JSC | MK Party defends Dr Hlophe's nomination: Kevin Smith weighs in

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16 күн бұрын

The MK Party has defended its decision to nominate impeached Judge Dr John Hlophe to serve on the Judicial Service Commission. The DA objected to his nomination citing his impeachment for gross misconduct as one of its reasons. For more on this we are joined via video link by Legal analyst Kevin Smith.
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@SamSibande 15 күн бұрын

There is nothing legally wrong for the election of Dr Hlophe to serve on JSC. Stop this unnecessary hatred

@GeniusLila 14 күн бұрын

Yours and your friends morals , if you any, are questionable hence it is not surprising that you don't find it a problem as long as it is legally permissibe. Apartheid was legal but immoral. Legality does not equate to morally right.

@mzidaslampoet9883 13 күн бұрын

@@GeniusLilaso DA Mrs Breytenbach for her to be in the JSC is okay as she was removed by NPA but for Hlophe is not OKAY WOOOWW

@simphiwemngadi2815 13 күн бұрын

@@GeniusLilaApartheid was never legal, on what bases is apartheid legal, apartheid is setting apart and separating people on the bases of their racial and ethnicity leading to social unrest, killing of the people and displacing them out of their land and that can never be legal, apartheid would never be apartheid without these.

@GeniusLila 13 күн бұрын

@@simphiwemngadi2815 How old are you youngman? You seem to use words without understanding them at all. Apartheid and its laws were legal under that government. In 1948, after the National Party won that year's elections, Apartheid became a social project of the government based on a series of laws which made it legal. Try reading for understanding, not for responding.

@EricMaphanga 13 күн бұрын

@@GeniusLila judge hlophe has not been found guilty but the case is still an ongoing process

@unathimichaelmxaku8105 14 күн бұрын

If that is a case every criminal or suspect of misconduct must get out of parliament there must be a same treatment for everyone Zizi the criminal with pending fraud case is a MP.

@orbitno100 12 күн бұрын

And Ramaphosa

@thembokuhlesosibo2174 11 күн бұрын

Avunakiwebo loMkhonto

@bonganinkwanyana6038 14 күн бұрын

Gwaza Mk

@EdmundWilliamWessels 13 күн бұрын

Gwaza what? All the people which want a better life for all and which want to stop corruption.

@harley1450ification 14 күн бұрын

Interesting analysis.

@user-gz7cb5ew4p 15 күн бұрын

How dumb can you be really, he did say he is Dr Hlophe and he's not appointed as a former judge

@flavaofthemonth8786 14 күн бұрын

Chest pains...finally someone whose highly qualified for the position is questioned yet Ministers with no qualifications (matriculation only) are not

@sijammeli 13 күн бұрын

These 2 are being used to push the agenda about Dr Hlophe… they are not talking about the Phalaphala Money. Because theyre told to focus on Dr Hlophe.

@dandyally9983 15 күн бұрын

😂 Let the apartheid apologists now tell us about their superior morals and ethics 😂

@phelelanimafuleka3854 14 күн бұрын

Very funny kind of people. Beneficiaries of crime against humanity are lecturing us about morals and ethics😂😂

@flavaofthemonth8786 14 күн бұрын

Exactly....how ironic

@MzamoAdoons372 14 күн бұрын

@@phelelanimafuleka3854am black as they come my brother and not a beneficiary of apartheid😂😂😂

@EdmundWilliamWessels 13 күн бұрын

@@MzamoAdoons372but a beneficiary of ANC and MK corruption even EFF corruption. Two wrongs don't make a right. We recognise the wrong of Apartheid therefore we must do everything to prevent a repeat of apartheid tipe courts.

@msizingubane9861 13 күн бұрын

True brother. I have a masters degree in agriculture, animal health. And another masters in sustainable agriculture but I have never been even considered for any senior positions but we find a matriculated heading that department. Hence while I left 8 years ago and went to Australia but now Residing and working in USA as a senior agriculturist in Louisiana

@user-gu4df7mk6x 15 күн бұрын

Ramaphosa is the president besides money, in the mattress still to be ventilated as commission reports, where ethics stands there?

