Judo throws and their Jujutsu origins (Tenjin Shinyo ryu & Kito ryu)

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Chadi

Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

This video details some of the throws in Kodokan Judo, and trace their roots back to their Jujutsu ancestry, and discuss the importance of Kata (forms)
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@Woulfe204
@Woulfe204 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, Chadi. I, myself, study a form of Traditional Ju-Jitsu. In regards to the Otoshi vs Seoi Nage, there is a term called Koshi Nage, which is the generic hip throw and can be applied to any of the various hip throws like O Goshi and Ippon Seoi Nage. The main point is they are using the hip as the leverage, as your were describing. Otoshi, to me, is to drop. Those are the main differences. Thanks for this video, I've learned a lot already.
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for listening
@brianfarrelhulu3345
@brianfarrelhulu3345 2 жыл бұрын
oss, greetings from Indonesia. I'm currently a black belt/shodan I in jujitsu kito ryu Japan. thanks
@matthewhanchard
@matthewhanchard 2 жыл бұрын
Love this, thank you for making it.
@highchamp1
@highchamp1 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent I have not seen a video comparing multiple Koryu throws with Judo throws. Ahh Technology!
@rustyshackleford735
@rustyshackleford735 3 жыл бұрын
If you're not already subscribed and familiar chadi's channel you should get on board. It's a great channel with great history, comparisons, and technique breakdowns.
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
We should learn the roots, technology is a great tool
@johnashforth6096
@johnashforth6096 3 жыл бұрын
Great video I really enjoyed it
@rustyshackleford735
@rustyshackleford735 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, with great details.
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you i truly appreciate it
@3liyyahu591
@3liyyahu591 9 ай бұрын
The way the kodokan describes it is if you lift the uke's hips before throwing them down then it's a nage. If you pull them down then it's otoshi
@junheceta268
@junheceta268 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent historical information, thank you. 🥋🙏
@ap2372
@ap2372 3 жыл бұрын
Chadi you have amazing videos!
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Andrei
@beskeptic
@beskeptic 3 жыл бұрын
Very good! Lesson learned!
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Kleydson
@eagle162
@eagle162 3 жыл бұрын
Good video man, also you got to start blocking people who keep leaving spam on your comment section.
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you man
@AaronHai
@AaronHai 3 жыл бұрын
Can we do a video on the best restraining techniques, like alternatives to chokes , like more neck cranks , telephone arm locks etc?))
@AaronHai
@AaronHai 3 жыл бұрын
I'm currently enjoying Mike Swain's Judo instructionals, still looking for more CACC & Dumog instructionals, not too many around sadly. Perhaps u can help raise the awareness;))
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
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@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
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@williamzayas8769
@williamzayas8769 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Chadi!!! Wondering if you have ever heard of or have any information on Sensei Segotoshi Morita. He taught judo/jiujitsu in Cuba in the 50's and 60's etc. I believe he was teaching a combination of these two styles. Thank you.
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
I'll look him up
@williamzayas8769
@williamzayas8769 3 жыл бұрын
@@Chadi thanks brother. Love your channel been going down the Judo/Jiujitsi rabbit hole since 1981 My dad study with Morita in Cuba he's 87 now. Was awarded a bb in 68 so obviously he put me in Judo as a child. When I come home to show him what I had learned it was diff than what he learned although very similar alot more joint manipulations while standing etc. Pretty violent stuff. I come to find out it was a blend of these two styles. I found one of Moritas younger students in Drysdale gym that still teaches it and had it recognized AJJF. I will post the logo so u can see. Very cool stuff thanks for sharing the videos by far the most truthful things I've seen on the web. OSS!!!
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
@@williamzayas8769 oss🙇🏻‍♂️
@MagickArmory
@MagickArmory 3 жыл бұрын
Wow there was actually someone that hit "thumbs down/ dislike " on this video. Well not everyone can be intelligent i guess 🤷 lol
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
Hahaha they are free to like or dislike
@aegisdefense1130
@aegisdefense1130 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video. I teach all of these techniques. In the seoi otoshi dropping down to both knees requires exceptional skill as opposed to one knee (which requires a skill of its own). This is important to note the difference because dropping down to two knees on a hard pavement with a heavy opponent ( no weight classes in self defense) can actually damage the knees as opposed when it is done on the mat. Hence the one knee is more of 'self defence' especially from the aspect of regaining control over multiple opponents being able to stand up again in one continues movement, although dropping to two knees does look spectacular and is in my view closer to a sacrifice throw. The sacrifice throws are just that 'sacrifice' one's position to gain some advantage again in defence mode not sport. All movements require at least a minimum level of creating a dynamic motion when from a static position otherwise they don't work. The more the dynamic motion the more ' Aiki' . I remember the late Takagi 's Sensei young son performing variations of uke otoshi in Aiki 'do' mode dropping an adult of course in dynamic mode. Also one can add the outer spin in a tenkan mode.
