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Fyi, Hololive girls get their manager changed periodically

Yeah just like what @kevinpratama said, these 2 conversations are two different managers from my knowledge

@@User-sk5zf I dunno if the new manager would feel inclined to send a dogeza for a previous manager though

well, there's a lot of projects that the manager can't do anything about it, like sponsors and stuff. so both of them don't have other choices. as korone said, they're just working.

Sometimes, managers need the talent to give the okay on things. Like it can't be helped, unfortunately.

That's what the inspiration behind sleeping Korone hologra was

except that it wasnt the wrong person lol, the manager should have respected her break, this is a black company after all, lack of empathy and dehumanized treatment by the employees is expected.

@@MrKroxan Hololive is unproven to be a black company, if it is then drop the receipts. This is how false rumors spread, through people like you assuming it's already true.

@@MrKroxan what are you on?

I never found any that holo is black company. Its exactly the opposite that the talents mostly forced themself. Hell tough job for manager that pursued them to rest. Harder in ID branch where their talent seems hard to the core, such as Moona wanted to stream even she got sick or Ollie who want to keep going even she didnt sleep at all. If talking about black company, I did found one which is comes from hololive rival, though it is only when the company still young. Salute for their first gen that become pillar for what they are now.

@@MrKroxan Lui worked in a black company beforehand and said how nice it was to work with Hololive after everything she went through there, how much better Hololive is.

Probably not even possible planning far ahead too with JP side, seeing JP side releasing songs, preparing for 3d/concert/lives, partnering with big company, then behind the scene stuffs like dance lesson, singing lesson, voice acting lesson (optional) and even English lesson (optional).

@@snow-yuki Then making a particular tempo is highly recommended to prevent overworking.

It also doesnt help that the JP are known to be usually against breaks when it comes to work because it makes it seem like they are seen as "Lazy" so they usually try to never take breaks

@@VIRGILE124 it's also probably why so many of them are suffering from throat or other medical issues recently. Overworking is a real thing. Most of them only sleep 4 hours according to themselves from a year ago.

@@SuperCatacata in japan if you arent over-working then you arent working enough, its why so many black companies have so much controversy

Oh yea no doubt. You dont want to mess with Korone when shes upset

you don't want to piss people with high tolerance, because when they pissed all hell will break lose... okayu, mio, roboco, azki, etc will be quite nasty when they really angry...

@@alphaxfang when a nice guy gets angry, the world shivers…

It’s very much the thing of guys like Goku or Superman; they’re normally so happy that when they get genuinely pissed off it’s terrifying even to the people they’re not mad at.

well certainly you don't wanna mess with someone who got black belt..

I just hope they listen to their bodies. I think Nene also had a nervous break down.

@@mr.vargas5648 well she said she's doing strong against her depression which I felt glad and worried at the same time, hopefully she's seriously taking care of herself

@@FAQ_SiLv I remember when Robin Williams said similar stuff, and look what happened at the end

Marine choose to use the high pitch cute voice which stresses her throat, and like most holomems her itinerary is pretty packed full. Rest is.. Difficult to say the least.

@@mr.vargas5648 yeah, polka dragged her to the hospital

OMG same here also traumatized with managing people 🤣

Yeah, but you kind of can tell when a manager is just getting pressure from the higher ups and when is just that they want results to BE one of the higher ups too, not saying this is happening in hololive, just talking from my own experience, they are some legit assholes out there who don't have an ounce of remorse asking people to stay late or giving them twice the work.

@@Yasviele yeah, you totally can, and it really sucks a lot when your manager doesn't even care about their people or how things actually go

Lol im one of those "corporate slaves" but i understand how hard the manager side of things is, i dont have to become one to understans the ammount of pressure they get from their higher ups. Sometimes good people turn into douches when they become managers because their job requires them to be douches..its sad

i've had some stressful jobs. or maybe i just dont handle stress well. i gave up trying to make a lot of money and just work a simple, less stress, 9 to 5 job and spend my energy on hobbies and my passion. i make less money now but i am a lot happier.