@MzamoAdoons372 14 күн бұрын

Two wrongs maketh no right 😂😂😂

@jessicadunu6335 13 күн бұрын

Meaning @@MzamoAdoons372

@RB4286 13 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂 The most immoral are the ones calling immorality. You vote a man who evaded accountability for gross misconduct and breaking oath of presidential office as president along with his pals who who stand exposed by Zondo Commission to government and you chase one harmless guy from a size 1 job...

@RazoMarazo 13 күн бұрын

Its cleared those laws were created especially for Zuma without realized that will come back to bite them .

@mduduzithabede1999 14 күн бұрын

We don’t have to amend the constitution but we need to create rules for those who sit on the JSC panel

@Eric_SA 14 күн бұрын

the hypocrisy

@AMAYD891 14 күн бұрын

Constitution must be changed 🚮

@nontokozonkosi9538 13 күн бұрын

Amendments asezoqala after the appointment of Dr Hlophe?

@selemamolopa8487 12 күн бұрын

What is the truth? What is morality?

@selemamolopa8487 12 күн бұрын

The media is bad. Where is the SABC getting these analysits?

@selemamolopa8487 12 күн бұрын

we need to change land situation. It is imoral.

@user-wl2ky4su5q 13 күн бұрын

When it suits DA the drafters of the constitution could not foresee this situation, but when others cry foul of the same constitution they are called names, unticostitutionalist.

@robertntuli8440 12 күн бұрын

There was no gross misconduct. Thhere was political bias

@bonganimncube377 14 күн бұрын

Hlophe does not have previous conviction like others in the same parliament. Hlophe is a threat to the racist

@MzamoAdoons372 14 күн бұрын

MK is our modern AWB

@tearyb 14 күн бұрын

So who is the racist? All those black legal experts who are objecting? So, if you object to something that doesn’t seem right, you are racist? Narrow minded thinking.

@VictorShongwe-eh3sc 14 күн бұрын

Racist DA n VF+ still sitting in parliament.

@NokuthulaKhumalo-sb2le 14 күн бұрын

@@MzamoAdoons372futsek

@MzamoAdoons372 14 күн бұрын

@@NokuthulaKhumalo-sb2leMtungwa, kwenze njani🙆🙆🙆

@MzamoAdoons372 15 күн бұрын

Ethics are a constitutional and not just a moral issue. The suggestion that ethics are not part of our constitutional values is absolute rubbish.

@sifisodube4686 15 күн бұрын

As black people wee have a long way to go that’s why this country has failed big time. Black people we know how to twist things poverty, failure will remained wth us fir man years to come as blacks we are dead for a ever

@flavaofthemonth8786 14 күн бұрын

Law is law and unfortunately it's not necessarily ethical. Abortion is lawful but immoral. Morality is also subjective

@MandlaNene 14 күн бұрын

Why only for blacks who are just is the law or constitution applied. According to my knowledge and what Dr Hlophe said is that he was impeached mostly for saying "Sekusezandleni zenu..." What is gross misconduct on about that?What is being ethic about white mp's with known records of advocating for a diesese called apartheid to black ppl on their country?

@MzamoAdoons372 14 күн бұрын

@@flavaofthemonth8786ethics and morals are two different things wena jerrrr

@MzamoAdoons372 14 күн бұрын

@@MandlaNenewhat trash😂😂😂

@bonganimncube377 14 күн бұрын

DA ayinake indaba zayo man khathele lamadlagusha efuna ukuslawula

@adrianjones7197 12 күн бұрын

They can nominate anyone they want including former apartheid criminals- doesn't mean they should be appointed - just like you can charge anyone you want with theft - but when it gets to court or parliament etc that is where it should be filtered and accepted or rejected on rational grounds

@reginaphiri3487 10 күн бұрын

DA must go to Europe

@LungileHlebo 11 күн бұрын

The same people who were burning the national flag a few weeks ago have suddenly developed a moral conscience for the same nation.😮

@mapitsithamaga-xn3oi 14 күн бұрын

Context matters. On the context of SA politics Dr Hlophe is well place. SA has a tendency of applying law on the basis of who the individual is, not on the general prescriptions of the constitution. For that reason, i will argue that SA has less respect for the constitution, and it weaponise it to fight political battles

@Rooihuiskraal_ 14 күн бұрын

I wouldn't have said it better

@nthabibotsi9855 13 күн бұрын

I fully agree with you. By the way, why in the case of Adv. G. Breytenbach they turned a blind eye❓

@fikilekumalo4502 9 күн бұрын

ANC must not follow this Da thinking....there is no skewing here Da is suffering from inferiority complex.

