The saddest part about current fans is that they like 60fps 4K TikTok edits of anime but as soon as there’s smudge frames and anything off-model it’s considered “bad”

The ability of anime fans to spew out hilariously stupid takes with total confidence is always fascinating. They’d ace interviews if they were capable of actual human interaction.

this is a big problem. so many anime fans just see shiny character art and think it looks better. same thing happened with ruroni kenshin

Everyone saw one KZfaq video and now they're expert animators. Lol Great stuff as always Mr. Relics

Tbh, i really love jjk s2 animation a lot. It show the dynamic of the fight and creativity of the animator.

The worst part is that modern TVs have their damn frame interpolation set to "on" by default! It's not like "unwanted favor" has become a dead phrase already.

Going to Instagram for decent animation takes is like going to a landfill for a good meal. Wild. Good video tho

I think there are many aspects that make an anime good or bad that are thrown into the "bad animation" conversation when they aren't relevant. "One Piece's pacing sucks so therefore the animation is bad" "The characters look so ass in this still frame therefore they didn't pay their animators" "The character designs are so flat with no detail, this animation is bad" Are they relevant to the conversation about a good or bad show? sure. Does it mean the animation is bad? Not necessarily.

Thank you for putting out something so lighthearted and sincere while still giving some good insight into how things work that most people don't think about

ive never understood the naruto vs pain fight being so lowly regarded as "bad animation" ive always loved it. sure when u freeze it frame by frame it looks weird, but the animation in and of itself looked great. any scene where the character's face was particularly to be focused on was drawn good. people nowadays have no idea what animation even is

The day people recognise good animation apart from action is the day i die happy - some poor guy

Only truth being spoken here, as a fellow animator this is welcome to see. You have a keen eye for breaking down animation and it's always fun to listen to your highlights of specific animators.

People give bad takes like this so much attention and then wonder why people continue to have bad takes.

Saying jujutsu kaisen season 2 has Bad animation is a hot take, I even think character drawing was better than season 1

The twitter and insta comments i see about Chainsaw Man are maddening. It's really awful how much abuse the director of season 1 got online. Hoping he comes back for season 2

Honestly Instagram never ceases to amaze me with the amount of ignorant comments you’ll find there lol. I really wish people would learn more about the processes of the art they consume before commenting on stuff they don’t know about, but that’s probably just wishful thinking

both rotoscoping and cg can look really great and add to the animation! anime fans see these techniques and immediantly equate them to lazyness. which it can be if youre reliant on them but when used properally, as tools. they can give you reallly cool looking shit

I’m convinced some people watched jjk season 2 with their eyes closed and the second there’s a odd scene or a change in style they are suddenly an animation expert. Also people love to use it as amo to hate jjk like when the anime of the year awards happened last week people who have not seen the show where echoing the “art and animation was trash, (insert other anime) was better we where robbed” Also I feel like some people got into the show for the wrong reasons then complain that it’s a shonen “there’s to many fights” “it’s just nonstop action” “everyone dies”

recently started watching you and always super impressed by your knowledge and passion for animation. really cool to see someone talk about this stuff and actually feel like they know what they’re talking about

You know I be waiting for your videos to drop! Stop depriving me! Thanks for the great content!

This happens any time a medium expands as much as anime has. The majority of fans go from trying to understand the process and minutia from regurgitating what everyone else is echoing to make their opinions heard, bad take or not. The most I can say is that the animation wasn't consistent, not by quality, but stylistic choice. But that is just evidence that there are still humans working at the studio. I do value consistency, but the first Choso (public restroom) and Toji fights were enough to separate JJK2 from any shounen produced in the last 5 years.

I hate all of those takes from people that don't know how hard it is to do animation for a hole episode in your average anime episode there is almost three thousand frames I just hate people like that

The worst animation takes are _always_ anime fans. Dunno how it's possible to be so wrong about something you've spent countless hours consuming.

I genuenely lose brain cells when I see these types of comments about S2 animation. Sure S1 of JJK probably had its advantages in pure choreography because Sung-Hoo Park was the director and he is a god at choreography, but S2 has vastly superior overall direction. It's isn't close. Just look at episode 1 or 5 of Hidden Inventory. It can be so much more creative due to a the more simplified character designs. I also think the special effects and compositing are much improved as well as the backgrounds. It has a ton of 2D background animation which is crazy comex and time consuming instead of the lets be honest quite bad 3D backgrounds of S1.