DOOGeza orz

Imo dogeza is the ultimate submissive gesture. I feel it’s too demeaning to use in common parlance, but seeing it being used even uncommonly is still outrageous. Speaks volumes of the type of person who would readily throw themselves to the ground in forgiveness. Sometimes, in my opinion, it’s better to stick by your decisions, good or bad, and seek no forgiveness for others’ perceived slight against them. TL;DR: grow a pair.

@@devranyilmaz9806 "for other's perceived slight?" what about if the slight is real and recognized by the person that committed it and it is a part of their culture?

@@drumanaut If you don’t personally feel any guilt, don’t let others shame or convince you that you should. These people don’t want you to say sorry, they want you to submit to them.

@@devranyilmaz9806 Bruh, that's not growing a pair, that's being a selfish jerkass. You're advocating & rationalizing some pretty gross behavior. The idea that people want you to submit to them is straight-up tinfoil-hat BS & speaks volumes about how you view others; sounds like selfishness born as a coping mechanism for a victim complex.

@@Fortevn You can just acknowledge it but don't have to do about it. Something called 'updates and news'.

why i block my job when im not at work lol. but her job is a bit different

1000% rest time is for rest. Everything else can wit.

The vibes I get are over-zealous grunts in Yakuza, knowing their asses (or worse) are on the line.

Lmao i can totally imagine that

well yeah, they're working, not playing around. there's a lot of projects that involve many people and big brand.

Oh boy, that's practically the norm where I'm from. I think the only countries this doesn't apply to are western countries. Asian and middle eastern countries suffer from the same thing from what I'm hearing from some of my overseas friends and from my own experience working as well. It's even worse with the work from home setup since your boss can just call you to make you work asap if need be and overtime pay is dependent on luck if you get into a good company that actually cares to record your OT hours.

Welcome to japanese work culture. Where 9-9 is expected.

@@miragespl In the west here they generally deter management from authorizing overtime because it increases hourly wage by 50% higher and their budget simply doesn't plan for the additional expense. They "can" call me up and ask me to come into work. Which they even have a stronger (personal?) objection. I'm not sure why but it's exceedingly rare for me to personally get called in. But at my job management is expected to shuffle employees around as much as possible to prioritize specific tasks as there are a lot of people doing supportive work. All time is tracked through automated systems and clocking in and out.

i dont get how anyone is on the side of someone saying "your sick, you need to work!"

I love how she admitted to being immature and wrong and you still wrote behind your keyboard, "I'm on Korone's side"

@@wrequiem1727 if ur really sick and ur forced into work, especially at times like these, your boss is an asshole, its not hard

@@hate6crew6death6roll Your manager is your boss? Even if that's the case for you, clearly not for holo

I wouldn't say anyone was in the wrong here, korone was sick and her manager was just doing her job. And i think what korone meant by being childish is the way she talked to her manager, she could've explain that she needed a rest with a bit of a calmer tone instead of shouting at her. Nobody is perfect but we can always fix it by improving ourselves.

How badly your area/department needs you? For example, if you an experienced IT/Software developer person with YEARS of work in the area.... Odds are mininal they will fire you for turning the phone off when past work hours and everything is within schedule (unless shit hit the fan BADLY) and they don't need any extra work (or just don't wish to give you reasons to give the 2 week notice if they PISSED you off a little too much)

Korone was on break but this is still a job with a lot that goes on behind the scenes. Deals are made, appointments set, contracts are organized, all stuff that can’t really be put off easily.

@@Assasin2 I know that, I never said that wasn't the case.

@@Assasin2 sure but when it's korone we talking about who always goes long hours in stream and she finally taking a break i think it's a given that manager know to not disturb her rest no matter how important the job is. it makes me feeling a bit angry at the management of holo.

@@Assasin2 None of that really needs her input.

@@momogi618 oh yeah her manager knows damn well, hell her manager probably knows korone better than any of us. but as already mentioned above, it's not her manager that makes the decision. there's a lot of people involved. in the end, korone is working for a company, if she needs to rest because of her endurance stream, then that means she shouldn't do endurance stream. if she wants to do anything she wants, then go indie. and I'm sure korone understands that.