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@simonericci9903
@simonericci9903 3 жыл бұрын
Eternal youth as video's music is simply marvelous 😍👍👌
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
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@johnpaul8403
@johnpaul8403 3 жыл бұрын
Chadi brother plz do vid on mukna ancient wrestling style and malakhro ancient wrestling style both originated in South Asia it's our traditional sport plz do vid
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
I'll add it to the list
@johnpaul8403
@johnpaul8403 3 жыл бұрын
@@Chadi thank you Bhai ji Jai Shri ram thanks for inspiring us to never give up 🤼💪
@waterhead1359
@waterhead1359 3 жыл бұрын
4:14 what's the white and red symbol top left I received one in jujitsu years ago honor and blood can you explain more thank you
@aressp
@aressp 3 жыл бұрын
"Judo Training Methods by Takahiko Ishikawa and Donn F. Draeger": The standard emblem of the Kodokan is an 8 petaled flower of the cherry tree. It was adopted by feudal Samurai because the flower is detached from the branch at the apogee of its beauty in order to die. It symbolizes a degree of maturity within the individual which is summarized by the expression, “Strong within, but gentle without.” The fire red color of the center of the emblem indicates the “fire” or “ardor” of the individual. The spirit of the Kodokan combines the strength of iron forged to red heat inside the silk, supple, and white flower. This is symbolic of the union of body strength and resistant suppleness and flexibility of the pure spirit developed by the Judo exponent of black belt grade. It is a sign of personal attainment.
@NYTomiki
@NYTomiki Жыл бұрын
Some more Kito Ryu and Tenjin Shiyo Ryu inspired techniques. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qeCApMKbvtS9nJ8.html & kzfaq.info/get/bejne/opZ2haqWr8_cc58.html
@kristianOLS
@kristianOLS 3 жыл бұрын
Have you done the nage no kata? The one you call a version of yoko wakare to me looks like a jujutsu form of the ura nage done in the nage no kata
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
I'd say it's different
@bagelpap
@bagelpap 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thanks for the upload. I was only wondering why you keep saying Ten S hin and not Ten J in Shinyo ryu. I believe both exist as ryu but are different. Still, I am not 100% sure if this is true because in the martial arts literature both names are used indifferently. In any case Kano shihan studied the Ten J in Shinyo ryu.
@aressp
@aressp 3 жыл бұрын
Good comment. TenShin is used oftently but tenjin is more right. But in anycase it is not the end of the world. Even tenjin shinyo members might right "tenshin" sometimes.
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
You're right it's a habit and it rolls off as tenshin i should not do that
@aressp
@aressp 3 жыл бұрын
4:26 is a sutemi waza indeed. In TSR it is called... "Sutemi". Concerning kuzushi I have some disagreements but anyway.
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
Kito ryu has a lot of kuzushi, and according to writings it influenced judo quite a lot, but if tsr has it too i won't be surprised
@aressp
@aressp 3 жыл бұрын
@@Chadi I still don’t know many things so please always double-check what I am writing. In my opinion the surprise will be to find a koryu that does not practice kuzushi, not the opposite. For example, if you have the old text and you can recognize the "Sutemi" technique, kuzushi is mentioned in the description of the kata within the parenthesis. In a free translation the text says something like the following: "Drop to your knee and pull a bit with one hand while pushing with the other, in order to disrupt (kuzushi) the opponent’s body". If you cannot see the kuzushi in the kata, most probably is due to poor performance. My intention is not to claim that TSR is perfect (it is not and it is outdated) but to show that a developed concept of kuzushi exists within the school. I would guess that Kito Ryu studied the matter even deeper.
@daxmafesi
@daxmafesi 3 жыл бұрын
100 !
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
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@iamthatiam49
@iamthatiam49 3 жыл бұрын
People don't understand that Yoko wakare is VERY nasty. In the dojo we know how to fall out of it. But in the street, the legs are cut off and the person will fall flat on their face.
@fennec812
@fennec812 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, a smaller guy myself, I’ve always loved yoko wakare. I’d agree that fudging it puts you in a really disadvantageous position, but it’s a wonderful throw against more aggressive opponents in my experience. I feel like a lot of the “this would never work” comments on the internet, though, really boil down to “I don’t see that in the majority of UFC matches, so it must be fake/never work.” Everyone is an expert, I guess.
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
Indeed
@YatjahOccultu-
@YatjahOccultu- 8 ай бұрын
Esse estilo antigo é muito longe do jiu-jitsu e judô de hoje. Sinceramente, em alguma parte da história ocorreu sim uma mistura com artes marciais chinesas devido o de hoje ser mais fluído e muito mais próximo das artes marciais chinesas
@medhasni6432
@medhasni6432 3 жыл бұрын
Yo Chadi, when the japanese wanted to choose the martial art for the police between judo and jujutsu, what was the reason that made judo wins almost every fight?
@rustyshackleford735
@rustyshackleford735 3 жыл бұрын
He's got a great video on that already
@medhasni6432
@medhasni6432 3 жыл бұрын
@@rustyshackleford735 yea i remeber that i just wonder what made judo superior to jujutsu?
@Chadi
@Chadi 3 жыл бұрын
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