If I had to guess why the remakes turned out the way they are, its probably because Legends of Arceus might be the real Sinnoh remake, or reimagining if you would call it, while BDSP might've been just a temporary game for Pokemon fans to lag onto before that game comes out. I don't know. Even though I like this game, It is underwhelming that they didn't do that much to make it stand out, in terms of other remakes. Sinnoh is my favorite region, but even I knew as a kid that Platinum and DP were a lot different from one another. I honestly thought the remakes were going to be like ORAS, possibly better since Sinnoh has more lore and interesting concepts than Hoenn. Plus, Platinum's content surpasses Emerald a bit, so it would've made the games more fun than ORAS. But I guess Hoenn fans are the true winners at the end of the day, which is not a bad thing btw (I liked ORAS too).

ORAS felt like it had better updates and content, but BDSP is decent, but I really think I should have added a few things to make it feel updated.

@@calebopossum5023 Especially since its Sinnoh.

@@alexkumaratunga2834 Also ORAS also updated that there were 6 regions now, adding the new Pokémon discovered to the Dex. BDSP makes it still feel like there's only 4 but with Gen 8 graphics, Music, and a few add-ons, yet can't transfer Gen 8 pokemon to the game.

I don't want to take on the post game after the sheer amount of boredom I felt during the main game. Geodude that have the ability Sturdy and also know Self-Destruct are cheap as hell. And so many trainers use them.

Not really saying much when Diamond and Pearl are arguably the very worst Pokemon games

@@PeruvianPotato From what I gather that seems to be a toss up between XY and SW/SH.

@@minicle426 yeah for different reasons, swsh just kinda lack compelling content and pissed everyone off pre release and with 30$ dlc and XY are just kinda boring and WAY too easy for their own good. DP are just kinda bad across the board which makes me wonder WHY NOT REMAKE PLATINUM WHICH FIXED THOSE THINGS??

@@minicle426 At least X/Y was arguably the best game for newcomers as they could experiment with around 400 different Pokemon to use in their teams as well as being actually playable, albeit *really* easy games while SW/SH had the DLC to make up for most of its faults. D/P had the undeniably worst regional dex, VERY slow gameplay, a weak story and just a generally incomplete and rather soulless game. The only reason why is Sinnoh even liked is because of Platinum which fixed SO MUCH that it actually made the region itself significantly better.

@@minicle426 I'd give it to Sword and Shield. X and Y at least clearly had a ton of effort put into them, and, y'know, actually HAVE all the pokemon in them.

It would certainly help those Pokemon that can't fully evolve before post-game, like Gligar.

This is basically where I _SAY THE LINE_ *ahem*... _Pokémon Brilliant Diamond & Pokémon Shining Pearl are faithful remakes of the 2007 (2006 for Japan) games Pokémon Diamond and Pokémon Pearl released for the Nintendo DS_ On Discord, every time such a questionable decision for BDSP comes up in discussion, I say _the line_ .So yeah, outside of stuff like the Bottle Caps and stuff for like IVs and stuff... Gen 5 and later items aren't allowed to exist in these games and I think that's BAD. So no Heavy-Duty Boots amongst others from SwSh either. Like there HAS to be a point where being "faithful" is NOT A GOOD THING.

@@YuseiTheSynchroHero And no Weakness Policy Or Ring Target Or Assault Vest Blunder Policy Eject Pack 🙅🏻 Nope, none of that. And it gets on my nerves when ppl blame GF for a game they didnt even work on, cuz its like "Bruh, they made ORAS have the Unova and Kalos items, theres no way they wouldve AT LEAST put those into bdsp", this is why I wished GF worked on em cuz they truly would've been special like ORAS and HGSS (mainly ORAS tbh)

@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 they also added hidden abilities

making me wanna bring back action replay or something and hack the items into the games lmao

You cant get crobat and kingdra up unless it post game in this game you can get crobat too yearly

In bdsp you can find any pokemon and evovle them

@@yarc9 thank you

@@yarc9 crobat was in the original dp tho

And apparently people griped about the Sevii Islands for being needless filler you have to go through before catching Mewtwo. Those people are eating their words now, and they taste AWFUL.

try out renegade platinum (a fan hack of platinum), that is all the good platinum has, but better :D The League is at Level 70 and all gym leader have full teams of diverse pokemon^^

Ong

@@sockosophie3132 its a hack

No doubt

Yeah I agree. I would go back to platnium but probably not these games.