I don't have it anywhere close to what they deal with but shoot just being the assistant manager gets annoying. It's your day off, workers calling you for stupid shit they should well know how to do especially after being there for more than a year is annoying in itself. the benefits would definitely have to out way the negative for me to stick with it. which is why i'm currently hoping my app i just put in thursday works out. "way more than you make now" is what i was told. we will see

Yagoo is in the wrong for making the manager's job to harass people on their break.

Thank you so much!!

Most idols don't get that luxury, it's probably why all of them are so young and always get overshadowed by new ones in a year or so, they give it their all for as long as they can but when they can't keep up the next generation is there to take their shot

@@velvetbutterfly Then i need to praise Pikamee, Tomoshika and Kson, who despite being JP Vtubers at core, somehow keep an oddly stable program of Streams and/or random content....

@@andrehashimoto8056 I don't think Pikamee is an idol, she's simply a streamer, and I don't think I heard of the others so I can't say

​@@velvetbutterfly Kson is Coco. She does a lot more RL streams now, not just vtuber things. Tomoshika is one of Pikamee's group. She's known for some rather yabe english, among other things.

@@ThoraeJenkins but are they idols?

Do they? .... Basically their job is to keep the talent working and ban them from actions that Cover doesn't like. Independent vtubers don't have managers and don't have any issues. The main benefit I see is that they organize contracts for sponsorships and paid events... but it isn't clear what the profit sharing is on that. Coco/kson certainly doesn't seem harmed by no manager.

@@Idiomatick depends.... Somewhat of an Opinion that came from RGE: Hololive is beneficial... WHEN IT COMES TO KEEP TALENT from causing PR disaster problems and providing proper support to Talent that can have issues managing that if they were to go (or did have done) solo/Indie. The thing is thus whether or not the Person behind the Vtuber character is able to avoid/disengage those PR hellholes properly without a Manager and Big Corpo backing them. Kson did quite the job, but even so the time she spent at Hololive brought quite the benefits (A large audience got to know the "style", learnt quite a lot to enhance the content/backstage work) to when she came back... so i guess the time she spent there also brought the expertise to handle by herself all parts of being an Online personality.... Kson i believe is one of those cases of getting better even when the game is going, but i hope that Imposter syndrome doesn't hit again anytime soon.

How did you somehow come to the conclusion that she her new manager are not getting along?

Bro I literally quit my job over these exact circumstances, employers need to know when enough is enough. We're not just expendable items that can work forever for their benefit.

Getting rest and work free time is super important. Employers who keep pestering people on their time off with work related stuff really need to stop. That's how you burn out your staff. I guess in their case some communication can't be helped, but they really need to try their best - because so many Hololive members have either broken down already and have health issues or show signs of burn out.

This sounds mighty presumptuous...

@@JayceCH. KZfaq comments on vtuber videos always come up with some ridiculously elaborate fantasy about how heccin' wholesome the corporation is, it's completely bizarre

@@NN-ix9wf can’t help it when we only see the good sides of it, we don’t know how their actual working environment really is, just wishful thinking from what we see from the talents themselves.

That's a nice fanfiction you wrote there my dude

man maybe you need to take a break yourself for a minute this isn't healthy

@@chill-man never piss off nobody Or anyone gets a ass wiping.

@@chill-man yes.

That's just what being an idol is, at least they can do most of their job at home so they can rest more than "real" idols but the entire industry is horrid

There's nothing that can be done about that. There is some work that can't be rescheduled

@@velvetbutterfly Not true actually. The more often you find youself working from home, the more you tie the idea of 'home' with the idea of 'work', and the time you spend there becomes less and less restful. This idea that working from home is somehow better than going to a workplace really needs to start being corrected before it becomes part of our culture. If you do work from home, try to do it either on a different computer to your personal one, and in a different room if possible. My friend couldn't do that, but having a 2nd account on his computer for 'work' and a different chair for working vs relaxing helped him out a lot, before he started doing that, he was finding it harder and harder to relax in his own private time.