I tend to stay off social media in general related to this stuff. I cannot imagine the mental exhaustion reading Instagram anime opinions would have on me. OPM released a new trailer a few days back and the internet kids' reactions were...not pleasant. Perhaps not very surprising yet a little surprising at the same time, these people are common in real life too. I watched a few Pain vs Naruto episodes with a good friend a while back and he really said "the animation is so bad." Stuff that makes you go "wow people really say that unironically." Off topic but I noticed you're getting better at pronouncing these Japanese names haha, good job man

Some people actually hate deformed and exaggerated movements of the characters cuz it seems ugly for them. 😂 That's why Pain's exaggerated face is the number one example and used as an insult as "bad animation".

Lol, if these idiots think Daniel Kim or Fujimoto's works are CG or rotoscoped then Koh Yoshinari and Hiroyuki Okiura will probably melt their brains. Also does anyone remember people calling Ohira's cut on One Piece made by AI? Ah tourists, what would we do without them?

I will admit, I’m not particularly always a fan of that overly realistic style of animating movement but just calling it bad animation,or "lazy rotoscoping" to then give a poor response on how you feel about said animation, you describe as bad is probably one of the most tone death things a person could do and that’s saying a lot. God, it’s like the anime equivalent of the Cal Art style complaint that is really just a cheap excuse for people to act like they know about animation

I don't mind if you make this a series lol. Cus it's just annoying to see people suddenly became an "expert" of something just because they don't like that specific something.

The MAPPA staff has been facing a lot of pressure making JJK S2 because of that studios poor management. So for some of groups of people to say their animations are "bad" despite the work the staff put in just adds another layer of disrespect and ignorance of the industry.

MANNNN THANK YOU FOR THIS !!!!

of course the haters are from instagram that place is a hellhole 😭

I think that it’s just a difference of values in anime. I just think that anime generally was “cheap animation” where their limitations bred a lot of creativity in the type of shots used to make it look visually interesting, and which tended to look very consistent. So I think that anime fans value consistency over animation which has created this divide in the general community. I kinda value it as well, because although the Pain fight is well animated, it just didn’t feel like it fit Naruto. But people really need to stop calling it bad animation.

i don’t know shit about animation, like in the slightest. but it’s so annoying see other ppl who obviously don’t know what they’re talking trying to and reason why something is bad. when it really can just boil down to “i don’t like it” the pain and naruto fight is amazing. at least in my opinion. one of my favorite fights of all time. and all ppl do is clown on it.

I heard a lot about the JJK 2 quality being very lower than the 1st. But I saw it and didn't find it bad in any way. Anime community can be a lot stupid sometimes

Good to have you back!

What about "I think this looks cool so I wanna draw it like that" is plagiarism? Also, it takes effort and some know how to make rotoscoping look good. It's a tool like any other.

I'm sorry you had to see Instagram/TikTok comments that talk about animation. Personally, I don't do it because I want to take care of my mental health.

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Welcome back goat

Yes. Thank you! Finally, a viewer with some sense. O_O

a bit unrelated but on the topic of social media retardation, something i find very corny by anime fans is when an artist publishes an animation or even something like an edit and fans comment " dont let mappa find bro". or "hide bro from mappa". like do they think mappa is going to show up at these peoples houses and kidnap them?

mappa is just taking on way too much. I need them to just do one at a time

Man it’s funny how stupid people can be. Thanks for the great video as always

If I'll say something a bit controversial. I'm honestly not the biggest fan of this latest obsession by both animators and sakuga fans with big flashy Kanada-style fight scenes that look sped up. I'm not dumb enough to say it's bad animation, but a part of me misses the days when I could actually tell what was going on in a shounen fight.

I just cannot physically understand the hate for JJK's animation in its second season. I can understand the dislike of its story, of its characters, the incoherence of certain fight scenes, hell maybe, just maybe the art direction. But the animation? If the goal is to be smooth and communicate the illusion of movement, they did it. Shit, they'll diss on this kind of animation but be silent about One Piece or Mashle or any other popular anime at the moment. Sounds to me like people just wanna be contrarians and dislike JJK for being popular. You can tell these people have never dedicated time to a craft in their lives.

Its always on instagram. Its the same people who think DB faces all look the same.

The bar for animations is so high that if it's not perfect in considered bad.

