark from the Hunt Board, crafted every weapon and armor, and now there’s nothing left for me to do but go face Ultima for the last time. Well, until Final Fantasy Mode in New Game+, that is. Thanks for your response, my friend!

@@rondyreeves4772 Joshua couldn't let Clive take his eikon anyway because of a part of Ultima inside him (the hideaway nurse said he would've succumbed long ago if we wasn't a dominant). Ik what the point of the conversation is but it's kind off a fun fact I think about watching the whole thing play out.

It’s very easy. Joshua’s angry, why did Clive accept Jill’s idea easily, he should’ve rejected her, he should’ve understood that they can fight together

@@hermonylee6123 Clive accepted Jill's idea easily because he loves her. It's that simple. He cares way too much for her life considering she's been fighting and suffering for so long.