@gracenyoni9195 11 күн бұрын

Very researched analysis, no bias . Like some analysts who freely e hibit partisan utterances.

@user-wl2ky4su5q 13 күн бұрын

The same argument must be made of the landless South African, the drafters of the constitution could have not foreseen that the rightful owners indigenous South Africans will still be landless by now therefore the constitution must be revisited

@reginaphiri3487 10 күн бұрын

Who wrote the Constitution

@sarah15788 13 күн бұрын

Well objectively articulated.

@mduduzithabede1999 14 күн бұрын

I don’t think morality should be used as a yardstick here but what is required is a certain ethical standard for one to be seconded to the JSC panel…

@MzamoAdoons372 14 күн бұрын

Correct my brother, ethics are a fundamental constitutional value

@sakhienhleko1113 11 күн бұрын

DA have been enjoying capturing Judges to its favour giving them money to do favours them they are worried of Hlophe because they have succesful removed him hut now he is back!!! DArelax these are politics

@franskwala5043 13 күн бұрын

The issue of ethics has to do with public knowledge. Those in Freedom under law or any other NGO must understand one thing, they too have ethical issues which is not public knowledge. The same applies to judges and everyone else. The DA must be told the truth.

@gawiebasson7099 13 күн бұрын

The bad appoints the bad

@nontokozonkosi9538 13 күн бұрын

Izinkinga zaqala 1652,thee settlers. Ngiyema lapho🙌

@Eu68345 13 күн бұрын

A certain man arrived at Cape Town 😢😢😢😢

@markdlamini5236 14 күн бұрын

What if Hlophe was nominated in another committee in parliament, would it had been not proper or is it because he was impeached under the same department

@ThembaTsela 13 күн бұрын

What about Phala Phala

@reginaphiri3487 10 күн бұрын

Those ngos must ask phalaphala

@nontobekomtshali5565 13 күн бұрын

Parliament must do their job not play game time is money our money

@jeffreymagongoe8883 13 күн бұрын

Moral and ethical nton nton must be consistent

@johndias1439 13 күн бұрын

Sir get your words factually checked. Justice Hlophe was not and is not Convicted of anything. No Competent Court made such order. So you miss the point by a mile. Infact it was a mere impeachment Vote he suffered a Loss on. So rather stick to a neutral wording or saying impeached not convicted. Those two concepts are mutually distinctive. Love from Namibia 🇳🇦

@brianpakkies2435 13 күн бұрын

Double standards bantase....

@jerrymalambe2034 13 күн бұрын

JSC and Head of State which is bigger than the other,is Phala Phala /Marikana tackled the same way as JSC issue.be fair you guys especially the Main stream media houses,are you independent or you work for someone,where you suitable for you constitution is Quoted,please work openly.

@kiabetsoewer3ezerrermcffxf144 14 күн бұрын

Biased questioning

@msizingubane9861 13 күн бұрын

The da lady sits in that same jsc

@simphiwemngadi2815 13 күн бұрын

Stop watching SABC is f**ked up big time, they don't deserve out views

@ShawnRademeyer 14 күн бұрын

Few people are arguing that it's legal. That's not the point. The appointment is political, so it's more of an ethical issue.

@MzamoAdoons372 14 күн бұрын

The appointments of judges are legal and ethics are a fundamental constitutional consideration

@VictorShongwe-eh3sc 14 күн бұрын

Ethical racists of DA n VF+ sitting in parliament.

@JabulaniMathuthu 14 күн бұрын

Supporting apartheid is unethical and immoral. Why not come up with laws that disqualify such. U only make noise when it's ppl associated with Zuma.

