It seems like half the comments are "You don't know anything about Judo! 😡" and the other half are "Yeah, I did Judo for years and it definitely sucks. 😮‍💨" Fight! Fight! Fight!

Bro has never been Judo chopped and it shows

My biggest criticism of wrestling is this: it’s largely unavailable for adults. If you’re lucky enough to have wrestling classes at your gym, that’s fantastic, but outside that is pretty much only available to scholastic athletes.

Meet me on the Judo range .... and bring your Aikido rifle.

the IJF and its consequences have been a disaster for Judo

Edit: Why Olympic Judo sucks

I am a judo black belt and think you are mostly right, a little blunt, but right. Judo is not the competition ruleset but i can't deny the negative influence of the ruleset, my teacher (or sensei as we like to call it) taught me the importance of a good standing to ground transition, but if you want to win in the IJF ruleset you almost can't do it right. Now what am i doing to be a better judoka? i am cross training with bjj, bjj have what judo lost, judo have what bjj lost, maybe is not the optimal way, but in my country, wrestling is almost nonexistent, and i started at judo so that's my path of learning, and always is there the why i do what i do, i am not seeking an mma career and love the judo and Japanese martial arts culture. I love your channel and i think you are a smart guy with a clever opinion. (English is not my native language, i hope i was able to express my opinions correctly)

Fedor has done judo since he was 11 years old tho. Yes he did Sambo also, because both martial arts are basically the same, but that doesn't discredit all his Judo training. You don't get to the top of a country in Judo, specially one as competitive in the sport as Russia without a LOT of training in that martial art. The dude is NOT an olympian only because he lost to the dude who would go on to represent Russia in the olympics (just google Alexander Mikhaylin and Tamerlan Tmenov to see the kind of competition Fedor faced). That's when he trasitioned into MMA. And don't mentiom Combat Sambo, Combat Sambo became a thing around the time where Fedor entered MMA.

Judo doesn't suck on the street because it's your mom job 💀💀💀💀

Ive been in this Dennys parking lot for 2 hours now. Starting to think he might not show up.

Judo guy here, it depends where you train. We always train to throw and finish with a submission because you're never guaranteed the point. Half our class time is newaza so we're quite good with transitioning to ground work. Also, top 5 submissions in MMA are all judo techniques.

I agree with most of it. The Olympic ruleset is garbage and it heavily influences the way Judo is practiced in most gyms. A few points of disagreement: 1. Knowing how to deal with other people grabbing your clothing is just as important as using clothing offensively. A competitive Judo player has the instincts to immediately block, break, and nullify grips on clothing and it's one of very few sports where this skillset is trained. 2. You don't need a winter jacket to throw or choke someone, nor does it have to be unzipped. A t-shirt, dress shirt, or sweater will suffice for a throw or choke. The gi is used in training so that people don't have to buy 10,000 t-shirts. 3. Clothing changes the grappling game. The reason Japanese Judo players never invested much time in double legs and single legs, for example, is because grip fighting and gi grips massively diminish the effectiveness of those attacks. The proof of this is that in sport Sambo today, where leg attacks are still legal and there are plenty of skilled wrestlers competing, leg attacks still don't dominate the highest-scoring techniques. Foot sweeps, arm throws, and hip throws are well-represented among high-scoring techniques because they are effective techniques when people are wearing clothing. If you live in a beach town where everyone in wearing swimwear all day, fair enough. Folkstyle wrestling will be more realistic. If you live where most of the people in the world live, getting some experience grappling with clothing is a good idea.

I used to have the same mindset until my bjj coach forced me to train with judokas for a while… that humbled me down big time. Maybe you should try it out yourself instead of let say… just talking about it? 😅

12:26 Judo does teach you to follow them to the ground though, as a Judo practitioner (at least at my club), it's drilled into us to never let go of our opponent after throwing them so we can immediately follow with a holdown/armlock/stranglehold etc.

Good critique of modern Judo and its rulesets. But not even close to a fair assessment of the art overall and its' applicability/history/track record as a fighting system.