1 word why they still keep it up: *money*

@@PeruvianPotato Another one: Nostalgia

@@PeruvianPotato Another one: To connect with people

@@PeruvianPotato yes I know and it’s annoying

It just feels like another thing that's becoming outdated just like quite a few things with pokemon now, let's hope legends is actually not a trainwreck

I fully agree with this, statues are neat for farming specific Pokemon but I don't see why they can't coexist with furniture

No 100% agree. I haven't bought the game (I'm not interested in BDSP, saving my money for Legends), but from the gameplay I've seen secret bases look so darn bland. I loved secret bases in the gen 3 games because of the different environments you can build one in (tree, cave, etc.) and the furniture. In BDSP they all just look like bland brown caves with the only difference being the statues inside. What's the point of even bringing them back? Just make the statue mechanic a tool option or something.

DP Secret Bases already felt like a downgrade for me when it comes to room variety (bushes, caves, trees), interaction with furniture and the trainer/base creator that you could battle. Now it's only an empty statue showroom with nobody inside. Maybe they'll release more content down the road and later re-release physical copies with DLC on it, but I wouldn't get my hopes up since BDSP are not games that introduced Gen 8.

@@Astromontana Funny cuz ORAS made em even better

It's strange how they emphasise connecting with other trainers in the Underground, but Secret Bases have 0 purpose in that now. The traps are gone, the capture the flag minigame is gone, and the furniture and decorations are gone. There's literally nothing fun about bases anymore

Schrodinger's remake

Well Nintendo already has a record of.making rushed and mediocre games.on the Switch so this isn't really new.

Nintendo didn't make these, they just let TPC and gamefreak do their own thing most times which is something I wish would change

It's Game Freak. Not Nintendo.

@@jaretco6423 ILCA, actually

Oh no! XD

Unova remakes: Too much Blackness and Whiteness Kalos Remakes: Too much F R A N C E Alola remakes: Too much ALIENS Galar remakes: ....

Thank God I am not the only one who noticed this. Same with the bike, it's controls felt so off when I hoped on my bike and that is probably why

I wish they just made it so you can only use the grid, but also move diagonally

This is such a good observation. Keeping 3D movement & the grid is such a bad idea. You constantly clip on everything because the terrain was never made for 3d movement, and the "faithful recreation" was never intended to accommodate for being able to move around freely. It makes navigation extremely tedious.

Agreed I was getting extremely aggravated in the underground running into every wall while navigating

Looker isn’t in gen 8 at all 😥. Here’s hoping he reappears in gen 9 and Gamefreak/TPC hasn’t abandoned him

So basically, I'm not getting a Milotic then? Cool... T_T

That's really dumb...and annoying. At least we'll be able to trade for Feebas eventually.

@@DrawciaGleam02 Someone made a tool that can help you find what your tiles will be for that day.

They also made Spiritomb annoying to get.

Not that Game Freak's track record is any better lately

cuz it's made by iilca

Who’s gonna tell him?

@@Ikcatcher I have

@@FieryMeltman Gen 7 were amazing games that constantly gets treated like a dirt sandwich (like Gen 5), SwSh had a terrible development and now theyre trying to revolutionize the series (like how Gen 7 felt different to other games)

Distortion world wasn't in Diamond and Pearl, and the grand underground is new.

Or that they didn't have evolutionary items available before the post-games

Same. Garchomp and drapion were used constantly cuz of their slow exp curve while togekiss with it’s super fast exp curve was just chillin on the back burner keeping pace. Barely got to use it

Exactly the same happened to me with my togekiss as well. I thought it was the exp-group but this explains it.

I’m exactly the same. Togekiss was level 45 compared to 42s and 43s on the rest of my team on Victory Road, so I yeeted it and Mismagius (who I walked with for most of the game as Torterra is way too slow IMO) into the box until the E4. Edit: spelling error

Me: I'll just lead with 1 Pokemon and fill the rest with Pickups. And switch whenever the lead Poke levels up.

Where did you caught your Togepi?

They could have added more lore to the legendaries at spear pillar or the unknown ruins

Same. I know they’re going to mess it up somehow.