Thank you for your good work boss, dont stop calling these guys out lol

I wouldn’t even say that JJK 2 looks less detailed than 1, the shading is at it’s best because it describes form a lot better than the first, it’s incredible and it requires a lot of knowledge on how light refracts and where it doesn’t appear. The compositing is amazing as well because it tries to be a lot more cinematic with different colored lighting that fits the mood of the scene, the best of both worlds

Reminds me of when people saw one video about a bad animation from Mortal Kombat X and never stopped referencing said video anytime Mortal Kombat is mentioned

If we just create a space for people who can enjoy all styles of anime and not put down amazing animation we would be good

great video

I just think anime fans should stop trying to cook when they don’t know how animation works, would do the fandom a huge favor if they learnt what certain terms means before they say them.

Tbh, mappa did a great job in season two... despite others liking shiny characters like how they had more shine in season 1, season 2 clearness actually seemed better... besides, if it was about animation, then why didn't jjk season 1 win any animation awards but jjk season 2 did... with best character design and best cinematography...

Thank you for this

There's no group of people more ignorant about the animation process than anime fans.

Season 1 looked wayyy better for me. I know the compositing wasnt good in season 1 but still. I loved the fast movement in S2 but I found myself wishing it was looking more like Season 1. If we could somehow combine season 1 character design and art with the flow style of s2 that would be perfect. I do enjoy the whole naruto vs pain style animation but it needs to be more detailed that they did with this season or it can look a tad sloppy(for lack of a better word). I loved the season and appreciate the hard work MAPPA did with such short time and so may overwhelmed people though. I just need season 3 to look more a lil more crisp 🙏🏽.

People don’t realize the animation isn’t bad, it just could have been better. The problem is that the animators are in mappas dungeons being fed only a bread crumb and being forced to work 25 hours a day, I bet there where lots of uncut animations that couldn’t make it in just because of how little time they work working with, and the fact people think it’s rotoscoping is dumb asf, why are people LOOKING for things to “criticize”(trash on) which aren’t even bad??? As an animator myself i find it heavily disrespectful for people to call animation bad cause I’d like to see them animate a whole jjk episode themselves. anyways just remember: animation is hard no matter who you are and you shouldn’t be a dick to artists just because you can’t do what they do.

Can you do an animation breakdown of Birdy The Mighty? Always wondered who the people behind it is seeing how this (relatively) unknown series has such god tier animation

Holy shit, some people can't help but just sound miserable T.T Sucks how many people believe they have the right or knowledge to criticize animation techniques of animators/artists. All of these comments can be pretty discouraging or intimidating for unconfident artists.

Yeah, i am not a big fan of this seasons art style but the animation was phenomenal.

thank you for crediting every clip you show

5:45 that cut was perfect

Wait, people actually had complaints about the references??? I thought it was just really cool to see.

I'm a late comer to JJK and just finished watching both S1 and S2 over the last 2 week. After finishing S2 I was just flabbergasted by the amount of work that must have went in to animating most of those episodes. Then I find TONS of posts bashing the animation saying it's flat out bad. I get it, people can have opinions, but when the opinions are unfounded it starts to piss me off. If they had said they didn't like the stylistic choices, fine, but calling it bad? Sorry, that's not an opinion, that's just you being wrong and dumb.

I went through a KZfaq short comment section rabbit hole recently, god the animation takes are reaching new levels... One big one I've seen recently, is that 2D animation gets better over the years due to "budget", "technology" and "tools". End my suffering, please :)

i think the main problem is consistency, when the artstyle in anime changes in an instant it is very noticeable and people might have prefer how it looked before. The animations are good but it doesn't feel like it fits very well with season 1

The question is, how will MAPPA top season 2 animation and the shibuya arc with season 3? Culling game will be huge, give the animators like 3 years this time 💀

I can't believe people hate JJK for such shallow reasons. I hate JJK cause virtually everyone I loved or even remotely liked is dead. WTF Gege? Too real, I view to escape. 😂😂😂

I've been a hardcore anime watcher since 2017, I probably watch between 10-20 Animes a year. JJK season two is literally the best animation I've seen out of any one Anime season. The episode of Sukuna fighting that big white thing was actually insane, it felt like a movie. People who complain about the animation being better in season 1 are noobs who dont watch much anime.

whats the name of that spring yard zone remix its so beautiful

Thank you for educating the unwashed masses, including me 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

Calling your 2d animation "CG" IMO is the biggest praise. Animation is all about the deception of movement, you not only made them thing that your art moves but it moves so well that it is 3-dimensional. Unironically, the Chainsawman S1 takes over animation almost made me quit life

Man, these people must either be new anime fans, or the EXACT same Naruto fans who complained about the Naruto vs Pain fight about 15 years ago and have learned absolutely nothing 💀

*flashbacks from people shitting on One Piece Movie 6 animation pausing*

The fight like your dream when you sick 😂😂

Cook those fraud. Glad having you back

great video, any anime is better than my drawlings lol.