Okay, my eyebrows raised when I saw the title of the video and then after watching it realize it's basically when Judo is taken as a sport and not combined with any other sort of art. On that, I'll definitely agree. The following relates my own personal experiences and may not represent the wider audience as a whole. I originally started studying Karate, BJJ, and Muay Thai back in 2001. Over the years I have studied or dabbled in close to a dozen different martial arts and have a fairly wide background but without necessarily gaining any expertise in any single art. I have previously worked as a Reserve Police Officer in the Midwest and a tactical security team supervisor on the Las Vegas Strip. I won't be the guy that claims to have been in dozens of streetfights, but I have on occasion been in physical altercations. A couple of years ago I started doing some critical thinking about those actual, real life encounters I've been in and came to the realization that not once have I ever punched, kicked, choked, or submitted anyone. Not that there's *never* a time to punch, kick, or submit someone, I just never have. I've never used ANY of the Karate, BJJ, Muay Thai, or most of the martial arts I've studied. What I *have* used in real life encounters is wrestling, Judo, and Hapkido (wrist and joint locks for pain compliance). I've never used a single or double leg takedown to put someone on the ground, however I *have* used judo style hip throws (despite the suspect not wearing a gi, jacket, or other analogue). I have also used Hapkido style arm bars to put people on the ground. This has been my own personal experience, and largely why I've shifted away from studying BJJ or Muay Thai. I've simply never used them. I thought about why this is and concluded that it has to do with rule set and win condition. In any situation, there's a rule set and a win condition. The moves which are most effective at accomplishing the win condition are going to rise to the top. In MMA, with their win condition (usually KO or submission) and rule set (varies somewhat based on venue) strike based arts and BJJ/wrestling style grappling are the most effective. Hence why most winners have those backgrounds. In a "streetfight" where there are "no rules" (there are, it's called the law, learn it). Those styles often are the most effective again. However in a *self defense* situation there's a different rule set and win condition. The bad guy has the win condition of taking your stuff or hurting you without getting caught. The victim has the win condition of getting away safely without any injury or loss of property. In that case with different win conditions different moves will rise to the top (hint: if you're the victim your best bet is firearms training). For law enforcement/security, the bad guy has the win condition of getting away and generally doesn't have to or try to comply with laws regarding use of force. LEO/Security has the win condition of getting the bad guy in cuffs with as minimal injury to the suspect as possible and has to comply with law. Generally speaking, MMA *isn't* a good first option for that (if I'm getting my butt kicked then it's a different story, that's the second option and I'm more than happy to fall back on it if necessary). For me, wrestling, Judo, and Hapkido have been the arts that I've found most effective at accomplishing my win condition reliably.

I don't get the point of this video. A martial art is defined by its rule set. Judo, BJJ and wrestling are different because the rule sets are different. Do we want them all to end up like MMA? Is boxing overrated because you can't kick? Is Muay Thai overrated because there is no ground game? Or are we evaluating them for self defense? These are sports. If you want to defend yourself, carry a knife or a gun.

All good points here. However, i will contend the 4th degree "black belt" losing to the white belt bjj player; that's an exception, i can assure you, as someone who trains both

Ok, Wrestling is the GOAT without a doubt. But I can't defend the actual Jiu-jitsu scene with this epidemic of guard pulling imposed on the art by the IBJJF rule set.

So, a note about NAIA. NAIA is pretty close to D 3 but when it comes to wrestling compared to sports like football and basketball the skill gap between athletes is actually smaller between the divisions. I would argue D 2 is more comparable for wrestling because you can get athletic scholarships in NAIA giving them a better pool of talent. In fact a D1 multi-time champion was beat by an NAIA champion not too long ago a few years back. The major difference is how often the divisions meet and how many resources are available to keep athletes training year round.

One thing worth mentioning about "street fights" is just how many of them are either: A. Drunken bar fights. And/or B. Unofficial "honor duels", where someone feels insulted and wants to fight about it. In the former, yeah, everything works. In the latter, a lot of people don't like grapplers on the whole. They wanna do fisticuffs. Bystanders (usually one or both guys' "boys") who would have let the fight go on for punches will intervene and separate clinches and ground fights, because it's "less honorable." Maybe that's just my experience. But a lot of fights that don't involve multiple attackers or weapons are just about dudes who wanna puff their chest.

Honestly an interesting perspective, i do think that when ranked as a complete fighting art its lacking, its appeal to me is kinda like hema, putting into practice these old ways of using a weapon (like someones jacket) in a fight. But honestly as a judoka i do have to say, the point about an ippon not necessarily ending the fight is really fair, even when i get hurt in judo i usually dont start to really feel it until the adrenaline’s gone down

Been do bjj +10yrs just started judo love it.. watched my bjj 3dgree 300lb instructor get effortlessly repeatedly thrown by a 175lb brown belt judoka ... if he didn't know how to take a fall and it was concrete he wouldn't get up...

High risk, unrealistic attacks are common in combat sports.TKD’s head kicks come immediately to mind. Even if the kick had no power and the assailant falls down after, he gets the points. The infamous BJJ butt scooting is defensive, but equally dumb. Is your complaint about the sport and its rules? Or that it’s not a real fight? Do you need to see someone slash someone with a broken bottle or bash their head on pavement to be satisfied? It’s a sport. It’s all just aggressive tag. At the end of the day there are only really 3 martial arts: striking, wrestling and weapons, including firearms. The rest is just style and teaching methods.