@ShawnRademeyer 14 күн бұрын

@@VictorShongwe-eh3sc you are the racist

@ShawnRademeyer 14 күн бұрын

@@JabulaniMathuthu who's supporting Apartheid? Nobody. You're selfprojecting.

@saneledlamini4210 13 күн бұрын

It time for redicalism, we are tired of the law which have eye's.Dr Hlophe is mandated by his constituents as a politician not a judge.

@samkunene7521 14 күн бұрын

Does this job requires a specific qualification? No, so Dr H has graduated since all the scrutiny must have double instill the debated values during his impeachment.

@boitumelomotingwe7806 13 күн бұрын

ZUMA IS KING OF CHESS 100%

@adrianjones7197 12 күн бұрын

he is only king if he wins - he hasn't won anything yet - not a single thing except damaging the board and playing checkers and calling it chess - no one is fooled by that fool

@boitumelomotingwe7806 9 күн бұрын

@@adrianjones7197 YOU ARE THAT FOOL ANY PRESIDENT IN AFRICA WHOM IS LOVED BY WHITES IS BAD TO HIS FELLOW BLACK PEOPLE

@johan1944 15 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@zikodeomnyama4613 13 күн бұрын

💚🖤

@hgfku-tn6hb 15 күн бұрын

Lawbreakers are becoming lawmakers

@MzamoAdoons372 15 күн бұрын

And judges are about to be interviewed for possible appointment by weird characters.

@hillarychataika4885 15 күн бұрын

Who defines morality, hehehe? All these parties claim to be constitutional defenders, and yet when the constitution is in action, they object. Laughable really.

@phelelanimafuleka3854 14 күн бұрын

Judge President Hlophe broke which law?😂😂

@flavaofthemonth8786 14 күн бұрын

@@phelelanimafuleka3854exactly, they must prove which law he broke. The same parliament that stripped him of his position as a judge, did no envisage that he will in the near future be sitting on and making the rules about the constitution of this country.

@phelelanimafuleka3854 14 күн бұрын

@@flavaofthemonth8786 He is the MP now and leader of the MK in parliament. The DA will taking the whole parliament to court over non-existent matters

@user-we6fi6oh5f 13 күн бұрын

We have spoken as the country ... Hlophe does not deserve to be at parliament if he is a judge he must respect that please ... .

@ralphmitchell6718 15 күн бұрын

Moral values. Yes. If this judge had any he would have declined. Full stop. No debating. Wrong is wrong.

@flavaofthemonth8786 14 күн бұрын

But this is not a position of being a judge he's being nominated for here. People with no expert knowledge of law are holding his position at the JSC. Dr. Hlophe is more suitable for this and he's no longer a judge. Racists politicians wanted him to be ousted from a position of being a judge and they won. Now he's going there as an expert, a graduate with PhD in Law from Cambridge University. Live with it

@senzomemela1311 14 күн бұрын

To use moral standards against the constitution only when it suits your narrow views is, in itself, immoral and disingenuous.....

@NokuthulaKhumalo-sb2le 14 күн бұрын

Please don't come with your wrong your president did he declined to be a president because of the phalaphala scandal what did Hlophe do that Ramaphosa didn't do they're all wrong it's about time this media to start debate about phalaphala

@mookimoves9469 13 күн бұрын

Totally

@sakhiledlamini5750 13 күн бұрын

Half of the members in parliament are not loyal,Ramaphosa and his gang

@joseruiters5121 14 күн бұрын

I don't think the MK electorate agree with the decision of the leadership to elect Hlope

@ntombinyathikazi6438 14 күн бұрын

Who told you that, are you an mkp member and where did the mkp said that are not happy about Dr H election to lead mkp in parly?

@JabulaniMathuthu 14 күн бұрын

Yo thinking is wrong. Are u an MK supporter yoself? Nonsense

@AMAYD891 14 күн бұрын

We voted for mk and we are happy with this appointment 😅

@bonga4929 13 күн бұрын

I'm sure any reasonable person would love to be associated with the likes of Dr John Hlope considering his qualifications , there's a lot of wisdom to extract from Hlope !