I don't like fast and flashy move sets, but Toji vs Dagon WAS NOT THAT 😂

Its been awhile since I've seen Fooly Cooly referenced. That anime was ahead of it's time. Shame the original was canceled so fast. The continuations after the original were trash. But the original was fire.

All this just goes to show anime “fans” would rather get detailed art with choppy animation than simpler art but fluid animation. Hell theyd still complain the anime is choppy

Note:"If someone makes some stupid comments saying things like bad animation, just ask them................ AND WHAT CAN YOU DRAW!!" 🤦

6:03 at first glance i thought that scene was cgi, but then i stared that same scene for 2-3 min, after that i realized that how well that scene was truly a magnificent work from mappa

Remember waiting every Friday for Naruto to drop 8pm on ma blurry ahh tv only picking up like 40fps at most as a kid anime fans now of days don’t know how good they have it fr

the only problem i saw with the new season was pacing of fights

i miss sunghoo park in jjk s2

Every single time I saw someone attacking season 2 I was going "What's wrong with you?" It had some subpar animation moments no doubt but by god people. Try animating ONE second even close to some of the stuff you're criticizing and then give your "hot take" that's gone full charcoal at this point.

The sheer gray matter withering of anime fans after Flowers of Evil's rotoscoping

Love the memes and cursed images, always add a touch of magic to your video, gr8 work 🫰

Yes, when they complain about animation, they actually mean the lack of polish and of shading detail and other stuff. But I kind of get it. I like both styles, but if I had to choose I would say I prefer season 1. I also feel some people prefer more grounded action than over the top hard to follow idiosyncratic sakuga. Which is fine. Yes, animation is the movement, but animation is also how we call the final product as a whole. So it's understandable when people say they don't like the animation. To call it bad though is a big mistake. It is normal to expect lay people to complain about those things. When I watched with my wife she also said the animation was much worse than season one. And I got what she meant, even though I was vibing with the sakuga, I know not everyone can get a rougher style. And some sequences where really laid out without inbetween at all. Some we had to pause a lot just to get what was going on in the action. She also said when watching the forth season of attack on titan "wow, this is so much more fluid" and thought they improved the frame rate, but in fact it was the reverse, they adopted some kanada style sprinkled here and there, with less frames that fit better into one another. Great video, great analysis. Very well explained and broken down to educate people. Valuable resource.

before I was an animator, I was one of them. after I became an animator, these stupid people are giving me a headache thx for the video. btw if someone says "the animation looks like naruto vs pain", it's a compliment cuz that fight has a crazy animation

man I swear people will ALWAYS find a way to hate on something like I personally thought season 2 was ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!! obviously I had some personal opinions of my own too but people going out of there way to call THE ENTIRE 2ND HALF of the season bad… is just absolutely absurd bruh

4:16 he meant the second half of season 2, not season 2 as a whole even so its still kindof a bad take so 🤷‍♂️

U guys just don’t want others to dislike the series for sudden season 2 style change but u gotta admit the fight scene is not greatly directed by the new director Shota so that Mappa know what to improve instead of brainwashing yourself and gaslighting other new audiences😅. The background story is that basically same as a normal movie or tv drama, a director is the key to everything in anime world. Sunghoo Park is the season one director which made brilliant animated fights and character designs. Unfortunately he left Mappa to work his own studio and directed the new Ninja Kamui whoever have watched it can tell the fight scene there is still top level and that’s why he’s the man. I hate when ppl is afraid of bad opinions and start attacking the predecessor who initiated a masterpiece and didn’t get the enough recognition they deserved! And guess what the fantastic season 2 OP Specialz is directed instead by another director Yuki not Shota😅.

This feels cherry picked af. While in the crab man’s domain, it was really bad until toji shows up, that whole episode felt really choppy. Tbf that was the worst of it. I think what most people are referring to is the amount of missing frames in the animation due to the time constraints. If you pay attention really closely sure you can tell how well the movements of everyone’s body in the fights are drawn, but it feels like I’m watching a powerpoint sometimes. Of course some fights got more polish, overall it just feels inconsistent with not a ton of great moments.

I think there’s only like 3 rotoscope scenes, megumi, yuji, mahito getting cut

Naobito was def spitting facts now that people are doing some takes on JJK's animation

I hate anime fans for seeing nonsense without having zero idea about the effort going behind each second of an episode.

this is one of the main reason Anime should stay in Japan