I do Judo. You did your research well, forgot a couple of things though. 1. Very few Judokas give a shit about MMA, myself included, so I'm not arguing with your points there. 2. I don't know if you've ever been in a street fight, but strength and stamina come before technique and Judokas are in general very strong, very explosive and have the grip strength of a chimp (thanks to the Gi). Obviously wrestlers are as well. And when it comes to techniques, there are sooo many that do not require a Gi and some of them are even useful against double/single leg takedowns. Just to list a few off the top of my head. - Koshi Guruma, - Kosoto Gari, - Osoto Gari, - Ura Nage, - Tani Otoshi, - Sumi Gaeshi, - Soto Makikkomi, - Tai Otoshi, - Sasae, - Hadaka Jime, - Juji Gatame There are more. I get that you wanted to ruffle some feathers, but to think that a Judoka would do pure, rule-compliant Judo in a street fight is a bit idiotic.

I quote you from one of your other videos, which was golden: 'You don't win with one move, you win with an interconnected web of moves that work together.

Came in offended Left educated

Dude, Judo is badass for the street. Imagine using the entire planet earth as a weapon---thrown to concrete [head first]. Also don't forget that the ground part of BJJ was originally from Judo called [Newaza]. Gracies didn't invent ground work.

as a judo defender, i'd have to agree. judo's main pit fall is banning effective techniques like leg grabs or korean style judo

Ok as an offended judoka that also trains bjj imma respond a bit lol -Wrestling is obviusly better in mma so we agree on that -Regarding the bjj vs judo, both can be good and both can equally suck depending on your school, if you dont train takedowns or almost dont train takedowns, you are just as fucked as a judoka who does not have any ground work. That being said, you don´t really need a lot of groundwork to submit most people, but taking people down consistently even if they are untrained does require more practice. Still, you need some ground work and some takedown ability -Regarding the 1-)"you relly on a gi or a winter jacket" and the 2-)"you throw yourself as much a you throw the other guy". 1-) Judo at the highest levels does relly more on the gi because grip fighting becomes super important, that being said, most basic judo translate very easily to nogi and uses the same principles, so most people will fall against an osotogari or seoi nage without the gi, also people for some reason assume that we cant just grab a big chunk of cloth from your tshirt and throw you, nor grab your belt with a georgian grip and throw you, which we can. 2-)This is not the case, you do see high level judo competitors throwing theirselves with their opponents because there is no other way to throw another highly trained highly athletic individual (and even then it doesnt happen always), but when you have a skill difference even small is really easy to throw and keep yourself standing you see that a lot if you go to a judo dojo and see higher belts sparring colored ones.

fedor did a ton of judo. he was kept out of the olympic team by tmenov who was a beast and took silver. insert the hand through the armpit until it emerges through the neck hole. form the grip there and you can hit turn throws on people in t shirts. on a zipped up jacket you just grip the armpit rather than the lapel. there's a lot of fail in this video but there's three right there.

Yoooooo! I've been waiting for this! Let's goo! I just started judo and am looking forward to learn why I'm wasting my time!

This is why I trained freestyle judo. I hated the limitations of IJF.

This is silly, you seem to know just a bit about every martial arts and it shows. IF MMA was fought in the Gi everyone would use Judo as a base and go on about how Judo is the greatest base for mma etc. The only reason why it is not fought in a gi is because its made to make money and people want to see jacked fighters with 6 pack abs fight it out. Where as normally in the real world people are usually wearing something. With that know fact, just think about how many if any fights you've had on the street and if the other person was wearing a long sleeve shirt you could grab (You don't need a jacket) my rate is 2/3 they were wearing something I could grab and even the one without anything I foot swept in about 2-3 seconds and was on top of him. I am about 6 feet tall weight about 205lbs I strongly doubt... let me rephrase that I put good money you could not throw me on my head. Granted I have taken a few no gi judo classes and have been adjusting my Judo for no Gi. Actually it has been easier to throw people without the Gi if I am honest. I can go on about this but I might just make a video instead.

I wrestled in middle school and high school but stopped after graduating. I joined my university’s free judo club in my senior year of college because everything else was too expensive for me and it was certainly an interesting time. Questions about leg grabs would come up frequently, and every time the sensei would offer a different variation of a completely ridiculous made-up explanation of why they were “too dangerous.” Remaining silent and respectful during these discussions every day was a huge challenge for me. Finally, at an event where the team came together to watch Olympic judo footage, I pointed it out whenever judokas executed textbook double leg takedowns, which became increasingly common as the footage got closer to the year 2010. Finally, I got the sensei to admit that “The real reason they banned leg grabs was because the wrestlers joined and started winning everything, and the judo people got really pissed off.”