@@ThoraeJenkins I'm aware but not needing to commute is a boon regardless

@@velvetbutterfly yes and no. If the commute is during peak times, or excessively far, definitely not great, but 30min to and from work is good for your mental health. It gives your mind time to change from work mode to non-work mode. Like all things in life, everything in moderation. Too much work, travel, and even rest are bad for you. On that topic, if you work from home, I suggest taking a short walk around the local area, 10-20 minutes after you stop working before you start your home life/relaxation, both because the excersize is good for you, fresh air and sun are very important, but also because it helps your brain get ready to relax.

They don't "still need to do work", the company is making them work and it's fucked up. Korone was rightfully angry. A medical professional told Korone to rest and that she will need 3-4 years to fully heal. Just imagine you were on sick leave and your employer told you have to come to work because you had some prior engagements with a client. While keeping bothering you all the way through your leave by sending you messages. This would be straight up illegal in many countries. It's not the worried fans that need to change their ways. It's the company operating in such insane conditions. Making a sick person working is not "working hard".

​@@Vulji well we don't know a lot of things about this. many of her sponsors required her just to record herself saying some lines. which is annoying to do when you're sick but totally doable. it is not ideal, true, but is it insane? is it fucked up? and you're saying that for 3-4 years, she will be sick. so what, just don't work for four years? and I wonder why is no one blaming korone for doing an endurance stream where her manager clearly told her to rest, don't do it too much. oh yeah, the one blaming the company is the fans of korone, of course, korone can't be wrong, right?

@@Verosa1410 But I did blame Korone. People gave me a lot of shits about it too. /r/Hololive/comments/ru25td/ ( turn that into a reddit url if you want to see my comment. KZfaq keeps deleting my comment if I post the full link) It is obviously not a good choice to do a 24 hours stream while your health is in her state. There is a difference between not working at all and having to take things slowly. See my other comment. Yeah it's fuck up ! I don't know if you realize but Japan is a place that has so many deaths by overwork that a special term was made to describe it: karoshi. One of the reason is not taking into account the health of the employees. It's the same in the entertainement industry. So yeah, knowing that, I think companies should have a legal obligation to not make sick people work. That's the least of things. Contractual obligations involving Korone should be either be renegotiate or delayed. The world will not end for Cover if Korone can't record lines about Sonic or Kunio-kun...

@@Vulji yes, japan as a whole have a fucked up work culture. But saying just from this one case that cover has that exact culture? Asking korone to record some line while she's sick is not ideal, but I don't think it's comparable to this karoshi thing. Unless you're including other cases, which I don't know, then maybe you have a point. But just from this story from Korone and you conclude that cover having a fucked up work culture is not fair. At least you're fair enough to not blindly blame it all on the manager.

@@Verosa1410 You're putting words in my mouth here buddy. I never said Cover as a whole has a fucked up work culture. I said that this particular incident was fucked up. A talent that just took a break because of an illness was pushed to her limit by a manager messaging her about work while she was trying to rest. This is a bad thing and shouldn't be normalized. We don't need to extrapolate on the whole company's work culture to know that. And of course the manager is not to blame. She's an employee too. She's just doing her job as an intermediary between the talents and the company.

Holo is an idol company first and foremost, it has one of the worst overwork mentalities by default

To be fair things tend to happen pretty quickly in their line of work. I wouldn't be surprised if her manager was just trying to keep her in the loop/on schedule without realizing how it could be received. just as an example, it could be like "oh lets remind her of this meeting coming up" then a couple hours later they get confirmation of a sponsorship deal, then an invitation to a special event, oh i just got word we will have to reschedule that trip to the office. Next thing you know they've sent a bunch of messages in a few hours and spammed her. I've been in this position before and realized I've spammed a bunch of emails without realizing it. To be fair the manager could have been operating on autopilot and not been taking into consideration that Korone was supposed to be on break, but i'm sure there were things that would require Korone's input that had probably been in motion before Korone went on break. Either way i'm glad to hear that there is no hard feelings.