I feel like for those games, Game Freak themselves should make the remakes due to how good BW was

@@GreySeraphim411 im scared they might view them as massively flawed and try to correct them. At the time they were very ambitious and fans didn’t feel the same way about them back then as they do now.

@@kettothespymain8955 yes, agreed.

I want them to leave Unova alone and skip to Kalos… where they would take of Mega Evolution because Game Freak are big brain geniuses. Then Alola without Alolan Forms and Z Moves and Ultra Beasts. Then Galar with only Pokemon introduced in Gen 8 and they give you level 98 starters. The take more and more away from remakes that eventually the remakes will be just the opening town and $150 DLC for the rest of the game!

In all fairness, all Pokemon games look budget compared to other Nintendo games.

Yeah, pretty much As a huge fan of Gen 5, seeing these remakes has made me far more hesitant to want GF to touch the orginal Black and White 1 and 2.

@@theimpersonator7086 These games weren't made by Game Freak in fact I don't know why people keep calling these games Remakes there were always Remaster's There faithful to the original with small gameplay adjustments and a graphics upgrade. A remake is if they used some of the newer quality of life additions took content from Platinum and made additions. HGSS took content from Gen 4 and Crystal while adding new stuff same With ORAS Its honestly for the best remakes have gotten crapped on with audience's claiming the want faithful game's like imagine the people pretending that Gen 8 was the failure of the franchise (like they did with Gen 5 ) raging about the games not being like the original (you know fans would)

@@demonking-zm3rs No, a remake is built from the ground up, which BDSP are, a remaster is you pick the same game and give it a nicer look, if BDSP were remasters it would be in 2d which it isn't

@@demonking-zm3rs thank you for being someone else to point out that game freak didn’t make these games. I feel like people forget it’s not game freak since this is the first time in 25 years that they didn’t make a Pokémon game (at least main series games, not sure about the other ones cuz I don’t play spin off games) so people get used to saying game freak but it’s not game freak. Like if you’re gonna get mad at a company then make sure it’s the correct company

Oh, you have? KAMON...

I feel the same way, that's how I didnt really like using the EXP share that much in X/Y since I felt like I wasnt really using my other pokemon that much because they were leveling up on their own. Of course I get why other people wouldn't like grinding each pokemon on their own and even I would use it from time to time to breach level gaps.

@@reddeadspartan XY had also ridiculously bad balancing for handling the EXP Share, resulting in your team being at worst 20 levels over the Champion's team by the time you get there. Playing without it makes the challenge much more consistent, still not exactly hard, but usually enjoyable-ish for me, and if you opt out of using the affection Exp. bonus and Super Training too, then you've got to actually train up sometimes. Since all of these are entirely optional, I think XY actually did this quite right.

Mega evolution sucks who needs them just give them hidden abilities than they will be more broken

Tbh I wish they would gave dialga the primal version from mystery dungeon and gave palkia a new form or something I like how they introduced the multi universe thing in Oras but we didn’t hear anything else about it after ultra sun and moon it’s like they gotten lazy and they used the faithful remake as a excuse not to give us a better game I mean I love the game but masuda could did better than this since he was over the game while ILCA developed it he of all people knew what the fans wanted when it came to gen 4 remakes especially after the backlash he got when oras didn’t get the battle frontier

Yeah

@@roxasbaker GF didnt make this game, and it shows. I love the multiverse idea from USUM (considering the Giovanni from Lets Go seems to be the 1 from Team RR). SwSh ended up with a terrible development, making the games suffer and bdsp wasnt even being made by the actual devs (meanwhile, the actual devs are trying to refresh the series) Its sad how ppl blame GF for this when 💯 there wouldve been cool features to at least make it stand out like oras did

@@skullerclawerbandicoot7966 people already mad about swsh

It's a diamond and pearl remake not a platinum remake stop whining.

@@Tsukune2001 Oh so using the worse version for your remake isn’t bad game design? @Castform7 I suggest you break a copy of this game if you bought it

@@Tsukune2001 But tell me, What If... GF made this game? Yes, it probably wouldve been still dp remakes but that didnt stop oras being rs remakes that really expanded upon Hoenn, that didnt stop it from trying to make Megas fit into the region, fly over the entire region, fix the characters to fix the story, make the evil teams actually memorable, still have SOME Emerald stuff, etc.