Time for the spicy takes 🔥

I don't remember any YT video making me so tired. You are complaining all the time about Judo, have you praised this martial art for anything? for a grip like a crocodile's jaw? for incredible durability? 1. You show some Olympic games, of course they don't want to land on their backs, that's why they train. The last thing a judoka wants is to lie on his back. 2. IJF makes a really bad for Judo community - banning legs, but we cannot do anything about it. 3. Judo vs BJJ - 2 weeks ago there was uploaded YT short, 7 mln views, Judoka vs BJJ, both black belts, Judoka beat him in 20 seconds and put on the lever 4. Judo vs Wrestling - yeah you might be right. I heard that there are some wrestlers going on Judo tournaments and winning. but so what? 5. Presence in MMA - MMA has its own rules, alot of was talked about it why BJJ or striking are better for it. 6. How you can even compare that Judo vs BJJ = automatically BJJ win? The person is fighting not the Martial Art !!! If on street fight enemy don't know how to fight and you know ANY martial art - you win If on street fight enemy know how how to fight and you know ANY martial art - up to a person, its lottery BUT if we have fight on street it can end also with a knife, and most probably it will like it, who normally attack other people? The best method is RUN. Whoever read the comment - don't listen what any YT say, pick any martial art you like and train. Go on training and have fun. Do what you like. It will benefit you anyway regardless.

I'll keep it short, can't be bothered to write a thesis on every claim made.... well not on mobile phone at least. 1. Very true about rules deficiency of Judo - a good throw is not enough in fighting competitions. Although most of the throws on the concrete WILL end the fight, in mma that's just a single part of the skills needed, still a very important one, and I'll come back to that later. 2. Saying that judokas aren't prepared for scrambling that comes after the throw is just an asumption made by watching too many judokas competing in bjj matches. My judo school wasn't elite by any means, but approx. the third of the time we did ne-waza. Would I suck against bjj guy in bjj match - of course I would! But so would everybody else too. BTW, at least we're willing to try ourselves in other grappling styles - how many bjj players have you seen entering a judo competition? 😅 3. Gi is a huge factor, of course - but lack of it is NOT a deciding one. Here's the inside info - we judokas always understood that, and have been cross-training in wrestling since the dawn of judo. We highly respect our leotard-wearing grappling brothers. 4. This one honestly surprised me in it's ignorance - saying that Fedor's takedown profficiency comes not from judo, but sambo instead is plain laughable. Sambo, unlike bjj, never hid that it came from judo. Fedor probably has thousands of takedowns during his career, and NONE of them came from shooting for the legs. When You see Fedor taking down a guy from a standing scramble - he's not doing sambo techniques - he's doing uchi-matas, kouchis, osotos and sasaes, ALL KODOKAN JUDO MOVES. 5. Saying that singles and doubles are the "safest" way of executing the takedown is also plain wrong. Look at the Dagestani crew and Khabib and Islam especialy. Sure, they shoot all the time, but what makes them extremely dangerous is that they could take an opponent down from clinch and body locks WITH CERTAINTY. Those sweet, sweet foot sweeps they do? Yep - judo. Mostly de-ashi barai and sasae tsurikomi ashi. Most of us judokas perfectly understand that judo in it's wildest dreams could't be one-over-all martial art in mma, but hey - NO MARTIAL ART IS. What judo CAN bring to the mma though is versatility of the takedown game, a crucial part of the fight - Fedor, Parisian, Khabib and Islam already showed us how, we're just waiting for our John Danaher, a guy that will come up with a better, and more robust system of teaching judo, specialy for the no-gi application. That would be it, and please forgive me for butchering English.

I got to watch out for chadi's response to this. I believe he's a judoka but makes a lot wrestling video essays.

What do you mean? Judo works great on the street. When I trip it keeps me from cracking my head open on the sidewalk.

16:30 Ohh that great, can you enter a Judo competition like Seth did and get a medal? Out of curiosity have you won medals in any form of martial art competition? Or had any ranked Amateur fights?

If we still did catch wrestling in America it would be better than MMA.

The reason that judoka tend to be under represented in MMA is because Judo has a separate track for high-level athletes, the Olympics. Within Judo, the Olympics is the goal, not UFC. So high levelled Udoka do not tend to cross train into MMA, they specialise into Judo for the Olympics.

Judo was founded under the assumption that after you get an opponent to the ground you stab them to death, double legs, scramble and submissions are a last resort option when fighting for survival or on the battlefield

I love Judo but thank you for making the point that "HITTING PEOPLE WITH THE EARTH" doesn't always end the fight. Drives me crazy that no one seems to understand this.

