Judge Holden's TRUE IDENTITY REVEALED

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Who was Judge Holden? We've been told for years that Holden was an undiscoverable figure that had been erased from history. But, some clever people on Reddit and other websites put this together and I'm sharing it on KZfaq for the first time!

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@camreese
@camreese 8 ай бұрын
He says he never sleeps he says he will never die and he is a great favorite
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 7 ай бұрын
loved by all!
@johnl9361
@johnl9361 9 ай бұрын
Hold up. You are confusing "Doc" Holden with "Judge" Holden. "Doc" Holden was among the men that made it to California with the scalp hunters, and may have been Charles Wilkins Webber. Samuel Chamberlain describes "Judge" Holden as "he stood six foot in his moccasins, had a large fleshy frame, a dull tallow colored face destitute of hair and all expression." Webber doesn't look like he has a "large fleshy frame", and he clearly has a beard in the photo. Furthermore, "Judge" Holden was well known child predator. Chamberlain writes: "terrible stories were circulated in camp of horrid crimes committed by him... a girl of ten years was found in the chapperal, foully violated and murdered. The mark of a huge hand on on her little throat pointed to him as the ravisher as no man had such a hand" Chamberlain also writes "Holden caught a Prima Indian girl and was proceeding to take gross liberties with her person" There is no record of Charles Wilkins Webber being a notorious child rapist. I think you are off the mark here.
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for pointing this out!
@jasonnabors6451
@jasonnabors6451 10 ай бұрын
I'm confused. Chamberlain said the judge was hairless. Is the judge a composite of people?
@saubhagtrasy
@saubhagtrasy 10 ай бұрын
"Hairless" in those times meant a man without a beard and moustache.
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 10 ай бұрын
^ Above comment is correct. Look at the sketch that Chamberlain did of him!
@ThumpRat
@ThumpRat 10 ай бұрын
@@WriteConscious wasn't he described as looking like a giant baby or did I imagine that? Always thought that description made him menacing
@jasonnabors6451
@jasonnabors6451 10 ай бұрын
@@WriteConscious I understand stand now. Mccarthy exaggerated his hairlessness.
@Deedsofwill
@Deedsofwill 10 ай бұрын
​@@jasonnabors6451yeha
@justingil27
@justingil27 2 ай бұрын
Great job again Ian. Love the substack, hoping I sell enough of my collection to cover your annual subscription haha
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 2 ай бұрын
You will soon brotha. You're putting in some work. Looked at your stuff the other day. Keep posting and promoting.
@Dapryor
@Dapryor 10 ай бұрын
You’re one of the most impressive KZfaqrs I follow. I’ve done some light digging on this subject and couldn’t find a damn thing. I honestly assumed that McCarthy read a sentence or two from history and embellished the rest.
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 10 ай бұрын
Thanks brotha!
@shockwave2617
@shockwave2617 10 ай бұрын
Well done. Though I feel the channel Re:wire also deserves credit as being the first channel to delve into the topic (not accusing you of stealing just bringing this to your attention).
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 10 ай бұрын
Nice, didn't know that channel existed!
@Dontyoudaregohollow777
@Dontyoudaregohollow777 2 ай бұрын
That is one person i would not want encounter ever
@Precisionetica
@Precisionetica 9 ай бұрын
Fear and Hunger 2 a popular dark video game . Father Hugo is inspired by this character and book.
@Cyber_Diesel
@Cyber_Diesel 2 ай бұрын
Just because Father Hugo is big and bold doesn't mean he is inspired by Judge.
@Precisionetica
@Precisionetica 2 ай бұрын
@@Cyber_Diesel there are a lot of references to European literature and characters. I don’t care too much about this game . I’m just highlighting it.
@TH3F4LC0Nx
@TH3F4LC0Nx 10 ай бұрын
Woooooow, you dug deep! :o Impressive. One thing I always wondered about Blood Meridian is why McCarthy didn't use the actual personages that Chamberlain mentioned in his memoir. And why Chamberlain himself wasn't in the book for that matter. Very intriguing stuff here. Almost like an old west conspiracy. :)
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 9 ай бұрын
The falcon has landed!
@matthewfergusons4318
@matthewfergusons4318 8 ай бұрын
The anime definitely would be good anime for blood anime would be great
@EvanP-gn4en
@EvanP-gn4en 5 ай бұрын
It’s definitely Charles Wilkins Webber.. however when you Google his name, the picture that comes up is NOT him, but a different man with a similar name.. thought it was worth mentioning
@ailux.
@ailux. 27 күн бұрын
It would be pretty interesting to see a crossover, where Judge Holden met Jesus Christ.
@wlljohnbey1798
@wlljohnbey1798 10 ай бұрын
I think you're right about Webber being the basis for Holden... Great research.