I mean technically they should have the distortion world and battle frontier. It's not like they can't add them to the postgame and it won't mess with the story

….what?

I think it because of how you get Sylveon in X/Y? It was pretty similar to friendship evolutions TBH.

@@DrawciaGleam02 I don't like affection at all, but it wasn't a problem in earlier games because it was tied into a side system. Such as headpats or camping.

I agree, they should have tied affection to poffins, instead of pulling the worst mechanic in the series out of the trash where ORAS left it.

Apparently, the Battle Frontier was removed because of underutilization. Few players actually used it. This is also the reason why the ORAS only included the Battle Maison.

@@asantaraliner idk if I believe that. I've heard of so many people who replay Platinum just for the Battle Factory.

@@asantaraliner Actually I heard that they didn't include it in ORAS because they ran out of development time as there are assets in the games files that show remnants of a possible Battle Frontier comeback

Stop whining about the damn battle frontier if you want to battle so bad just do it online with someone.

@@Tsukune2001 It's a little difficult to when online 6v6 singles battles are limited to just 20 minutes. The varied facilities at the Battle Frontier don't solve this, but it does spice the BP grind up a little bit from basic Battle Tower battles, and is just a generally fun, additional set of post-game achievements you can go for if you're into competitive, casually or hardcore.

The worst part is that you’re probably right and and they’re planning to do just that…And I’d buy it

@@benjaminschroeder5465 I’m gagging for platinum so yeah I’d buy it too

There's already a way to get Giratina, change form and the distortion world is replaced with a room. So idk how they will handle dlc

@@urm8matt156 I know about Giratina lol

I agree, I enjoy seeing how much my Pokémon's liking towards me has grown and it's satisfying seeing the results of that in battle.

to compensate that special trainer like gym leader should also have that mechanism, especially cynthia garchomp toughened up so she wouldnt feel sad lol

Seriously, this. I especially hate it when people compare affection bonuses to "cheating". This isn't online competitive we're talking about, as affection strictly applies only to the single player story.

Just don't learn to settle man or they'll get away with anything

@@AlphaladZXA oh I haven’t settled yet. I genuinely didn’t enjoy Sword and Shield

@@jaceb3106 context man, this is 2022 with advanced technology and they have 15 years to make damn remake much better than this

@@jaceb3106 I refused to give them money for that game lol (sw&sh)

Dp was definitely not the weakest but I don’t disagree that platinum did make the series much better. The worst and most hated games in the whole franchise were swsh, despite the ridiculous sales.

@@Max-qw8eq No, D/P are significantly worse than SW/SH can ever wish to be for many different reasons

@@Max-qw8eq No, SwSh at least had a terrible development and the fact they (GF) didnt know how a console game worked, it still had things going for it. DP were just garbage, like Gen 2

@@PeruvianPotato Idk DP had good map design and was more challenging, I think it's better than SWSH(without dlc)

I appreciate that, thanks!

@Pantsmonster /vp/ liking someone? Someone check hell because it's probably frozen over.

Eh, evolving with friendship was annoying in my playthroughs if I didn't have the EV berries on hand. So I'm okay with this change.

they should never released swsh in the first place to focus on gen 4 remake

@@richard35791 I actually don't think that should've been the case. If anything, SS needed the extra development time more so than BDSP. Despite the many, many faults of SS, I at least appreciate what GameFreak was trying to do with the new features, such as the open-worldish style locations and max raids, but they needed more time to polish the game so it didn't look like it was from the GameCube era. Their annual release schedule compromised SS, but BDSP actually had two years development, which for remakes has never happened before. We got exactly what we should've expected with BDSP, an exact remake of DP, not Platinum. Hopefully Legends' longer development will be exactly what Pokemon needs right now.

I don’t think Gamefreak would have made the game much better

GF had the final say what ILCA could do with the game. GF was the one who told them they couldn't add any of the new items or mons and told them it had to be CHIBI

Well what did you think of legends?

If Game Freak continues to have ILCA do remakes and give them leeway to do more with the source material, and if ILCA takes feedback on BDSP into account and makes sure to fix what they got wrong and build on what they got right, they could end up making a masterpiece of a remake. I agree that the postgame rematches in BDSP are phenomenal for their challenge, even with affection maxed out, as I have to actually plan ahead for these battles.