You make a good case, but a high level judoka is still the one person I’m scared to get into a clinch with

Most of these points are valid, but I can attest to the danger of an old-school guy who has trained with Japanese judokas. A 45 year-old black-belt judoka came to our BJJ gym and after a few minutes of pass guard game (king of the mat) he was dominating most everyone and even got occasional submissions over the two black belt instructors. He was bigger than them though. His understanding of balance and using body weight and technique instead of muscle was remarkable.

A very nice and fair take. In any fight, no sole martial art has any massive advantage over another. Striking mixed with some sort of grappling is needed on da streetz or in the cage. In early MMA, it seems that judokas had some advantage in the clinch, since early on the clinch game was more dirty boxing, knees, level changes for takedowns, and arm control/whizzers. But now the clinch game has grown and many fighters know what to look for in terms of hip leverage and set ups for trips.

I do Judo and I have been saying this for a while. Judo in the USA seems to have a inferiority complex where a bunch of nerds try to belabor the virtues of their martial art for self defense and this video was just so cathartic.

Judo provides enough athleticism to fight 90% of people on the street. It also teaches you how to handle the human body, though possibly not as well as wrestling or BJJ. That said, take a good judoka, give him 9 months of boxing and 9 months of BJJ, and he will probably defeat 99% of people on the street.

You are on a padded surface, which allows for scrambles regardless of takedown amplitude. Change the fighting environment to "da streetz" or concrete and see how well an individual would even get the idea to scramble from a full commitment osoto-gari, which by the way is a high- percentage move that is NOT A HIP THROW. The ground in which you land on drastically changes the dynamics. Also, Judo doesn't magically go away without the gi because people most of the time wear clothes. They aren't as sturdy as the GI because you're not meant to practice with them repeatedly.

The reasons you mentioned are some of the reasons why I have adopted Justin Flores’ “wrestle-judo-jitsu” philosophy of combining it all, gi and no gi. He (j Flo) and max Schneider (onejudoka) are a treat to watch.

Great video as always. So refreshing to listen to you

Dang my plan to only start fights during the cold months is thwarted. Win to you armchair violence...win to you.

Man when i did judo as a kid you threw to get a pin. Its not much of a thing anymore but in terms of striking there is kudo. Ground fighting used to be more of a thing too.

Bro, those disclaimers 😂 My man had no chill, and I'm here for it, buddy!

I really appreciate this video. What you said at 13:25 is also really interesting to me. Do you think you could do a video addressing which takedowns from wresting would work on concrete vs. which ones would get the person performing the takedown hurt? I feel like I see a lot of takedowns in the UFC that would hurt both people if it were performed on concrete. Wrestling seems like a great martial art for self-defense, but sometimes it seems like there are only a few takedowns that would really be wise to use on a hard surface. I don't know that much about wrestling though, so I'd be really interesting to learn more.

Thanks, now the only grappling art that is accessible to me is bad apparently..

An effective martial art is one that you pressure test going at or near 100% intensity. That is why the grappling arts prepare you for actual combat much better than most striking arts where you just don’t train that way. Judo has the rule set that it does for safety and to differentiate from other grappling arts and is the most popular grappling art in the world for a reason. To say it’s not effective is just plain wrong. Sambo and BJJ are judo with a different emphasis. All are good arts worth learning.

Whether I agree or not, I really like how you argument your points with examples and only minimal smugness. On the internet, that's rare.

As a sincere response, I don't think you engaged with judo's curriculum. It seems like you had a conclusion and picked clips to justify it. You say they don't train to follow to the ground, but that's not true. You talk like all of the throws are hip throws, but very few are. MMA is most popular in America, where judo is least popular. The best judoka in Europe and Asia have no reason to go to MMA.

I'm a new-ish judo coach (since last summer), so I came into this like: "Haha, time to get ripped on and reflect," but: -Sport judo rewards players for the wrong things, like ending up on bottom. That's why you wouldn't use sport judo and footsweeps (maybe ko-uchi if other dude is really stupid) in a self defense situation. There's osoto, tai o, and hip throws for self defense. Yama arashi on 'crete is basically murder. -Judo doesn't allow leg grabs or it encourages people to not rely on grabbing someone's leg to throw them? Also, Kosen judo is a thing and becoming rapidly popular to the point that I have to learn and teach a whole new set of techniques. -Judo is useless if the guy isn't wearing a jacket, except there's lots of ways to throw someone without any upper body layers. I'm glad you made this video because I do generally feel judo on it's own isn't perfect, but I feel like a lot was left out.

