Nah, Fam; Eno was on another level.

@@rogeliochavez40 agreed for Eno, but that's because he's in the run for/the best of all time.

He is tho.

@@djstarsign The only thing is Martin died way too young. The other guys are still alive and have padded their legacies with production work and/or their own albums. And Joe Boyd could always be relied upon to show up whenever there's been a documentary about Syd era Pink Floyd, The Fairport Convention, or Nick Drake.

personally, that's why i feel the smashing pumpkins and depeche mode had the best runs of stuff in the 90's with flood. both violator/sofad and adore/machina. depeche mode have certainly been able to bounce back, but everything billy corgan has done since has been pure shite.

@@hexagonsun33 agreed. Making music is an art, but producing a CD is a separate art too.

How do you figure out who's a great producer? Even Tony Visconti refused to produce Space Oddity.

Beatles same way/same thing

Steve albini: surfer Rosa, in utero.

Agreed

Sly Boots True

Sly Boots Your comment, as a personal opinion, wouldn't have been possible to be made public like here at the time when there was no Internet. This is partly the answer to the question why rock music was better in those times and why it is rubbish now. People used to rely on critics opinion, MM, NME, Sounds, radio DJs etc. Now anyone can post "best band ever" and in no time hundreds or thousands of people will believe it to be true, which may be the case or not, but where is the professional selection process? JD wouldn't have been so great had their first attempts been met with "wow the best band ever" comments. The likes of Queen and Pink Floyd used to be humiliated in the rock press and frequently rightly so.

And I look forward to a 40th anniversary vinyl reissue of coloured vinyl of Closer

@@GregoryPaulDavis hey greg, preorders literally started today. 40 quid from new order/joy divisions site oh yeah i should mention: the 40 quid package includes 12 inch singles for love will tear us apart, transmission and atmosphere

thank you hentaianimeart very cool

Sumner's a twat, and Hooky is better off without that drama.

@@Caffeine_Club honestly I think hooky was being the prick

They’ve known each other since age 11, so that’s probably the only name he’s ever used for him.

Amen!

Such an underrated producer. His production work for the band, Blue in Heaven, should've been bigger

True. Joy Division were just another punk rockers with clever lyrics and it was Martin Hannett who found so much hidden aspects in their music that even the band itself wasn’t aware of - and made them sound out of time, made them legendary.

Hannett did for Unknown Pleasures what Eno did for Remain in Light (Talking Heads) later that year. The last track of that album, The Overload, is a tribute to this album; the lyric "A terrible signal" being a reference to the logo.

Underrated by whom? He's highly rated, lauded even. Pretty much a legend. I often think people don't know what underrated means.

Just search here for the live gig from Amsterdam. That will give all the power and magnificence of JD live!

Wouldn’t be possible as everything was recorded as dead as possible, the live albums are beautiful though

or get the warsaw album.

@@doeismgtr9597 we've got very good technology for that now, reverbs based on recorded impulse responses of real spaces included. its entirely possible.

I was thinking the same thing. I believe Gang of Four went back in the studio and recorded a fresh version of their debut album.

You know Steve's just put his book out? In it he says Ian hated what MH did with Closer, I think he also hated UP but can't remember for sure......sad isn't it, to hear he hated Closer. Fuckin hell.......

@@clangersspace2679 He didn't give it time to bed in poor Ian. Closer is a masterpiece. Better than UP because it's more mature. CLASSIC. And I remember seeing the cover, the typography, the whole thing was marvellous.

New Order were inducted into the Rock N Roll hall of fame years ago.

@@globalparadise6979 the British version

@PR How can you say that with certainty he was 23 when he died.

Joy Division made all of TWO albums. You're going off what you think they would've produced in the future.

@@twelveytwelve good point who knows what they would have done after the american tour they could have torn themselves apart because of the tour

Exactly, Alicia.

Read Hooky's books and you'll find he has his own dialect.

Fucking English don't know how to speak English.

Don't leave Barney out of the equation. His guitar and synth skills were essential and for a long time he was the only multi-instrumentalist in the band and had a lot to deal with. Hooky and Steve just had to worry about the rhythm but Barney was into a whole other world of textures and sounds. I don't think Love Will Tear Us Apart would be as iconic and memorable as it is today if not for Barney's contributions.

That would entail re-recording.. Proper acoustic environment and some miking experiments to capture the rawness that they wanted. Maybe if Albini was already an engineer 40+ years ago they could’ve gotten what they wanted.

More raw

If I had an album that I wrote in my late teens/early 20s and people are still talking about it and listening to it and buying it, I'd probably be the same way tbh.

Forever

I saw Peter Hook in the same place last year and he only played Joy Division songs. It was great. Maybe similar because the sound was brilliant and clear and sounded like JD as I know them, but I'd have to hear New Order's versions to know.

@@rmilrta i was also at that gig believe it or not. I thought peter hook and the light were fat better than both the jesus and mary chain and echo and the bunnymen

Yeah, but by ‘79 their live sound has evolved so much nobody really captured (on very high quality equipment) that raw power they were talking about, that reckless abandon but more mature.. Same thing could be said of live VU in ‘68 when Cale was still around, only bootlegs..

You just reminded me I have Closer on Vinyl and haven't had a chance to hear it yet. should do that now

Same. It really sounds like a black vacuum

@@Daniel_Delayne That is the best description!!! Perfectly sums it up!!!

Nah. They weren’t actually that big in the UK in their short lifespan . The appreciation came after the fact.

Not popular in the UK. That’s bull! Listen to the encore of ‘Digital’ on Still and the encores on the live tracks on the remastered ‘Closer’. The crowd are cheering for several minutes, “Joy Division! Joy Division!” There were riots at the final gigs when Ian couldn’t perform. “I could live a little better with the myths and the lies...”

@stephen roldan regardless I'm pretty sure New Order is sure to come to a close soon. Bernard sounds like crap and from what I've seen and their shows are more about the damn lighting than the performance. I've seen hookys band twice and was very satisfied with the way they performed other than the new order set being not too bad. They've done what they could for us. With ian, without and separated

Bit like JD minus Ian

Like Depeche Mode can’t exist without Alan Wilder.

Yeah the snares overwhelm the sound of that one, and I don't like how Ian sang that in comparison to the Peel/Pennine versions