Exactly, they did a decent enough job for their first duo of Pokemon titles, even if they could have done a LOT more.

How hard was it to reduce affection, like how many herbs did you have to feed each pokemon at a time?

@@montecristosmith2343 not too hard, just tedious. If my pokemon are at two hearts in the friendship app it takes around 4-5 revival herbs to get them down to zero. There are probably faster and more efficient ways of doing it, but that's what worked for me.

multi games missing

Gamefreak and TPC, not Nintendo

It's so frustrating because they didn't even add small stuff like the extra button on the Pokétch. Like, how long would that take to programme?

@@urm8matt156 Exactly!

@@urm8matt156 GF didnt make the stinkin game (theyre busy wirh Legends), that was ILCA Dangit, why does everyone keep forgetting that it was made by a diff dev, this is why bdsp is the way it is

you are not wrong lol

Most poeple didn't complain about HGSS so you can win they already did it. They added the new features of the generation, added new aeras and story details and new characters along with allowing pokemon to evolve into there new Gen 4 evolutions but they also stayed true to the orignal games.

@Pantsmonster That'd down to personal opinion, the graphics of pokemon have never been amazing but they are better

@Pantsmonster They looked basically the same in ORAS, it's a chibi artstyle?

It's almost like there are two types of changes. Fans want improvements not downgrades.

@@DotDotDott Yet they didnt evem bother to fix the OGs biggest issues Forgettable characters except Silver Awful variety Leaders STILL use Gen 1 mons The region still feels like Kanto Its now even slower Team R is still a joke compared to Gen 1 Leveling is still really bad Kanto (while slightly better) still felt pretty bad Johto still feels like Kanto U still cant get most Johto mons until Kanto The Safari Zone is there to get those Johto mons (which is so lazy and even THAT has its problems) Etc. Im not saying theyre bad games, they added cool stuff but everyone always looks over its serious flaws and act like its flawless

Isn't Platinum just the same game as Diamond and Pearl but better? Couldn't they have just copied Platinum and move the distortion world into the postgame?

@@urm8matt156 pretty much, sinnoh is my favorite region but DP are veryyyy slow and messy. Platinum is a way better experience, and there’s so much more variety and things to do... but obviously gamefreak want money so they’d never just make a single game remake I wouldn’t have a problem with it if they put the really cool stuff from Platinum in. Some of it made the cut! But other stuff like the Distortion World didn’t make it...

@@joeyjose727 Yeah but couldn't they add the third game/enhanced version elements into the games like what HGSS and ORAS somewhat did? It's not like they made a remake of Crystal or Emerald after them.

@@urm8matt156 I wish but I don’t think they’re gonna start making one single ultimate version for remakes. All remakes so far have had multiple versions (which is fine for HGSS) Platinum Remake would’ve been THE time to do a single game version imo, since it’s easier doing online trades than ever and I don’t think most people buy both versions... especially not now that it’s $60 for each version So there’s definitely reason to emulate or buy a platinum copy, it still holds up and I wish BDSP were less faithful and more innovative

@@joeyjose727 If I buy Platinum online, do most fake copies work? Just incase I try to buy an official one but it ends up being fake

What you basically want is Platinum in HD with optional Exp Share right?

Honestly yeah, I guess it was just common sense to include the platinum improvements but I guess we can't trust anybody with common sense

I think most of those could still be included if they make a patch that adds them in, but that’s the question, will they do that? I doubt they’ll change the base game much, but a Delta Episode equivalent and some minor changes to some mechanics would do a lot to improve the game on their own. They also need to add the Platinum Battle Frontier if they do this, because I strongly suspect that we’re still getting Black and White remakes down the line, and one of the Elite Four in that region comes completely out of left field if the Battle Castle isn’t in Sinnoh.

I do think Affection adds some character to the battles, my main gripe is just that it can't be disabled and that the bonuses are a teensy bit over the top imo

@@JPRPokeTrainer98 I will admit Diamond and Pearl remakes have OverDrive affection. It should be a lot harder to get friendship like it should take your whole journey to gain friendship

The affection Part saving you for wasting a full restore look how many times I lost against Jupiter skuntank

I like the IDEA of affection as a mechanic, but I have a lot of issues with the way it's actually implemented. It'd be cool to see someone talk in more depth about that.