BJJ blackbelt and Judo blackbelt here. Freestyle Judo and Kosen Judo -- decidedly the least popular rulesets, by exponential scale -- are drastically better for actual combat. But even those are best used as an elective "minor" in a BJJ curriculum. But when they are incorporated as such, they solidly fill in some absences in BJJ holistic arsenals. Just as wrestling should be a required "minor" concentration in a BJJ curriculum. IJF style should only be trained by people who are fine with it being a pure sport, or pure hobby. One of my favorite spectacles at IBJJF opens was when BJJ black belts who were also judo blackbelts would ragdoll the other blackbelt on their feet. Lots of airtime!

Hello Mr Violence. Nice to see you again. Almost missed this one then realized I did not have Notifications on. Controversial subject, no doubt. Especially when I find videos extolling Judo like"why judo is best for self defense - Joe Rogan" and "this is why judo is the best martial art" and "lethal techniques banned" and "old judo was crippling." However you provide a very cogent and logical argument whereas other sources seem primarily emotional or biased. I am always impressed with the effort you make and the logical structure of your arguments and the lively, crisp and slightly sarcastic presentation style. I pretty much always find your arguments quite valid and very convincing. You are certainly one of the best and clearest commentator on fighting styles I have come across. So thank you once again for your efforts and be well until next time. Cheers!

"Judo is a different level. If I have the chance to take Judo Olympic Medal or Freestyle (Wrestling)... please, of course Judo" - Khabib Nurmagomedov

You said some things that are incorrect. -Judo does not need a jacket. Plenty of judo throws are done in no gi, MMA and submission matches. -Judos system does do singles or doubles, leg grabs are part of the curriculum it’s just not part of the sport element. - Judo does not only have arm locks they have chokes and guard play and transitions, it’s again just less a focus in competition. -you do not inherently land in bad positions. Just like a boxer can over extend a punch or drop his gaurd, Muy Thai guy miss timed a kick and get swept, a wrestler can scramble and end up in a bad position, BJJ guy go for a bad submission and get reversed… this doesn’t mean that’s the standard it just happens. - just like there are videos of judo guys losing to BJJ and wrestling there are videos of the opposite as well. Measuring Judos success as an art through how well it does in MMA is narrow sighted. It is, a takedown art, doesn’t advertise itself as the most elite finishing art. Judos fight concept came from the battlefield, you throw some one down to the ground, with a potential fight ending throw, and then the samurai would finish with a short sword. This historical aspect was preserved and what you see in Judo competitions is simply the sports application . The idea was not to be wrapped up or wrestle it to the ground spending unnecessary time there that could get you killed. This concept of not spending too much time on the ground is still understood in Military combatives. It also gives perspective for those who practice Judo. I wrestled done some jiu jitsu and Judo. It’s always mma or wrestling purist that feel this need to discredit Judo as if recognizing its legitimacy some how takes away from their art and that’s not the case. It’s got some amazing throws and probably the best system for learning foot sweeps. If you don’t care about those things and care to spend more time wrestling and submissions so be it. To each their own.

You need to watch more hockey if you think grabbing someones shirt collar isnt effective in a fight

Awesome video coach! You should also do one comparing Sanda to Muay Thai!

Subscriber here. Just want to say great video. Is nice to hear a different and honest opinion on Judo. Most of the content is always positive. Many points you brought up were a concern for many but never addressed. I would love to hear your opinion on KUDO. Its originally a mix of Kyokushin Karate and Judo. Over time they incorporated techniques from muay thai , bjj and wrestling. Its essentially MMA in a Gi.

One thing that immediately strikes me in these kinds of arguments is what you said around 2:45. Judo doesn't work in an 'actual fight'. I honestly hate how much work that vague term can do. You either mean a street fight, in which the counter argument is people can just do judo as a competitive sport without being concerned if it is the single best self defense sport (you don't punch or kick, obviously it's not the best) or you mean a everything goes kind of show of between people from different martial arts backgrounds, which is an entirely different beast. The thing is though, that in an MMA ring you are not doing self defence, and on the street you are doing MMA - there are way more variables. A lot of arguments just come down to this, and at this point it should be obvious to everyone who has a bit of a brain that muay thai and wrestling are simply going to 'beat' most other martial arts. Judo is weird because it tries to be a spectator sport, but as you show it does not fully succeed at this. However, I think this is the more interesting angle to judge the sport by. Most of it's competitive rules exist to force judokas to practice throws, at a much more fundamental level than you even adressed. Not only do you wear a gi, you are not allowed to grip in a very 'stiff' way (no idea what the English terminology is), which is basically the most effective way to grip someone to prevent them from throwing you. You get disqualified if you grip the wrong way too many times. The question is whether judo, with it's ruleset around spectatorship (and sometimes safety), is actually all that interesting for spectators. And I think you are right in you examples that not only is the ground work really boring, but also the scoring system makes little sense. Judo is really due for a revised ruleset. However, in my opinion a sport like judo where people throw each other around could be really fun to watch if it succeeded at what it did. Would it be the best in the UFC? No, but a boxer is also going to have a hard time defending against kicks, but that doesn't mean boxing should change it's ruleset for that reason. In conclusion, I do not think you are wrong, but whether or not something is overrated depends on the vague general opinion anyway, and is kind of hard to prove either way. If your arguments around fighting sports rely on both 'overrated' and 'actual fight' (I cannot stress how much I hate that 'term'), your arguments are being somewhat carried by vague concepts.