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 9 ай бұрын
:)
@troythedeconstructionist1382
@troythedeconstructionist1382 10 ай бұрын
5:03 Pretty sure both those paintings are from Chamberlain's my confession or at least painted by chamberlain and both meant to represent "Judge Holden" not Webber. I'm not even sure Camberlain would have even known Webber by his real name were we to assume them to be the same person, also he would've have been drawing the judge from memory with many years between the events occured and the creation of his diary. The colored picture on the right also has the glanton gang in frame including John Glanton himself, John Jackson, and even what looks to be some of the native american gang members. Though this detail doesn't necesarily discredit the premise of the video.
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 10 ай бұрын
You're right! Great catch!
@johnl9361
@johnl9361 9 ай бұрын
Yes, my thoughts exactly. There was a doctor with the expedition called "Doc" Holden, who made it to California with the gang. This may have been Webber. I don't think Webber was "Judge" Holden. The physical description just doesn't match.
@alexsetterington3142
@alexsetterington3142 Ай бұрын
Blood Meridian has a Long Webber and a Doc Irving
@thealphamalemodel7792
@thealphamalemodel7792 9 ай бұрын
Very well done.
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 7 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@UnstableChainsawBear
@UnstableChainsawBear 8 ай бұрын
Very interesting, although I disagree on Captain White being Walker.
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 7 ай бұрын
Yup! Who knows!
@rocketmatt1996
@rocketmatt1996 3 ай бұрын
Isn’t the drawing of the judge giving a lecture on the rock on the right also a drawing by chamberlain?
@Stepsister_calls_me_daddy
@Stepsister_calls_me_daddy 6 ай бұрын
Im gonna start watching this video if i ever need motivation.
@JudgeFromBloodMeridian
@JudgeFromBloodMeridian 3 ай бұрын
"whoever avoids evil, enter Its fear"
@cactuscoolest4564
@cactuscoolest4564 10 ай бұрын
I noticed a couple of times when you mixed up the 1800s with the 1900s. When you said “1958” did you mean 1858? I sure hope people weren’t being killed and their heads put in jars in the 1950s! 😂
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 9 ай бұрын
Still is happening in 2023 in Mexico lol
@KensN2History
@KensN2History 8 ай бұрын
They more than likely where and still are plus Korean war was in the 50s some of the worst fighting in history if you research it
@tectorgorch8698
@tectorgorch8698 2 ай бұрын
Bazinga! American history is a bottomless pit of juicy weirdness. I've never seen Alex Cox's film about Wm. Walker -- what's it called? -- but Netflix's current offering of Repo Man has reignited my desire to see it. Spoiler alert: I found BM repetitive and tedious in the second half, but so what...
@theemptyatom
@theemptyatom 3 ай бұрын
He is a composite character
@aydenevans417
@aydenevans417 8 ай бұрын
i dont think we will ever know the real judge holden, men back then were often not documented at all, especially out west I reckon the man probably didn't even have a birth certificate
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 7 ай бұрын
Yeah! If we haven't uncovered yet we probably won't.
@SKaR64
@SKaR64 3 ай бұрын
@@WriteConscious I agree. I've heard all of these speculations on Judge Holden's (from McCarthy novel and Chamberlain's alleged memoir) identify for over 20 years. Very little evidence is ever provided that would assist a historian in connecting the dots and forming the same conclusion. I think the entertaining characters supposedly encountered by Chamberlain are an amalgamation of people from his Mexican War memories, newspapers articles and western novels of the time. A lot of Chamberlain's claims cannot be corroborated, and Walter Prescott Webb denounced the memoir as a hoax when it was first published in Life Magazine. Judge Holden may have existed in some form, but would an author really want to risk outing such a person. 🤔
@redacted5035
@redacted5035 10 ай бұрын
Hell yeah dude
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 10 ай бұрын
Thanks brotha!
@countdublevay7327
@countdublevay7327 10 ай бұрын
Could Webber play music? Was he a dancer?
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 9 ай бұрын
These are important questions!
@rwm4738
@rwm4738 9 ай бұрын
1853, not 1953.
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 9 ай бұрын
Yup!
@enriccoc7794
@enriccoc7794 10 ай бұрын
lol how did his head get in that vinegar jar. crazy!
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 9 ай бұрын
lol
@ElliotSpencer-fz8ov
@ElliotSpencer-fz8ov 8 ай бұрын
No he was bald,silly americans😃 inthe book anyway.
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 7 ай бұрын
lol
@Benjamin1998
@Benjamin1998 4 ай бұрын
I'm Irish and I'm tired of Americans pronouncing the name Cormac wrong. it's not pronounced "kor-mack" it's pronounced "kor-MUCK". not kidding. just change its spelling to Cormuc in your heads to make it easier, I dunno. I also hate the way you guys pronounce names like McGrath, Cilian, Gallagher, etc. their actual pronunciations are "muck-rAH", "kill-ee-in", and "galla-her" respectively.
@WriteConscious
@WriteConscious 4 ай бұрын
Nope, it's COR-MACK. That's what he called himself and his brother called him that too lol. Plus everyone else. There is a difference between American and Irish English. Language evolves and dialects exist.
@Benjamin1998
@Benjamin1998 4 ай бұрын
@@WriteConscious you’ve got to be kidding me. he pronounced his own name wrong
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