Pokemon players don't know what grinding is? Are you serious? There are thousands of people who have more than 15h a day playtime on average just to get one shiny. Just to get one decent pokemon can tke upwards of 60h. And that is excluding the time needed to then train it to a usable level. And making it less grindy is a good thing, yet they made it easier and harder at the same time. Which is why people complain.

@@AlphaHorst i think he just meant playing through the main story

How? I did the same so far, as well as going out of my way to catch them all, and I am level 64. And I have only 7 badges. I also switched my team up quite a bit. But even those late additions to my team are now above level 55.

Is ok if you like the features, most of the complains had to do more with the fact that there are not optional.

The problem is again OPTIONS let people choose to use these things I don't understand what their problem is. People aren't forced to use gyroscope aiming with games like splatoon this is no different

I don't think anyone (outside of elitest pricks) is complaining about the EXP share or affection bonuses being in the game. The problem moreso comes down to the fact that they're forced upon you, even if you don't want them. With EXP share, this especially hurts.

It’s mostly to do with its not a option and forced on you too use, before the Let’s Go games (which really are the only games that makes sense you can’t turn it off as the only proper way too get affective amount of EXP was through catching Pokemon) you can turn the EXP share off too make things harder on yourself if you want too, heck before X & Y it was a held item that only works on one Pokemon, but from Let’s Go onwards you cannot have any control which is that annoys a lot of people. Now with the Affection Bonus I say it can stay as it is, reasons why well the long term reason is because people have want the games too be like the anime with at least bonding with your Pokemon for a long time so yah having affection just makes sense, but on a technical standard and the main reason why I say it can stay as it is, is to do with “have you heard anyone complaining just about the Affection Bonus?” I know I haven’t and I have been into and growing up with Pokemon for 20+ years (I was born in 1998 for anyone that’s wondering about that) and I have heard nothing about people complaining about the Affection Bonus and not mentioned the EXP share, it’s either complaining about the EXP share along with the Affection Bonus or just EXP share, I have heard nothing about just complaining about the Affection Bonus, which really shows there’s actually no problem with the Affection Bonus as it’s all really to do with how broken it is with the always turned on EXP share that anyone complains about it. So really in all things stand it’s just to make the EXP share a option instead always on is all they need to do to at least fix this precise issue (And this is coming from someone that actually likes and prefers too have the EXP share on, but I can easily see the issues on why people don’t like that)

@@ConnerTravis1998 can I get a summary, that's alotta text o.O

Pokemon fans are never happy

Your opinion, m8.

I like the Platinum rooms but I like the DP ones as well so that's not really a problem imo

Platinum is such a complete Nintendo DS game, same as Emerald being the best GameBoy Advance game

Me I was a big fan of it I really didn’t care about how slow it was seeing as I still have my Pokémon pearl japanese but you’re right platinum way better and I still have that too but Masuda I’m not saying ILCA because this their first Pokémon game they made but Masuda himself was over the game they developed so he knew what the fans wanted and this is what he gave us this is why I don’t want to play them anymore since he takes out all the best stuff he knew we wanted the battle frontier back so bad and he promised to bring it back and several games and a remake later still no battle frontier

And if I where you I’ll hold out on legends til you see KZfaqrs play it and see do you like it I didn’t even preordered it yet because knowing gamefreak they set us up only to disappoint us when the game releases

@@roxasbaker Yeah i can understand that, but this is a game i want to experience for myself without spoilers or outside influences. unlike BDSP this is a totally new game and i want to see it play out, even if it is bad or disappointing,

CandyEvie did a good job explaining the version differences years ago

Almost every single step through Diamond & Pearl was changed slightly in Platinum, whether it's the variety of pokemon in routes or the better scaling of level progression in wild pokemon & npc teams or the inclusion of *more pokemon* in the games to begin with (or the battle frontier). I didn't realize it until I started playing Brilliant Diamond and started going back thinking that things were a little, but not too much, different than I remembered them to be and realized just how much was changed from DP to Platinum. Gym leader order, how/when you can obtain certain pokemon or hold items, etc. There's just an incredible amount of quality of life changes from just DP to Platinum that it's actually crazy that they didn't just remake Platinum and just give BDSP the Diamond & Pearl storyline (as in legendary pokemon) differences.