I feel like if you enjoy judo…then by all means do judo! Not everyone has to train for MMA or a street fight.

Hey jake, let me ask you something, what do you think is the second best martial art for self defense, once you said the best is wrestling, but I would love to know what’s the second one that comes after wrestling, I admire your job on KZfaq

if judo is overrated, then what is bjj ...

As a former judoka, turned mma fighter agree. But nothings more op than a taio Toshi maki komi from whizzer

Tbf, if you're out at night, it shouldn't be uncommon for people to be wearing sturdy jackets, not necessarily thick ones

Totally underrated channel. You're good at thinking, analyzing and talking. You'll do good in life.

Finally, I've been waiting very impatiently

The thing is, judo's rules are changing to make it a better sport to watch/train, it's not being modified to be better in real fights and I agree with that because I and the majority of people don't train judo for self defense or MMA, but for competing in judo itself.

Hey just a couple notes that you should consider - The stalling by holding the opponent down really isn't what you think. Traditionally, Judo is sort of what emerged after the samurai era ended. Osaekomi is pretty much what some samurai would do - hold their opponent down in water to drown them. Maybe not practical now, but that's why it was there at all. If you want to criticize hold downs, it goes for wrestling too, although they are clearly pretty different. But it is lsrgely symbolic, although not practical now. - Yeah, a 4th dan getting raped like that.... not a good look. But many dojos are still out there spend at least half the time on the ground. Its not that judo doesn't have good scrambling and chaining, because believe me it does... its just that clubs who don't can get away with showing the turtle position to blick anything and calling it a day, aince the IJF encourages that. Judo clubs who get some stray BJJ guys are very privileged, since those guys are obviously great at the ground. I will come back to the Ne Waza point. - Judo takedowns are indeed, not as good as wrestling. Especially with the IJF fcking up everything... and I would not reccomend Judo for street fights, as a judo athlete. Winter or regardless. Good luck throwing on ice. There are many reasons to do Judo, but self defense, not really. Fun fact, theres some University in the UK that partnered recently with elderly homes to teach breakfalls to prevent accidents from falls for elderly people. Some things that are actually good from Judo for MMA to varying success: - If you dont neglect the ground game, and want to win there, you're forced to go scramble as fast as fuck, since the bums running IJF will give you a penalty if you dont choke him out instantly or even pause. Yes, MMA has no Gi, but its a stylistically good thing that Judo has... besides the turtle position... - It is adaptable to No Gi. Satoshi Iishi judo champion, has been the reigning No Gi champion in Croatia or somewhere in europe for a lonnnng time, but only after switching to No Gi long after retirement. Also, look up the Masaahiko Kimura wiki and you'll find out about the Gracie VS Kimura superfight. If nothing else, its a fun read and was one of the firdt superfights ever. But it does show the contrast between BJJ then and Judo then, although Helio called out Kimura who had maybe 20-40lbs more than Gracie. - Unfortunately, judo styles are inconsistent for crossover to MMA. A judo tactician who relies on the Gi is going to be worse than a Georgian style judoka who just comes close, wraps aroung the waist and launches him into space... that's the type of judoka I'd send to a street fight. They'd call that guy neck breaker on Fox the next morning. - It is similar to European wrestling in a weird way. American wrestling has little emphasis on using your feet as hands, unlike European wrestling and Judo. - Judo is more than the sport. Asides from the atemi waza BS striking judo has, and the kata, the Do in Judo means something along the lines of the way, to perform actions with minimum effort and maximum efficiency. So even if you think its a shit art for MMA, it is definitely one of the definitive martial arts. As someone who's done judo for maybe 5 years I'd say judo is above karate, and behind sambo, wrestling, nogi and pretty much all the regular striking sports for MMA. But man Judo as a sport is fcking awesome, and the history too man.

Hey man great video however there are a few things you forgot or didn't know, that i think are really important. 1) the gi actively represents a open jacked and even when it's closed you can grip it at the collar. 2) no gi is also a part of judo when you practice it. Yes it is more like wrestling but you can still apply most techniques. 3) successful judoka don't have a reason to compete in mma because they have an Olympic sport. 4) while leggraps are a very good way to take someone down, a judoka can just control you when he has a good grip on you (also no gi) or just throws you. Seen it happen multiple times now. 5) judo is not to only work the ground or only take down. It is about the transition from standing to groumd position while having the advantage. Takedowns and groundwork go hand in hand and you cannot argue judo is bad in the ground by showing only few examples of cases that support your few. There are plenty judoka who are fantastic at groundwork and when throwing someone already have their armbar or choke ready before you have recovered from the shock of being thrown. 6) judo is also called the gentle way because it aims to defeat whitout injury. That is why they banned leg graps and other techniques. It is also the reason judoka do mastly not do good in mma. It is not aimed to hurt and a real judoka who lives by the way jigero kano set, will not hurt you unless it is to defend himself, others or their possessions. Hope this helps to understand some aspects of thsi video better and maybe there is something you didn't know yet.

Interesting video: I have one question: have you seen any of the videos judokas participating in freestyle wrestling competitions? It's interesting because the main takeaway seems to be that: the predominance of throws provides somewhat of an advantage, when applied properly, in a system where points are awarded for pinning the shoulders. This might testify to a hole in freestyle wrestling in that though throws are taught, freestyle wrestlers aren't incentivised to throw but rather to go for takedowns exclusively (being low risk, high reward). A good hip throw, arm throw etc. transitioned to a pin (half-nelson) is a good guarantee to a get points. This might provide somewhat of a setback for freestyle: basically what I'm saying is freestyle might benefit from practicing throws more, to complement takedowns and groundwork (I've almost never seen freestyle wrestlers throw in most footage).

Bjs is the most overrated. Look at how they just lay down on the ground in the middle of the fight. Furthermore in the streets u just have to slam a person once on concret to win. I am muay thai but Judo is probably the best together with boxing.

I would like to add another thing. Even if you end the fight by "hitting them with the earth" and cracking their neck or something, that is actually WORSE! now you will face jail time for murder charges just for having thrown some drunk bum. With other grappling styles you can choose to subdue and control them. With judo... you either flipped them and they died, or you flipped them and they got back up and continued fighting. I must say, I have fought some judoka in bjj, and they are often tough as nails.

3:34 You think Judo sucks on the streets until a Judoka closes distance and throws someone onto the pavement and he whiplashes his skull then its over for the average dude.... and then there are chokes, arm bar's, wrist locks...sure, sure friend....you really dont what you are talking about.

In my case, up here in the frozen north, we wear hoodies/jackets/heavy winter jackets about half of the year. Lapel grabs in my mind are a fantasy, sleeve grabs on the other hand...

Better than BJJ lol. At least in Judo you don't flop on your back like an overturned turtle.

I went to Dennys and you weren’t there, that’s reasonable I watched like 3 Judo tournaments on KZfaq before I left so you wouldn’t have stood a chance 😂

I just realized that this is my favorite YT channel.

A well argued and hilarious video (the disclaimers were great). I read somewhere years ago about bjj being referred to as pre WWII judo, with a more robust and effective control /submission system. I suspect that the modern disconnect of sport judo vs it's predecessor in samurai jujutsu is to blame. The context of throwing an armored man (while wearing armor yourself) and then quickly dispatching them with weapons is sensible on a medieval Japanese battlefield, but not so much against skilled modern fighters with versatile striking/grappling backgrounds.

Judo > butt scooting BJJ

Owen livsey just won the catch wrestling world championship.. he is not a catch wrestler.. he's primarily a judoka... And he did it with a foot sweep.

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Question for you, if you've already graduated college and have no opportunity to learn wrestling in your area, but there are judo, BJJ, and MMA gyms, do you think a couple months of Judo is worth it at all to get your takedowns better for MMA?

1:30 to 1:33 he really wanted to say that joke but he never find the perfect opportunity until now XD

Watching this hurt a lot Probably proves the point :/

Jason Morris and a few others are judoka that balled out in NCAA wrestling. Supposedly he never took a shot in college. Interesting stuff.

So how long have you trained in Judo and how many tournaments have you been in?

On hip throws in MMA, they only really ever happen when up against the wall because literally all you need to do to avoid them is get your hips back. Without clothes to grab on to, it’s pretty hard to toss someone who knows you’re trying to do it. On the wall, there isn’t really room to get that space between the two fighters’ hips. It’s good to know how to do, but super niche and risks giving up your back.

You've raised some interesting, valid points in your video. I'd love to see a discussion between you and Chadi or Shintaro Higashi on the subject. That said, I think Judo is a good complementary martial art to BJJ - especially if you don't have the option of doing wrestling or sambo in your area.

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